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12 sec full weight daily driver WO0T!

went to the subaru test and tune today and had an excellent day. Car was consistent as hell, even with the heat after the morning, the hotter it got, the higher it trapped!

So basically since im on a ****ty computer and i dont feel like typing ill break it down simple. I beleive Jack witnessed these runs.

12.801@105.9 1.94 60 ft. 8.2@84 1/8 mile, run felt like ****, i was in reverse when the tree came down so i just floored it in 1st and dumped it hahaha got treed so hard by the guy in the next lane.

Got right back up in line.

12.813@106 1.89 60 ft 8.2@83.5 1/8 mile.

Then got some food, went back for a run, got some SICK wheelspin and went

13.001@108.1 1.95 60 ft.

i know the first thing you guys are going to say is the 60 ft, yeah they are junk, i cut plenty of 1.81-1.82s with missed 2nd gears to a tune of 13.2@106 about 2-3 times. My best timeslip ever is the 13.3@85 i have, Possibly Could have been another 12 pass, 1.82 60 ft, no missed gears, but at the top of 3rd i got a small knock event and i let off and got on the brakes out of instinct.

Car weighed 3440 with me in it on my 18" wheels nothing removed for the runs full tank of gas

mods are:

3" catted full exhaust
cobb reflash tuned @ 17 psi (but running 15 with the humidity today and still did good ***)
POS STi stock turbo

everything else is Bone biggidy stock down to the air filter and clutch, i am very happy with my car.

sick sick time exeter subaru had wrx/forester xt/legacy gt that anyone could come over and race. I took a 05 WRX with 30 miles on it and ran it to a 14.5@92 haha that was like the best beating on someone elses car. Time was pretty good too for a bogged launch. Beat some modded yellow wrx wagon with exhaust in that run too I then took out the forester xt, ran 14.6@93, and treed the **** out of the f1 dyno sti hahaha.

oh and i won a $300 blow off valve in the $1 raffle

and was this on a WRX, or the STi that was running towards the end of the day ?

white WRX.

oh, woops. my bad. Good Job dude.

Nice to see you got things sorted out.
Nice times. The Exeter day is great you get more runs in in one day than you would going to every street night they have.

TMS

yeah mark we put the wastegate hose on backwards, restrictor pill was facing the wrong side.

so the cobb 2.5 is legit afterall! :D good job! people were telling me that reaching the 12's is impossible with the VF30.

so the cobb 2.5 is legit afterall! :D good job! people were telling me that reaching the 12's is impossible with the VF30.

Take a look it is possible with the stock turbo. :)

TMS

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12.801@105.9 1.94 60 ft. 8.2@84 1/8 mile, run felt like ****, i was in reverse when the tree came down so i just floored it in 1st and dumped it hahaha got treed so hard by the guy in the next lane.



I was the guy who "treed" him although I did get a .508 R/T ;)

Bren that was awesome

glad to see it :)

Wait...so is this on the VF39 or VF30/34? Oh ya and what kind of tires are you using?

vf34, falken ziex 512 18s

so this would be yet another car that is signifigantly faster than teh 500whp dyno queer..err queen?

108 trap dave, *** kind of hp is that?

108 trap dave, *** kind of hp is that?

that is typical of the "300whp" cars. So I would say, you can very safely claim 270-280 with no problem. 260 on a heartbreaker dyno

Nice to see you got things sorted out.
Nice times. The Exeter day is great you get more runs in in one day than you would going to every street night they have.

TMS
Yeah, sometimes that's a bad thing.;)

Yeah, sometimes that's a bad thing.;)

You need something like a stock civic so you won't break it. :lol:

TMS

so the cobb 2.5 is legit afterall! :D good job! people were telling me that reaching the 12's is impossible with the VF30.

Those people are morons.
Phil from element ran 11.8 on a VF30
I have seen an of the shelf stock tmic vishnu ecutec'd VF30 wagon run 12's
Tons of people have run 12's on the VF30. The people telling you its impossible just cant drive worth a damn.

is this really a cobb stage 2.5 though?

or more like a street tuned stage 4?

can't really call it an off the shelf if it's got a custom tune.

imo,
ken

oh and i won a $300 blow off valve in the $1 raffle

^^^ you are a winnAr!!! :banana:
sounds like u had a great day! :)

is this really a cobb stage 2.5 though?

or more like a street tuned stage 4?

can't really call it an off the shelf if it's got a custom tune.

imo,
ken

If you are refering to the "off the shelf" one I am talking about, it wasnt custom tuned.

If Brens, then yeah, thats not "off the shelf"
As soon as the street tuner is loaded and changes are made, you just cannot call it "off the shelf"


In any case, Bren ran great times, especially with the handicap of 18" wheels.
Thumbs up to him :)

people were telling me that reaching the 12's is impossible with the VF30. :lol: Who?

My old VF30 WRX went 12.69 @ 108.01 w/ 1.8X 60ft., and I do not claim to be some sort of "master launcher/shifter/etc".

If you are refering to the "off the shelf" one I am talking about, it wasnt custom tuned.

If Brens, then yeah, thats not "off the shelf"
As soon as the street tuner is loaded and changes are made, you just cannot call it "off the shelf"


In any case, Bren ran great times, especially with the handicap of 18" wheels.
Thumbs up to him :)


i got it tuned, top end power changed but not that much, car ran full weight and such and there are no changes to the cobb stage 2.5 requirements the car uses the 100% stock header/airbox/filter/top mount with no changes. I have a protuner tune, that runs 2 psi (14.8-15) less then the off the shelf map as per cobbs wonderful boost spike and boost cut i would hit on the highway cold nights. Its not stage 4 because i have not changed the top mount and tuned accordingly

Confused.

Your initial post says POS STi turbo. That would be a VF39. Now you are saying it is a VF34. Then we find out you are custom tuned.

I'm not as impressed as I was when I read your initial post.

t

i got it tuned, top end power changed but not that much, car ran full weight and such and there are no changes to the cobb stage 2.5 requirements the car uses the 100% stock header/airbox/filter/top mount with no changes. I have a protuner tune, that runs 2 psi (14.8-15) less then the off the shelf map as per cobbs wonderful boost spike and boost cut i would hit on the highway cold nights. Its not stage 4 because i have not changed the top mount and tuned accordingly

so are you running an uppipe?
do you have pink injectors?

people were telling me that reaching the 12's is impossible with the VF30.

People who can't run 12s on a vf series turbo suck at driving. That is all.

Confused.

Your initial post says POS STi turbo. That would be a VF39. Now you are saying it is a VF34. Then we find out you are custom tuned.

I'm not as impressed as I was when I read your initial post.

t


most people that read know my setup jdm sti vf34.

custom tuned and made 10-12 more whp at peak vs cobb, i doubt 10 whp would kick me out of 12s i am running 2 less psi then the off the shelf map to be safe. VF39 and 34 isnt a huge difference on a 2.0 if any when mildly tuned. I dont care to impress people, but this was done with 1150$ of used parts and such.

Cobb otherwise requires an uppipe for this stage, i run an sti uppipe.

call it whatever you want.

just make sure people know you have a cobb stage 2.5 + a street tuner map.

if you don't think there's a big difference after the custom tune, you sure must be pissed off spending a few hundred on it. you would also have no issue with just taking off the custom map and going back to base stage 2.5. ;)

Cobb otherwise requires an uppipe for this stage, i run an sti uppipe.

actually they don't. they RECOMMEND one, but it's not a requirement.

Nice times for cobb 2.5

call it whatever you want.

just make sure people know you have a cobb stage 2.5 + a street tuner map.

if you don't think there's a big difference after the custom tune, you sure must be pissed off spending a few hundred on it. you would also have no issue with just taking off the custom map and going back to base stage 2.5. ;)

I think he was protuned.

actually they don't. they RECOMMEND one, but it's not a requirement.


they highly RECOMMEND ONE, its otherwise said do it, i dont know anyone running stock uppipe on a upgraded turbo

custom map made an assload of power down low as far as peak power there is a difference but nothing :eek: as the boost went down, and you cant take advantage of it on the stock i/c

fyi i ran 13.2@105.8 missing 2nd on the stock cobb map, take it for what its worth homie

VF22 is also stock STi turbo :rolleyes:

how many stock sti turbos on 2.0s are running 15 psi into the 12s, hmm

I did 14.0 @ 97 in my vf30 :( I did 13.85 in the vf39.

Nice runs Bren. Did you get a race map done as well?

no race map, just straight pump conservative tune at 15 psi. Also have a conservative 17.5 map but i havent loaded it into the car yet.


maybe a race map in the future.

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a184/midgt211/100_0614.jpg
You're not this white rex are you? ... Car #117 for the day? ...

What is a vf30 supose to run? seems pretty slow. Suggestions for better power? Almost tempted to go back to a vf39 custum tune and maybe a aftermarket wastegate spring as I always incountered wastegate fludder.

What is a vf30 supose to run? seems pretty slow. Suggestions for better power? Almost tempted to go back to a vf39 custum tune and maybe a aftermarket wastegate spring as I always incountered wastegate fludder.

With N2O I think TXS went into the high 11's on the VF30.

TMS

how are you measuring boost?

is the map tuned for 15psi or 17psi?

how big of a shot and used when? never used n20 before. not looking to blow my engine.

how are you measuring boost?

is the map tuned for 15psi or 17psi?


via AP and boost gauge, ap says 14.8 boost gauge shows a tick under 15.
The car is tuned for 16 ish, humidity and heat brought the temperature corrected boost down to 15 even when letting cool off between passes. New map is tuned for 17.5 but not on my AP yet

no my white rex is 164# and had a full sti v1 kit and black 18s.

this is it

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v412/brenwrx/wrxy0.jpg

Bren - don't worry about the clowns. Running consistently in the 12s with your mods is impressive any way you slice it. I am currently off the shelf Cobb Stage 2.5 looking for a bit more punch and waiting for Bay Area tuners to get up to speed with ProTuner. If I don't see some good results from around here in the next few months I'll probably drive down to SoCal to get Protuned by Harman.

Jimbo

how big of a shot and used when? never used n20 before. not looking to blow my engine.

Sorry couldn't find anything about the N2O runs.
But here they go 12.5 on the VF30

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=182535

TMS

Bren - don't worry about the clowns. Running consistently in the 12s with your mods is impressive any way you slice it. I am currently off the shelf Cobb Stage 2.5 looking for a bit more punch and waiting for Bay Area tuners to get up to speed with ProTuner. If I don't see some good results from around here in the next few months I'll probably drive down to SoCal to get Protuned by Harman.

Jimbo

nice man, hit me up if you want my map.

angus ran 12.4@108 on vf30 years ago... nothing new.

Im still trying to get over how much faster the WRX's were than the STi's.

Its almost confusing.

~v6

It was crazy how the WRX's were beating up on the Sti's on sunday.

TMS

angus ran 12.4@108 on vf30 years ago... nothing new.

~v6

I seem to be missing the how part when it was so slow the other day.

I seem to be missing the how part when it was so slow the other day.
que?

~v6

It was crazy how the WRX's were beating up on the Sti's on sunday.

TMS

I remember beating up some STi

I think it was blue.....

Bren, Nice job! Must have been that dp. :)

Ray

using what down pipe?
I been thinking about txs dp any thoughts? does that mate up to a 3rd cat?

using what down pipe?
I been thinking about txs dp any thoughts? does that mate up to a 3rd cat?

helix catted, YES CATTED DOWNPIPE trapping 108.

I remember beating up some STi

I think it was blue.....
buuuuuurnnn!!!!

~v6

I trapped 107 on the same day with a catted downpipe and cobb basemap.

that sucks cuz you have a .5 liter headstart among many things!! :lol: :lol:

It was crazy how the WRX's were beating up on the Sti's on sunday.

TMS
I beat up quite a few myself ... Scary part is that I'm only Cobb Stage2, and was only putting down 13.4-13.5's trapping around 100-101mph ... Not bad for a first timer with a little room left for improvement, but real bad for anyone in an STi that I beat since they should be taking me pretty much regardless with what I was running ...
Back on topic though, 12.8@108 is certainly impressive regardless ... Makes me think just a little harder about a vf-34, but I'll probably still go the p&p vf-22 route ...

the vf22 cars were having problems all day long. stis and the wrxs with them


ill take my trusty 34 anyday at 15 psi. Who knows the boost upp'd with a v7 TMIC might yield 110 trap.

I was trapping 103 @14psi all day long. No power mods to speak of really.

TMS

Nice times Bren. You got tuned at TDC right? I've been thinking about doing the same thing. What were the changes you noticed in the custom tune vs. the cobb map? My only problem is I need to figure out if I want to get it tuned now or wait until I have a few more mods.

Jon is very reasonable, he will compensate or tweak for more mods for a very reasonable rate once you get the base tune down. He is great and sends me his own tweaked maps AFTER i have left via email if he thinks something could be improved upon. Meaning he finds new ways to make you more safe conservative power in his FREE TIME. Street tuning is very affordable with him too. I am going to go back to him once the ported header/v7 tmic goes in for mo powah :banana:


The difference between the tunes are night and day, i think my car makes almost 51 more whp then it came in with on cobb base 2.5 map (which i thought was fast to start) The spool up comes in 1200 rpms sooner as well! I actually run less boost. It feels like a totally different car again. Hooray for tuning

custom tuned and made 10-12 more whp at peak vs cobb, i doubt 10 whp would kick me out of 12s i am running 2 less psi then the off the shelf map to be safe.

The difference between the tunes are night and day, i think my car makes almost 51 more whp then it came in with on cobb base 2.5 map (which i thought was fast to start) The spool up comes in 1200 rpms sooner as well! I actually run less boost. It feels like a totally different car again. Hooray for tuning

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KEYWORD AT PEAK

dude, you make me laugh.

in this thread, in one post, when someone points out (rightfully) that you have a custom tune, you backpedal and say it's only worth 10 hp, and that there was no way it made that much of a difference in your ET. i believe the words were "top end power changed but not that much." you minimized the effect that the custom map had on your car so that you could continue to call it a cobb stage 2.5.

fast forward in this same thread, when someone asks you where your custom tune was done, and you wax poetic about how big a difference it made. i believe the words were "night and day."

i find your posts to be highly incongruous and i am sure that i am not alone. as a matter of fact, someone else in this thread pointed out, "I'm not as impressed as I was when I read your initial post."

oh... wait... i know what's going on here. :lol:

you're still trying to come up with stuff to back up your claims in this thread: http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=741396
comparing a bigger turbo of people that have dipped into 12.6-13.0 with no tuning on that cobb map to a stock turbo that pukes and dies on the top end with an overkill intercooler. whatever floats your boat.
i guess you weren't able to dip into the 12.6-13.0 range with no tuning after all, eh?
as another poster stated.. where are the cobb 2.5 numbers? there are plenty of stock turbo numbers about, and the bar is set pretty high.
after amazake went 12.94 @ 104.3 i'd say a utec stage 3 is pretty darned close to a cobb 2.5 after all.
not even compareable
in fact, close enough to your 12.80 @ 105 to compare, despite the fact that you are no longer on a basemap.

pretty shocking stuff, isn't it?

;)

dude, you make me laugh.

in this thread, in one post, when someone points out (rightfully) that you have a custom tune, you backpedal and say it's only worth 10 hp, and that there was no way it made that much of a difference in your ET. i believe the words were "top end power changed but not that much." you minimized the effect that the custom map had on your car so that you could continue to call it a cobb stage 2.5.

fast forward in this same thread, when someone asks you where your custom tune was done, and you wax poetic about how big a difference it made. i believe the words were "night and day."

i find your posts to be highly incongruous and i am sure that i am not alone. as a matter of fact, someone else in this thread pointed out, "I'm not as impressed as I was when I read your initial post."

oh... wait... i know what's going on here. :lol:

you're still trying to come up with stuff to back up your claims in this thread: http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=741396

i guess you weren't able to dip into the 12.6-13.0 range with no tuning after all, eh?

after amazake went 12.94 @ 104.3 i'd say a utec stage 3 is pretty darned close to a cobb 2.5 after all.

in fact, close enough to your 12.80 @ 105 to compare, despite the fact that you are no longer on a basemap.

pretty shocking stuff, isn't it?

;)

your an angry little troll :lol:

i made nearly 100 ft lbs of torque more at 3k over the other map, omg that put me into the 12s I AM NOT BELOW 3K when racing, i simply did not make a ton more power between 5500-7000 at all, like i said 10-15 whp at MOST MOST MOST, under that in my usable below the curve i made a ton. If you want to race 3-4k son ill mess you up. :lol: night and day can mean many things and im not goign WOW SON MAD TOP END, i said night and day the driveability is off the meter, so is the spool up of almost 1200 quicker, if he asked me how is the top end i would say improved and smoother.

and dont compare the stock turbo car to me, he trapped 101-104 with alcohol injection and race gas and 21 psi on the stock turbo tuned very well on a LARGER TOP MOUNT. I went out, had a crappy run and walked back with 108.1 15 psi STOCK INTERCOOLER STOCK AIRBOX/filter full tank o' PUMP GAS with 0 weight reductions. His car was track prepped mine was in street trim. I give him tons of props because the venture he tried was a difficult one and i was VERY happy for him but DO NOT compare it to my car in any way.


Like i said i trapped 106 on the cobb map itself, as have many others. I only got one run with that, ONE and i missed 2nd 13.2@106, many saw it. Yeah Amazake drives better then me, but 108.1 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>

You are just a stock turbo troll, you grip that small ass snail like it owes you money. Lets make a wager, my car with his top mount at 21 psi, alcohol injection/race gas and stripped off all its weight and tuned :lol: :lol: He trapped 101 one time i raced him and said he was cosnsitently in the high 102-103 i consistently went 106-107 on average being a crap driver in fat boy trim and did it without the tune (a 106 pass) so you lose mang give it up :D I am vague previous i admit cuz i dont know what im typing most of the time as i have other things to do

well, there's YOUR button!

have a nice day.

I ran faster than either of you.


So did Angus. And Angus did it with NO custom tuning and an inferior turbo.

bren-

Just be careful how you word things about my car.

Thanks man


chris

bren-

Just be careful how you word things about my car.

Thanks man


chris

i did tip toe on purpose while makign a point, like i said i have no problems, but our cars are polar opposites and are not grounds for comparasion because of many different variables.

I ran faster than either of you.


So did Angus. And Angus did it with NO custom tuning and an inferior turbo.

since when is a vf30 inferior to a 34? omg bearings y0 dont even start dave.

do i have to bring up how my 15 psi vf34 out trapped the vf22 monsta omg 1000x dave posts about vf22 ownage.

Nice runs Bren! Too bad Im all the way down here in Jersey or else I would have shown up and worked on my 1/4 mile driving :D

since when is a vf30 inferior to a 34? omg bearings y0 dont even start dave.

do i have to bring up how my 15 psi vf34 out trapped the vf22 monsta omg 1000x dave posts about vf22 ownage.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

:devil: :banana: :disco: :banana: :devil:

~v6

for the record i am calling a trap of 108+ mph on a vf34 @ 15psi very very very very very very hard to believe. i'll leave it at that.

for the record i am calling a trap of 108+ mph on a vf34 @ 15psi very very very very very very hard to believe. i'll leave it at that.

call what you want it happened, and if you came that day you would have saw it :D :D :D :D :D :D

i believe the slip is good.

i believe you were pushing more than 15psi.

what kind of gauge do you have? peak hold? do you expect us to believe that were you watching it as you did your run? got a data log?

a vf34 @ 15psi w/oem tmic trapping 108mph at full weight is a joke. if you knew anything at all about tuning the car you'd know that. it just doesn't jive.

i wouldn't have said anything but you keep harping on the 15psi thing, waving it around like it's proof your car is teh aw3some. you have proof of the run, but you have no proof of anything else... especially something as ephemeral as manifold pressure during a <13 second run through the gears.

so cliff notes: congrats on a clean run, bs on the 15psi.

so cliff notes: congrats on a clean run, bs on the 15psi.

amen brother :disco:

this is brendans datalog from his final dyno run
the NEXT day he called me saying he had only gotten 15 psi on the street
his Autometer gauge may be off by 1 psi but still

01:38.5 2063 none 8.5 1.45
01:38.5 2091 none 8.5 1.74
01:38.5 2091 none 8.5 1.74
01:38.5 2064 none 8 2.18
01:38.5 2064 none 8 2.18
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01:38.5 2120 none 8.5 2.47
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01:38.5 2129 none 8.5 3.05
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01:38.5 2100 none 8.5 3.34
01:38.5 2100 none 8.5 3.34
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01:38.5 2100 none 8.5 3.34
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01:38.5 2020 none 8.5 3.63
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01:38.5 2000 none 8.5 3.63
01:38.5 2003 none 9 3.63
01:38.5 1996 none 9 3.63
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01:38.5 1962 none 9 3.48
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01:38.5 1968 none 9 3.48
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01:38.5 1957 none 9 3.48
01:38.5 1957 none 9 3.48
01:38.5 1953 none 9 3.48
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01:38.5 1936 none 9 3.48
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01:38.5 1952 none 9 3.48
01:38.5 1943 none 9 3.48
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01:38.5 1957 none 9 3.48
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01:38.5 1957 none 9 3.48
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01:38.5 1957 none 9 3.48
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01:38.5 2030 none 8.5 3.48
01:38.5 2059 none 8.5 3.48
01:38.5 2059 none 8.5 3.48
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01:38.5 2170 none 8.5 3.63
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01:38.5 2217 none 8 3.77
01:38.5 2252 none 8 3.92
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01:38.5 2279 none 8 4.06
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01:38.5 2332 none 8 4.21
01:38.5 2385 none 8 4.35
01:38.5 2385 none 8 4.35
01:38.5 2406 none 8 4.5
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01:38.5 2455 none 8 4.64
01:38.5 2494 none 8 4.93
01:38.5 2494 none 8 4.93
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01:38.5 2618 none 8.5 5.51
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01:38.6 2705 none 7.5 6.24
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01:38.6 2821 none 8 7.11
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01:38.6 2887 none 9 7.69
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01:38.6 3283 none 8 14.36
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01:38.6 3591 none 3 15.95
01:38.6 3616 none 3 15.95
01:38.6 3602 none 3 15.95
01:38.6 3602 none 3 15.95
01:38.6 3616 none 3 15.81
01:38.6 3616 none 3 15.81
01:38.6 3623 none 3 15.81
01:38.6 3638 none 3 16.1
01:38.6 3638 none 3 16.1
01:38.6 3647 none 3 16.1
01:38.6 3647 none 3 16.1
01:38.6 3667 none 3 16.1
01:38.6 3667 none 3 16.1
01:38.6 3696 none 3 16.24
01:38.6 3705 none 3 16.1
01:38.6 3705 none 3 16.1
01:38.6 3751 none 4 16.1
01:38.6 3751 none 4 16.1
01:38.6 3789 none 4 16.1
01:39.0 3791 none 4 16.1
01:39.0 3791 none 4 16.1
01:39.0 3848 none 4 15.95
01:39.0 3848 none 4 15.95
01:39.0 3881 none 4 15.95
01:39.0 3881 none 4 15.95
01:39.0 3893 none 4 15.95
01:39.0 3945 none 4 15.81
01:39.0 3945 none 4 15.81
01:39.0 3968 none 4 15.95
01:39.0 3968 none 4 15.95
01:39.0 4014 none 4 15.81
01:39.0 4014 none 4 15.81
01:39.0 4042 none 4 15.95
01:39.0 4053 none 4 15.81
01:39.0 4053 none 4 15.81
01:39.0 4116 none 5 15.81
01:39.0 4116 none 5 15.81
01:39.0 4129 none 5 15.95
01:39.0 4125 none 5 15.81
01:39.0 4125 none 5 15.81
01:39.0 4192 none 5 15.95
01:39.0 4192 none 5 15.95
01:39.0 4249 none 3 15.81
01:39.0 4288 none 3 15.95
01:39.0 4288 none 3 15.95
01:39.0 4330 none 3 15.95
01:39.0 4330 none 3 15.95
01:39.0 4337 none 3 15.95
01:39.0 4337 none 3 15.95
01:39.0 4370 none 3.5 15.95
01:39.0 4360 none 3.5 16.1
01:39.0 4360 none 3.5 16.1
01:39.0 4448 none 3.5 16.1
01:39.0 4448 none 3.5 16.1
01:39.0 4477 none 3.5 16.1
01:39.0 4556 none 3.5 16.1
01:39.0 4556 none 3.5 16.1
01:39.0 4559 none 4 16.1
01:39.0 4559 none 4 16.1
01:39.0 4618 none 4.5 16.1
01:39.0 4618 none 4.5 16.1
01:39.0 4666 none 5.5 16.1
01:39.0 4669 none 5.5 15.95
01:39.0 4669 none 5.5 15.95
01:39.0 4679 none 5.5 15.95
01:39.1 4679 none 5.5 15.95
01:39.1 4764 none 6 15.95
01:39.1 4774 none 6 15.95
01:39.1 4774 none 6 15.95
01:39.1 4844 none 6 15.95
01:39.1 4844 none 6 15.95
01:39.1 4835 none 5.5 16.1
01:39.1 4835 none 5.5 16.1
01:39.1 4879 none 5.5 16.1
01:39.1 4893 none 5.5 16.1
01:39.1 4893 none 5.5 16.1
01:39.1 4986 none 5.5 16.1
01:39.1 4986 none 5.5 16.1
01:39.1 4983 none 5.5 16.1
01:39.1 5016 none 6 16.1
01:39.1 5016 none 6 16.1
01:39.1 5060 none 5.5 16.1
01:39.1 5060 none 5.5 16.1
01:39.1 5122 none 5.5 16.1
01:39.1 5122 none 5.5 16.1
01:39.1 5172 none 5.5 16.1
01:39.1 5165 none 5.5 16.1
01:39.1 5165 none 5.5 16.1
01:39.1 5230 none 5.5 16.1
01:39.1 5230 none 5.5 16.1
01:39.1 5191 none 5.5 16.1
01:39.1 5315 none 5.5 16.1
01:39.1 5315 none 5.5 16.1
01:39.1 5349 none 5.5 16.1
01:39.1 5349 none 5.5 16.1
01:39.1 5353 none 5.5 16.1
01:39.1 5353 none 5.5 16.1
01:39.1 5415 none 6 15.95
01:39.1 5415 none 6 15.81
01:39.1 5415 none 6 15.81
01:39.1 5474 none 6.5 15.81
01:39.1 5474 none 6.5 15.81
01:39.1 5506 none 6.5 15.81
01:39.1 5555 none 8 15.66
01:39.1 5555 none 8 15.66
01:39.1 5551 none 8 15.52
01:39.1 5551 none 8 15.52
01:39.1 5588 none 5.5 15.37
01:39.1 5588 none 5.5 15.37
01:39.1 5613 none 3.5 15.37
01:39.1 5630 none 3.5 15.37
01:39.1 5630 none 3.5 15.37
01:39.1 5664 none 3.5 15.23
01:39.1 5664 none 3.5 15.23
01:39.1 5729 none 3.5 15.23
01:39.1 5733 none 3.5 15.37
01:39.1 5733 none 3.5 15.37
01:39.1 5764 none 3.5 15.37
01:39.1 5764 none 3.5 15.37
01:39.1 5841 none 3 15.23
01:39.1 5841 none 3 15.23
01:39.1 5882 none 3 15.23
01:39.1 5873 none 2.5 15.23
01:39.1 5873 none 2.5 15.23
01:39.1 5896 none 2.5 15.23
01:39.1 5896 none 2.5 15.23
01:39.1 5868 none 0 -6.96
01:39.1 5526 none 0 -9.14
01:39.1 5526 none 0 -9.14
01:39.1 5154 none 0 -9.57
01:39.1 5154 none 0 -9.57
01:39.1 4708 none 0 -9.43
01:39.1 4708 none 0 -9.43
01:39.1 4401 none 0 -9.14
01:39.1 4084 none 0 -9.14
01:39.1 4084 none 0 -9.14
01:39.1 3885 none 0 -9.43
01:39.1 3885 none 0 -9.43
01:39.1 3610 none 0 -9.43
01:39.1 3364 none 0 -9.14
01:39.1 3364 none 0 -9.14
01:39.1 3364 none 0 -9.14
01:39.1 3364 none 0 -9.14
01:39.1 3364 none 0 -9.14
01:39.1 3364 none 0 -9.14
01:39.1 2617 none 0 -10.3
01:39.1 2617 none 0 -10.3
01:39.1 2617 none 0 -10.3
01:39.1 2617 none 0 -10.3
01:39.1 2617 none 0 -10.3
01:39.1 2617 none 0 -10.3
01:39.1 1718 none 0 -10.44
01:39.1 1484 none 0 -10.44
01:39.1 1484 none 0 -10.44
01:39.1 1311 none 0 -10.15
01:39.1 1311 none 0 -10.15
01:39.1 1230 none 0 -9.86
01:39.2 1191 none 0 -10.01
01:39.2 1191 none 0 -10.01
01:39.2 1084 none 0 -9.86
01:39.2 1084 none 0 -9.86
01:39.2 1014 none 0 -9.72
01:39.2 1014 none 0 -9.72
01:39.2 917 none 0 -9.28
01:39.2 850 none 0 -8.99
01:39.2 850 none 0 -8.99
01:39.2 809 none 0 -8.7
01:39.2 809 none 0 -8.7
01:39.2 794 none 0 -8.56
01:39.2 794 none 0 -8.56
01:39.2 794 none 0 -8.56
01:39.2 794 none 0 -8.56
01:39.2 760 none 0 -8.41

what exactly is a cobb stage 2.5? I looked at their site and it only goes to stage 2.
So all you have is a tbe (with both cats??), an STi up pipe, and a vf34?
most people that read know my setup jdm sti vf34.

Does that mean you have a jdm sti 2.0 L? Or just the vf34? Is the jdm sti even necessary in front of the vf34? Is the vf34 on the jdm sti's better than the ones on the european ones or the australian ones?

That time is really impressive with the 3440 lbs, the 18" wheels, the 1.94 60', and 15 psi.

since when is a vf30 inferior to a 34? omg bearings y0 dont even start dave.

do i have to bring up how my 15 psi vf34 out trapped the vf22 monsta omg 1000x dave posts about vf22 ownage.


double posting n00b

since when is a vf30 inferior to a 34? omg bearings y0 dont even start dave.

do i have to bring up how my 15 psi vf34 out trapped the vf22 monsta omg 1000x dave posts about vf22 ownage.
traps smaps
12.7 is faster than 12.8
You are an EXCELLENT driver, I am a crap driver
FYI my fastest 12.7 run was with a 1.9 60ft.

Oh and chris's car was stripped of NOTHING. Thats the way his car is every day. Full trim.

12.7 is faster than 12.8
You are an EXCELLENT driver, I am a crap driverFYI my fastest 12.7 run was with a 1.9 60ft.


12.801@105.9 1.94 60 ft.
12.813@106 1.89 60 ft
13.001@108.1 1.95 60 ft.

Your driving seems pretty equal to me.

This is a crap driver (me :lol: )
60' 2.06 2.074 2.118 2.28 2.454 2.22
1/8 8.655 8.783 8.85 9.2 9.393 9.552
1/4 13.381 13.549 13.659 14.013 14.175 14.486

... didn't realize it was four pages :)

this is brendans datalog from his final dyno run
the NEXT day he called me saying he had only gotten 15 psi on the street
his Autometer gauge may be off by 1 psi but still

01:38.5 2063 none 8.5 1.45
01:38.5 2091 none 8.5 1.74
01:38.5 2091 none 8.5 1.74
01:38.5 2064 none 8 2.18
01:38.5 2064 none 8 2.18
01:38.5 2120 none 8.5 2.47
01:38.5 2120 none 8.5 2.47
01:38.5 2125 none 8.5 2.47
01:38.5 2122 none 8.5 2.76
01:38.5 2122 none 8.5 2.76
01:38.5 2129 none 8.5 3.05
01:38.5 2129 none 8.5 3.05
01:38.5 2128 none 8.5 3.19
01:38.5 2100 none 8.5 3.34
01:38.5 2100 none 8.5 3.34
01:38.5 2100 none 8.5 3.34
01:38.5 2100 none 8.5 3.34
01:38.5 2100 none 8.5 3.34
01:38.5 2100 none 8.5 3.34
01:38.5 2059 none 8.5 3.48
01:38.5 2059 none 8.5 3.48
01:38.5 2029 none 8.5 3.63
01:38.5 2020 none 8.5 3.63
01:38.5 2020 none 8.5 3.63
01:38.5 2000 none 8.5 3.63
01:38.5 2000 none 8.5 3.63
01:38.5 2003 none 9 3.63
01:38.5 1996 none 9 3.63
01:38.5 1996 none 9 3.63
01:38.5 1959 none 9 3.63
01:38.5 1959 none 9 3.63
01:38.5 1973 none 9 3.63
01:38.5 1973 none 9 3.63
01:38.5 1974 none 9 3.48
01:38.5 1962 none 9 3.48
01:38.5 1962 none 9 3.48
01:38.5 1968 none 9 3.48
01:38.5 1968 none 9 3.48
01:38.5 1951 none 9 3.48
01:38.5 1957 none 9 3.48
01:38.5 1957 none 9 3.48
01:38.5 1953 none 9 3.48
01:38.5 1953 none 9 3.48
01:38.5 1936 none 9 3.48
01:38.5 1936 none 9 3.48
01:38.5 1952 none 9 3.48
01:38.5 1943 none 9 3.48
01:38.5 1943 none 9 3.48
01:38.5 1940 none 9 3.48
01:38.5 1940 none 9 3.48
01:38.5 1957 none 9 3.48
01:38.5 1957 none 9 3.48
01:38.5 1957 none 9 3.48
01:38.5 1957 none 9 3.48
01:38.5 1957 none 9 3.48
01:38.5 1957 none 9 3.48
01:38.5 1957 none 9 3.48
01:38.5 1957 none 9 3.48
01:38.5 1944 none 9 3.34
01:38.5 1963 none 9 3.34
01:38.5 1963 none 9 3.34
01:38.5 1971 none 9 3.34
01:38.5 1971 none 9 3.34
01:38.5 2013 none 8.5 3.34
01:38.5 2030 none 8.5 3.48
01:38.5 2030 none 8.5 3.48
01:38.5 2059 none 8.5 3.48
01:38.5 2059 none 8.5 3.48
01:38.5 2101 none 8.5 3.63
01:38.5 2101 none 8.5 3.63
01:38.5 2114 none 8.5 3.63
01:38.5 2170 none 8.5 3.63
01:38.5 2170 none 8.5 3.63
01:38.5 2217 none 8 3.77
01:38.5 2217 none 8 3.77
01:38.5 2252 none 8 3.92
01:38.5 2279 none 8 4.06
01:38.5 2279 none 8 4.06
01:38.5 2332 none 8 4.21
01:38.5 2332 none 8 4.21
01:38.5 2385 none 8 4.35
01:38.5 2385 none 8 4.35
01:38.5 2406 none 8 4.5
01:38.5 2455 none 8 4.64
01:38.5 2455 none 8 4.64
01:38.5 2494 none 8 4.93
01:38.5 2494 none 8 4.93
01:38.5 2553 none 8 5.22
01:38.5 2618 none 8.5 5.51
01:38.5 2618 none 8.5 5.51
01:38.5 2672 none 8.5 5.8
01:38.6 2672 none 8.5 5.8
01:38.6 2705 none 7.5 6.24
01:38.6 2705 none 7.5 6.24
01:38.6 2697 none 7.5 6.67
01:38.6 2821 none 8 7.11
01:38.6 2821 none 8 7.11
01:38.6 2887 none 9 7.69
01:38.6 2887 none 9 7.69
01:38.6 2933 none 9 8.56
01:38.6 2933 none 9 8.56
01:38.6 3005 none 9 9.57
01:38.6 3082 none 9 10.59
01:38.6 3082 none 9 10.59
01:38.6 3151 none 9 11.75
01:38.6 3151 none 9 11.75
01:38.6 3245 none 9 12.91
01:38.6 3283 none 8 14.36
01:38.6 3283 none 8 14.36
01:38.6 3373 none 5 15.08
01:38.6 3373 none 5 15.08
01:38.6 3426 none 5 15.95
01:38.6 3509 none 5 15.95
01:38.6 3509 none 5 15.95
01:38.6 3534 none 3 15.95
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01:38.6 3602 none 3 15.95
01:38.6 3616 none 3 15.81
01:38.6 3616 none 3 15.81
01:38.6 3623 none 3 15.81
01:38.6 3638 none 3 16.1
01:38.6 3638 none 3 16.1
01:38.6 3647 none 3 16.1
01:38.6 3647 none 3 16.1
01:38.6 3667 none 3 16.1
01:38.6 3667 none 3 16.1
01:38.6 3696 none 3 16.24
01:38.6 3705 none 3 16.1
01:38.6 3705 none 3 16.1
01:38.6 3751 none 4 16.1
01:38.6 3751 none 4 16.1
01:38.6 3789 none 4 16.1
01:39.0 3791 none 4 16.1
01:39.0 3791 none 4 16.1
01:39.0 3848 none 4 15.95
01:39.0 3848 none 4 15.95
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01:39.0 3893 none 4 15.95
01:39.0 3945 none 4 15.81
01:39.0 3945 none 4 15.81
01:39.0 3968 none 4 15.95
01:39.0 3968 none 4 15.95
01:39.0 4014 none 4 15.81
01:39.0 4014 none 4 15.81
01:39.0 4042 none 4 15.95
01:39.0 4053 none 4 15.81
01:39.0 4053 none 4 15.81
01:39.0 4116 none 5 15.81
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01:39.0 4129 none 5 15.95
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01:39.0 4125 none 5 15.81
01:39.0 4192 none 5 15.95
01:39.0 4192 none 5 15.95
01:39.0 4249 none 3 15.81
01:39.0 4288 none 3 15.95
01:39.0 4288 none 3 15.95
01:39.0 4330 none 3 15.95
01:39.0 4330 none 3 15.95
01:39.0 4337 none 3 15.95
01:39.0 4337 none 3 15.95
01:39.0 4370 none 3.5 15.95
01:39.0 4360 none 3.5 16.1
01:39.0 4360 none 3.5 16.1
01:39.0 4448 none 3.5 16.1
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01:39.0 4477 none 3.5 16.1
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01:39.0 4556 none 3.5 16.1
01:39.0 4559 none 4 16.1
01:39.0 4559 none 4 16.1
01:39.0 4618 none 4.5 16.1
01:39.0 4618 none 4.5 16.1
01:39.0 4666 none 5.5 16.1
01:39.0 4669 none 5.5 15.95
01:39.0 4669 none 5.5 15.95
01:39.0 4679 none 5.5 15.95
01:39.1 4679 none 5.5 15.95
01:39.1 4764 none 6 15.95
01:39.1 4774 none 6 15.95
01:39.1 4774 none 6 15.95
01:39.1 4844 none 6 15.95
01:39.1 4844 none 6 15.95
01:39.1 4835 none 5.5 16.1
01:39.1 4835 none 5.5 16.1
01:39.1 4879 none 5.5 16.1
01:39.1 4893 none 5.5 16.1
01:39.1 4893 none 5.5 16.1
01:39.1 4986 none 5.5 16.1
01:39.1 4986 none 5.5 16.1
01:39.1 4983 none 5.5 16.1
01:39.1 5016 none 6 16.1
01:39.1 5016 none 6 16.1
01:39.1 5060 none 5.5 16.1
01:39.1 5060 none 5.5 16.1
01:39.1 5122 none 5.5 16.1
01:39.1 5122 none 5.5 16.1
01:39.1 5172 none 5.5 16.1
01:39.1 5165 none 5.5 16.1
01:39.1 5165 none 5.5 16.1
01:39.1 5230 none 5.5 16.1
01:39.1 5230 none 5.5 16.1
01:39.1 5191 none 5.5 16.1
01:39.1 5315 none 5.5 16.1
01:39.1 5315 none 5.5 16.1
01:39.1 5349 none 5.5 16.1
01:39.1 5349 none 5.5 16.1
01:39.1 5353 none 5.5 16.1
01:39.1 5353 none 5.5 16.1
01:39.1 5415 none 6 15.95
01:39.1 5415 none 6 15.81
01:39.1 5415 none 6 15.81
01:39.1 5474 none 6.5 15.81
01:39.1 5474 none 6.5 15.81
01:39.1 5506 none 6.5 15.81
01:39.1 5555 none 8 15.66
01:39.1 5555 none 8 15.66
01:39.1 5551 none 8 15.52
01:39.1 5551 none 8 15.52
01:39.1 5588 none 5.5 15.37
01:39.1 5588 none 5.5 15.37
01:39.1 5613 none 3.5 15.37
01:39.1 5630 none 3.5 15.37
01:39.1 5630 none 3.5 15.37
01:39.1 5664 none 3.5 15.23
01:39.1 5664 none 3.5 15.23
01:39.1 5729 none 3.5 15.23
01:39.1 5733 none 3.5 15.37
01:39.1 5733 none 3.5 15.37
01:39.1 5764 none 3.5 15.37
01:39.1 5764 none 3.5 15.37
01:39.1 5841 none 3 15.23
01:39.1 5841 none 3 15.23
01:39.1 5882 none 3 15.23
01:39.1 5873 none 2.5 15.23
01:39.1 5873 none 2.5 15.23
01:39.1 5896 none 2.5 15.23
01:39.1 5896 none 2.5 15.23
01:39.1 5868 none 0 -6.96
01:39.1 5526 none 0 -9.14
01:39.1 5526 none 0 -9.14
01:39.1 5154 none 0 -9.57
01:39.1 5154 none 0 -9.57
01:39.1 4708 none 0 -9.43
01:39.1 4708 none 0 -9.43
01:39.1 4401 none 0 -9.14
01:39.1 4084 none 0 -9.14
01:39.1 4084 none 0 -9.14
01:39.1 3885 none 0 -9.43
01:39.1 3885 none 0 -9.43
01:39.1 3610 none 0 -9.43
01:39.1 3364 none 0 -9.14
01:39.1 3364 none 0 -9.14
01:39.1 3364 none 0 -9.14
01:39.1 3364 none 0 -9.14
01:39.1 3364 none 0 -9.14
01:39.1 3364 none 0 -9.14
01:39.1 2617 none 0 -10.3
01:39.1 2617 none 0 -10.3
01:39.1 2617 none 0 -10.3
01:39.1 2617 none 0 -10.3
01:39.1 2617 none 0 -10.3
01:39.1 2617 none 0 -10.3
01:39.1 1718 none 0 -10.44
01:39.1 1484 none 0 -10.44
01:39.1 1484 none 0 -10.44
01:39.1 1311 none 0 -10.15
01:39.1 1311 none 0 -10.15
01:39.1 1230 none 0 -9.86
01:39.2 1191 none 0 -10.01
01:39.2 1191 none 0 -10.01
01:39.2 1084 none 0 -9.86
01:39.2 1084 none 0 -9.86
01:39.2 1014 none 0 -9.72
01:39.2 1014 none 0 -9.72
01:39.2 917 none 0 -9.28
01:39.2 850 none 0 -8.99
01:39.2 850 none 0 -8.99
01:39.2 809 none 0 -8.7
01:39.2 809 none 0 -8.7
01:39.2 794 none 0 -8.56
01:39.2 794 none 0 -8.56
01:39.2 794 none 0 -8.56
01:39.2 794 none 0 -8.56
01:39.2 760 none 0 -8.41


temperate correction, it was cool when were were running 15.9 ish target boost,

then in that heat i saw 15 on the gauge, and 14.8-14.9 on the AP reading, i did it multiple times and looked for a reading.

call bs all you want, 16 psi target + humidity + ap live boost reading = beleiveable

so yeah full weight, 15 psi look at the datalogs, call it 16 psi in IDEAL low weather conditions and it still proves your theory wrong, thanks cuz thats a compliment cuz its true. :)

this is brendans datalog from his final dyno run

ok help me understand this log...

there are 91 lines at 38.5
there are 45 lines at 38.6

then there is a gap in the log.

there are 45 lines at 39.0
there are 91 lines at 39.1
there are 14 lines at 39.2

it looks like the first column is seconds. it looks like approximately 91 lines go by in a tenth of a second.

why is there a conspicuous gap between 38.6 and 39.0? this could be the equivalent of >360 lines of log at 91 per tenth.

if this is the log of his final run, why does he let off at 5890 rpms? he launches and quarters with ONE SHIFT?

i'm going to just come out and call it: it seems like this log has been edited.

PLEASE tell me that this log hasn't been edited and modified. you're on the verge of being put on my blacklist of people with whom i will never do business with--ever. i'm sure most would agree that's some shady **** if true.

so TDC, keep a potential customer and explain my observations of his "log" of the quarter mile run.

EDIT:

i reread TDC's post more carefully. i admit i rushed to reply. it DOES not claim it's the quarter mile run, but rather a dyno run.

which, long and short of it, proves absolutely nothing. NOBODY here has ever done a dyno run in which MORE BOOST was achieved than on the street. in fact, just the opposite happens... less load on dyno means more boost on street.

still i'm unconvinced.

it doesn't matter what i think though. if you tell yourself the same thing over and over again eventually you'll believe it to be true anyway.

dude the scales were off did you deduct the weight?

dude the scales were off did you deduct the weight?

no i did not, i heard someone say 140-50 ish off, i didnt know if it was hearsay let m e know

Honestly i dont know what your problem is
that is a direct post from the logs i have
i copy and pasted it in

the last dyno run i made was that log
i dont know what to tell you
need me to send you the csv?

i dont understand what is so hard to figure out
the kid ran a 12.8 and a 108 mph
PLENTY of people saw him do it

i verified the claim of boost pressure with the logs
we COULD NOT RUN OVER 17.9
because thats where the boost cut was set in the map

i didnt raise it because i saw a WRX MELT his piston @ 19 psi on an sr40
on a stock cooler

For your log issues
look @ the rpm
matches perfectly
as does the knock correction

i have nothing to gain by editing w a log or any of the other things you are claiming and quite honestly i take offense to the insinuation that i would fix a log

i have probably 20-30 logs all showing the same thing.




ok help me understand this log...

there are 91 lines at 38.5
there are 45 lines at 38.6

then there is a gap in the log.

there are 45 lines at 39.0
there are 91 lines at 39.1
there are 14 lines at 39.2

it looks like the first column is seconds. it looks like approximately 91 lines go by in a tenth of a second.

why is there a conspicuous gap between 38.6 and 39.0? this could be the equivalent of >360 lines of log at 91 per tenth.

if this is the log of his final run, why does he let off at 5890 rpms? he launches and quarters with ONE SHIFT?

i'm going to just come out and call it: it seems like this log has been edited.

PLEASE tell me that this log hasn't been edited and modified. you're on the verge of being put on my blacklist of people with whom i will never do business with--ever. i'm sure most would agree that's some shady **** if true.

so TDC, keep a potential customer and explain my observations of his "log" of the quarter mile run.

EDIT:

i reread TDC's post more carefully. i admit i rushed to reply. it DOES not claim it's the quarter mile run, but rather a dyno run.

which, long and short of it, proves absolutely nothing. NOBODY here has ever done a dyno run in which MORE BOOST was achieved than on the street. in fact, just the opposite happens... less load on dyno means more boost on street.

still i'm unconvinced.

it doesn't matter what i think though. if you tell yourself the same thing over and over again eventually you'll believe it to be true anyway.

I agree with Ride500 that this looks and sounds kind of weird but maybe Bren just has a good car with a combination of good driving! I first thought it was hard to beleive but then gain I saw my buddy run 13.4@100 with only an MBC and I know that cause I put it on for him...he ran twice and I was there! so I think 108 is high but acheivable on a VF34

which, long and short of it, proves absolutely nothing. NOBODY here has ever done a dyno run in which MORE BOOST was achieved than on the street. in fact, just the opposite happens... less load on dyno means more boost on street.

THAT is 1000% untrue
i can load a car till it shuts off on my dyno (provided enought traction)
and i accelerate the cars @ 200-300 rpm a second which is FAR slower than on the street, so YEAH i can get more load than someone driving the car on the road could

bren, i know you don't know much about tuning, but explain why the following stats for a similarly modded car such as yours are out there:

ttp://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=753378
hk phooey, 12.47@111, 104 octane

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=624398
cavadini, 12.8@111, 100 octane, w/tmic
nitroxtreme, 12.6@108, 100 octane
dan avon7, 12.8@106, xede, fmic, exh mani, inlet
expwrx, 13.1@102, catless, ic hoses, inlet, light flywheel
steve02wrxwagon, 13.35@101.54, cat, k+n, ic hose, 17" wheels
koki, 12.8@107, headers, fmic, external wg, water injection
koki, 12.3@111, vp116 octane

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=597420
beachpig, 13.15@103.4, 13.29@101.9, 13.09@103.5, 13.3@102.7, 13.4@101, tmic.
big turkey, 12.88@106, vf30@17.5psi
cooter, ???@105
03wrxma, 12.7@107, vf22@19psi

now, why is it that YOUR CAR makes traps similar to those running either water injection, race gas, a bigger intercooler, a bigger turbo, or some combination thereof?

do you see why my doubt of your claim of a 108 trap @ 15 psi is not unreasonable? i doubt it because NOBODY and i mean NOBODY has come close to such a high trap on a full weight car with such low boost.

now, if you, or more particularly, tdc, has some ideas as to why your car seems to be making a good 30-40 whp more than everyone else's, i'd love to hear it.

THAT is 1000% untrue
i can load a car till it shuts off on my dyno (provided enought traction)
and i accelerate the cars @ 200-300 rpm a second which is FAR slower than on the street, so YEAH i can get more load than someone driving the car on the road could

are you telling me that the log you posted shows an increase of 200-300 rpms/sec? think carefully before you answer that one.

just because you CAN get more load doesn't mean you do. i can make a log in 5th gear or i can make it look like a 5th gear log in 3rd w/a left foot brake.

bren, i know you don't know much about tuning, but explain why the following stats for a similarly modded car such as yours are out there:

ttp://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=753378
hk phooey, 12.47@111, 104 octane

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=624398
cavadini, 12.8@111, 100 octane, w/tmic
nitroxtreme, 12.6@108, 100 octane
dan avon7, 12.8@106, xede, fmic, exh mani, inlet
expwrx, 13.1@102, catless, ic hoses, inlet, light flywheel
steve02wrxwagon, 13.35@101.54, cat, k+n, ic hose, 17" wheels
koki, 12.8@107, headers, fmic, external wg, water injection
koki, 12.3@111, vp116 octane

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=597420
beachpig, 13.15@103.4, 13.29@101.9, 13.09@103.5, 13.3@102.7, 13.4@101, tmic.
big turkey, 12.88@106, vf30@17.5psi
cooter, ???@105
03wrxma, 12.7@107, vf22@19psi

now, why is it that YOUR CAR makes traps similar to those running either water injection, race gas, a bigger intercooler, a bigger turbo, or some combination thereof?

do you see why my doubt of your claim of a 108 trap @ 15 psi is not unreasonable? i doubt it because NOBODY and i mean NOBODY has come close to such a high trap on a full weight car with such low boost.

now, if you, or more particularly, tdc, has some ideas as to why your car seems to be making a good 30-40 whp more than everyone else's, i'd love to hear it.

call it a freak whatever you want, i dont know HOW it happened, or why i dont compare to other WRX's, but it happened man, i am NOT lying, it does not make sense i agree with you but the slips/full weight and other variables i added are 100% my truth. I was running 18" wheels, Was running a 100% full tank of mobil 93 octane, mobil 1 gas, and had my lucky rabbit foot in the passenger seat, and my spare intact.

Those are the #'s call it 16 psi say im not humidity corrected IT MADE THOSE NUMBERS, the logs agree, i left the dyno less then a DAY before the runs, told jon about the random low boost issue and ran it regardless

Honestly i dont know what your problem is
that is a direct post from the logs i have
i copy and pasted it in
my "problem" is that i have a brain, and i'm not afraid to use it critically.
the last dyno run i made was that log
i dont know what to tell you
need me to send you the csv?
so the dyno just cuts out a bunch of log lines? or did you do that afterwards?
i dont understand what is so hard to figure out
the kid ran a 12.8 and a 108 mph
PLENTY of people saw him do it
do i have to say it again? the slip is legit. the claims to how it was achieved are not.
i verified the claim of boost pressure with the logs
we COULD NOT RUN OVER 17.9
because thats where the boost cut was set in the map
that's 2.9psi higher than the boost he claims to have run.
For your log issues
look @ the rpm
matches perfectly
as does the knock correction
guy, what about the TIMESTAMP?
i have nothing to gain by editing w a log or any of the other things you are claiming and quite honestly i take offense to the insinuation that i would fix a log
ok, so you're offended.
i have probably 20-30 logs all showing the same thing.
unless they are logs of the run in question, they are useless.

i love it when posters--especially vendors, and ESPECIALLY tuning vendors--get defensive. makes me feel like i'm on to something.

heres an idea Ride
why dont you bring yourself up here friday night
and go to the track w BREN and hold the AP in you hands and watch it

why does he have to prove anything to you?

the rate on my dyno for that tyno run was set to 200 rpm /sec
and untill you have seen my dyno in action i would hold your comments

His car is a freak
i cant understand why it makes the power it does
nor can i see why it moves like it does, but the fact of the matter is
@ 15-16 psi, ****, even if he hit 17 spike he STILL ran a 12.8 and a 108 trap
did you ever consider that the ****ty ass track they were on may be wrong?

i suppose i can take him for a ride
and video all of it including the dashboard in the Pro tuner software and post it
but that really is unnecessary.

It is a free country you may believe whatever u want to believe

I as a tune amd still amazed that he ran what he did
i didnt do anything special just tuned it so it was happy
maybe now people will see the advantages of Pro Tuner

heres an idea Ride
why dont you bring yourself up here friday night
and go to the track w BREN and hold the AP in you hands and watch it

why does he have to prove anything to you?

the rate on my dyno for that tyno run was set to 200 rpm /sec
and untill you have seen my dyno in action i would hold your comments

His car is a freak
i cant understand why it makes the power it does
nor can i see why it moves like it does, but the fact of the matter is
@ 15-16 psi, ****, even if he hit 17 spike he STILL ran a 12.8 and a 108 trap
did you ever consider that the ****ty ass track they were on may be wrong?

i suppose i can take him for a ride
and video all of it including the dashboard in the Pro tuner software and post it
but that really is unnecessary.

It is a free country you may believe whatever u want to believe

I as a tune amd still amazed that he ran what he did
i didnt do anything special just tuned it so it was happy
maybe now people will see the advantages of Pro Tuner

everytime jon tried to run 17 psi we would hit boost cut on that map, so he dialed it down to 15.8-9 target boost, and the logs say around that. Then it was 40-50 degrees hotter the next day and viola, makes sense with the stock intercooler.

i mean do stupid mods count? i have a tb bypass, an ebay grounding kit, and a bootleg water sprayer that doesnt even work yet.

ride you are quite the thorn arent you
the logs are from ALL seperate dyno runs
all showing the same thing
u realize the "missing" log parts are .4 seconds?
thats less than a half a second
and its exactly where the car happen to catch the load on the dyno on that run

i understand your skepticism
but untill YOU see it with your OWN eyes
anything i post or anyone else posts WILL NOT be good enough for you
you can ALWAYS find something to nit pick
you do it well as anyone can see form any of your posts

i personally dont care if you agree or believe it
the fact is thats the log from the run

heres an idea Ride
why dont you bring yourself up here friday night
and go to the track w BREN and hold the AP in you hands and watch it

why does he have to prove anything to you?

he doesn't.

what he--and YOU are doing, i might add--is attempting to reconcile the fact that his car makes more power than ANYONE ELSE'S EVER HAS ON NASIOC for a given list of mods, gasoline, and manifold pressure.

you're not doing it for me. you're doing it because this is a public forum and i'm not the only one scratching his chin and raising an eyebrow.

the rate on my dyno for that tyno run was set to 200 rpm /sec
and untill you have seen my dyno in action i would hold your comments

interesting. i guess the lines that say, "01:39.1 4986" don't actually mean minutes:seconds.tenths and rpms. sure looked like they did.

did you ever consider that the ****ty ass track they were on may be wrong?

holy crap. do you know the last vendor who claimed the NED track timing gear was off? it wasn't pretty. it's a lame, last ditch excuse if you ask me.

maybe now people will see the advantages of Pro Tuner

yes. apparently it can make power appear out of thin air, unlike utecs, hydras, xedes, unichips, links, motecs, etc.

this thread sure has gotten interesting.

ride --- i think we all need to relax, it happened, noone knows why, it happened, it makes somewhat sense but it is on the high side, jon proved his side with the logs, many witnessed it, witnessed the full weight car, witnessed me on the scale. Its ok, maybe im a freak, put me on #1 car then, cuz im the #1 stunna :p

Your nitpicking minimal crap, the facts are there, im not lying, many people know me and drove up with me and watched me run to run to run (supersayinneo, sti2dope, randomdj) the car shocked me, i was very happy, why dont we leave it there, its a strong car and im happy with my TDC tuned cobb car. WOOOOOOOSAH ride, think butterflies and unicorns go into your happy place.

getting trigger shy? something to hide? :)

the car running strong is not the issue. the car trapping what it trapped is not the issue. the car shocking you is not the issue.

the car doing so under the conditions that you set forth to be true during the run is the issue.

im not trigger shy, im just really sick of nit picking you got the info you need, you just dont want to beleive it and will be stubborn as you possibly can for the purpose of being an annoyance.

i personally invite you to once over my car, and sit with me and log the boost gauge, i cannot adjust boost as it runs the stock controller. I also invite you to port my manifolds for cheap $$ :D :D

I dont believe you!

:disco:

~v6

i have had an extended session on AIM with tdctuning. i do not believe the logs to be hacked or modified in any way, and i retract the insinuation that they were.

i have a better understanding of how the car was tuned, but i am not completely confident that it is the whole story--nor is it tdc's place to tell me the whole story. the tune was good for the car as it rolled into the shop, and obviously as it rolled down the strip. tdc did no mechanical work and can vouch for no other mods or lack thereof.

at this point i can only surmise that this is a freak car indeed. it would be very interesting to get some datalogs and see just why it is making so much torque on so little boost and so few mods. i don't get out of the house much these days so someone else will have to do it, if bren would agree to it of course. perhaps crazymikie or some other non-partial third party would be willing?

ken

Here's what I do know.

Bren's got a USDM engine, stock TMIC, vf34. I ported the turbo (very mildly I may add- I was afraid it would cause havoc with his AP off-the-shelf maps). He's got some Samco hoses, I think.

Oh yeah...there's the 150 shot NOS:)

But seriously, I don't know why his car is so freakishly fast. I'll give Bren a hand getting some datalogs That should be good enough proof.

Mike

thanks mike, well give it a whirl.

Bren, did you buy your car used or new? **** for all we know the previous owner could have thrown cp pistons and a ****ing cam in the car lol. Ill tell you what. Since Im a nice guy, we can all take a ride up to NED and bren will let me drive his car, Ill flatshift it and generally abuse the tranny, and see if I can get higher than 108 for a trap.


- Jon

Bren, did you buy your car used or new? **** for all we know the previous owner could have thrown cp pistons and a ****ing cam in the car lol. Ill tell you what. Since Im a nice guy, we can all take a ride up to NED and bren will let me drive his car, Ill flatshift it and generally abuse the tranny, and see if I can get higher than 108 for a trap.


- Jon

Used, 54 year old guy, 19k miles, all subaru service records and 100k warrenty, the airbox bolts were rusted on and it had crapola walmart tires on it and a baby on board sign. This whip was a track MONSTA :lol:

I lift to shift on those runs, i only got a couple clean runs in, the 108 run did not feel good, i nearly crapped myself when i saw the slip. Its got a little more in it.

Bren, did you buy your car used or new? **** for all we know the previous owner could have thrown cp pistons and a ****ing cam in the car lol. Ill tell you what. Since Im a nice guy, we can all take a ride up to NED and bren will let me drive his car, Ill flatshift it and generally abuse the tranny, and see if I can get higher than 108 for a trap.


- Jon

bangin gears wont get u more mph really
**** a turbo non vtec integra i just tuned @ 13 psi
ran a 14 flat @ 109 !! kid cant drive for crap
but it does make some power

bangin gears wont get u more mph really
**** a turbo non vtec integra i just tuned @ 13 psi
ran a 14 flat @ 109 !! kid cant drive for crap
but it does make some power

james claimed he got a consistent 1-1.4 mph from flat foot shifting the sti

Dont worry, if bangin gears wont do it, I will volunteer to use my entire personal supply of NoS brand fuel additive in his tank. :) On the top of that we'll sea foam the engine first so it smokes the whole way down the track. 14 flat at 109, cant drive for crap plus i bet he has ****ty tires. Slicks make all the difference on a turbo fwd car. Id still like a turbo'd s2000 if i fit in it.


- Jon

Oh and chris's car was stripped of NOTHING. Thats the way his car is every day. Full trim.

i recall a spare tire and some heavy legacy gt wheels :lol:

this thread blows bananas

:D

~v6

I would be interested in seeing A/F and timing #'s. If this was done on such low boost then the tune HAS to be very agressive. Either that or bren has a wensday car. :lol:

Bren you want to talk about track preped cars. I think my Sti was the only car at NED last weekend that was even close to track preped. I removed 300lbs from my Sti. :)

TMS

I removed 300lbs from my Sti. :)
TMS

And that was from just one burp! Just imagine if you were drinking beer :D Oh wait.... ;)

And that was from just one burp! Just imagine if you were drinking beer :D Oh wait.... ;)

Well the scales said I weighed in at 330lbs. So I went and took a dump. It got 1mph more through the traps. :devil:

TMS

I dont really get why this thread is so long. His claim doesnt seem that unbelievable to me. I ran my cobb 2.5 on the unaltered reflash, heavier than stock 17s, stock airbox and tmic and trapped 105.9. This was at full weight, and I would rarely hit the target boost of 16.5 I think it is. So basically, 106 trap on a VF30 untuned running 15.5-16.0 psi. So, he gets a custom tune and squeezes more power out....whats the big deal? Didnt Cobb previously have on their site an estimate of 12.8@106 for their off the shelf 2.5 map?

bren, i know you don't know much about tuning, but explain why the following stats for a similarly modded car such as yours are out there:

ttp://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=753378
hk phooey, 12.47@111, 104 octane

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=624398
cavadini, 12.8@111, 100 octane, w/tmic
nitroxtreme, 12.6@108, 100 octane
dan avon7, 12.8@106, xede, fmic, exh mani, inlet
expwrx, 13.1@102, catless, ic hoses, inlet, light flywheel
steve02wrxwagon, 13.35@101.54, cat, k+n, ic hose, 17" wheels
koki, 12.8@107, headers, fmic, external wg, water injection
koki, 12.3@111, vp116 octane

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=597420
beachpig, 13.15@103.4, 13.29@101.9, 13.09@103.5, 13.3@102.7, 13.4@101, tmic.
big turkey, 12.88@106, vf30@17.5psi
cooter, ???@105
03wrxma, 12.7@107, vf22@19psi

now, why is it that YOUR CAR makes traps similar to those running either water injection, race gas, a bigger intercooler, a bigger turbo, or some combination thereof?

do you see why my doubt of your claim of a 108 trap @ 15 psi is not unreasonable? i doubt it because NOBODY and i mean NOBODY has come close to such a high trap on a full weight car with such low boost.

now, if you, or more particularly, tdc, has some ideas as to why your car seems to be making a good 30-40 whp more than everyone else's, i'd love to hear it.

Stock Turbo + Nitrous
Overall
AWD1320 1.563 60'
12.052@111.91 with Nitrous 75 shot 3/23/03

STEALTH-WRX 1.762 60'
12.068 @111.53 With Nitrous 95 shot wet
at fomoso raceway august 10, 2002

Stock Turbo only near sea level (less than 1600 ft altitude)

Quicktime 1.742 60'
12.78@106.62 Atco 3/23/04

I too thought the 108 mph trap was really high, especially for his mods. I mean he's only trapping 3 mph less than these cars with 75+ shots of nos and I'm pretty sure those cars with the 12.0 times have every bolt on known to man and are probably on race gas.
I think the simple explanation is that the trap is WRONG for that run. Look at his other traps 105.9 and 106, then all the sudden he gains 2 mph out of the blue with a slower 60'. We cant treat the track computer likes its infallible. I would say for any given run its accuracy is +-2 or 3 mph. How often do you think they actually calibrate those things? I've had slips given back to me that said I ran a 12.7@85 mph.
Do you have your slips posted?
Your times are weird. Such high 60' and still running 12.8@105-6. Look at the 60' these guys are getting and still ONLY running 12.8 with the same 105-6 traps.
12.854@106.54 1.758 8.223@84.91 Turbo WRX - 2002 Matt Slough 2004-05-13 Muncie Dragway
12.872@105.54 1.844 8.237@85.59 Turbo WRX - 2002 Bryan Fox 2002-11-15 Texas Motorplex
12.784@106.83 1.704 8.127@87.06 Turbo STi - 2004 Joel Tayao 2004-11-26 Hawaii Raceway Park
12.78@106.6 1.742 8.135@85.07 Turbo WRX - 2003 Barry Adler 2004-03-24 Atco Raceway

My suggestions are:
1) Post your slips (i went through the pages and didnt see them if they are already up)
2) Go rerun at a different track and see how your times/traps compare.

Didnt Cobb previously have on their site an estimate of 12.8@106 for their off the shelf 2.5 map?
I dont even see a stage 2.5 on their site!? Can someone give me a link?
His claim doesnt seem that unbelievable to me. I ran my cobb 2.5 on the unaltered reflash, heavier than stock 17s, stock airbox and tmic and trapped 105.9. This was at full weight, and I would rarely hit the target boost of 16.5 I think it is. So basically, 106 trap on a VF30 untuned running 15.5-16.0 psi. So, he gets a custom tune and squeezes more power out....whats the big deal?
Yeah, but what were your 60' and ET's? Its the whole combination of being on 18", being over 3400 lbs, being at low boost, only having a tbe and up pipe, and having 1.95 60' and still hitting a 12.8@105.9.
3 of the 4 other times I listed the guys have 60' that are over 0.200 quicker and they are running the same ET and trap.
Its the whole picture thats raising the questions not just the 108 mph trap (which I really believe is a fluke).
So please post your slips of all your runs. If you have other runs with at least a 107mph trap i might believe hitting 108 once, but just jumping from 105.9, 106 to 108 isnt likely. Unless its a 107.5 and you rounded up?
But on the other hand it almost seems like you NEED the extra power and should be trapping 108 everytime to be able to run the 12.8 with the 1.95 60'.

bren, just tell them... you got NAAAAWWWWZZZZZZ yO!!11!! :lol:

Was it windy? A tailwind might have helped. I wish I could've been there. :mad:

I too thought the 108 mph trap was really high, especially for his mods. I mean he's only trapping 3 mph less than these cars with 75+ shots of nos and I'm pretty sure those cars with the 12.0 times have every bolt on known to man and are probably on race gas.
I think the simple explanation is that the trap is WRONG for that run. Look at his other traps 105.9 and 106, then all the sudden he gains 2 mph out of the blue with a slower 60'. We cant treat the track computer likes its infallible. I would say for any given run its accuracy is +-2 or 3 mph. How often do you think they actually calibrate those things? I've had slips given back to me that said I ran a 12.7@85 mph.
Do you have your slips posted?
Your times are weird. Such high 60' and still running 12.8@105-6. Look at the 60' these guys are getting and still ONLY running 12.8 with the same 105-6 traps.
12.854@106.54 1.758 8.223@84.91 Turbo WRX - 2002 Matt Slough 2004-05-13 Muncie Dragway
12.872@105.54 1.844 8.237@85.59 Turbo WRX - 2002 Bryan Fox 2002-11-15 Texas Motorplex
12.784@106.83 1.704 8.127@87.06 Turbo STi - 2004 Joel Tayao 2004-11-26 Hawaii Raceway Park
12.78@106.6 1.742 8.135@85.07 Turbo WRX - 2003 Barry Adler 2004-03-24 Atco Raceway

My suggestions are:
1) Post your slips (i went through the pages and didnt see them if they are already up)
2) Go rerun at a different track and see how your times/traps compare.


I dont even see a stage 2.5 on their site!? Can someone give me a link?

Yeah, but what were your 60' and ET's? Its the whole combination of being on 18", being over 3400 lbs, being at low boost, only having a tbe and up pipe, and having 1.95 60' and still hitting a 12.8@105.9.
3 of the 4 other times I listed the guys have 60' that are over 0.200 quicker and they are running the same ET and trap.
Its the whole picture thats raising the questions not just the 108 mph trap (which I really believe is a fluke).
So please post your slips of all your runs. If you have other runs with at least a 107mph trap i might believe hitting 108 once, but just jumping from 105.9, 106 to 108 isnt likely. Unless its a 107.5 and you rounded up?
But on the other hand it almost seems like you NEED the extra power and should be trapping 108 everytime to be able to run the 12.8 with the 1.95 60'.
Im gonna go out on a limb here and say...


You are a stunt donkey.

that is all.

~v6

Im gonna go out on a limb here and say...


You are a stunt donkey.

that is all.

~v6

:lol: ROFLMAO!!!

OK, carry on... ;)

Bren, what time of day did you make this run? The wind definetly shifted later in the afternoon.

like 1-2 o clock, i did it during the raffle, got add and hopped in the car and then ended up winning 2 prizes later :lol:

i only got 3 runs in that werent missed gears and those were the 2 12s and the 108 trap, and it was 90 something degrees out then

oh and i ran 13.3@85 i let off cuz i saw low boost and stepped on the brakes at the 1000 foot, was awesome

oh and i ran 13.3@85 i let off cuz i saw low boost and stepped on the brakes at the 1000 foot, was awesome

u mean u got knock... like you said in the first post ;)

~v6

FWIW, I went from a days best trap of 105.35mph between about 10:30am-12:30pm to 107.04mph at a little after 2pm. You could see that the flag went from being a head wind, to nil, and at some points even being a tail wind from about 1pm on.

I also ran faster times in the afternoon at last years meet. Added about 1-2mph and took off .2-.5

Pete

I think the earth spins faster in the afternoon.

u mean u got knock... like you said in the first post ;)

~v6

both.

i thought it would be faster then a 12.8

i thought it would be faster then a 12.8

look at the 60 ft and trap speed :lol:

It was 90 something degrees out then

where Arizona :banana:


I didn't realize it was 90