UPDATE 10.28.2005: Trap speed of 105.58 tonight, stock clutch is done.



Today I reached my goal.

Almost a year ago I vowed to get a 12 second pass with a UNTOUCHED TDO4.


Today thanks to Exeter Subaru ( www.subaruwrxparts.com ) I got my chance.

Exeter Subaru rented New England Dragway NED fro the day.

Last year @ this same event my best pass was a 13.39 @ 100.75 mph with some minor weight reduction.

Since then I have added some things and changed engine management from Cobb Accessport to TurboXS UTEC.

Todays run:

R/T ... .568
60' ... 1.770
330 ... 5.273
1/8 ... 8.212
MPH ... 83.80
1000 ... 10.778
1/4 ... 12.941
MPH ... 104.31

Vehicle weight 3300 lbs with me in the car.

I was flirting with 13.1-13.0 all day but I finally put it together @ 2:09

I never had a chance to do any weight reduction. Although I never have an Air conditioner and the trunk is always without the spare.





Thanks to TheMadScientist, dude I owe you.
davenoob, doogdog and others thanks for getting me there.

Today I reached my goal.

Almost a year ago I vowed to get a 12 second pass with a UNTOUCHED TDO4.


Today thanks to Exeter Subaru ( www.subaruwrxparts.com (http://www.subaruwrxparts.com) ) I got my chance.

Exeter Subaru rented New England Dragway NED fro the day.

Last year @ this same event my best pass was a 13.39 @ 100.75 mph with some minor weight reduction.

Since then I have added some things and changed engine management from Cobb Accessport to TurboXS UTEC.

Todays run:

R/T ... .568
60' ... 1.770
330 ... 5.273
1/8 ... 8.212
MPH ... 83.80
1000 ... 10.778
1/4 ... 12.941
MPH ... 104.31

Vehicle weight 3300 lbs with me in the car.

I was flirting with 13.1-13.0 all day but I finally put it together @ 2:09

I never had a chance to do any weight reduction. Although I never have an Air conditioner and the trunk is always without the spare.





Thanks to TheMadScientist, dude I owe you.

With the way you were driving there is more left in it. Just need to massage it out.

Congrats on hitting your goal. NOW WILL YOU JUST PUT A TURBO ON IT!!!!!1!!! :)

TMS

Congrats on your run, running 12's on a WRX using stock turbo is hard..


How much do you weight?, how much gas you had on the car?.

My WRX weighted 3042lbs with 1/8 gas tank(not me on it) however I had a full turboback(wich saves a lot of weight), I also had borla headers(much much lighter than stock headers) and CAI which also takes a few pounds.

I forgot the scale was broken it was @ 142lbs not @ 0 lbs I forgot to subtract that weight.

I weigh about 170lbs


I edited the first post

so if a 500whp car runs mid 13's, we can assume you are making, what? 700whp?

After all, dynos dont lie right?;)

I would like to get down to TDC tuning shortly ;)

chris HOW THE CRAP DID U GET A 1.77 i had wheelspin ALLLLLLLLL day.

chris i wish someone video'd our run! that was a sick heat.

Chris - I was really impressed with how smoothly you were leaving the line. No bucking or bogging - Nice job!!! Doogdog and I were literally jumping up and down when we saw the time from the lower lot.
Nice work, kudos to your crew (unofficial as it may be (TMS and others )).

_zornorph

chris HOW THE CRAP DID U GET A 1.77 i had wheelspin ALLLLLLLLL day.

chris i wish someone video'd our run! that was a sick heat.


bren, believe it or not but as I focused on trying to get a .500 R/T my concentration level for the whole run increased.

so if a 500whp car runs mid 13's, we can assume you are making, what? 700whp?

After all, dynos dont lie right?;)

What are you talking about? 500whp, 700whp, what topic or subject are you addressing with your comments?


The topic is 1/4 mile related, I don't know why you are making comments about 500whp 700whp for.

What are you trying to express?

What are you talking about? 500whp, 700whp, what topic or subject are you addressing with your comments?


The topic is 1/4 mile related, I don't know why you are making comments about 500whp 700whp for.

What are you trying to express?


Excuse DAVENOOB

What he is trying to do is make a comparison to all of the high WHP dyno cars that cannot get into the 12's or claim uber high WHP and get a slow MPH or ET

modlist? who tuned it?

great times, congrats!

Themadscientist has done all of my UTEC tuning. I wouldn't have it another way.

Nice work man, I ran my first 12 just before you went. Must've been the right time of day. My first day at the track so I was stoked.

R/T ... .790
60' ... 1.836
330 ... 5.402
1/8 ... 8.325
MPH ... 84.22
1000 ... 10.838
1/4 ... 12.957
MPH ... 107.04

Excuse DAVENOOB

What he is trying to do is make a comparison to all of the high WHP dyno cars that cannot get into the 12's or claim uber high WHP and get a slow MPH or ET

ohhhh. Ok I got ya! Yeah, it makes sense, a lot of people like myself that could not even break into the 12's with way more mods.

my experience in numbers:


03 WRX more than $8000 spent on engine upgrades+labor+tunning(not including money wasted when 14k stock tranny broke twice)

Forced Performance 18G Turbo(Ported and Polished)
PE 650 injectors
Walbro 255LPH
Turbo Xs UTEC
TurboXS TMIC
Turbo XS Up-Pipe
Turbo Xs MBC
TurboXS BOV
Factory fitted optional short throw shifter
STI scoop
Borla headers
HKS 3" Downpipe
Greddy EVO II 3" cat back
Injen CAI
All 3 cats removed
Lineage grounding cables
Samco Intercooler hoses

Tunned by Clark(AZ Scoobie) at www.Dyno-comp.com

280.3WHP(91oct gas @18psi) on a DynoDynamic car weighted 3042lbs with 1/8 gas
best 1/4 mile time EVER 13.266@104.1 (SIR Tucson) 6 june 2004


I ran a best of 13.78@98.99 (SIR , Tucson) with:


Stock turbo
TurboXS TMIC
Turbo XS Up-Pipe
Turbo Xs MBC
TurboXS BOV
Factory fitted optional short throw shifter
STI scoop
Borla headers
HKS 3" Downpipe
Greddy EVO II 3" cat back
Injen CAI
All 3 cats removed
Lineage grounding cables
Samco Intercooler hoses

So , yeah, a 12.9 is a heck of a time for a stock turbo

here is the mod list that applies:


GFB pullies
Optima red top battery
Speedmonkee grounding kit
Zero/sports cooling plate
Samco radiator hoses
Samco ancillary hoses
Apex'i short ram intake
Zero/sports intake pipe
Samco Turbo inlet hose
GM boost controll selenoid
Cusco heat shield wrapped in thermotec
Samco intercooler hoses
TurboXS ver II TMIC
SMC alcohol injection kit
Throttle body bypass mod
NGK BKR7E copper plugs
APS 3" to 2.5" turboback with cat
TurboXS UTEC

stock wheels, tires, and lugs
aluminum control arms
Whiteline heavy duty front end links
Whiteline front sway bar
Whiteline ALK
removed A/C
GT-Spec ladder bar
pressed in Group N bushing set
Group N top hats
Sti version 7 struts and springs
Whiteline rear end links
Whitleine rear sway bar
Whiteline subframe lock
Kartboy hangers
Whiteline steering rack bushings
empty trunk

best 1/4 mile time EVER 13.266@104.1 (SIR Tucson) 6 june 2004

no worries, more practice and you'll be sturraight - that trap tells you that you got 12s just waiting for you

SIR is probably one of the slowest tracks in the country (3100 feet and hot) in the summer. Not exactly apples to apples.

12's on the stock turbo is just about amazing - congrat's.

can't compliment you enough on your determination - this is rarely seen... congrats!

not to take away from your impressive driving, but IMO this is probably the smartest move you made...


... changed engine management from Cobb Accessport to TurboXS UTEC. ...

Congrats man, thats flying.

I think I have lost all faith in the Accessport at this point...

Anyways, job well done my friend. I am very impressed.

~v6

But of course...accessport is in no way ment for all of those mods. That and the fact that you cant tune it makes changing engine management a must to go for a super fast stock turbo time.

I was speaking in regaurds to the STi (that i went to the track in) with AP... but ok :)

~v6

Yeah, i know what your talking about...sti ap's usually blow chunks. Im definately gonna love me some ecutek when i have posession of my sti.

i cant get over how bad they are...

even when u can get them to work right... they still suck.

:lol:

~v6

Wow, good job on gettin your money's worth out of that turbo...

If you did this with a stock turbo, I'd be scared to see what you can do with a higher HP application.. :eek:

Are you also running the stock WRX transmission and clutch? If so, how many runs have you made and do you bang your gears? How else would you be able to when doing it as fast as possible with your 1-2 shift? Damn nice job! :)

-alan

great times!

Are you also running the stock WRX transmission and clutch? If so, how many runs have you made and do you bang your gears? How else would you be able to when doing it as fast as possible with your 1-2 shift? Damn nice job! :)

-alan


Stock transmission stock clutch 52k on them both.

I really don't think I was banging my gears @ all.

thanks

Excellent time for an untouched turbo. I too however would be interested in seeing some dyno numbers in comparison to these 1/4 times. I run an untouched TD04 and stock injectors and put down 256whp on my EJ20 yet can’t break high 13’s with my setup.

What RPM were you launching at and I assume you’re using LC?
Also, what were the weather conditions and is the strip typically considered a “fast” course?

Great job :D

What are you talking about? 500whp, 700whp, what topic or subject are you addressing with your comments?


The topic is 1/4 mile related, I don't know why you are making comments about 500whp 700whp for.

What are you trying to express?
Excuse DAVENOOB

What he is trying to do is make a comparison to all of the high WHP dyno cars that cannot get into the 12's or claim uber high WHP and get a slow MPH or ET

No, I am speaking of one particular car.
just shy of 500whp
Just over 500ft/lbs

Just shy of 14's:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


These dyno guys make me laugh. Zero to excuses in 4.7 seconds

very nice run!

WI kit here i come... :devil:

So, how do you like the SMC alcohol injection kit? I was thinking of getting it for myself.

So, how do you like the SMC alcohol injection kit? I was thinking of getting it for myself.

Do it. Its amazing.

Not to take away from this since i only run 12.7's with a ginormous turbo, but isnt the alcohol injection just like adding nos?
Couple of people have run 12.0's on the stock turbo with nos.

Stock Turbo + Nitrous
Overall
AWD1320 1.563 60'
12.052@111.91 with Nitrous 75 shot 3/23/03

STEALTH-WRX 1.762 60'
12.068 @111.53 With Nitrous 95 shot wet
at fomoso raceway august 10, 2002

quallcom stadium (8/7/02) 1/8 mile
7.6@93.36

Stock Turbo only near sea level (less than 1600 ft altitude)


Quicktime 1.742 60'
12.78@106.62 Atco 3/23/04

O Stylee 1.739 60'
12.906@104.15 Maryland Intl Raceway 9/20/04

IWRXIT 1.82 60'
12.967@105.65 Bremerton Raceway Wa 4/9/04

Quick scooby 1.86 60'
12.97@103.61 Temple Academy Dragway Tx 2/07/03

Carlo 1.843 60'
12.981@107.00 Atco 5/31/2002


12.9$500rex 1.781 60'
12.989 @ 102.99 US 41 Dragway 12/05/04


Hassassin 1.784 60'
12.9@102 Etown 11/15/03

Near miss runs

Dug-e-fresh 60' 1.836
13.097 @ 103.11 Cecil County Dragway May 3 2002

JaMes W 60' 1.816
13.071 @ 101.80 Atco 15 Mar 05


Stock turbo only at high altitude 5800 ft

Hotrod 60' 1.787
13.239 @ 102.85 Bandimere 6/23/04

Sea level equivalent according to NHRA correction factors:

13.239 ~= 12.844
102.85 ~= 105.74

Dustin AKA moorewrx 1.801 ? 60'
13.633 @99.89 Bandimere 9/23/02

Slatera666 1.883 60'
13.706@98.79 Bandimere 4/17/04
*ported turbo by FP


Unconfirmed
marksWRX03 1.796 60'
12.560@108.86 unknown strip, Tampa Fla area 01/17/04

(use of nitrous cannot be determined, as it has been neither confirmed or denied. Only the following stated to be stock, turbo, IC, tranny, clutch, ecu. Using 110 octane fuel, alleged to have been run on a slipping clutch )



http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=527449&page=2&pp=25

alchohol injection may be somewhat LIKE nos, but it isn't the same thing.

obviously.

Not to take away from this since i only run 12.7's with a ginormous turbo, but isnt the alcohol injection just like adding nos?
Couple of people have run 12.0's on the stock turbo with nos.



http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=527449&page=2&pp=25

IMO no N2O is a power adder and injects more O2 than normal air. The WI just allows a much more agressive tune and raises the det threshold of the fuel used. It is more like using C16 than N2O. Just my $0.02

TMS

Congrats man, thats flying.

I think I have lost all faith in the Accessport at this point...

Anyways, job well done my friend. I am very impressed.

~v6

I think the smooth finish on the paint had to do with this. :D :banana:

Congrats Chris!

Very nice, Chris, congrats. Hopefully I can make 12s this summer too!

so if a 500whp car runs mid 13's, we can assume you are making, what? 700whp?

After all, dynos dont lie right?;)

That's not funny.

Excellent time for an untouched turbo. I too however would be interested in seeing some dyno numbers in comparison to these 1/4 times. I run an untouched TD04 and stock injectors and put down 256whp on my EJ20 yet can’t break high 13’s with my setup.

What RPM were you launching at and I assume you’re using LC?
Also, what were the weather conditions and is the strip typically considered a “fast” course?

Great job :D

thanks,

I won some dyno time last week @ the Wicked Big Meet in MA, so I will find out soon.

I launched @ 4000 rpm on that pass. NO LAUNCH CONTROL
Weather was 60 degrees? mostly cloudy
I don't think of NED as a fast track. Hell a lot of people were complaining of the track being slippery.

Congrats on your run

Stock Turbo + Nitrous
Overall
AWD1320 1.563 60'
12.052@111.91 with Nitrous 75 shot 3/23/03

STEALTH-WRX 1.762 60'
12.068 @111.53 With Nitrous 95 shot wet
at fomoso raceway august 10, 2002

quallcom stadium (8/7/02) 1/8 mile
7.6@93.36

Stock Turbo only near sea level (less than 1600 ft altitude)


Quicktime 1.742 60'
12.78@106.62 Atco 3/23/04

O Stylee 1.739 60'
12.906@104.15 Maryland Intl Raceway 9/20/04

Amazake 1.770 60'
12.941@104.31 New England Dragway 5/19/05

IWRXIT 1.82 60'
12.967@105.65 Bremerton Raceway Wa 4/9/04

Quick scooby 1.86 60'
12.97@103.61 Temple Academy Dragway Tx 2/07/03

Carlo 1.843 60'
12.981@107.00 Atco 5/31/2002


12.9$500rex 1.781 60'
12.989 @ 102.99 US 41 Dragway 12/05/04


Hassassin 1.784 60'
12.9@102 Etown 11/15/03

Near miss runs

Dug-e-fresh 60' 1.836
13.097 @ 103.11 Cecil County Dragway May 3 2002

JaMes W 60' 1.816
13.071 @ 101.80 Atco 15 Mar 05


Stock turbo only at high altitude 5800 ft

Hotrod 60' 1.787
13.239 @ 102.85 Bandimere 6/23/04

Sea level equivalent according to NHRA correction factors:

13.239 ~= 12.844
102.85 ~= 105.74

Dustin AKA moorewrx 1.801 ? 60'
13.633 @99.89 Bandimere 9/23/02

Slatera666 1.883 60'
13.706@98.79 Bandimere 4/17/04
*ported turbo by FP


Unconfirmed
marksWRX03 1.796 60'
12.560@108.86 unknown strip, Tampa Fla area 01/17/04

(use of nitrous cannot be determined, as it has been neither confirmed or denied. Only the following stated to be stock, turbo, IC, tranny, clutch, ecu. Using 110 octane fuel, alleged to have been run on a slipping clutch )

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y270/amazake/DSC01738.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y270/amazake/NEDcar091.jpg

Fixed it for you. You gotta go in with the nitrous category, if not then everyone goes in one category.
Is that a dude or a chick with the headset on? :lol:
Stock Turbo + Nitrous or Water Injection or Alcohol Injection
AWD1320 1.563 60'
12.052@111.91 with Nitrous 75 shot 3/23/03

STEALTH-WRX 1.762 60'
12.068 @111.53 With Nitrous 95 shot wet
at fomoso raceway august 10, 2002

Amazake 1.770 60'
12.941@104.31 New England Dragway 5/19/05
SMC Alcohol Injection Kit

quallcom stadium (8/7/02) 1/8 mile
7.6@93.36

Stock Turbo only near sea level (less than 1600 ft altitude)


Quicktime 1.742 60'
12.78@106.62 Atco 3/23/04

O Stylee 1.739 60'
12.906@104.15 Maryland Intl Raceway 9/20/04

IWRXIT 1.82 60'
12.967@105.65 Bremerton Raceway Wa 4/9/04

Quick scooby 1.86 60'
12.97@103.61 Temple Academy Dragway Tx 2/07/03

Carlo 1.843 60'
12.981@107.00 Atco 5/31/2002


12.9$500rex 1.781 60'
12.989 @ 102.99 US 41 Dragway 12/05/04


Hassassin 1.784 60'
12.9@102 Etown 11/15/03

Near miss runs

Dug-e-fresh 60' 1.836
13.097 @ 103.11 Cecil County Dragway May 3 2002

JaMes W 60' 1.816
13.071 @ 101.80 Atco 15 Mar 05


Stock turbo only at high altitude 5800 ft

Hotrod 60' 1.787
13.239 @ 102.85 Bandimere 6/23/04

Sea level equivalent according to NHRA correction factors:

13.239 ~= 12.844
102.85 ~= 105.74

Dustin AKA moorewrx 1.801 ? 60'
13.633 @99.89 Bandimere 9/23/02

Slatera666 1.883 60'
13.706@98.79 Bandimere 4/17/04
*ported turbo by FP


Unconfirmed
marksWRX03 1.796 60'
12.560@108.86 unknown strip, Tampa Fla area 01/17/04

(use of nitrous cannot be determined, as it has been neither confirmed or denied. Only the following stated to be stock, turbo, IC, tranny, clutch, ecu. Using 110 octane fuel, alleged to have been run on a slipping clutch )

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y270/amazake/DSC01738.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y270/amazake/NEDcar091.jpg

No, that was a chick :eek:

As far as saying WI or AI is the same as Nitrous you are completely wrong. If you went out and bought a nitrous kit and installed it your car would be faster the second you added the shot. Buy a WI or AI kit install it. The car does not get any faster.

No, that was a chick :eek:

As far as saying WI or AI is the same as Nitrous you are completely wrong. If you went out and bought a nitrous kit and installed it your car would be faster the second you added the shot. Buy a WI or AI kit install it. The car does not get any faster.

Yea will actually get slower.. It is like running a higher octane gas, comparing it to nitrous is boneheaded..

Good job man! Very respectable times!

No, that was a chick :eek:

As far as saying WI or AI is the same as Nitrous you are completely wrong. If you went out and bought a nitrous kit and installed it your car would be faster the second you added the shot. Buy a WI or AI kit install it. The car does not get any faster.
It does once you tune it, if it didnt why would you have it? Whats the difference in that and finely tuning a direct port nitrous setup?

I understand the power is coming from different places. The nos is an oxidizer and allows you to combust more fuel, where as the wi allows you to lean out the rich a/f as you increase boost (i think).
My point was that either you categorize the shiiiit out of the stock turbo record or just have one category.
If you seperate nos, you have to seperate wi, then race gas vs pump gas, etc.

This dyno plot is without water injection at about 23 psi. 430 whp.

If I ran it with water injection at 27 psi in its current state of tune then we would be around 485 whp. I'm currently running 27 psi at about 12:1 AFR and ignition timing is up about 4 degrees at peak power. I'll put it on the dyno when I feel it's fully tuned.

Thanks,
Phil
www.elementtuning.com
If you can bolt on a 50 shot and get 50 whp or bolt on a WI kit and tune it and get 55 whp, I really dont see the difference.
IMO, there is no difference in bolting on a tbe or a 50 shot. You're putting on a power adder to make your car go faster, period.

I understand the power is coming from different places. The nos is an oxidizer and allows you to combust more fuel, where as the wi allows you to lean out the rich a/f as you increase boost (i think).

You seem to know what you are talking about. But you just don't get it. N2O changes the O2% of the air used WI does not.
WI is just like race gas.




IMO, there is no difference in bolting on a tbe or a 50 shot. You're putting on a power adder to make your car go faster, period.

And this proves it. Saying a TBE and N2O is the same is looney.

TMS

You seem to know what you are talking about. But you just don't get it. N2O changes the O2% of the air used WI does not.
WI is just like race gas.

And this proves it. Saying a TBE and N2O is the same is looney.

TMS
My point is that everything we add (intakes, bigger turbos, exhausts, nos, water injection) we add to make more power to go faster. It is just silly to me that nos is so taboo and the guys have to be put into a seperate category.
Someone could put a 125 shot on a stock wrx and run around the same time for $3-400.
But we think he's stupid compared to the people that spend this:
$1200 TBE
$ 500 Headers
$ 150 Up pipe
$ 100 boost controller
$1000 EM
$1000 FMIC
grounding kit, intake, fuel pump, injectors, turbo inlet pipe, intercooler hoses, etc to run the same time.
I want to bolt a couple JATO's (jet assissted take off) to my car and run down the track. Do i need special clearance from the track to have rockets on my car?

Its pointless to argue this. We all have our own opinions, but I think if you point out the people who have nos you have to point point out those that have WI also.

After looking at that list again I still cant get over the 2 WRX's in PR running 11.8 and 12.0 with the vf39, no nitrous, c16, stock trannies, stock blocks. Just crazy.

My point is that everything we add (intakes, bigger turbos, exhausts, nos, water injection) we add to make more power to go faster. It is just silly to me that nos is so taboo and the guys have to be put into a seperate category.
Someone could put a 125 shot on a stock wrx and run around the same time for $3-400.
But we think he's stupid compared to the people that spend this:
$1200 TBE
$ 500 Headers
$ 150 Up pipe
$ 100 boost controller
$1000 EM
$1000 FMIC
grounding kit, intake, fuel pump, injectors, turbo inlet pipe, intercooler hoses, etc to run the same time.
I want to bolt a couple JATO's (jet assissted take off) to my car and run down the track. Do i need special clearance from the track to have rockets on my car?

Its pointless to argue this. We all have our own opinions, but I think if you point out the people who have nos you have to point point out those that have WI also.

After looking at that list again I still cant get over the 2 WRX's in PR running 11.8 and 12.0 with the vf39, no nitrous, c16, stock trannies, stock blocks. Just crazy.

Do you take yourself seriously? So c16 is not like nitrous, but WI is? Give it a rest.. Nitrous is added to make more power, race gas is still needed to run it safely.. WI is used as a safty margin for an agressive tune..

Do you take yourself seriously? So c16 is not like nitrous, but WI is? Give it a rest.. Nitrous is added to make more power, race gas is still needed to run it safely.. WI is used as a safty margin for an agressive tune..
I never said c16 wasnt like nitrous. I said a power adder is a power adder, period. So why single out nitrous and nothing else?
If you have a stock turbo and you ran the time, then you ran the time. Full mod lists or no mod lists. Singling out the 2 nos guys just doesnt make sense to me.

how about a WI/AI list as well? and great runs man!

Amazake,
Whats the throttle body bypass mod?
What octane gas did you use? I looked back through and didnt see it mentioned.
If it was pump, get TMS to give you a c16 tune and bust out an 11 for us.
I said this in another thread recently about the c16. Seems like all the dyno charts I see for STi's are on c16, but all the ej205 dyno charts are mostly on pump. is there a reason for this?

an 11?

You are such a joker sometimes it cracks me up.

I can only PRAY you are joking... but I highly doubt it.




If reality is here >|< .................................................. ......................you are over here ------>

:)

~v6

SIR is probably one of the slowest tracks in the country (3100 feet and hot) in the summer. Not exactly apples to apples.

12's on the stock turbo is just about amazing - congrat's.

Similar to LACR in Lancaster California. 3,000+ ft and over 90 degrees in the summer ... at 9 pm!! :eek:

Adrian~

Congratulations, good job. I will add you to the "original quick stock turbo" thread.



I said a power adder is a power adder, period. So why single out nitrous and nothing else?
If you have a stock turbo and you ran the time, then you ran the time. Full mod lists or no mod lists. Singling out the 2 nos guys just doesnt make sense to me.

Because the use of Nitrous adds oxygen to the air charge. The whole point of trying to run a max performance run on a specific turbo configuration is that by definition you have a hard ceiling on how much oxygen the engine can ingest, and that places a hard limit on how much power you can make (within the limits of your tuning skill). The same rational as the WRC using intake restrictors on their turbos.

Total max oxygen intake is the limiting factor to how much fuel you can burn. WI does not add any oxygen other than what can be flowed by the turbo. It simply improves the tuners ability to utilize the airflow potential that the turbo has.

WI is not a "power adder" it is a power enabler, meaning it allows you to get power that is already available, but unusable due to the onset of detonation, or due to a less than ideal tune, or lower engine VE due to high intake air temp.

I have seen no need to note WI usage on the thread, but if the community thinks it would be useful I will consider it. I ran my high altitude time with WI as well.

Larry

too bad i didn't have a camera of ur face when u showed me your time slip! haha congrats.....i was waiting to hear some good news from you then at the end i found out. To get that time you had to miss your raffle prize :lol:

According to this calculation, my car sucks on a dynometer.

HP=((trapspeed/228.4)^3) * weight
HP * .75 = WHP

((104.34mph / 228.4)^3) * 3300lbs = 314.614068hp
314.614068hp * .75 = 235.960551whp

Because the use of Nitrous adds oxygen to the air charge. The whole point of trying to run a max performance run on a specific turbo configuration is that by definition you have a hard ceiling on how much oxygen the engine can ingest, and that places a hard limit on how much power you can make (within the limits of your tuning skill). The same rational as the WRC using intake restrictors on their turbos.

Total max oxygen intake is the limiting factor to how much fuel you can burn.
Thank you. Thats what I was looking for. An explanation of thinking behind it, not just a "You are a retard, they are nothing alike, WI wont make the car faster."


WI does not add any oxygen other than what can be flowed by the turbo.
Really? Last time I checked it was H2O . ;) And nitrous oxide is N2O. Seems like they have the same number of O molecules.

an 11?
You are such a joker sometimes it cracks me up.
I can only PRAY you are joking... but I highly doubt it.

If reality is here >|< .................................................. ......................you are over here ------>

:)

~v6
I'm not straight to the right, I'm down a little too.

Here i fixed it for you.
If it was pump, get TMS to give you a c16 tune and add a 50 shot and bust out an 11 for us.


Is that better? You dont think 100 whp will get you 0.9 in the 1/4?
Stock WRX's were dynoing 135 whp on ESX's dyno and I dynoed 205 whp with my vf34 and ran 13.00. My best time with the stock turbo, catback and K&n drop in was 14.4. So I gained 1.4 seconds in the 1/4 with 65 whp. But with the stock turbo i guess his gains wouldnt be as much going to c16. But everyone with larger turbos seems to gain around 100whp going to c16.
I didnt think that statement was that far off reality, but my assumption was that he would gain 100 whp with a c16 tune. Based on that would an 11.99 be totally out of the question?

Really? Last time I checked it was H2O . And nitrous oxide is N2O. Seems like they have the same number of O molecules.

That's the only thing the have in common, the oxygen in N2O is not tightly bonded and will dissasociate to become free oxygen at about 500 deg F. This releases oxygen that can combine with hydrogen and carbon from the fuel releasing additional energy from combustion of available fuel. Water does not yield free oxygen when heated, the oxygen is very tightly bonded to the hydrogen --- there is no net energy gain from the combustion of additional fuel that would not have burned without the presence of the water.

Larry

Larry do you have a link to "The List"?
TMS

That's the only thing the have in common, the oxygen in N2O is not tightly bonded and will dissasociate to become free oxygen at about 500 deg F. This releases oxygen that can combine with hydrogen and carbon from the fuel releasing additional energy from combustion of available fuel. Water does not yield free oxygen when heated, the oxygen is very tightly bonded to the hydrogen --- there is no net energy gain from the combustion of additional fuel that would not have burned without the presence of the water.
Larry
Thats interesting. I was thinking that since the water was a vapor/gas above 200F that some of the oxygen would be able to be used for combustion.
Thanks Again

C-16 only goes so far for a turbo so small and ineffecient.

Wow, that's an impressive feat!

Nice run dude.
the sRt-4 is f4st3r.....Just kidding. :)

Nice run dude.
the sRt-4 is f4st3r.....Just kidding. :)

Why kid? We all know the SRT is fastererest of all fastarer cars evar!!!

I'm not straight to the right, I'm down a little too.

Here i fixed it for you.


Is that better? You dont think 100 whp will get you 0.9 in the 1/4?
Stock WRX's were dynoing 135 whp on ESX's dyno and I dynoed 205 whp with my vf34 and ran 13.00. My best time with the stock turbo, catback and K&n drop in was 14.4. So I gained 1.4 seconds in the 1/4 with 65 whp. But with the stock turbo i guess his gains wouldnt be as much going to c16. But everyone with larger turbos seems to gain around 100whp going to c16.
I didnt think that statement was that far off reality, but my assumption was that he would gain 100 whp with a c16 tune. Based on that would an 11.99 be totally out of the question?
You made those gains because you SUCK at driving?

I cant believe after all this time you still really dont get it :D
It takes a TON more power to go from 13.0 to 11.9 than it does to go from 14.5 to 13.5. like a TON more.

:)

~v6

Larry do you have a link to "The List"?

Its posted on page two --

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=527449&page=2&pp=25

Larry

Its posted on page two --

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=527449&page=2&pp=25

Larry

Thanks

TMS

I want to have your babies!


jk...nice run!

Ah groupies.....

chris, i didn't say it earlier, but nice going...

:)

ken

good job

Congrats on hitting your goal. NOW WILL YOU JUST PUT A TURBO ON IT!!!!!1!!! :)

TMS


Nope :)

now leave it alone and enjoy it...

:D

~v6

Is there going to be a Subaru/Evo shootout in Englishtown this year?

You made those gains because you SUCK at driving?

I cant believe after all this time you still really dont get it :D
~v6
I'm fully aware that I suck at driving.
Check out these times: catback & k&n drop in
60' 2.24 2.101
1/8 9.411 9.41
1/4 14.491 14.5

I couldnt possibly claim to be a good driver with a 2.24 60' could I? And I dont think i ever have claimed to be a good driver. But I'm certainly not the worst driver either. Those times were done at LACR. And I have seen around 30 WRX's run there and be in the high 15's all night long.

Is there going to be a Subaru/Evo shootout in Englishtown this year?


Anybody know if there is or not?

What are the classes of cars?

Congrats man, thats flying.

I think I have lost all faith in the Accessport at this point...

Anyways, job well done my friend. I am very impressed.

~v6


my 13.071 @ 101.80 and 13.173@102.41 was with a cobb accessport

my 13.071 @ 101.80 and 13.173@102.41 was with a cobb accessport
ReallY?!! AP Stage 2? Wow that is quite impressive but you are probably alone on those results.

^^^ I don't know about that, I'd figure 13.1 is certainly attainable ... My car was running a consistent 13.4-13.6 @ 100.50-101.50 with 1.93(avg) 60' ... If my 60' times could be lower around 1.8, and consistent ... I'd be 13.2 @ mid 102's all day, but it eludes me currently ...

Amazake-
Congrats on the 12...........I knew you would do it! Let me know if you need anything.
-SMC

sorry this is so late but congrats on the 12 sec pass :banana: i've got the smc kit and the last time at the track the slip went like this

60' 1.99
1/8et 8.53
1/8mph 83.60
1/4 et 13.28
1/4 mph 102.98

yes i know that 60' sucks and its not my normal 1.78-1.85, had a new clutch put in (spec stage1) and was still working how best to launch her since triing at 4500rpms was bogging the hell out of it so went up a 1k and she liked that alot better. i've had to tune this car pretty much myself with some help from some friends but since we don't have a awd dyno up here to get a pro tune, which sucks :furious: but i figure if i'd a had a 1.7 60' i'd would have been around atleast a 13.05 or so, well i've got a few more track days left before they close at the beginning of sept. to try for a 12if i make it cool if not then i'll have to try again next season before my 16g goes in.


mike

sorry this is so late but congrats on the 12 sec pass :banana: i've got the smc kit and the last time at the track the slip went like this

60' 1.99
1/8et 8.53
1/8mph 83.60
1/4 et 13.28
1/4 mph 102.98

yes i know that 60' sucks and its not my normal 1.78-1.85, had a new clutch put in (spec stage1) and was still working how best to launch her since triing at 4500rpms was bogging the hell out of it so went up a 1k and she liked that alot better. i've had to tune this car pretty much myself with some help from some friends but since we don't have a awd dyno up here to get a pro tune, which sucks :furious: but i figure if i'd a had a 1.7 60' i'd would have been around atleast a 13.05 or so, well i've got a few more track days left before they close at the beginning of sept. to try for a 12if i make it cool if not then i'll have to try again next season before my 16g goes in.


mike

His car has had NO dyno tuning. None just some quick tuning on the street. :)

TMS

Update

I made a run @ the record tonight:

I had a first run of 13.2 @ 105.58MPH with a 2.093 60'
Next runs were nothing but a puff of smoke, the stock clutch finally gave out on me.
It wouldn't grab until 4th gear ......

The power is there, the clutch is not. Good thing is I get to play another day.

Thanks again to TheMadScientist for another great ROAD TUNE.

very nice trap, good luck

grab another stock clutch, save your gears. clutchcityonline.com, <250 bucks.

i grabbed an act streetlight fly at the same time. got both for <500.

according to some calculations i've seen, the lw fly gives you the equivalent of chopping off almost 200 lbs from the car in 1st gear. only downsides are 250 bucks and decel noise is louder.

ken

His car has had NO dyno tuning. None just some quick tuning on the street. :)

TMS


LIAR!!!!!!!!! Thats unpossible!!!!!!!! You need a rotated mount and a big fmic and 5475489234893729487 hours of road tuning and most importantly, a big meaningless dyno sheet to run fast


I would just like all you dyno queens with "500whp" sheets and gt999999RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR's that run 13's, to well.. Just end yourselves

Here is me at you:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Congrats on having a car and a tuner that produce ACTUAL RESULTS unlike 95% of the jackoffs in this forum :D

LIAR!!!!!!!!! Thats unpossible!!!!!!!! You need a rotated mount and a big fmic and 5475489234893729487 hours of road tuning and most importantly, a big meaningless dyno sheet to run fast


I would just like all you dyno queens with "500whp" sheets and gt999999RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR's that run 13's, to well.. Just end yourselves

Here is me at you:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Congrats on having a car and a tuner that produce ACTUAL RESULTS unlike 95% of the jackoffs in this forum :D

UUUMMMMMM OK

haha yes. 500whp dyno queens are always interesting, esp when a certain crazy detailer romps on one with a lightly modded WRX.


hey dave, drop me a PM, i tried to give you a call the other day, and it said your phone had been disconnected. makes sense i guess, move to texas, get rid of the massachusetts cell #. or get on AIM. got some ideas i'd like to discuss with you

haha yes. 500whp dyno queens are always interesting, esp when a certain crazy detailer romps on one with a lightly modded WRX.


who is that certain car detailer :)

amazake, holy trap speed good work my friend!

thanks guys.

It is sad that an untouched stock turbo, that has run 12's and just trapped 105.58MPH on a burnt clutch, is only getting attention from NESIC guys.

Again, I want to thank all of the guys who have worked with me on the car. It is greatly appreciated.

nice trap! if you could put 2gether a nice 60ft, your there!

I know I can get @ least a 1.8 as I did so 15 or so times in the past the clutch is done. that 60ft was embarrasing

Does someone here want to recommend a clutch/flywheel and transmission for drag racing?

Does someone here want to recommend a clutch/flywheel and transmission for drag racing?


if you wanted to stay with a 5speed.....

PPG dogbox, kind of expensive

Kaaz straightcut 1-3 and stock 4/5. still expensive, but much better if you know how to rebuild a transmission (or figure $800 worth of labor to replace the gears and synchros)


honestly, for you chris, i'd say the kaaz. they are louder than stock gears, without a doubt, but you probably want to stay with a synchromesh transmission, simply because its a daily driver. dogboxes are fun, but double clutching everything and making sure you shift PERFECT all the time, especially if you're in traffic, is a wicked pain in the arse.

otherwise, 6speed's rock (hell, i want one)....but you're 1/4 times may go up, seeing as you will most definately have to shift an extra time.




for a clutch, ive hated every exedy ive ever driven (2 twindisc's and 1 hypersingle)

NOTHING beats a Tilton carbon clutch IMO. plenty of cushion for the driveline, will hold ridiculous amounts of power, take abuse ALL day long, be perfectly streetable.....AND will outlast 99% of clutches out there.
downside, is the cost (at least double that of a regular clutch)

Congrats on the trap, Chris. TMS posted a log or two of your car on WRXHackers and it looks good.

So whats the next step (besides basics like a new clutch)?

great times, congrats!

where is the mod list.

thanks guys.

It is sad that an untouched stock turbo, that has run 12's and just trapped 105.58MPH on a burnt clutch, is only getting attention from NESIC guys.

Again, I want to thank all of the guys who have worked with me on the car. It is greatly appreciated.

Out of curiosity, how much boost are you running? Any tuning tips for the rest of us? That trap speed is amazing, btw.

Congrats on the trap, Chris. TMS posted a log or two of your car on WRXHackers and it looks good.

So whats the next step (besides basics like a new clutch)?

I have a couple more tricks up my sleeve. ;) I think Chris will take the record next season. The power is there but he should have more next year. :)
Chris agreed to let me have my way with a die grinder on anything but the turbo. :lol:
It is a great feeling that his times and traps are right up there with shop cars that have had hours of dyno time, considering that his car has never been on a dyno.

TMS

It is a great feeling that his times and traps are right up there with shop cars that have had hours of dyno time,

unpossible! ;)

btw, if you use ethanol you can inject it right into the driver's mouth. it doesn't seem to change the trap speeds much but it does make it seem like you're going quite a bit faster.

:lol:

BTW I'm curious...what are the plugs gapped to?

:lol:

BTW I'm curious...what are the plugs gapped to?


Much bigger than anyone else recomends. :) If I told you I would have to kill you. :lol:


.038

TMS

my last swap went in at .035, fwiw.

waht the theory behind the big plug gaps?

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=803970&highlight=plug+gap
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=656590&highlight=plug+gap

Much bigger than anyone else recomends. :) If I told you I would have to kill you. :lol:

I'd like to find a good gap for our cars. I want to hit the dyno with the same tune and just swap plugs - new ones with 0.028 and new ones with 0.034 or something. Just for giggles the next time I change the plugs I'll run a wider gap :)

I just finally saw this Chris, congrats! I want a shot at it in your car ;)

I'd like to find a good gap for our cars. I want to hit the dyno with the same tune and just swap plugs - new ones with 0.028 and new ones with 0.034 or something. Just for giggles the next time I change the plugs I'll run a wider gap :)

Dial in a new set before you go to the dyno. That way you know the car will run with the bigger gap. You might be able to go bigger than you think. ;) Just remember that the bigger the gap more stress on the ignition system and the more often you will need to change the plugs to maintain the gap you have set.


TMS

thanks guys.

It is sad that an untouched stock turbo, that has run 12's and just trapped 105.58MPH on a burnt clutch, is only getting attention from NESIC guys.

Again, I want to thank all of the guys who have worked with me on the car. It is greatly appreciated.


That trap has my attention, very nice. Just out of curiousity what was your best run prior to the alch injection? Thanks and congrats.

mine too :), I wonder what this car would put down on a dyno... you saying it's never been on one makes me that much more curious

That trap has my attention, very nice. Just out of curiousity what was your best run prior to the alch injection? Thanks and congrats.

Well, The car went through some changes
I switched from Cobb Accessport stage II where I ran a 13.39 @ 100.75. I believe this is still, one of the quickest wrx 2.0L AP stage two times.

To TurboXS Utec
added TMIC
added short ram
added Samco inlet hose
added SMC kit
messed around with plug gaps
Ran 12.941 @ 104.31

returned to stock airbox
tuned car
ran 105.58 mph

mine too :), I wonder what this car would put down on a dyno... you saying it's never been on one makes me that much more curious

I really don't give a damn. :) I have a hour of dyno time due to me @ TDC tuning, but I am oncall @ work so wandering outside of the area for a few hours is a no-no.

What TMS and I really need is the dyno to fine tooth the tune, not a WHP #.

haha, i guess that bet is up chris, eh?

yea, i gotta convince mark to tune my car (pay him in waffles and beer?)...ive got some toys going in over the winter :)

Well, The car went through some changes
I switched from Cobb Accessport stage II where I ran a 13.39 @ 100.75. I believe this is still, one of the quickest wrx 2.0L AP stage two times.

To TurboXS Utec
added TMIC
added short ram
added Samco inlet hose
added SMC kit
messed around with plug gaps
Ran 12.941 @ 104.31

returned to stock airbox
tuned car
ran 105.58 mph


Thanks, and those are really good times for the AP as well. I asked the original question because I have similar mods and ran pretty consistent 13.3s@103 this summer and I plan to add the SMC kit over the winter. Just trying to get an idea of the gains to be had on the stocker.

Thats great

Well, The car went through some changes
I switched from Cobb Accessport stage II where I ran a 13.39 @ 100.75. I believe this is still, one of the quickest wrx 2.0L AP stage two times.


sorry mang

had a friend hit 12s on it

and a couple other friends hit 13.2 on it

I ran a 13.071 (http://photobucket.com/albums/v391/djorbit/Subiebeast/?action=view&current=atco3-15-05.jpg) with acessport. Do you know what mods your freind that hits 12's has?



sorry mang

had a friend hit 12s on it

and a couple other friends hit 13.2 on it

old access ecu map
K&n
hks downpipe/uppipe
boral catbak

front seat/rear taken out, but hes 280 lbs so it doesnt matter

Very good job...

UPDATE 10.28.2005: Trap speed of 105.58 tonight, stock clutch is done.



Today I reached my goal.

Almost a year ago I vowed to get a 12 second pass with a UNTOUCHED TDO4.


Today thanks to Exeter Subaru ( www.subaruwrxparts.com ) I got my chance.

Exeter Subaru rented New England Dragway NED fro the day.

Last year @ this same event my best pass was a 13.39 @ 100.75 mph with some minor weight reduction.

Since then I have added some things and changed engine management from Cobb Accessport to TurboXS UTEC.

Todays run:

R/T ... .568
60' ... 1.770
330 ... 5.273
1/8 ... 8.212
MPH ... 83.80
1000 ... 10.778
1/4 ... 12.941
MPH ... 104.31

Vehicle weight 3300 lbs with me in the car.

I was flirting with 13.1-13.0 all day but I finally put it together @ 2:09

I never had a chance to do any weight reduction. Although I never have an Air conditioner and the trunk is always without the spare.





Thanks to TheMadScientist, dude I owe you.
davenoob, doogdog and others thanks for getting me there.



....yea, and?

sorry mang

had a friend hit 12s on it

and a couple other friends hit 13.2 on it


I didn't say the fastest, I just said one of the quicker ones.

You love to try to stir the pot.

....yea, and?

This was a worthless post? :rolleyes:

I didn't say the fastest, I just said one of the quicker ones.

You love to try to stir the pot.

im not :) one thing i learned is that there are alot of fast subarus and life outside of nasioc.

theres a couple local guys on the "other" site with couple cobb stage 2's that have gone 13.0, and one in the 12s. Some of these people date back to access ecu.

....yea, and?

:lol: sure thing n00b!

Chris don't let the haters get you down!

Outstanding :bigok:

....yea, and?

:lol: If you only knew. :rolleyes:

TMS

sick chris. congrats to you and tms :) thats pretty damn fast

:lol: If you only knew. :rolleyes:

TMS


Lol, I just try to follow the phrase, "dream big" :lol:


:lol: sure thing n00b!

Chris don't let the haters get you down!

lmao.

:rolleyes:

is this a PROtuned AP you refer to? or OTS maps?

Is UTEC a lot better than access port? I've got a stock 02 wrx and I was thinking of doing an engine management then putting on an up pipe, down pipe, cat back exhaust, and intercooler hoses. What EM should I use and how plug and play is utec since I don't know how to tune or do anything... Thanks, also, what do you think a mod list like this would get me in the 1/4 mile?

Some of these people date back to access ecu....and some on the Unichip. Wow, I'm old. :lol:

To the OP: That's awesome man, good work. Don't mind the naysayers, they just have no clue how hard it is to hit good numbers on that little TD04.

Great driving, congrats on the 12sec. pass! i always wanted to get one with the stock turbo but never got there.. nice job man. id like to see you go deep with an upgraded turbo now!

Really? Last time I checked it was H2O . ;) And nitrous oxide is N2O. Seems like they have the same number of O molecules.

i just wanted to point out that thats totaly worng its H2O and NO2 nitrious has 2 moulucules of oxegen for every one in watter so, yeah its not the same

i just wanted to point out that thats totaly worng its H2O and NO2 nitrious has 2 moulucules of oxegen for every one in watter so, yeah its not the same

really?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitrous_oxide

looks to me like you'd better work on either

1) your fact-checking skills

or

2) enjoying the taste of your foot

ohhhh. Ok I got ya! Yeah, it makes sense, a lot of people like myself that could not even break into the 12's with way more mods.

my experience in numbers:


03 WRX more than $8000 spent on engine upgrades+labor+tunning(not including money wasted when 14k stock tranny broke twice)

Forced Performance 18G Turbo(Ported and Polished)
PE 650 injectors
Walbro 255LPH
Turbo Xs UTEC
TurboXS TMIC
Turbo XS Up-Pipe
Turbo Xs MBC
TurboXS BOV
Factory fitted optional short throw shifter
STI scoop
Borla headers
HKS 3" Downpipe
Greddy EVO II 3" cat back
Injen CAI
All 3 cats removed
Lineage grounding cables
Samco Intercooler hoses

Tunned by Clark(AZ Scoobie) at www.Dyno-comp.com

280.3WHP(91oct gas @18psi) on a DynoDynamic car weighted 3042lbs with 1/8 gas
best 1/4 mile time EVER 13.266@104.1 (SIR Tucson) 6 june 2004


I ran a best of 13.78@98.99 (SIR , Tucson) with:


Stock turbo
TurboXS TMIC
Turbo XS Up-Pipe
Turbo Xs MBC
TurboXS BOV
Factory fitted optional short throw shifter
STI scoop
Borla headers
HKS 3" Downpipe
Greddy EVO II 3" cat back
Injen CAI
All 3 cats removed
Lineage grounding cables
Samco Intercooler hoses

So , yeah, a 12.9 is a heck of a time for a stock turbo

I'm with this guy. Congrats on the 12's. I've spent lots too and haven't hit 12's yet. Do you mess with shift points?

Wow 2 year old thread back from the dead!

Don't mind the naysayers, they just have no clue how hard it is to hit good numbers on that little TD04.

Correct there, we only have about a dozen people that have demonstrated they can run 12's on the TD04l-13T on a 2.0 liter engine and a couple more on the 2.5 engine.


http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=960851

Larry

I can't wait to see what Chris does with the new dogbox. He is still on his orignal TD04 and will not let me port it. I know on the slipping clutch he went 105mph with smoke from the clutch pouring out the back of the car.

TMS

Looked through the post and I couldn't find what octane gas Amazake was using. Since he's from the New England area I'd say 93oct. The 91 we use in California makes it that much tougher to break 13's with a stock turbo.

Anazake what octane were you using, do you remember?

Thanks,

Supremo

really?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitrous_oxide

looks to me like you'd better work on either

1) your fact-checking skills

or

2) enjoying the taste of your foot

i stand corrected

i just wanted to point out that thats totaly worng its H2O and NO2 nitrious has 2 moulucules of oxegen for every one in watter so, yeah its not the same
spell check anyone????:confused:

I can't wait to see what Chris does with the new dogbox. He is still on his orignal TD04 and will not let me port it. I know on the slipping clutch he went 105mph with smoke from the clutch pouring out the back of the car.

TMS

I can't either, tell him to get his ass to the track already!:lol:

He hasn't even done a good launch with it yet. :(

TMS

i hit a 13.1 with a boost controller(20psi) intake exhaust intercoller houses and a pulley kit

i hit a 13.1 with a boost controller(20psi) intake exhaust intercoller houses and a pulley kit

yeah so did i like ten times! I even trapped 105mph on straight pump gas no injection, with stock turbo and stock intercooler 2.0l. This was with a 1.7 60'.. Now going from there to a 12.9 pass is just so much harder than people think, I could never do it and eventually i upgraded turbo and other things so i let it go. But thats whats awesome about these stock turbo 2.0l times to me, is that it even happend lol. Its not easy. Also this thread is two years old :lol: i had no idea

Now going from there to a 12.9 pass is just so much harder than people think

So true.

TMS

Thanks, I am surprised to see the thread here again myself. I am hoping to get TMS to give me a retune and head on North to Epping, NH to make a few runs. I will need a few trips to get the new transmission down, I am sure of that.

hey man remember to shoot me a pm when you go i have been dying to head up the that track since its the closest one to me I think. havnt been to a track in over a year as i used to regularly visit all 3 tracks in NJ, hopefully its like a riding a bike. but id also hate driving two hours to be the only import at the track and noone to converse with in the staging lanes
paul

Sure thing paul.

Thanks, I am surprised to see the thread here again myself. I am hoping to get TMS to give me a retune and head on North to Epping, NH to make a few runs. I will need a few trips to get the new transmission down, I am sure of that.

you should be cling-clanging that thing on the streets!

there's no law against repeatedly pulling over on the highway shoulder only to launch it again... :devil:

Looked through the post and I couldn't find what octane gas Amazake was using. Since he's from the New England area I'd say 93oct. The 91 we use in California makes it that much tougher to break 13's with a stock turbo.

Anazake what octane were you using, do you remember?

Thanks,

Supremo

93 octane?

High 12s can be bothersome to get, but it's not even remotely impossible. I ran a 13 flat with a higher trap than anyone in that "top list" a few pages back with a simple stage 2 setup.

High 12s can be bothersome to get, but it's not even remotely impossible. I ran a 13 flat with a higher trap than anyone in that "top list" a few pages back with a simple stage 2 setup.


That is not a 12sec pass though. Doesn't matter what your trap is.

TMS

High 12s can be bothersome to get, but it's not even remotely impossible. I ran a 13 flat with a higher trap than anyone in that "top list" a few pages back with a simple stage 2 setup.

Wow, you trapped 110+ with an untouched TD04? Have you posted the slip and your modlist somewhere?

Originally Posted by Vahnatai View Post
High 12s can be bothersome to get, but it's not even remotely impossible. I ran a 13 flat with a higher trap than anyone in that "top list" a few pages back with a simple stage 2 setup.

Please clarify what you define as a stage 2 setup as there are several common uses of the term, and it has no consistant meaning.

Also was that run before or after you installed the 2.5 L short block?

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1099187
Let me start off by saying I have a WRX with a EJ257 shortblock.

All the cars on that list are box stock 2.0L engines on the OEM TD04L-13T turbo with no modifications.
The guys on 2.5 L blocks have it a bit easier due to the higher off the line torque that extra displacement gives them but it is no where near trivial to run even high 12.9x's on that configuration.

Larry

Please clarify what you define as a stage 2 setup as there are several common uses of the term, and it has no consistant meaning.

Also was that run before or after you installed the 2.5 L short block?

13.09 @ 104.xx

Scoobysport TBE
Scoobysport UP
Dastek Unichip
APS CAI
Samco Y-Pipe

Those were my only power mods at the time. This was 3 years ago. I made 247/243 from on a Mustang from what I remember. I said it takes a bit to get 12s, but I don't see why a good driver can't do it. I'm not remotely the best drag racer out there. I've probably only done ~15 runs ever.

13.09 @ 104.xx

Scoobysport TBE
Scoobysport UP
Dastek Unichip
APS CAI
Samco Y-Pipe

Those were my only power mods at the time. This was 3 years ago. I made 247/243 from on a Mustang from what I remember. I said it takes a bit to get 12s, but I don't see why a good driver can't do it. I'm not remotely the best drag racer out there. I've probably only done ~15 runs ever.

Ah i have run similar times, 13.0-13.1@105mph with similar mods, except UTEC. I was trying hard to get a 12sec. pass, hell my car would pull on my friends 108mph trapping Evo on the highway .. i had it tuned really well on pump gas. But i could never get a 12sec. pass together. You are making it sound easy, but its not once you realize that youve given it all youve got at 13.0 or 13.1 on a perfect day on a perfect pass figuring out how to go faster is hard if can resist the urge to rip your interior out lol.

in any case, its an accomplishment to do it.

hey wanted to say congrats on that 12.9 thats very impressive.. nice work!

on that note, you mentioned something about weight savings.. noticed your batt in your mod list:

here is the mod list that applies:



Optima red top battery


if you really were concerned with huge weight savings like some of the nuts on here - not saying you are or even are seaking weight savings.. just though i'd mention you could swap that optima for an Odyssey with plenty of CCA to crank your motor and prob shave 15 lbs or so from the front. both are sealed batts and both have great warranties.. the Odyssey has a 3yr. warranty is just lighter. they make several versions.. here's the one im running called the 925 MJT:

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f390/rubinm/DSC02170.jpg

Next to my leaky azz old die hard (which died hard):

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f390/rubinm/DSC02168.jpg


anyway enough about batteries and not trying to jack your thread.. amazing time and nice work!

thanks for the heads up on the battery, I actually now own an odyssey.

nice! which one did you get?

Or you could get yourself a Deka XL20 battery for $75 and shave off even more weight.

http://mysite.verizon.net/respfhm9/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/battery.jpg

A 13.09 @ 104.xx is a very good run, there are lots of folks with more mods than you have that cannot get into the low 13's. You are a better drag racer than you think!

Depending on what your exact trap speed was, that as very nearly a perfect run, so there is very little left there to work with. What folks forget is the power requirements go up at the cube of the speed, so there is a big difference between a 12.99 and 13.09 run. I know folks that have chased a tenth for a couple racing seasons. At stock weight it takes about 5-6 hp to gain a tenth, and although it sounds small, if your pushing the car at its current limits it might as well be 50 hp. All it takes to throw away .09 seconds on the ET is to be slow on the 1-2 shift by .02 - .03 seconds, or miss a shift point by 200 rpm.

It took me over 2 years to make my high altitude record run. There are several folks that have come within a tenth but are running larger turbos, (18G's, VF 39's, VF 34's etc.). Its been 3 years now and to my knowledge no one has gotten within a tenth on the stock turbo up here.

That is perhaps the best test of an ET is how long it takes for folks to beat it.

I have a hugh amount of respect for every one on that list including the folks like you, that have run near miss 13.0x runs on the stock turbo, as I know how difficult it is. Since the 2.0L is no longer being used in new production, there will be very few who try for this rather obscure goal in the coming years but it was a great learning experience.

Larry

Nice times!

Or you could get yourself a Deka XL20 battery for $75 and shave off even more weight.



sure you could! or go Braile.. however i needed the Cold Cranking Amps of the Odyssey for the cold weather in Colorado. now that im in Hawaii.. i might go lighter.. but not right away.


your deka could never crank over a suby in -15 degree cold morning starts of Colorado winters..

your deka could never crank over a suby in -15 degree cold morning starts of Colorado winters..

put some quick connects on it and take it in the house with you at night. :)

Meh, I just use a lawn tractor battery 120cca. 20lbs lighter than stock and they only cost $20, use it for a summer then throw it away.

TMS

Meh, I just use a lawn tractor battery 120cca. 20lbs lighter than stock and they only cost $20, use it for a summer then throw it away.

TMS

I like that

Dont forget about my pass, I never posted a slip but my 03 2.0 went a 12.9x with stage 2ish bolt ons and an untuned, off the shelf, cobb access-ecu map. 60 ft's were poor as I was trying to drive it home (1.8x's iirc). Was my first and only time to the track. Had Junior (formerly) from ICS there as my witness. Hotrod wont put me on his list bc I never put up my slip. Dont care either way.....

Good luck to all looking to break into the 12's w the tdo4

Hey delayed congrats to the OP as I see this post is from a ways back but I just found it. The last part of the season we were able to pull a
12.88 @ 107 out of our 02,... heres the link
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1383988

Way to go TD04!:lol:

Wow amazing with the stock WRX turbo. Most STi's at rockfalls track only run 13.7's =D Although WRX with STi swapped parts runs 13.1! which makes me pissed why am I such a bad driver?

My point is that everything we add (intakes, bigger turbos, exhausts, nos, water injection) we add to make more power to go faster.

wrong. do not include nitrous in that list.

the engine is a big air pump. or, to be more accurate, an oxygen pump. the more o2 you push through the engine, the more power is made. this is the purpose for larger turbos, more efficient exhausts, etc.

nitrous ADDS oxygen. It does not enable the engine to move more air. It literalls adds it on top.

alcohol injection does not do this. however, it allows for more boost and ignition timing (to a point).