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sub25rs
08-16-2005, 02:08 PM
I dont know if this had been posted before. I have been out of town but I looked at the recent posts and I didnt see anything so I thought I'd start a thread. The info is below

Detroit, Mich. — The all-wheel drive Saab 9-2X enters it second year of production with a more powerful engine in the Aero model, more horsepower and a new name for the base model, and simplified option packages. At the same time, MSRP’s for 2006 9-2X’s remain unchanged from 2005.
The 2006 9-2X Aero pays tribute to Saab’s signature torque heritage with a new 2.5L turbo 4-cylinder boxer engine that makes 230 horsepower @ 5,600 rpm and 235 lb. ft of torque @ 3,600 rpm (up from 227-hp/217 lb. ft. last year).
Seventeen-inch all-season tires will be available on the Aero. Sixteen-inch all-season rubber continues to be standard on both 2.5i and Aero models.
The former Linear model will now be called the 2.5i, reflecting the 2.5L 4-cylinder engine. This naturally aspirated engine is now rated at 173-hp @ 6,000 rpm, up eight horsepower from last year. Peak torque is slightly adjusted to 166 lb.-ft. @ 4,400 rpm.
9-2X MSRP’s remain unchanged in 2006 at $22,990 for the 2.5i and $26,950 for the Aero. Destination charges, however, will increase $25 to $720, bringing the prices to $23,710 and $27,670, respectively.
An available Leather Package includes leather appointed seats and door inserts on the Aero. The 2.5i also gets a leather steering wheel, gearshift knob, and hand brake boot. 2005’s Premium Package is deleted from both models.
The 9-2X Aero’s Sport Package is revised to include 17-inch wheels with all-season performance tread and xenon headlamps. The power moonroof on the Aero becomes a stand-alone option.
The 2006 9-2X Aero will be available in Midnight Black Mica, Arctic Silver Metallic and Brilliant Red.
The full-time all-wheel drive system, four-wheel disc brakes with ABS and four-speed automatic/five speed manual transmissions remain unchanged for 2006.

TimStevens
08-16-2005, 03:05 PM
So, based on the last sentence, seems that the Saabaru doesn't get the fancy WRX brakes. Bummer.

Beaverboy
08-16-2005, 03:08 PM
People keep posting this stuff and the mods keep moving it to the non-subaru news thread.

cefoskey
08-16-2005, 03:17 PM
Plus both Saab and Subaru wagons are going to be called 2.5i

Meh.

Coati
08-16-2005, 03:19 PM
People keep posting this stuff and the mods keep moving it to the non-subaru news thread.

I think at least one of our mods has Aspergers and/or OCD. They simply cannot abide Saabaru threads. :lol: If they'd just left the first one, there wouldn't have been so many repeats.

IBTMove! :banana:

Coati
08-16-2005, 03:22 PM
So, based on the last sentence, seems that the Saabaru doesn't get the fancy WRX brakes. Bummer.


In the last thread, there was some discussion as to whether the "SUBARU" was engraved/stamped into the latest 4-pot calipers on the '06 WRX. If it's painted or a decal, the Saabaru may still have a chance of getting the 4-pots.

Engraved ... probably not. :alien:

Layman
08-16-2005, 07:47 PM
In the last thread, there was some discussion as to whether the "SUBARU" was engraved/stamped into the latest 4-pot calipers on the '06 WRX. If it's painted or a decal, the Saabaru may still have a chance of getting the 4-pots.

Engraved ... probably not. :alien:

They are stamped in.

Rallycarperson
08-16-2005, 07:49 PM
That sound familiar...


-Mark
MAPmotors.com.

Layman
08-16-2005, 07:52 PM
That sound familiar...


-Mark
MAPmotors.com.

Haha.

Probably because it's all been posted before.

nimblegimbal
08-16-2005, 10:50 PM
anyone know when they 06's will roll in?

non-subaru news... aww cmon, it rolls out of the same factory for cryin out loud...

Siper2
08-17-2005, 08:48 AM
They are stamped in.

That shouldn't matter. Subaru got the 4-pots from Nissan, who had them on the 300ZX originally. That's why you sometimes find front pad replacements coming cheaper under the Nissan name, than actual Subaru pads. Same part, but Subaru charges much more.

They could easily provide the better brakes, maybe with out "SAAB" stamped/stickered on there. Just depends on whether they wanted to.

I'm very seriously considering an '06 9-2X. I have two threads up about it...

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=827611
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=827604

=S2=

Layman
08-17-2005, 10:25 AM
That shouldn't matter. Subaru got the 4-pots from Nissan, who had them on the 300ZX originally. That's why you sometimes find front pad replacements coming cheaper under the Nissan name, than actual Subaru pads. Same part, but Subaru charges much more.

Yeah, I know, but the 9-2X is such a small volume line, I'd be surprised if they went through the trouble of rebranding the brakes.

Siper2
08-17-2005, 10:44 AM
I don't think the Nissan versions had a stamp on them. I think they were plain. Could be mistaken, but if not, it's be a direct swap on to the Saab.

Layman
08-17-2005, 06:06 PM
I don't think the Nissan versions had a stamp on them. I think they were plain. Could be mistaken, but if not, it's be a direct swap on to the Saab.

I'm pretty sure they were also stamped. I can confirm that tonight...

Siper2
08-17-2005, 07:07 PM
I could easily be wrong. Never seen them up close. :)

Either way, it wouldn't be hard for Saab to do what Subaru did.

cyberpirate
08-17-2005, 08:23 PM
Just got back from a dealership. No. They are not stamped.

Coati
08-17-2005, 08:42 PM
Just got back from a dealership. No. They are not stamped.
Are you talking about the Nissan, 9-2x or the WRX brakes? :lol:

Opie
08-17-2005, 09:05 PM
They are stamped in.

The 2006 WRX Calipers are definitly not stamped....they are a sticker that says Subaru...go check them out for yourself.

I'd bet the Saabaru's get the same brake package.

1 Lucky Texan
08-17-2005, 10:59 PM
The 2006 WRX Calipers are definitly not stamped....they are a sticker that says Subaru...go check them out for yourself.

I'd bet the Saabaru's get the same brake package.

Well, I was very close to them but can't say for certain. My gut feeling is that it is cast/milled/stamped in and filled with the white paint. If it's a sticker - wonder what kinda material and adhesive can take that heat and punishment? Also, it would be 2 different sized stickers cause the word Subaru is smaller on the rear calipers.

Carl

nimblegimbal
08-17-2005, 11:01 PM
the saab dealer here says MARCH for 2006 92x's

MARCH? I don't really buy it... seems like the 06's would come right along with the wrx's, especially if they didn't also get a facelift...

cyberpirate
08-17-2005, 11:58 PM
Are you talking about the Nissan, 9-2x or the WRX brakes? :lol:

WRX. of course ... :p

Layman
08-18-2005, 01:40 AM
The 2006 WRX Calipers are definitly not stamped....they are a sticker that says Subaru...go check them out for yourself.

I'd bet the Saabaru's get the same brake package.

Really? Awesome.

I'm almost 100% certain that both the old JDM brakes and the Nissans are stamped. Oh well.


*hopes the 9-2X has the new brakes!*

Siper2
08-18-2005, 08:28 AM
Yeah I hope so too. I've been trading Emails with a manager at the nearby Saab dealership. Nice guy, but he knew absolutely zilch about the '06s. So I forwarded him a bunch of info, URLs from magazine blurbs, and stats on the '06 WRX. He was greatly impressed, stating how they at the dealership had no info whatsoever.

No big surprise. :)

If "SUBARU" is a *sticker* on the new calipers.... that's weird...... because the old 4-pots/2-pots (f/r) weren't like that I don't think....

BryanH
08-18-2005, 11:31 AM
The nissan calipers were definently stamped with "nissan" on my 300zx. And I dont think they are a direct swap to the Subaru's. IIC the offset is different and you would have to have a custom bracket made up.

THe OLD Subaru 4 pots are definenetly stamped on Acquacow's car with "subaru".

No clue about the new brakes...but I hope the saabaru gets the new brakes.

Siper2
08-18-2005, 11:54 AM
Hmm, weird. Wonder why Subaru went with stickers, instead of re-using the old ones.....

Yeah, of course they'd need new brackets, to mount 300ZX versions to a Subaru/Saab. Should've mentioned that before. :)

Coati
08-18-2005, 12:56 PM
Hmm, weird. Wonder why Subaru went with stickers, instead of re-using the old ones.....

A. Cheaper (at least one less engineering/manufacturing step); and/or

B. So they could also put them on the Saabaru! :lol:

Siper2
08-18-2005, 12:57 PM
Good point regarding B. I guess, but....

I don't see how it's cheaper. The other ones are already in inventory.

BryanH
08-18-2005, 01:10 PM
The less customization and tooling a manufacturer has to do to produce a product the less it costs. The design of these calipers isn't revolutionary...so simpler would be cheaper.

Siper2
08-18-2005, 01:18 PM
Well right, but what I'm saying is, if Subaru's re-using the exact same design they've been employing on those calipers since like 1994 with the STi, then why bother to redesign them so it's a sticker instead of stamped?

Now if it's for the sole purpose of allowing Saab their own version, it makes some sense, but... still....

I don't know. Weird. :)

BryanH
08-18-2005, 01:21 PM
probably not just for saab....but I have no idea.

Siper2
08-18-2005, 01:22 PM
Me either.

Fun being clueless, eh? :D :banana:

rexster
08-18-2005, 10:31 PM
i'm fairly certain the the 92-x is going to have the 4 pots. obviously subaru felt the larger calipers were needed, it wouldn't make any sence to omit them from the saab. it would make the car less safe.

the 92-x with HIDs is looking pretty damn good right now. no more 5 speed legacy GT wagon, and the '06 wrx was beaten bad with the ugly stick. plus the 92-x probably costs less to insure than the wrx. i only hope they repeat the employee discount pricing next fall.

UCD-WRX
08-19-2005, 12:24 AM
Hey everyone,

What's the chance that Saab extends employee pricing through March 2006? :) If that's when the Saabaru comes out, then a $20k new WRX would be sweet!

UCD-WRX
Shameless plug for my coilover poll: http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=819418

nimblegimbal
08-19-2005, 02:53 AM
heh, doesn't matter for me, :banana: for family working at gm

I honestly don't think we will have to wait till march, and sure do hope we don't... it seems that just about all the 05's are gone, dealers here said they can't get any... and if they can't get such a "hot" car, It seems like they would all push to get the 06's, and it would go up the chain... or not :lol: I really don't know :)

Siper2
08-19-2005, 08:20 AM
rexster,

I agree about the brakes. Let's just hope we're right. :)

An STi swap in my RS sounds great, but so does an '06 9-2X.
Which already comes with nice brakes.
And a 4-year warranty.
And 2 years' free service.
And it's a wagon.

*sigh*

=S2=
[/daydreamin']

Layman
08-19-2005, 10:12 AM
rexster,

I agree about the brakes. Let's just hope we're right. :)

An STi swap in my RS sounds great, but so does an '06 9-2X.
Which already comes with nice brakes.
And a 4-year warranty.
And 2 years' free service.
And it's a wagon.

*sigh*

=S2=
[/daydreamin']

You and I are in the exact same boat...

Siper2
08-19-2005, 10:15 AM
You and I are in the exact same boat...

And it's a big, shiny ship.

With two polished masts, teak decks, polished stantions (sp.?), speed winches, Kevlar sails and a huge diesel engine.


In other words -- so pretty, and I'm so indecisive it ain't even funny. You should see me with a Chinese restaurant menu. :lol:

Layman
08-19-2005, 10:17 AM
And it's a big, shiny ship.

With two polished masts, teak decks, polished stantions (sp.?), speed winches, Kevlar sails and a huge diesel engine.


In other words -- so pretty, and I'm so indecisive it ain't even funny. You should see me with a Chinese restaurant menu. :lol:

:lol:

At least I'm upgrading the NA engine in mine to try and stave off a new purchase. We'll see how long that lasts... ;)

Siper2
08-19-2005, 10:32 AM
I'd love to do some N/A work, I think it'd be fun. For now though I've got a PDM CAI and a WRX axleback with Stromung midpipe. And that's as far as it'll go.

AWDPilot
08-19-2005, 12:19 PM
Sixteen-inch all-season rubber continues to be standard on both 2.5i and Aero models.

That answers your brake upgrade questions right there, they may be standard with the "sport" package though.

Siper2
08-19-2005, 12:27 PM
That's my guess, as well. Or perhaps an option (??) since Saab has divided it's former '05 packages in to somewhat individual choices, for '06.

RallyImprezive
08-19-2005, 12:35 PM
Yeah I hope so too. I've been trading Emails with a manager at the nearby Saab dealership. Nice guy, but he knew absolutely zilch about the '06s. So I forwarded him a bunch of info, URLs from magazine blurbs, and stats on the '06 WRX. He was greatly impressed, stating how they at the dealership had no info whatsoever.

No big surprise. :)

If "SUBARU" is a *sticker* on the new calipers.... that's weird...... because the old 4-pots/2-pots (f/r) weren't like that I don't think....


I always thought the old 4 pots had Subaru cast into it..and painted white.

AWDPilot
08-19-2005, 12:37 PM
They were definately cast / stamped

Siper2
08-19-2005, 12:39 PM
I always thought the old 4 pots had Subaru cast into it..and painted white.


They were, but if you check the other replies, the new ones on the '06 are apparently stickers, now.

Protege Menace
08-19-2005, 12:41 PM
I think at least one of our mods has Aspergers and/or OCD. They simply cannot abide Saabaru threads. :lol: If they'd just left the first one, there wouldn't have been so many repeats.

IBTMove! :banana:


maybe it needs to be a sticky then :p

Layman
08-19-2005, 12:41 PM
They were, but if you check the other replies, the new ones on the '06 are apparently stickers, now.

You know, perhaps without the cast raised letter, they might be able to fit under the stock 16" wheels on a Saabaru!

:D

*crosses fingers*

Coati
08-19-2005, 12:42 PM
That answers your brake upgrade questions right there, they may be standard with the "sport" package though.


I don't think that answers any questions:
I think Subaru/Nissan 4-pots fit underneath properly designed 16" (and even certain 15") wheels.

AWDPilot
08-19-2005, 12:46 PM
True, but most of those have been 16x7 wheels, the saabaru has 16x6.5

Siper2
08-19-2005, 12:50 PM
Bingo. :)

rexster
08-19-2005, 05:41 PM
the base 92x Aero will have 17s just like the other car that starts with W and ends in X and rolls off the same assembly line. ok, maybe they will put a 16x7 on there, but unlikely.

the saabaru press release says:

The full-time all-wheel drive system, four-wheel disc brakes with ABS and four-speed automatic/five speed manual transmissions remain unchanged for 2006.

This doesn't mean the brakes are exactly the same, it means they are still four-wheel disc brakes with ABS. Most people reading that press release wouldn't know what the hell a 4 pot is anyway...

either way i can throw my 16x7 ET53 RS rims on there!!!!

Gambit
08-20-2005, 12:50 AM
i wouldn't hold my breath for the employee discount on the 92x Aero. Skimping through www.saab92x.com (yes there is a forum!!!) there is a tidbit about Saab sellng 2500 06 Aeros. A number based on the 05 Aero sold prior to the employee discount.
Think about it, subaru/fhi would be very pissed if GM does this again. I bet WRX sales were hurt during the discount period. Who'd buy a blob-eyed 05 WRX which is decided less equipped, higher to insure and arguably less pretty over a cheaper, better equipped, lower to insure 92X Aero?

Marcin
08-20-2005, 01:20 AM
Who'd buy a blob-eyed 05 WRX which is decided less equipped, higher to insure and arguably less pretty over a cheaper, better equipped, lower to insure 92X Aero?

/Raises his hand

Simply put, There were no 5spd, fully loaded 92X'es avaliable. I'm happy with WRX, still got a good deal from Subaru dealership

Also, I wouldn't say better equipment, I would say better options avaliable for a wagon.

I got insurance quotes, for both cars from Allstate and they weren't too far off from eachoter.

Siper2
08-20-2005, 09:47 AM
I'm not holding my breath for ANYthing. I'm simply going to wait until late winter or spring, and see what's available.

AWDPilot
08-20-2005, 10:51 AM
Well that would make waaay too much sense ;)

rexster
08-20-2005, 12:56 PM
I"m really tempted to get one this spring as well, but I'm going to try and wait until next July. By then we'll know what changes the WRX is going to get for MY08. Most people think the WRX is getting a major redesign for 2008. What if they make significant chassis/suspension improvements??? or maybe they'll add an inch of back seat knee room. or maybe the front end won't look so ******* ugly. I'm totally guessing here, but it would be nice.

plus, late summer is always the best time to buy a new car. demand is down because gas is expensive and the new models are about to come out. Plus the sales year is ending soon and the car companies need to meet sales estimates. The result is lower prices!