who can honestly tell me this isnt the hottest thing since sliced bread? [Archive]

BJamerican

08-25-2005, 10:39 PM

Pfft, yeah. They only offer us a measely 2.5 liter STi, they finally brought the WRX over and brought back the turbocharged version of the Legacy.

Oh yeah, I almost forgot. The Turbo Forester sucks too...

Yeah, they suck real bad...
Yeah, figure only 4 years ago the most powerful Subaru you could buy in the USA had 168 HP.

For a company with so little market share, they are doing good. I applaud them for reincarnating turbo Subarus and offering specialty cars like the STi and LGT Spec B.

I'm just afraid they are hurting themselves by limiting the options available in the 2006 models (most notably the lack of interior color choices in the Legacy).

SUBE555

08-25-2005, 10:44 PM

4 years ago the most powerful Subaru was 212hp. ;) It produced 210hp. And it had 6 cylinders. :)

4 years before that a 230hp 6 cylinder engine was available.

Mavrik

08-25-2005, 10:46 PM

I want those rims.

STiTkacik

08-25-2005, 10:46 PM

4 years ago the most powerful Subaru was 212hp. ;) It produced 210hp. And it had 6 cylinders. :)

4 years before that a 230hp 6 cylinder engine was available.
:lol:

THAWA

08-25-2005, 10:46 PM

The old Blitzen is, was, and will always been hotter.

STiTkacik

08-25-2005, 10:50 PM

I dunno. The new Legacy may be a good competitor.

BJamerican

08-25-2005, 10:53 PM

4 years ago the most powerful Subaru was 212hp. ;) It produced 210hp. And it had 6 cylinders. :)

4 years before that a 230hp 6 cylinder engine was available.
alright smartass... :lol: In 1999 the most powerful Subaru you could buy had 168 HP. The point is, Subarus were totally bland in style and performance in the late 1990s. They've come a long long way since the WRX was introduced.

jjjheimer

08-25-2005, 11:10 PM

the quad tips - that is so sexsay

MU5A5HI

08-25-2005, 11:22 PM

hawt.

It's official, SOA BLOWS ASS.

Now this kind of thing doesnt belong in "News and Rumors"...

...
Cause its a well known fact that is old news. :devil:

Scooby-Doode

08-25-2005, 11:23 PM

I'd trade my impreza in a heart beat.

Bundyboyz

08-25-2005, 11:34 PM

what is appearing on the blue screen... doesn't look like an sort of NAV

MattDell

08-25-2005, 11:52 PM

wagon = teh suck, but the sedan is sexy.
It's this attitude that screws me out of being able to buy a B4 wagon. :rolleyes:

-Matt

SubaruImpreza_power

08-25-2005, 11:52 PM

what is appearing on the blue screen... doesn't look like an sort of NAV

Engine info, if I'm correct.

I bet if more Americans saw this I think they would have 2nd thoughts about Subaru, and just not think "cheap" as the first thought.. As why they don't offer this is beyond my control.

For one thing the rear wiper.. sucks when it rains, if I'm driving while it rains it's not bad but the rain never blows off the rear.

Jejunum

08-25-2005, 11:58 PM

alright smartass... :lol: In 1999 the most powerful Subaru you could buy had 168 HP. The point is, Subarus were totally bland in style and performance in the late 1990s. They've come a long long way since the WRX was introduced.

168? wasnt it 165? :lol:

HomerJay

08-26-2005, 12:00 AM

Automatic has much suck. Unfortuntely 06 wagon, no manual gearbox :(

greg donovan

08-26-2005, 01:21 AM

love the wagon. wish my sedan had a rear window wiper.

akm3

08-26-2005, 02:36 AM

I shed a tear every time I see that wagon (yes, wagon you SOA bastards) and realize I will never be able to give my hard earned $$ to Subaru to purchase one.

-Allen

happasaiyan

08-26-2005, 02:47 AM

black leather STi seats...
red STi-like defi gauges...
nav...
digital boost gauge in the nav screen...
gold brembos...
quad tips...

SPLOOGE. bring it. now. please??? :(

jam69007

08-26-2005, 03:11 AM

black leather STi seats...
red STi-like defi gauges...
nav...
digital boost gauge in the nav screen...
gold brembos...
quad tips...

SPLOOGE. bring it. now. please??? :(

what he^^^ said minus the quad tips, i would rather have a couple nice HKS muffs poking out the back. otherwise very awesome sedan!!!

KURB21

08-26-2005, 03:57 AM

hey Japan........ YOU SUCK!!!!!!!! :furious:

olappa

08-26-2005, 04:58 AM

Another reason to say that SOA is out of touch with its market and potential customers.

Read the forums subaru!

We want spec C's.

We want spec B's.

We want more.

This is not some outlandish request by the USDM for Subaru to pull models magically out of some hat....just make your PRE-EXISTING products available here.

Siper2

08-26-2005, 09:21 AM

Hmmmm....

http://www.subaru-sti.co.jp/LEGACY/catalog/interior/02/imgs/top.jpg

http://rs-scooby.com/albums/leatherseats/DSCN1763.sized.jpg

"Such striking similarities!"
-Jodie Foster, Maverick

;)

Siper2

08-26-2005, 09:23 AM

^^^

(No, that's not my car. I didn't get OE leather, I got different stuff. Though, in hindsight, that 2.5RS stuff is pretty sweet.)

Hank3

08-26-2005, 10:10 AM

I wish they would bring that over but that will probably not happen. Also I hope it comes in manual.
Looks like there is a manual version according to this pic- it also looks like it's a 5-speed :confused::

http://www.subaru-sti.co.jp/LEGACY/catalog/interior/02/imgs/top.jpg

FrostyAK

08-26-2005, 11:30 AM

Mmmmm, quad tips, wrb blue, leather ... Mmmm

Only in Ameri...er Japan ... :(

- Chris

WR^2X

08-26-2005, 12:07 PM

Wow, and they even got the interior lighting to match between the cluster and the radio/HVAC!

ADIDAS

08-26-2005, 12:09 PM

give me teh sedan anyday, I would hit it, even in an auto tranny!

Siper2

08-26-2005, 12:20 PM

Those seats are definitely hot.

Maybe not Ferrari 430 hot....

http://www.motorcities.com/media/image/640/05H0N095519827F/2005-Ferrari-F430-F1-Coupe-F.jpeg

.... or Audi RS4 hot....

http://www.fourtitude.com/gallery/generated//Audi/A4-S4-RS4%20(B5,%20B6%20and%20B7)/RS4%20(B7)/Interior%20-%20EU/009__scaled_600.jpg

... or perhaps not STi S203 hot...

http://www.subdriven.com/news/uploads/Subaru_News/018__scaled_600.jpg

...but hot!!!!

=S2=

Holograph

08-26-2005, 01:53 PM

I actually like the B4 STi seats better than those previous images of other seats.

Although, all of the red inside speaks trademark Audi interior. Is that good? Subaru is now targeting upper-end car markets, but they may want to stick to their originality somehow. I would love it if every glowing item was blue instead! :cool: :cool:

The screen in the middle of the dash is a multi-function display that shows engine diagnostics, service schedules, some other items, and even NAV, but in a different mode not shown in the pic. That's part of the system that comes with all Subaru NAV system installs.

After test driving a 2005 2.5 Gt Limited, I was thinking of trading my 02 WRX in for one, but I wanted just a bit more attitude...I would buy this car instantly!

I think SOA shies away from introducing this Legacy lineup/segment because the legacy sales in the US are catered to a broader, less enthusiast audience that may be scared away from a pure sport luxury sedan, while the Impreza lineup has consistently attracted younger entry-level crowds with the RS's and enthusiasts with the STi's. It's a niche market that I think SOA thinks is not large enough to produce for.

Other than us drooling enthusiasts, do you think there is a large market for STi tuned B4 Legacies? On the other hand, who cares? We want it over here! :banana:

Siper2

08-26-2005, 01:57 PM

I don't think imitating Audi interiors is bad at all. :) In fact, I was thinking somewhat the same thing when I ordered the leather for my RS before I bought the car.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v396/Siper2/Subaru%20Impreza/Dsc00119.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v396/Siper2/Subaru%20Impreza/Dsc00127.jpg

(The passenger seat is "dimpled" in those pics because I had some stuff stacked on it. They went away.)

SoDealer

08-26-2005, 02:04 PM

Engine info, if I'm correct.

I bet if more Americans saw this I think they would have 2nd thoughts about Subaru, and just not think "cheap" as the first thought.. As why they don't offer this is beyond my control.

it's on all tribecas without nav or with nav for that matter.

SubaruImpreza_power

08-26-2005, 02:04 PM

The old Blitzen is, was, and will always been hotter.

I have to agree.. The colour for the seats were pretty hot.

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/4770/0086tj.jpg

BelvnAWD

08-26-2005, 02:53 PM

I want those seats in my WRX

WORD....

team_orion

08-26-2005, 06:21 PM

Automatic is a deal breaker now all to go in a manual, now we are talking.

MomoWRX

08-27-2005, 01:21 AM

now that is the hotness

phoenix96

08-27-2005, 02:43 AM

I would love it if every glowing item was blue instead! :cool: :cool:

Red is actually the best color for interior lighting - affects your night vision the least. Blue and white are the worst, AFAIK.

ilnmcom

08-27-2005, 02:51 AM

I wish they would bring that over but that will probably not happen. Also I hope it comes in manual.

One of the interior pics shows a manual and one shows an auto.

ilnmcom

08-27-2005, 02:52 AM

oops... looked like someone else saw it first.

TSReynolds

08-29-2005, 01:08 AM

I wish they would bring that over but that will probably not happen. Also I hope it comes in manual.

The first picture shows a six-speed shifter knob.

Holograph

08-29-2005, 03:29 AM

Red is actually the best color for interior lighting - affects your night vision the least. Blue and white are the worst, AFAIK. Really? Sweet. Good to know...in that case, I now support the red choice Subaru made! ;) Btw, what is AFAIK? That is one lingo acronym that I do not yet know...

Cya!

dr3wby

08-29-2005, 04:32 AM

Really? Sweet. Good to know...in that case, I now support the red choice Subaru made! ;) Btw, what is AFAIK? That is one lingo acronym that I do not yet know...

Cya!
AFAIK = As Far As I Know :huh:

Beaverboy

08-29-2005, 10:07 AM

Red is actually the best color for interior lighting - affects your night vision the least. Blue and white are the worst, AFAIK.
BMW uses amber.. it's the best all-around for most people. The problem with red is that your night vision isn't affected at all, so your pupils remain dialated, which makes focusing on the red letters very hard, especially for those with trouble seeing at night. Blue lights diminish night vision but are very easy to see. Amber to green lighting colors are time tested, being both easier to read than red and less harsh on the night vision than blue.

This message brought to you by the letters B and R, the color Green and the number 555.

happasaiyan

08-29-2005, 12:17 PM

BMW uses amber.. it's the best all-around for most people. The problem with red is that your night vision isn't affected at all, so your pupils remain dialated, which makes focusing on the red letters very hard, especially for those with trouble seeing at night. Blue lights diminish night vision but are very easy to see. Amber to green lighting colors are time tested, being both easier to read than red and less harsh on the night vision than blue.

This message brought to you by the letters B and R, the color Green and the number 555.
from experience

green- looks lame, but works well
red- looks pimp, works well. i have no problems with them at all
blue- sat in a vw for a little bit, and these gave me a headache (literally- not kidding) so no dice there.
amber- looks more lame than green, but works well

Holograph

08-29-2005, 02:26 PM

This message brought to you by the letters B and R, the color Green and the number 555. LOL :lol: :lol:

BigElm

08-29-2005, 06:21 PM

It's NOT the hottest thing since slice bread because WE DON'T HAVE IT :furious:

Templar

08-30-2005, 01:14 AM

Mike Anson

08-30-2005, 01:26 AM

STI Orenji

08-30-2005, 01:41 AM

khyrox1

08-30-2005, 01:54 AM

Most people in the US don't buy Sport Sedans that expensive unless they have a German badge on them. So, what we see on this board right now is about a dozen people saying we want this car. What SOA looks at is, ok there are 12.

Make that 13. If that STI Legacy was coming out, I'd buy one. :)

MattDell

08-30-2005, 02:37 AM

grannyshifter

08-30-2005, 03:56 AM

:eek: that is one sick interior!

99subi

08-30-2005, 04:04 AM

make sure its manual and i say an s401 instead

BJamerican

08-30-2005, 08:24 AM

So what are the performance specs on this version?

Everybody seems to be drooling over the interior, and it really isn't different from the USDM Legacy GT except for one or two minor color changes (seat stitching and gauge numbers). Everything else looks identical. :confused:

Siper2

08-30-2005, 08:50 AM

Getting back a bit to the dash colors...

How about white? White illumination has worked alright for me in the past... Somewhat bright I guess, but my cars all had dimmers.

I'll agree to red being nice for fatigue, but yes, very hard to adjust sometimes.

Jon [in CT]

08-30-2005, 09:01 AM

Why would they rev it like that with only 116 miles on the clock? Is this some sort of new, authorized break-in procedure? Speaking of breaking, why is the coolant light on? And shouldn't they put some gas in the car?

http://www.subaru-sti.co.jp/LEGACY/catalog/concept/imgs/top01.jpg

That's a shot of the instrument cluster when you turn the key on - the speedometer and tack do a "sweep" up to max values and then fall back to actual values.

Siper2

08-30-2005, 09:08 AM

']That's a shot of the instrument cluster when you turn the key on - the speedometer and tack do a "sweep" up to max values and then fall back to actual values.

Which is a very cool feature. Wish I could have my RS do that. :)

=S2=

BJamerican

08-30-2005, 12:03 PM

']That's a shot of the instrument cluster when you turn the key on - the speedometer and tack do a "sweep" up to max values and then fall back to actual values.
On the US models, the sweep occurs before the numbers illuminate. I doubt that's even a real picture... probably just a rendering.

The "coolant light" is actually part of the temperature gauge, which isn't fully shown in the photo.

Beaverboy

08-30-2005, 12:44 PM

Since when in reving to 4000rpm bad? :confused:

Where's that post where the guy from SOA talks about the Lafayette dyno runs and high speed testing before shipping the new legacys off to dealers?

t3hWIT

08-30-2005, 03:44 PM

...suede would b nice... that is nice thoh. its friggin amazing from the outside...

Ghostrider600

08-30-2005, 05:29 PM

How many would spend the extra $6000-$7000 for the difference above and beyond a GT limited? The answer they are coming up with is not many. They are already going to bring a sportier Legacy over this fall, but people on this board have already started saying that they won't pay the difference. If that is the case, then why should they start bringing over the limited edition stuff?

Gee, I could buy one of the *500* over-priced, but not *improved* Limited Edition Spec-Bs for $34,000 (plus dealer "market adjustment") and get a Legacy GT Limited with a pink interior and Nav--all for $6,000 over the price of a LGT Limited; OR SOA could have offered us one of their "forbidden" Limited Edition Legacy lines that actually offer what people here WANT.

The problem isn't that people don't want limited editions, or won't pay for a good one; the problem is SOA gives us the WRONG KIND of "Limited Edition".

Tarting up a LGT Limited as a "Spec-B" is still *not* offering us anything like a Legacy Tuned by STI, or the WR-Limited we want.

--and SOA will justify their not bringing over a *true* Limited Edition Legacy by saying: "Hey, we gave them the option to buy 500 overpriced, underperforming "performance sedan" Spec-Bs, and yet we still have 390 of them on dealer lots...so no way are they getting anything better." :rolleyes:

Instead of the Emperor's Clothing cum Spec-B, SOA ought to have imported 500 USDM-spec Tuned by STI Legacies, at least that would have been a real test of whether slovenly US buyers can "appreciate" such a car. The Spec-B is just a test of fanboi fanaticism, where anything stamped "Limited Edition" is supposed to be immediately consumed by "true" Subaru fans to prove their fealty.

And given that we sucked up WRXes, FXTs, I-STIs, and LGTs like crack when they each debuted, I can't see how a L-STI could fare worse, $3/gallon or not, it'd sell.

We understand what Limited Editions should be, it's not our fault that SOA doesn't.

khyrox1

08-30-2005, 06:01 PM

The problem isn't that people don't want limited editions, or won't pay for a good one; the problem is SOA gives us the WRONG KIND of "Limited Edition".

I agree. SOA needs to approach this as they did with the STI. I'm hoping they do offer a Legacy STI someday. Don't give us something watered down.

Siper2

08-30-2005, 06:40 PM

Ghostrider600,

A few good thoughts in there, but "just import(ing)" those limited cars isn't so easy. First off, most of them are RHD, so there's a conversion cost...

Plus meeting US emissions....

...And all the rest that importation entails....

...then Subaru of America has to decide whether or not it wants to be a niche manufacturer. Subaru is sort of niche already, but have made their "niche" mainstream.
But a limited car like that might be more difficult than we'd like it to be. The STi was on the tip of the world's tongue forever...... not so much for the Legacy cars.

If Subaru wanted to jump in and battle the M3 and R/S4 market, they'd have a good contender.... but then their low-cost brand image would disappear. Costs have had to rise enough as it is....

I don't know. It's complicated, obviously.

=S2=

happasaiyan

08-30-2005, 08:42 PM

its not that hard for subaru to take the legacy sedan, drop the STi chassis underneath (maybe detune it to ~275hp or whatever) and give us this interior. thats about all it would take for the legacy STi to sell.

also, if they really wanted to compete with the m3/rs4, they could destroy them. a legacy with the STi chassis, and a slightly larger turbo/injectors could easily make 350-375hp....all for under 40k. compare that to the 50k+ m3/rs4, and you have a steal.

theyd be stupid not to.

BigElm

08-31-2005, 12:09 AM

I just love how everyone sits and bitches that we don't get anything because SOA doesn't listen to us. If SOA didn't listen to us, we wouldn't have WRXs, or STIs or Forester XTs, or Legacy GTs in this country. This board was a huge part of the reason that they brought the turbo back over after having it fail so miserably in earlier models.

And SOA is still gun-shy about having a near $40k car (if you think it would sell for less, you are nuts). They aren't as worried with the Tribeca because of the huge market share that SUVs represent. Most people in the US don't buy Sport Sedans that expensive unless they have a German badge on them. So, what we see on this board right now is about a dozen people saying we want this car. What SOA looks at is, ok there are 12. How many just think it would be a cool car for Subaru to sell? How many of them could actually buy this car? How many would spend the extra $6000-$7000 for the difference above and beyond a GT limited? The answer they are coming up with is not many. They are already going to bring a sportier Legacy over this fall, but people on this board have already started saying that they won't pay the difference. If that is the case, then why should they start bringing over the limited edition stuff?

Look at it from a business point of view instead of from the point of view of a 5 year old whining to his parents in a toy store, and you might understand why getting this stuff takes time, and why we are a lot better off than we were.

What you've said is nothing new and it's been beaten to death... just like everyone else's comments about not bringing certain vehicles.

Enough with testing the waters... You can't play with the big boys if you continue to make teaser trims. Heck, Subaru is not even up to par on options that other manufacturers have available. As always. Subaru is late in the game. They come out with an SUV and look at the gas prices... people are trading in their SUV's because crude oil is killing our wallets. This crap about Subaru being a small company and not being able to offer what the competition does; then I got news for you.... Tell that to Subaru, who are keen to compete in the big boys market. I got one word for you... Hyundai!

So... go figure.... As long as you keep coming late, then you'll be treated that way.

stuccuking

08-31-2005, 02:14 AM

I go to Japan every year. I always reserve 1 day to test drive cars of desire. I love to see the faces on the saleman. This just got added to my list :eek:

Ghostrider600

08-31-2005, 05:35 PM

Enough with testing the waters... You can't play with the big boys if you continue to make teaser trims.

<snip>
This crap about Subaru being a small company and not being able to offer what the competition does; then I got news for you.... Tell that to Subaru, who are keen to compete in the big boys market. I got one word for you... Hyundai!

So... go figure.... As long as you keep coming late, then you'll be treated that way.

Definitely. It's SOA/Subaru's fault that Subaru isn't what it should/could be, it's not the consumer nor the Subaru fan's fault that we don't get what we *would* actually buy IF it were available.

Siper2-
I did make a mistake when I said "import", what I meant was "give us". Take a USDM Legacy Chassis, throw the I-STI goodies under it, (leave it at 300/300--why not? The Legacy line is supposed to be above the Impreza line anyway) and then import the "Tuned by STI" interior and exterior trim bits.

Since the L-chassis and STI powertrain have all already passed US regs, the "combo" car wouldn't be too hard to get passed *IF* SOA had the guts/balls/brains to do it (and no RHD conversion needed ;) ).

I only *wish* SOA would wake up, get its head in the game, and like most other car manufacturers out there, bring us a "performance line" like Dodge's SRT, Nissan's SE-R/Nismo, Chevy's SS, Ford's SVT, BMW's M, MB's AMG...etc etc...oh, and let's not forget Subaru's JDM "STI", as in I-STI, Forester STI, and Legacy "Tuned by STI" --so it's not like they don't have the product line, we just don't get it...

But, like my wise grandfather once said, wish in one hand and #### in the other and see what you get. ;)

Siper2

08-31-2005, 06:27 PM

Right. :D

Okay I agree. Simple mis-phrase, I suppose! Yes the Legacy should supercede the Impreza in horsepower figures, among others... I agree to that as well.

But th Impreza has been Subaru's pivot for years, and that's carried over here, too. I think Subaru might be testing the waters to transfer its attention back to their flagship, but time will tell.

One might say the "turbo 4 craze" is fading, but it depends on who you talk to. I say it will, but it hasn't yet. Honda's back in the game with the new '06 Civic Si, but it's not top of the heap anymore, even with the improvements.

=S2=

Lookitsblue

08-31-2005, 07:30 PM

mmmm sexy

NC2.5RS

09-01-2005, 12:43 PM

Sex on wheels.

FrostyAK

09-01-2005, 02:30 PM

Were there any wallpapers of those on the Japan site? I looked around as much as I could but didn't find any. That sedan is hot.

- Chris

flyinpig

09-01-2005, 02:39 PM

Were there any wallpapers of those on the Japan site? I looked around as much as I could but didn't find any. That sedan is hot.

- Chris
Heres a link: Legacy wallpaper (http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?p=10808538&highlight=sweet#post10808538) (Only one wallpaper of the tuned by STI)

chris-man

09-02-2005, 01:18 AM

it is a nice car.

grzydj

09-02-2005, 03:35 PM

I've never really been all that impressed with sliced bread. Honestly I like really hearty non sliced bread that I cut on my own.

Siper2

09-02-2005, 03:39 PM

True, and only whole grain/wheat, none of that enriched crap with 4 million ingredients I can't pronounce.

:D

flyinpig

09-22-2005, 10:01 PM

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flyinpig

09-22-2005, 10:04 PM

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Diabolical1 CC

09-22-2005, 11:12 PM

Nice yes, Hottest thing? No!

Hottest:http://ads.skins.be/pics/jessicSimpJ1_01_1024.jpg

rallyken

09-22-2005, 11:43 PM

I would sell my little sister for those seats lol

MU5A5HI

09-23-2005, 12:23 AM

I'll take the stock seats with a Manual transmission please.

happasaiyan

09-23-2005, 09:31 AM

Nice yes, Hottest thing? No!

Hottest:http://ads.skins.be/pics/jessicSimpJ1_01_1024.jpg
im sorry, but that legacy IS way hotter than jessica simpson...

...jessica alba and kristin kreuk, maybe about equal...but definately not jessica simpson.

RedTRex

09-23-2005, 09:42 AM

im sorry, but that legacy IS way hotter than jessica simpson...

I agree....

sasquatch95

09-23-2005, 10:57 AM

those seats and wheels are beautiful. I also love the lowering the suspension. The one thing that turns me off about the Leggy GT is the standard wheel gap.

bring it over, baby!

Ghostrider600

09-23-2005, 06:10 PM

And we're "Lucky" enough to get the USDM Spec-B instead of this? Wow, count your blessings....THANKS SOA!! :rolleyes:

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