Just some quick info, Alex M. from Columbus took top time today at the 4th Annual East Coast Subaru Shootout with an 11.05 at around 134mph I believe, in his Element-tuned STi. I could be wrong but I think Alex also went 139mph multiple times towards the end of the day. Stock STi tires and everything, the whole car *looked* stock from the outside which made it that much more appealing, but man, it was rippin'.

Phil from Element was tuning a new set-up in the little time he was able to run, but still managed some low-mid 11's at 130mph + I believe, and then made the 4 hour drive home in it! Very impressive to say the least.

To watch these guys line up side by side and run numerous 11 second passes together was just fantastic to see. A big thanks go out to the both of them for making the trek to central PA to the Shootout this year

A few other Legacy Turbos, GT's, and WRXs made some good runs as well, all in all everyone had a good time as usual. No surprise there was a low turn out this year due to a few things, mainly being severe lack of promotion, but the guys that did show up got a bit of a bonus...FREE track time(With the lack of cars there this year Bob at Beaver Springs gave the guys there money back and said just run as many times as you can) and free hot dogs :banana: So good weather, good dogs, and five hours of track time for $0.00 Not too bad.

Again, I just want to thank Phil and Alex and the rest of the guys who were able to make it today. As I always said, it doesn't matter to me if only 5 people show up at the Shootout, if they have fun and go home happy, that's what's important.

Next year will be run quite a bit different. I'm looking forward to getting preperation started on it ASAP.

Thanks guys.

-Matt
W&L Subaru

Shik, You are a class guy putting up the money for the track. I can't wait till next year...With some proper promotion this could be a great event.

the etown evo/subie shootout took a lot of exposure away from this event.

any more info on the setup that car was running? Was he using nitrous?

any more info on the setup that car was running? Was he using nitrous?

If it is the same Alex i think it is the car is running our kingpin gt35r kit with NO nitrous.. He is really doing great out there, with some better driving he will be well into the 10's.

Congrats Alex!

Awesome times, congrats to Alex/Phil.

Good stuff :banana: :disco:

That 134mph trap should be good for a nice 10 second run.


Very Nice :)

Wow, you guys are rocking! Those are killer trap speeds!

So close to 10's. Damn. Alex is my customer and runs a Kingpin Setup. Phil tuned the Hydra and got the car up to nearly 600whp. Good job Alex!

Clark

So what WAS the fastest MPH...134 or 139?..

The 139 shows that car is more like a mid 10 second car if everything were to "click".

Congrats on the trap speeds and time. For some reason, I kept thinking the shootout was in September. The NHRA event took placeat Atco Raceway yesterday and today. I was at that event yesterday. Hrrmm!

Wow if it was a 139MPH... That is a awesome job of tunning. Maybe we can see 10's next week??

I take it that he is running the 1.06 a/r gt35r....

MARKGSTI, pretty certain it was 139mph from what I could see, but I didn't see his time slips. Alex also mentioned his 60ft's could have been better but he wasn't going nuts on the launches. The 11.05 run had a 1.7? 60ft.

Sorry I don't have more details on the motor/turbo itself.

Kevin, the last three years the Shootout was in September, but Sept in PA=Rain more days then not. Next year I am hoping for sometime in October in some cooler dryer air and far enough away from most other events.

WRXspitfire, thanks man, but everyone that showed up and ran deserve the credit, really. And trust me, the Shootout next year WILL be promoted.

I was totally hoping Alex or Phil would have hit the 10 second mark, but Alex had his personal best in ET and MPH, and Phil might have had personal bests in one or both as well, so I'm stoked for those guys...

And neither car went home broke :)

-Matt

Beaver Bob is da man !

Yes. Alex runs a 1.06 GT35R on a built axis motor with heads and Jun cams.

Clark

I want to give a special thanks to Matt (Shik) from W&L Subaru for hosting this event with Beaver Bob. Even with ominous skies and low turnout they hosted the event for the few that braved the weather and topped that with free admission.

This event has a great history with epic battles. I remember the first ever East Coast Subaru Shootout where the smack talking between Nathan at TurboXS and Al Friedman started 6 months before the event. The determination of these two to bury each other had the entire community rushing for front row seats. All this talk amounted to nothing as Nathan’s car was never finished so it was up to me to carry the torch for the shop. This appeared to be a monumental task as I had a stock 2.0 WRX engine with a VF30 and NX up against a JDM 2.0 with a GT30 and lots of N20. LOL!

The energy in the air was nothing less than electrifying as Al and I would one up each other with each pass down the track. He would run a 12.2 and I would run a 12.19 and we seemly beat each other by the slimmest of margins. With about 10 minutes left to go Al runs a 12.1 and the crowd cheers. At this point I had nothing left in the car. All of a sudden I look over and it’s like a NASCAR pit crew on steroids as parts were flying off my car faster than I can say, “What’s going on.” LOL! I think the funniest thing was watching Rifts WRX bear hug my passenger seat and rip it out in fell swoop.

I line up with less than 5 minutes left in the event and rip off a 12.01 and I swear I could here the crowd cheer a ¼ mile away. Just when I think I’ve got this one in the bag, with about 1 minute left to go Al turns up the boost into the heavens and won the event with an 11.8 with the crowd going nuts again. That is what this event is all about and has kept it alive these past few years even with all the rain outs.

This year I really wanted to show my support for the Subaru community and attend as many of these events as possible. Even though I knew I had no chance of winning the EVO/STI shootout with a circuit car I showed up to support the community and show the EVOs there are some fast Subarus. I drove 3 hours to the event, put on a show and drove 3 hours home with the car no worse for wear.

The East Coast Subaru Shootout was no different and I wanted to show my support and put on a good show. The drive ended up taking much longer than it should have but I made it there in 4 hours with only one hour left in the event. It really looked like it was going to poor rain at any moment so I rushed to get the car out for a few passes. I was able to run 9 passes in less than an hour and then drove home. How is that for reliability?

It was really fun to race again a customer that I had tuned his Element Hydra to just under 600 whp. To have two Element Hydra cars running low 11s side by side was highly enjoyable for me as it’s rare that I ever get to “race” at a drag event. The cool air was great for making power but the humidity made the track very slippery. I could tell Alex’s car was flying as he would pass me at the end of the track and while I wish he actually trapped at 139 mph, his fastest was 135.5 mph. This is a remarkable mph without N20 as we had severe traction issues at this track. We were both picking up about 35 mph on the second half of the track and at times I was breaking traction in 3rd gear but I was able to muster a 132.35 with my car misfiring badly in 4th.

My best ET was an 11.4. To run faster I really need to set my car up for drag racing and not circuit racing but I think I’ll give it one more try this year with some minor tweaks to the chassis and fix whatever’s causing my misfires.

I want to congratulate Alex on his time of 11.05 as it was so close to running 10s. This is a major accomplishment as he is just a customer like most of you on these boards. He pays for all his parts and pays me to tune his car so it’s really nice to see him come out on top. I take great pride in having customers win!

Thanks again to Matt, W&L, and Beaver Bob and I hope to see as many people attend this event next year.

Thanks,
Phil
http://www.elementtuning.com

a little more info on Alex's setup please. i also have axis heads W/ jun cams and will soon have the axis block. thinking of going with the GT35r kit from kingpin W/ .82 exhaust, but it seems like i will need 1.06 to reach 10s.

phil, can you show us alex's dyno graph? i'd like to see when he makes 20+psi. just curious how laggy that turbo is. thanks.

and congrats to alex for some fast drivin'!!! :)

a little more info on Alex's setup please. i also have axis heads W/ jun cams and will soon have the axis block. thinking of going with the GT35r kit from kingpin W/ .82 exhaust, but it seems like i will need 1.06 to reach 10s.

phil, can you show us alex's dyno graph? i'd like to see when he makes 20+psi. just curious how laggy that turbo is. thanks.

and congrats to alex for some fast drivin'!!! :)

Alex is running an Axis STG5 engine, ported heads, oversize valves, and JUN 272 cams. I really think the extra power is coming from the heads and cams and not so much from the 1.06 exhaust. With N20 the larger exhaust will allow lots of power.

http://www.elementtuning.com/images/Element%20Hydra%20GT35R%20106%20455%20pump%20590%2 0race.jpg

While the 1.06 is capable of flowing more it's up to you whether the lag is worth it or not. I run a .82 exhaust and I was trapping at 132.3 mph with some hefty misfires. I only had a few hours to tune my car with this new setup so I really need to get it on the dyno to see what kind of power it's making. If you go with a 1.06 it certainly will not hold you back. If you’re concerned with lag then get the .82 and change to the 1.06 if you feel it’s holding you back.

The reason it's so hard to hit 10s is that these larger turbochargers are not really making full power until half track. This is why so many use N20.

Thanks,
Phil
http://www.elementtuning.com

Alex is running an Axis STG5 engine, ported heads, oversize valves, and JUN 272 cams. I really think the extra power is coming from the heads and cams and not so much from the 1.06 exhaust. With N20 the larger exhaust will allow lots of power.

http://www.elementtuning.com/images/Element%20Hydra%20GT35R%20106%20455%20pump%20590%2 0race.jpg

While the 1.06 is capable of flowing more it's up to you whether the lag is worth it or not. I run a .82 exhaust and I was trapping at 132.3 mph with some hefty misfires. I only had a few hours to tune my car with this new setup so I really need to get it on the dyno to see what kind of power it's making. If you go with a 1.06 it certainly will not hold you back. If you’re concerned with lag then get the .82 and change to the 1.06 if you feel it’s holding you back.

The reason it's so hard to hit 10s is that these larger turbochargers are not really making full power until half track. This is why so many use N20.

Thanks,
Phil
http://www.elementtuning.com

thanks for the data phil. right now, i have the best axis heads you can buy. stage 2 valvetrain, ported/polished, oversized valves, jun cams...so i think alex and i are in the same boat in that dept.

my only concern with regards to lag is that my car will remain a daily driver. coming from an auto, i'm used to some pretty ridiculous lag, but i won't tolerate not reaching 20psi by 5K rpms. that is my limit.

i also have a 50hp shot of N20, so no worries of spooling it on the strip.

It will be interesting when some one runs a GT-35R class twin scroll to see if you can have power and spool.

If you don't want to wait for 5K rpm to hit 20 psi then don't go with the 1.06. Between the bigger valves, head porting, and lack of AVCS it's very laggy:

coolant AFR engine speed tps (%) (psi) speed knock(V)air temp (C)duty(%)knock ret.boost(%)cell X cell Yfuel pulse vacuum advance (deg.)

### 87 13.4 4,950.00 102 18.7 70 0.5 34 50.4 0 92 16 24 11.5 0 19
### 87 13 5,000.00 102 20.3 71 0.4 34 54.8 0 88 17 25 11.8 0 19
### 87 12.7 5,050.00 102 22.8 72 0.4 34 53.2 0 88.4 17 26 13.1 0 19
### 87 12.6 5,100.00 102 22.8 73 0.5 34 62.8 0 88.8 17 27 13.8 0 20
### 87 12.5 5,150.00 102 25.3 74 0.4 34 64 0 83.2 18 27 13.8 0 21
### 87 12.5 5,250.00 102 24.3 74 0.5 34 65.6 0 82.8 18 28 14.4 0 21
### 87 12.5 5,300.00 102 27.1 75 0.6 34 71.2 0 80.8 18 28 14.4 0 21
### 87 12.5 5,350.00 102 25.6 76 0.5 34 69.6 0 81.2 19 29 15.4 0 21
### 87 12.5 5,400.00 102 28.1 77 0.6 34 73.2 0 79.6 19 29 15.4 0 21
### 86 12.6 5,500.00 102 27.8 79 0.5 34 73.6 0 79.2 19 28 14.7 0 20
### 86 12.6 5,550.00 102 26.8 80 0.4 34 77.2 0 79.2 20 30 15.7 0 20
### 86 12.6 5,650.00 102 27.8 80 1 34 76.8 0 78.4 20 30 15.4 0 20
### 86 12.6 5,700.00 102 28.7 81 0.9 34 76 0 78.4 20 29 16 0 20
### 86 12.6 5,750.00 102 28.4 82 1 34 81.6 0 78.4 21 29 16 0 21
### 86 12.7 5,850.00 102 28.4 83 0.8 34 81.2 0 78.4 21 29 15.4 0 21
### 86 12.7 5,900.00 102 27.8 85 0.9 34 80.8 0 78.4 21 29 15.4 0 21
### 86 12.7 5,950.00 102 27.8 86 0.7 34 82 0 79.6 22 29 15.4 0 22
### 86 12.7 6,050.00 102 27.8 87 1.2 34 85.2 0 78.8 22 29 15.4 0 22
### 86 12.7 6,100.00 102 27.8 87 1.1 34 86.4 0 78.8 22 29 15.7 0 22
### 86 12.6 6,150.00 102 28.1 88 0.9 34 86.4 0 79.2 22 29 16 0 22
### 86 12.7 6,200.00 102 28.7 89 0.8 34 84 0 78 23 29 15.7 0 22
### 86 12.5 6,300.00 102 27.8 90 0.9 34 84.8 0 79.6 23 30 16 0 22
### 86 12.4 6,300.00 102 26.8 91 0.8 34 86.4 0 81.2 23 29 15.4 0 23
### 86 12.4 6,400.00 102 27.8 91 0.9 34 88.8 0 79.6 24 29 15.4 0 23
### 86 12.4 6,450.00 102 27.8 92 0.7 34 83.2 0 81.6 24 29 15 0 23
### 86 12.4 6,500.00 102 26.5 94 0.9 34 86 0 81.2 24 29 15.4 0 23
### 85 12.4 6,600.00 102 27.8 94 0.9 34 89.6 0 79.6 25 28 14.7 0 23
### 85 12.4 6,650.00 102 27.5 95 0.9 34 84.8 0 81.2 25 29 15 0 23
### 85 12.4 6,700.00 102 27.1 96 0.8 34 88.4 0 80 25 28 14.4 0 23
### 85 12.5 6,750.00 102 27.8 97 0.8 34 86 0 80.4 25 29 15 0 23
### 85 12.4 6,800.00 102 27.5 97 0.7 34 88 0 81.2 26 29 14.1 0 23
### 85 12.4 6,850.00 102 26.8 98 0.8 34 85.2 0 81.6 26 29 14.4 0 23
### 85 12.5 6,900.00 102 27.5 100 0.7 34 84.4 0 79.6 26 29 14.1 0 23
### 85 12.4 7,000.00 102 26.8 100 0.7 34 86.4 0 80 26 29 14.1 0 23
### 85 12.5 7,000.00 102 26.5 101 0.6 34 84.8 0 80.8 26 29 13.8 0 23
### 85 12.5 7,050.00 102 27.8 101 0.8 34 82.8 0 81.6 26 29 13.8 0 24
### 85 12.5 7,100.00 102 27.1 102 0.7 34 88 0 80.4 27 28 13.4 0 25
### 85 12.4 7,200.00 102 26.5 103 1.1 34 86.4 0 80.4 27 28 13.4 0 25
### 85 12.4 7,200.00 102 26.2 103 1 34 85.6 0 80 27 28 13.1 0 25
### 85 12.4 7,300.00 102 27.5 104 0.9 34 84.4 0 80 27 29 13.4 0 25

Thanks,
Phil
www.elementtuning.com

If you don't want to wait for 5K rpm to hit 20 psi then don't go with the 1.06. Between the bigger valves, head porting, and lack of AVCS it's very laggy:

Thanks,
Phil
www.elementtuning.com

no. i said i won't tolerate not reaching 20psi by 5K rpms. that graph shows 20psi by 5K rpms. so it's doable. is that Alex's datalog or from your car?

:)

no. i said i won't tolerate not reaching 20psi by 5K rpms. that graph shows 20psi by 5K rpms. so it's doable. is that Alex's datalog or from your car?

:)

OK :lol: Keep in mind this is in 4th gear going full throttle starting at 1900 rpm.

I have yet to dyno my new setup or even fully tune it but this is a log from Alex's car that matches the race gas dyno plot. Your car should be very similar if you're going to run the Hydra EMS.

Thanks,
Phil
www.elementtuning.com

OK :lol: Keep in mind this is in 4th gear going full throttle starting at 1900 rpm.

I have yet to dyno my new setup or even fully tune it but this is a log from Alex's car that matches the race gas dyno plot. Your car should be very similar if you're going to run the Hydra EMS.

Thanks,
Phil
www.elementtuning.com


well, considering my auto didn't spool 20+psi until about 5500, i think i'll be satisfied with the 1.06 a/r. but i'll follow your advice to be on the safe side and start out with the .82 a/r.

right now i am running a utec, but that could all change. i've been wanting to run a hydra, but i need to figure out a way to get around emissions testing first. the car is daily driver first, drag car second.

A few pics of two of the quickest Subes on the East Coast courtesy of Chad(gumpy):

Alex's STi
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a69/Mattshick/Alexscar.jpg
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a69/Mattshick/Alexscar3.jpg

The Element WRX
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a69/Mattshick/Philscar.jpg
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a69/Mattshick/Philscar2.jpg

-Matt

No Ac on the 11.04 car??

Does anybody know the weight of the car???
Its looks pretty stripped(not like its a bad thing..)

is there a reason why he is running the stock headers?