Here are my engine mods:

Stromung Ceramic Coated DP, Invidia Catback, Crucial Uppipe, Crucial Cooling Package, Hyperflow TMIC, Perrin Intercooler Hoses, Perrin Short Ram, Walbro GS341 Fuel Pump, NGK Iridium One Step Colder Plugs

Stock WRX on the dynapack at Agile Auto in Cockeysville, MD is around 175whp. The temperature was 85.8 F and the humidty was at 77%. Tune was made on straight 93 octane at 17 psi. Here is the final dyno sheet after 9 total runs on the dyno.

http://www.wrxfanatics.com/uploads/post-29-1125426357.jpg

seems like it should be higher? not sure tough

I have a WRX and not an STi...I think those are great numbers on the stock turbo for a WRX!!!

heck yeah. Good tune!

Was there a baseline run before you got tuned? That's the difference I'm looking for.. the before and after. Looks like good numbers to me.

I am going to the track on Halloween for the MIR track rental day, so I will post up some 1/4 mile times then.

Was there a baseline run before you got tuned? That's the difference I'm looking for.. the before and after. Looks like good numbers to me.

Baseline run on the cobb stage 2 map was 224 whp and 211 lb/ft of toque. I think the gains justify the cost of the protune :banana:

Nice numbers, but what's with the camel back torque curve? Do you feel that on the road.

No you don't feel it...that is the center diff bringing the wheels back to the same speed on the dyno because they are not connected with a dynapack.

how much did the tune cost you, how many maps were created?

I got one map, but he will email me a conservative and aggressive map soon. The cost of the tune is not to b e shared, but I will say that it is right around what everyone else charges for 2 hours of tuning.

Baseline run on the cobb stage 2 map was 224 whp and 211 lb/ft of toque. I think the gains justify the cost of the protune :banana:


definitely worth the money. Great gains.

Nice numbers, but damn the dropoff after 5.5K is pretty dramatic looking.

Jimbo

Nice numbers, but damn the dropoff after 5.5K is pretty dramatic looking.

Jimbo
Stock TD04's run out of breath after 5500. I bet that car is fun on the street though.

lowblows car runs awesome on the street,i talked him into a quick ride after the tune....by the way im the dude with the silver 05 that was at agile with you

Real fun...took an 05 corvette off the line like he was sitting still!!!

It is dramatic looking, but from what I know it's due to the walleyed perspective of the scaling of the chart. With better scaling, it would look less severe.

The numbers seem odd to me though. Nice HP number, but the TQ number doesn't seem to match. It might be a peculiarity of that dyno type though as most dynos have closer HP/TQ numbers from what I've seen.

Great another stock turbo wrx dyno chart.

:rolleyes:

Great another stock turbo wrx dyno chart.

:rolleyes:

Not sure if i'm missing the joke or not, but this has no place in this thread. Have some respect.

As far as i'm concerned 245 is a very solid number on a td04...the car is probably real responsive and fun to drive around. Enjoy it.

Great another stock turbo wrx dyno chart.

:rolleyes:


I am soon to be in the same boat as lowblow and planned on posting when I did, but should I not in fear of just posting up another stock turbo chart? :rolleyes:

nah I just miss v6turbota stirring the pot

but it doesn't mean squat until you get a 1/4 mile time

I got one map, but he will email me a conservative and aggressive map soon. The cost of the tune is not to b e shared, but I will say that it is right around what everyone else charges for 2 hours of tuning.

Im just tryin to get an idea of what the going rate is for 2 hrs of tuning, I just got my AP and do plan on getting protuned someday but dont wanna get screwed, ya know :)

I got one map, but he will email me a conservative and aggressive map soon.

Can this be done? I just got Protuned by Jorge and would love a more aggressive map also. Only was able to hit 15psi on the DynaPack.
The tuner can create another map without car on dyno?

Can this be done? I just got Protuned by Jorge and would love a more aggressive map also. Only was able to hit 15psi on the DynaPack.
The tuner can create another map without car on dyno?

Could, but I wouldn't do it, for very obvious reasons.

In perfect fairness, if I can't "touch it" I don't want the car doing it. Meaning, if I'm not with the car for an aggressive map, I don't want the car deciding on what's right and wrong at it's whim.

No different then my position on "off the shelf" maps. I'm not fond of the concept, not with the differences I see tuning cars.

Jorge (RiftsWRX)
www.ProjectWRX.com

Here are my engine mods:

Stromung Ceramic Coated DP, Invidia Catback, Crucial Uppipe, Crucial Cooling Package, Hyperflow TMIC, Perrin Intercooler Hoses, Perrin Short Ram, Walbro GS341 Fuel Pump, NGK Iridium One Step Colder Plugs

Stock WRX on the dynapack at Agile Auto in Cockeysville, MD is around 175whp. The temperature was 85.8 F and the humidty was at 77%. Tune was made on straight 93 octane at 17 psi. Here is the final dyno sheet after 9 total runs on the dyno.

http://www.wrxfanatics.com/uploads/post-29-1125426357.jpg

Great numbers!

http://www.projectwrx.com/albums/album26/aas.jpg

It's interesting how tuning is 3 parts art, 1 part science.

Every tuner has something they shoot for. It's cool seeing the personalities personified on a chart.

Jorge (RiftsWRX)
www.ProjectWRX.com

Can this be done? I just got Protuned by Jorge and would love a more aggressive map also. Only was able to hit 15psi on the DynaPack.
The tuner can create another map without car on dyno?

It would be easier, and safer, to be provided with a conservative map that contains a few degress less timing and maybe a little more fuel across the board.

The aggressive map could include 1-2 degrees more advance and maybe less fuel to be used only with race gas.

Jorge - What is it that you see in the my graphs that shows the tuners' "personality" ?

Nice numbers man ... I was very impressed with my "Protune" as well ... Although I was no so fortunate on the HP side as you were ... It could simply be your mods themselves contributing to the resonably high HP numbers ... Very nice none the less ... I'll pimp my plot just for comparison ...
Facility: TDC Tuning (Concord,NH)
Type of Dyno: Land and Sea
Baseline # for a stocker at the dyno: 170hp
Boost:15psi (Very hot day, wouldn’t hit target)
Fuel: 93oct/108oct
Target AFR: Unsure - Looks like about 11.8 tapering to 11.1
SAE Corrections: (Edit) SAE
Mods: 04’ wrx Stage2 … PDE Flex UP/TXS TBE/Cobb AP
Dyno Plots: AP Stage 2 v.1.30/Protuned 93oct/Protuned 108oct
(Edit)...........222hp/228tq........231hp/247tq.....243hp/257tq
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y109/pezman04wrx/PezmansDynoPlots1.bmp

BTW: Car ran 13.24@102.2 prior to tuning ... :D

Hill said that the high numbers could be attributed to the Hyperflow TMIC keeping the air charge cool...

Jorge - What is it that you see in the my graphs that shows the tuners' "personality" ?

An emphasis on peak numbers and seat of the pants kick.

Jorge (RiftsWRX)
www.ProjectWRX.com

Hill said that the high numbers could be attributed to the Hyperflow TMIC keeping the air charge cool...

I think it's more the simple fact that no one should be comparing actual numbers, but profiles and curves. a Land and Sea DYNOMite is not a DynaPack, is not a DynoJet, etc....

Case in point, the car I posted above had a FMIC!!! But... it significantly dropped off on power up top simply due to the fact that the little turbo couldn't keep things filled to redline (at least on the dyno). So I maximized spool up (compared to another stage 2 car we did with a OEM TMIC, this FMIC spooled up at the exact same point when I was done), and area under the curve.

Profiles and trends mean more then numbers, at least that's MHO.

Again though, great numbers, that torque hit at the beginning must really put a grin on your face!

Jorge (RiftsWRX)
www.ProjectWRX.com

Great numbers!

http://www.projectwrx.com/albums/album26/aas.jpg
http://www.wrxfanatics.com/uploads/post-29-1125426357.jpg

It's interesting how tuning is 3 parts art, 1 part science.

Every tuner has something they shoot for. It's cool seeing the personalities personified on a chart.

Jorge (RiftsWRX)
www.ProjectWRX.com

Though, you know... something isn't adding up, now that I look at this.

HP = ((Torque*RPM)/5250)

If we look at my plot at 5550 RPM I'm at 210 lb/ft.

((210*5550)/5250)=222 WHP, which coincides with what my plot shows for HP.

If we look at 5500 for you it's 217 lb/ft.

((217*5500)/5250)=227.3 WHP.

How are you getting 245? :huh:

Jorge (RiftsWRX)
www.ProjectWRX.com

Though, you know... something isn't adding up, now that I look at this.

HP = ((Torque*RPM)/5250)

If we look at my plot at 5550 RPM I'm at 210 lb/ft.

((210*5550)/5250)=222 WHP, which coincides with what my plot shows for HP.

If we look at 5500 for you it's 217 lb/ft.

((217*5500)/5250)=227.3 WHP.

How are you getting 245? :huh:

Jorge (RiftsWRX)
www.ProjectWRX.com

I really don't know...but what I do know, is that the car is a blast to drive and I am happy with the responsiveness and smoothness of the tune.

I really don't know...but what I do know, is that the car is a blast to drive and I am happy with the responsiveness and smoothness of the tune.

Redline:
(152.7*6792)/5250=197WHP vs. 212 reported

Torque Peak:
(224.8*3765)/5250=161WHP vs. 175 reported

At the least, I'd bring it up to your tuner so they can calibrate their dyno.

That's assuming torque is even being reported properly.

Jorge (RiftsWRX)
www.ProjectWRX.com

Jorge I agree with not comparing numbers, as they're rarely ever apples to apples ... I simply posted mine up in reference to lowblow wanting to know differences in tuning "Styles" per say ... Some tunes from what I've seen tend to have very flat/broad torque curves, where others are sparatic ... I'm sure beyond a doubt that alot of it is simply based on what mods have been done, but there are definatley differences that are apparent ... Case and point which I'm sure you've seen alot of would be the Cobb Stage2 maps ... I had an overlay (can't find the damn thing though) on the same day I dyno'd my car of a Stage2 car (Same mods) running the v1.22 maps, vs. my car running the v1.30 maps ... There was a big difference in the flatness of the torque curve from one to the other ... Cobb certainly improved/refined multiple things from the v1.22 maps to v1.30 maps ... Although it's a kind of generic reference, it shows simply how tuning can vary your plots ...

Side note ... The hp numbers on that chart do seem strange ... Ran the numbers on my plots to see where they stacked up ...
Base ... 210tq traslated to 220hp ... Dyno showed 222hp
Protuned ... 220tq traslated to 230.5hp ... Dyno showed 231hp
Race Gas ... 231tq traslated to 242hp ... Dyno showed 243hp

ran the same numbers with my stock sti

I wonder what the difference between an obviously uncalibrated DynaPack is compared to a Mustang(specifically the one at Gruppe-S). Seeing these numbers is freaking me out because I only pulled a 245hp and 232lb-ft @ 92° and 60%RH with a pro-tuned vf34(with catted dp).. Granted my curve is a lot broader than the original posters, but is the difference and measurement between the two dynos that great?

I wonder what the difference between an obviously uncalibrated DynaPack is compared to a Mustang(specifically the one at Gruppe-S). Seeing these numbers is freaking me out because I only pulled a 245hp and 232lb-ft @ 92° and 60%RH with a pro-tuned vf34(with catted dp).. Granted my curve is a lot broader than the original posters, but is the difference and measurement between the two dynos that great?

Doesn't sound too bad.

http://www.projectwrx.com/albums/album26/aaa.sized.jpg

That's a modified stage 2.5 on 92 octane. So that's not too bad. IIRC you're on 91 octane.

Jorge (RiftsWRX)
www.ProjectWRX.com

Illusion - I pulled 241WHP and 228WTQ on my VF34 setup with 91 octane on the Gruppe-S mustang dyno, so your numbers sound about right. Dynos are for tuning, so comparing numbers from different ones is just silly. If I wanted bragging numbers, I'd go to ATP's dynojet which reads ~25WHP higher.

The way I look at it is I picked up 10WHP across-the-board, got rid of a big flat spot on the torque curve from 4-5K and spool 400RPM sooner all while running a richer, safer A/F curve. Not bad.

Mike also picked up another 21WHP and 21WTQ with 96 octane, so well worth the $290 I spent, especially considering that included 5 gallons of 100 octane and tons of dyno time.

Jimbo

thank jumbo. makes me feel better. Yeah, overall driveability is FAR better than the cobb off the shelf map. I had a horrid dip at the CL/OL transition that felt like I hit a brick wall before mike got his hands on it, now it's as smooth as can be, I love it, but I want a tad more. I'm thinking of getting headers, getting the turbo ported, a bigger TMIC, crank pulley, and maybe some other toys. The VF34 put the power right where I want it, I just want a little bit more :D I'm a greedy bastid I know, poor car barely has 7k miles on it lol :)

http://www.projectwrx.com/albums/album26/aas.jpg

It's interesting how tuning is 3 parts art, 1 part science.

Every tuner has something they shoot for. It's cool seeing the personalities personified on a chart.

Jorge (RiftsWRX)
www.ProjectWRX.com

That's me. :D

was that Walboro FP necessary?

A tuner can't calibrate a Dynapack. They come from the factory completely ready to run. There is no way for a shop to uncalibrate or recalibrate the Dynapack without having the techs fly in from New Zealand. I use the Dynapack as it was intended. I don't even care about the numbers when I'm tuning. I look only at my torque gains over my last runs and the baseline runs. If we make gains and we're not too close to the knock threashhold then we keep tuning (this car never pinged a single time on our dyno). We use the dyno to find out what kind of gains the car has made from it's previous configuration under labratory conditions, not to compare our numbers to a totally different dynamometer. You can't compare dyno to dyno, especially roller dyno to hydraulic variable load dyno. If you want an explanation of how the Dynapack works just give Scott at Dynapack (559-292-3800) a call or visit Dynapack's website. I'm sure they'll be happy to explain the details to you.
I have no problems with Jorge... He seems to be a very good tuner so let's not have everybody get into a pissing contest. There's way too much of that on this board already.
-Hill
www.agileauto.com
410 628 9099

Illusion - Did you have Mike do a race gas map? My 96 octane map is noticeably faster, so I put in five gallons of 100 octane whenever I feel the itch for more power.

Jimbo

Great numbers!

http://www.projectwrx.com/albums/album26/aas.jpg

It's interesting how tuning is 3 parts art, 1 part science.

Every tuner has something they shoot for. It's cool seeing the personalities personified on a chart.

Jorge (RiftsWRX)
www.ProjectWRX.com

Why don't the HP and Torque curves cross at 5252? I thought they were supposed to always cross there due to the formula(s) used to get the HP/TQ numbers.

Why don't the HP and Torque curves cross at 5252? I thought they were supposed to always cross there due to the formula(s) used to get the HP/TQ numbers.

That's XX Tunings DynaPack 5500. If you look at the Y Axis lables, they are on different scales. Designed to put both peaks at the top of the chart. Personally, I'm all about keeping X and Y consistent. But that's how XX had their software configured.

Jorge (RiftsWRX)
www.ProjectWRX.com

I have no problems with Jorge... He seems to be a very good tuner so let's not have everybody get into a pissing contest. There's way too much of that on this board already.
-Hill


Agreed, and the feeling is mutual. :)

Jorge (RiftsWRX)
www.ProjectWRX.com

was that Walboro FP necessary?

Not necessary, but it will help keep the fuel flowing to the regulator which requires and extra psi of fuel per psi of boost. That means at peak boost of 17 the FPR runs a pressure of 60.5 psi...I don't think the stock pump is very efficient after 58psi, from what I have read.

Illusion - Did you have Mike do a race gas map? My 96 octane map is noticeably faster, so I put in five gallons of 100 octane whenever I feel the itch for more power.

Jimbo

I didn't have time the last trip. I am planning on it in the ner future though. Thanks for the pointers Jimbo.

Peter

this post is a bit late but i believe lowblow made these numbers with a stock 3rd cat and center pipe,his exhaust consists of a short dp and a 3"catback

Nice numbers, thanks for posting them up.... it gives the majority of us wrx owners around which numbers we may not be at.... nothing against them, but I was kind of sick of "OH EMMM GGEEEE 500 MILLION whp STI" threads and then nothing about them being at the track.... flamage isn't necessary at all...

let us know when you track her, nice numbers once again

this post is a bit late but i believe lowblow made these numbers with a stock 3rd cat and center pipe,his exhaust consists of a short dp and a 3"catback

Correct, this was done with the stock 3rd cat in the midpipe. I just received my Crucial Racing Race pipe today :banana:

Paul, you still smiling? I am.. I still scare the crap out of myself sometimes.. =)

That's me. :D