So it has been 4 days since I havent seen my subie, but today ICBC sent my car over to "Tom's Custom Autobody" to get an estimate on the cost of fixing it. However, the car just arrived to the shop a few minutes before it is closing, so they told me that they could give me a quote probably tomorrow afternoon.

Here are some pics of it : Sorry about the bad quality pics from my phone.

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The spoiler was broken off the car last time, maybe the person put it back in place, but it is loose for sure.

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The rear fender beside the taillight is damaged.

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It is hard to tell by the picture but the inside of the trunk is actually pushed in.

What do you guys think? Fixable?

ouch, im guessing no one was seriously hurt.

i think its fixable

wow.. march... looks like is a fixable case just my guess... but really have to let them estimate of the impact to the chassis , hard to tell

Yeah man, it looks worst in real person than in those pictures actually because you can't see how is the inside of the trunk is like.

Any professionals can give me an idea on this?

damn...hope they can tell you the estimate asap... good luck~

It would suck if they have to cut out that rear quarter section and weld a new one in. They can weld a new trunk pan in if they can't hammer it out. I'd guess $5,000 after parts and labour.

thats definiately fixable.

Be sure the trunk and everything lines up after the repairs are finished. Speaking from experience, the rear end will never be the same again after they are finished with the quarter panel and trunk/bumper area.

Whoa, talk about creepy. I was driving by Toms today and saw the suby and thought to myself "Damn, I wonder if that was anybody from the club".

And here we are. Good luck man, It looked horrible in person :(.

Whoa, talk about creepy. I was driving by Toms today and saw the suby and thought to myself "Damn, I wonder if that was anybody from the club".

And here we are. Good luck man, It looked horrible in person :(.

Yeah I totally agree with you, the car looks way more horrible in real person to me because my sucky phone camera can't take good shots.
Well, even though the shop estimate yet, they told me it would be at least $8000, that is just an assumption made without even looking closely at it.

:mad: thanks a lot to the lady who did that to me, I hope you sleep well tonight.

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^see the similarity in our damages? your car has been hit the same way mine did. it is fixable....but i don't think you would want to fix it cuz your frame might've been messed up...therefore they might have to cut the back part of the car off and somehow mend it together with new parts (well, that's what they said to me for my car). it'll be like driving a "lego" car...which is not safe because when i asked them about the safety of it afterwards, they were like, "=S sorry....but we can't guarantee the safety...". my estimated damage was $17000...dunno about yours tho...

damn that sucks...hope it all works out march :(

what the hell $17000 and frame damage but still not considered totalled????!?
damn march hope thats not gonna happen to u..:(

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^see the similarity in our damages? your car has been hit the same way mine did. it is fixable....but i don't think you would want to fix it cuz your frame might've been messed up...therefore they might have to cut the back part of the car off and somehow mend it together with new parts (well, that's what they said to me for my car). it'll be like driving a "lego" car...which is not safe because when i asked them about the safety of it afterwards, they were like, "=S sorry....but we can't guarantee the safety...". my estimated damage was $17000...dunno about yours tho...

Thanks guys for the info.

ChopChop: He didn't say whether or not he is totalled though. He might.

Ouch, that looks like it hurt :(

On a side note, I'm going to the same Autobody on Thursday :D

o yea true.. nvm i guess its totalled or else she woudln't be driving a WRB 05... if its not safe then i dun think ICBC would not considered it totalled.. so good luck! message me on msn once you find out...

looking at those pics makes me want to cry. considering u have that much damage its good to know that u are safe. i live in edmonton so car accidents are a way of life.

i know u love your car but u may have to say farewell.

It's a SHE!!!

nono, icbc is stupid. they were gonna fix it when the market value of my car was 19000 (2000 more than the damage). but even if mine were a TS (cheaper than wrx) the damage is still too much to even consider to fix...might as well get a new car rite? so in the end, icbc made it a "total loss" and then now i drive a WRX =)...so in a way it wasn't that bad...except for the injuries...

It's a SHE!!!

lol =P

god damn.. why cant my wrx cant fix then... since the rear end costed about $17000 to fix~... omg~... freakin icbc :mad: made me lost my wrx :rolleyes:

Kelvin, why didn't you just buy a 2nd hand wrx or something with the money you used on the Legacy?

nono, icbc is stupid. they were gonna fix it when the market value of my car was 19000 (2000 more than the damage). but even if mine were a TS (cheaper than wrx) the damage is still too much to even consider to fix...might as well get a new car rite? so in the end, icbc made it a "total loss" and then now i drive a WRX =)...so in a way it wasn't that bad...except for the injuries...

u said u had a TS? that's why $17k ICBC would consider a total loss after u fight...cuz a new one was only like $22k or so...yet a WRX is like $35k so if the damage is only like $17k...i bet they won't write it off...

civilone: do u have any pix from the side? by just the rear "view"...that looks like some damage about $8k to $10k (properly fixed and aligned)...just not sure about the two 1/4 panels are...

u said u had a TS? that's why $17k ICBC would consider a total loss after u fight...cuz a new one was only like $22k or so...yet a WRX is like $35k so if the damage is only like $17k...i bet they won't write it off...

civilone: do u have any pix from the side? by just the rear "view"...that looks like some damage about $8k to $10k (properly fixed and aligned)...just not sure about the two 1/4 panels are...

nono, doesn't matter as long as the damage is a lot they will write it off if you pressure them to. cuz if you think about it, if you decide to let them fix it, your car will be worth very little when you sell it back out one day anyways, so might as well write it off rite? but if you really love your car and don't want to get rid of it...you CAN let them fix it, but in the end you lose money that's all.
civilone: ask the mechanics if your frame is demented/bent or not and make sure control arms and everything aint damaged that bad (even better if there's no damage but i highly doubt it). by the looks of your damage, it seems like the trunk will have to be completely replaced...but who knows....

not too bad march. nothing ppl cant fix! remember all new parts!

Thanks Explicit_hunni, I went to Tom's Custom Autobody today and they mechanic told me that there is absolutely no damages to the frame or the suspension at all. So he concluded that most of the damages are the cosmetics, which costs roughly $8000. He would provide me with new parts such as a new bumper, trunk, and rear fenders.

Ps: When I was at Tom's, I saw a gray bugeye with OZ superleggra WRX that was rear ended as well, but his situation is not as bad as mine. Anyways, your car look familiar, I am definitely sure that I have seen you in a meet before.

nono, doesn't matter as long as the damage is a lot they will write it off if you pressure them to. cuz if you think about it, if you decide to let them fix it, your car will be worth very little when you sell it back out one day anyways, so might as well write it off rite? but if you really love your car and don't want to get rid of it...you CAN let them fix it, but in the end you lose money that's all.
civilone: ask the mechanics if your frame is demented/bent or not and make sure control arms and everything aint damaged that bad (even better if there's no damage but i highly doubt it). by the looks of your damage, it seems like the trunk will have to be completely replaced...but who knows....

i don't think that's how it works

ICBC ususally based on the car's value to decide if they are going to write off the car, or if they are going to repair it...and of course...whose at fault does matter too (cuz if u are at fault, they will push the limit higher and if someone else is...they might give u a break ~ that's based from my limited autobody experience :) )

as far as i know if the first estimate value is about 70% of the cars value then they will consider writting it off...of cuz, if u get like 80 or 90% of the value, they will write off for sure...

when it is at about 60 to 70%...they will work thru the whole estimate and try to pick if there is really anything else major that can possibly added onto the repair...if there is nothing and if they think they can save money that way...they will still repair, if not, they will write it off and auction the car ASAP...

since u had a 2004 TS Sedan, that car is like $23k + taxes new and with about $17k first estimate, they will definitely write it off because that's already more than 70% of the car's value...yet for a WRX the car is like $35k+ taxes...unless the car's structure is really affected (from the pix, ur car does look worse than Civilone's)...it's really hard for them to call it write off...my friend's friend had a BMW 330i and she got T boned...the right front seat is pushed to the center console and the center console is pushing the driver seat against another door...$25k or $30k damage i forgot...but that was still a repairable according to NO 1 collision :(

when u have a higher value car, it's always better if u lease it so that u can get rid of it later on...but if u have a cheap car, then it's just gonna write off so easy (99 Civic HB, got T boned and no one is even hurt, just all three panels has damage + left front suspension etc, ICBC first estimates $5700 and we brought it up to $9700 when we tear the car apart for inspection, write off right the way, and the car doesn't even look that bad...04 Civic Sedan, got T boned and no one is hurt, damage is ONLY right front door and right rear door...same $10k damage and ICBC says there is still a lot of room before it is written off)... :mad:

Thanks Explicit_hunni, I went to Tom's Custom Autobody today and they mechanic told me that there is absolutely no damages to the frame or the suspension at all. So he concluded that most of the damages are the cosmetics, which costs roughly $8000. He would provide me with new parts such as a new bumper, trunk, and rear fenders.

Ps: When I was at Tom's, I saw a gray bugeye with OZ superleggra WRX that was rear ended as well, but his situation is not as bad as mine. Anyways, your car look familiar, I am definitely sure that I have seen you in a meet before.

are u injured? maybe u can get some good money from claiming injury (if u are)...good luck!

i think i have seen explicit_hunni's Silver TS at the abbostford gas meet in March? not sure if i am right!?

i was the guy w/ purple Civic HB...

I still have one more question, can I claim for the car's value as well? What I mean is that if I decide to sell my car in the future, then this incident would certainly cause a decrease in value for sure right? May I claim this from ICBC?

I still have one more question, can I claim for the car's value as well? What I mean is that if I decide to sell my car in the future, then this incident would certainly cause a decrease in value for sure right? May I claim this from ICBC?

i don't think it is possible... and this is life.
we need some better luck for the rest of this yr.

i don't think that's how it works

ICBC ususally based on the car's value to decide if they are going to write off the car, or if they are going to repair it...and of course...whose at fault does matter too (cuz if u are at fault, they will push the limit higher and if someone else is...they might give u a break ~ that's based from my limited autobody experience :) )

as far as i know if the first estimate value is about 70% of the cars value then they will consider writting it off...of cuz, if u get like 80 or 90% of the value, they will write off for sure...

when it is at about 60 to 70%...they will work thru the whole estimate and try to pick if there is really anything else major that can possibly added onto the repair...if there is nothing and if they think they can save money that way...they will still repair, if not, they will write it off and auction the car ASAP...

since u had a 2004 TS Sedan, that car is like $23k + taxes new and with about $17k first estimate, they will definitely write it off because that's already more than 70% of the car's value...yet for a WRX the car is like $35k+ taxes...unless the car's structure is really affected (from the pix, ur car does look worse than Civilone's)...it's really hard for them to call it write off...my friend's friend had a BMW 330i and she got T boned...the right front seat is pushed to the center console and the center console is pushing the driver seat against another door...$25k or $30k damage i forgot...but that was still a repairable according to NO 1 collision :(

when u have a higher value car, it's always better if u lease it so that u can get rid of it later on...but if u have a cheap car, then it's just gonna write off so easy (99 Civic HB, got T boned and no one is even hurt, just all three panels has damage + left front suspension etc, ICBC first estimates $5700 and we brought it up to $9700 when we tear the car apart for inspection, write off right the way, and the car doesn't even look that bad...04 Civic Sedan, got T boned and no one is hurt, damage is ONLY right front door and right rear door...same $10k damage and ICBC says there is still a lot of room before it is written off)... :mad:

in most aspects you are right, but sometimes icbc is unpredictable. at first they wanted to fix my car no matter what but then when we argued if they can guarantee the safety...that's when they started considering a write off. cuz technically, they had to cut 1/3 to almost 1/2 of my frame and weld on with new parts...but imagine if same thing happens again, maybe this time the car will fall apart in the accident(anything's possible right?) so yea...then they wrote it off =)
My brother used ot have a civic that was worth 12000 at that time and the damage was 24000 (seriously) and icbc fixed that and wouldn't write it off. so yea, not everybody is the same. however, you are right in a sense that usually if the damage is 70%+ of the car's market value, then they will write it off; otherwise they'd just fix it :mad:
one thing's for sure tho, your car won't run the same as it used to

are u injured? maybe u can get some good money from claiming injury (if u are)...good luck!

i think i have seen explicit_hunni's Silver TS at the abbostford gas meet in March? not sure if i am right!?

i was the guy w/ purple Civic HB...

yea, i was at the abbotsford meet (to get cheap gas rite lol =P). i was the second car in the lead...and then somehow we lost the rest of you guyz and there were just the three of us lol.

i don't think it is possible... and this is life.
we need some better luck for the rest of this yr.

Alrighty man.

I still have one more question, can I claim for the car's value as well? What I mean is that if I decide to sell my car in the future, then this incident would certainly cause a decrease in value for sure right? May I claim this from ICBC?

yeah there is no chance u can get money for depreciation

what icbc offers is they will have 2 years warranty for the repair, structural/paint should be lifetime from most ICBC accredited body shops...yet any parts they replace only has one year from factory or parts supplier and mechanical/electrical will be on your own unless u can prove, or the shop can prove it's accident related

so if it's not ur fault and if u can get money from injury, then hopefully that balance it out...of course, everyone hopes no one is "injured"...

in most aspects you are right, but sometimes icbc is unpredictable. at first they wanted to fix my car no matter what but then when we argued if they can guarantee the safety...that's when they started considering a write off. cuz technically, they had to cut 1/3 to almost 1/2 of my frame and weld on with new parts...but imagine if same thing happens again, maybe this time the car will fall apart in the accident(anything's possible right?) so yea...then they wrote it off =)
My brother used ot have a civic that was worth 12000 at that time and the damage was 24000 (seriously) and icbc fixed that and wouldn't write it off. so yea, not everybody is the same. however, you are right in a sense that usually if the damage is 70%+ of the car's market value, then they will write it off; otherwise they'd just fix it :mad:
one thing's for sure tho, your car won't run the same as it used to

for your case, i agree ICBC should write off your car as well...but for civilone's case, just by the look of the pix i have estimated $8k to $10k (he says it's already at $8k now, so possibly when it's all done, close to $9k or $10K)...

for my friend's case, two doors + the B Pillar doesn't look and doesn't really affect that much of the structure of the car...that's why ICBC consider that's a go ahead and repair

when i was working in the autobody shop before, a friend of mine sent a car in for an ICBC claim, he spun at high speed and the whole rear end of his Celica is gone....$9k for first estimate and we brought it up to $16k and ICBC was considering to write it off but ended up they didn't

cuz the manager pulled the record of the driver and he had 5 accidents that year 4 of them he was at fault...accident was from $2k to $12k damage before and he just ordered us to go ahead and repair...

lots of the time ICBC review the case on both the car's condition + the driver's record + whose fault to determine if the car is repairable or not...in his case, ICBC really told us to just chop the whole rear end and replaced it...yet he was lucky the bodyman who takes the job really spent his time from doing it (our shop actually paid him extra hours on our own ~ cost it's a pretty big $ claim)...the car is still on the road but yeah...a car w/ that kinda damage will never drive the same... :rolleyes:

yea, i was at the abbotsford meet (to get cheap gas rite lol =P). i was the second car in the lead...and then somehow we lost the rest of you guyz and there were just the three of us lol.

i think i was one of those guys at the back (there were still guys behind me tho) and on the way back out i had some fun w/ Happy Days and his friend...

sigh, miss those day's gas price...now it's so expensive...

did u get loss on the way out or? cuz we all headed back to BCIT

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^see the similarity in our damages? your car has been hit the same way mine did. it is fixable....but i don't think you would want to fix it cuz your frame might've been messed up...therefore they might have to cut the back part of the car off and somehow mend it together with new parts (well, that's what they said to me for my car). it'll be like driving a "lego" car...which is not safe because when i asked them about the safety of it afterwards, they were like, "=S sorry....but we can't guarantee the safety...". my estimated damage was $17000...dunno about yours tho...

ahh.. so that's what happen to that car. I've seen it a couple of times on knight st.