I was headed to Kingpin perofrmance today, in fact I was at 42nd st and University when this guy...sob sob...decided to lock up his breaks..sob sob..poor scooby.


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That really blows, sorry that happened to you. :(

crap :(

the weird thing is, i was going to head over to kingpin but had a very bad vibe about traffic due to an accident right on apache next to ASU...

scary, glad you are fine though.

how is the engine?

You're ok, thats the main thing...the car doesn't look too bad. I am sure she will be back to good as new in no time.

does it run? I had about that much damage to the front of my car in my accident this year, yet the radiator bracket was pushed back in the engine. Instant blown engine.

That sucks. Is it going to be totaled?

does it run? I had about that much damage to the front of my car in my accident this year, yet the radiator bracket was pushed back in the engine. Instant blown engine.

livin up to your name huh? hehe

Hope the person that hit you had good insurance! Maybe a good time for a body kit? ;)

dang man, sorry to see that. hope you're alright minus the loss of your car.

Hope the person that hit you had good insurance! Maybe a good time for a body kit? ;)Don't think it's their fault, so their insurance is not a concern. Maybe they were both cited, but usually if you rear end someone it is your fault. You should travel a safe distance away from any vehicle to allow you do react to and avoid anything they do. Seems to me that's what the laws imply.

Glad you're okay, daschae.

Yea, anytime you hit the back of someone its your fault, no matter what. The picture of the back of the car is his car, my car has damage to the front only. It still runs, I drove it into that lot nearby. Im guessing they are going to replace the radiator and supports along with hood bumper and fenders, doesnt look too bad. I think its a good time to slip on the new perrin light weight pulley. If anyone wants that STi hood scoop let me know, Im going to have them put on the smaller wrx scoop. I was only going about 10mph when I hit him, his car is BAAADD, mine is just ouch. No airbags deployed. The other driver did come running up to my window saying he was going to "beat my ****ing ass" I just asked if he was ok he was kind of a dumb dumb. The cop agreed and gave him a ticket for no registration because he kept saying he was going to beat me up, so the cop decided to be a dick to him which was kinda cool I suppose. Talk about a bad day for that guy. I had a dream that when my car was fixed the guy i hit was allowed to drive it and he was telling me how fast it was, man i woke up SO PISSED hahaha. Anyways, im cool thanks.

livin up to your name huh? hehe
Don't ask. :lol:



daschae: I can't believe the air bags didn't deploy. Good thing too, as they are about $3000 total to have new ones put in.

That was only 10mph? :eek: Any idea why he decided to stop like he did?

Glad to hear no injuries.Very sorry 'bout the car though.:(
Sure put a hurting on his rearend...

you were the accident that made me late for my interview? hope everyoone was ok. I was like this is ****ty traffic then i saw all the lanes to one lane.

don't feel bad,i havn't had my car for over a month because it's been getting front end work done. I hope to get it back by friday though.

Yea, anytime you hit the back of someone its your fault, no matter what. The picture of the back of the car is his car, my car has damage to the front only. It still runs, I drove it into that lot nearby. Im guessing they are going to replace the radiator and supports along with hood bumper and fenders, doesnt look too bad. I think its a good time to slip on the new perrin light weight pulley. If anyone wants that STi hood scoop let me know, Im going to have them put on the smaller wrx scoop. I was only going about 10mph when I hit him, his car is BAAADD, mine is just ouch. No airbags deployed. The other driver did come running up to my window saying he was going to "beat my ****ing ass" I just asked if he was ok he was kind of a dumb dumb. The cop agreed and gave him a ticket for no registration because he kept saying he was going to beat me up, so the cop decided to be a dick to him which was kinda cool I suppose. Talk about a bad day for that guy. I had a dream that when my car was fixed the guy i hit was allowed to drive it and he was telling me how fast it was, man i woke up SO PISSED hahaha. Anyways, im cool thanks.


yeah most people in Phoenix have this automatic animosity toward japanese cars... :rolleyes: some a-hole was following and tailgating me for miles just cuz I passed him (he's doing 65 in the left lane)... anyway...beat you up, he said? I'll be like - do it! Make sure, there're witnesses, roll with the punch, fall to the ground...civil lawsuit will pay for increase in the insurance premium (post accident) and leave you plenty for aftermarket upgrades :banana:

I think I need a tissue!

no "buffing right out" comments yet?

you were the accident that made me late for my interview? hope everyoone was ok. I was like this is ****ty traffic then i saw all the lanes to one lane.

Sorry dude, I only left my car there for like 2 minutes, then I moved into a parking lot because whenever I drive by an accident that isnt bad I always think, dude...move your ****ing car.

The other guy's car sucks anyway. He should just take the bus. I mean I would if I was forced to drive a KIA or whatever that thing is.

Yea, anytime you hit the back of someone its your fault, no matter what. The picture of the back of the car is his car, my car has damage to the front only. It still runs, I drove it into that lot nearby. Im guessing they are going to replace the radiator and supports along with hood bumper and fenders, doesnt look too bad. I think its a good time to slip on the new perrin light weight pulley. If anyone wants that STi hood scoop let me know, Im going to have them put on the smaller wrx scoop. I was only going about 10mph when I hit him, his car is BAAADD, mine is just ouch. No airbags deployed. The other driver did come running up to my window saying he was going to "beat my ****ing ass" I just asked if he was ok he was kind of a dumb dumb. The cop agreed and gave him a ticket for no registration because he kept saying he was going to beat me up, so the cop decided to be a dick to him which was kinda cool I suppose. Talk about a bad day for that guy. I had a dream that when my car was fixed the guy i hit was allowed to drive it and he was telling me how fast it was, man i woke up SO PISSED hahaha. Anyways, im cool thanks.

Not always but 99% I would say. about 7 years ago I was with my dad when a guy cut us off and slammed on his brakes, so obviously we werent following too closely, the guy caused the small amount of space between the cars so when state patrol rolled up we explained the situation and only he was cited for the accident.

So you still wanna swap trunks?? :)

-Shane

yea, i do wanna swap trunks. I get my car back in 2 weeks or so, maybe less. They called me today..$6300 to fix it. Its at Select Auto Body on 7th ave and Camelback. Call me next week and we can meet up to check your trunk out. David 480-612-7350

you werent able to outbrake the POS with Kuhmo Ectas and brembo brakes? Woah.

Be careful out there. On my way back from kingpin last weekend I was unfortunate enough to witness a pretty bad accident on the 10 just a few minutes after it took place (cops hadn't even arrived). Not a pretty sight, lots of blood and a mangled car.... :(

glad you're ok!



I'LL TAKE THE SCOOP!!!

yeah most people in Phoenix have this automatic animosity toward japanese cars... :rolleyes: some a-hole was following and tailgating me for miles just cuz I passed him (he's doing 65 in the left lane)... anyway...beat you up, he said? I'll be like - do it! Make sure, there're witnesses, roll with the punch, fall to the ground...civil lawsuit will pay for increase in the insurance premium (post accident) and leave you plenty for aftermarket upgrades :banana:


Glad to hear that your ok. The lawsuit idea is a good one but thats another reason why I always have my concealed weapons permit and gun or some sort of other weapon handy. When you get out of the car with one of those that usually gives a holes like that a quick reality check. :lol:

When you get out of the car with one of those that usually gives a holes like that a quick reality check. :lol:You have your permit so you must have gone through the class, and therefore you know that brandishing your weapon in the situation you describe is not justified, and will expose you to both criminal and civil liability.
:rolleyes:

You have your permit so you must have gone through the class, and therefore you know that brandishing your weapon in the situation you describe is not justified, and will expose you to both criminal and civil liability.
:rolleyes:


True, but only if it's presented in a threating manner. If you get out of your car and the weapon happens to be in in a holster or something where it is still visible but not presented, hanging off of your belt, then if the person is stupid enough to hit you, then you used your impact weapon as self defence.

You all do know that (assuming you took the class) that a weapon in a holster can be placed anywhere in your vehicle... to include underneath the seat, in the door, etc...

Also, IIRC from the class, if you are actively concealing a weapon then there is no exception made for an "accidental" showing of your weapon..

Anyways, back on topic.. I'll be waxing the crap out of my trunk =)

-Shane

Was there skid marks where he locked up the brakes? If there is that means he targeted you. You need to see if he has any other claims for that. People out there make a living off of that ****. They just out of no were brake check you, you rearend them and they collect the cash. onto the next person.

Make sure they check for this. This would easly turn the ball in your favor.

I dont think he was trying to scam me, my insurance company is looking into it because I let them know he was the only one stopped. The brembos and Kuhmos would have stopped faster, the problem was I wasnt looking... Its hard to admit that, but had I been looking the whole thing would have never happened. BTW I do have a concealed weapons permit and had my Smith and Wesson Airlite .357 in my pocket. I didnt feel intimidated by this guy, let alone in fear for my life. The problem with showing someone the gun, is it elevates the situation. If he tried to attack me, then I would HAVE to shoot him becuase I will never be shot with my own gun. After I hit his car, I figured his adrenalin was pumping and he wasnt thinking straight. Had he been a big guy, or held an object that could have caused me damage, I would have simply drove away in my Scoobyru. I take carrying a weapon very seriously because god forbid I ever actually have to use it, I want to be sure it was the absoulte last resort, I would rather take an ass whooping than serve life.

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I just exposed (one of) my weapons. Y'all gonna sue me? Seriously, depending on the difference in size of your opponent, you can justify the use of a firearm in physical confrontations. Personaly though, I don't expose my weapon for any longer than the 8/10's of a second it takes for me to draw and fire the 200 grain +p 45 rounds through your skull. http://community.the-underdogs.org/smiley/armed/mgwhore.gif

I take carrying a weapon very seriously because god forbid I ever actually have to use it, I want to be sure it was the absoulte last resort, I would rather take an ass whooping than serve life.


Blah blah blah. I used to be authorized to shoot through hostages if necessary. It's called natural selection, if anyone is dumb enough to throw down with me, I am just helping nature out by removing them from the gene pool. I don't take ass whoopin's, I hand 'em out.

tough guy with a gun.

Blah blah blah. I used to be authorized to shoot through hostages if necessary. It's called natural selection, if anyone is dumb enough to throw down with me, I am just helping nature out by removing them from the gene pool. I don't take ass whoopin's, I hand 'em out.

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tough guy with a gun.

No, I'm a tough guy without a gun. With a gun I am lethal. :devil: But that's the point, isn't it?

And who said I was e-thuggin? I am just telling it like it is. :lol:


BTW the smilie selection here is http://community.the-underdogs.org/smiley/puke.gif

If some guy comes up to my window and threatens to kick my ass, I will also plant my USP .45 compact into his face and kindly tell him if he doesn't back the f(beep)ck up, I'm going to blow his nose out the back of his head.

It's not a matter of being tough. It's a matter of letting the guy know that it's not a good idea to approach somebody he doesn't know with fists flailing; that today is his lucky day he approached a "nice" guy since perhaps next time he wouldn't be so lucky...

Nice Hk BTW el_jefeSRT4. Is that yours?

-Brett

yeah well my dad could kick your dad's ass! lets have a moron competition.

No, I'm a tough guy without a gun. With a gun I am lethal. :devil:


That's great!! One of the best gun lines I've heard in a while. :disco:

damn... sucks man...

If some guy comes up to my window and threatens to kick my ass, I will also plant my USP .45 compact into his face and kindly tell him if he doesn't back the f(beep)ck up, I'm going to blow his nose out the back of his head.

It's not a matter of being tough. It's a matter of letting the guy know that it's not a good idea to approach somebody he doesn't know with fists flailing; that today is his lucky day he approached a "nice" guy since perhaps next time he wouldn't be so lucky...

Nice Hk BTW el_jefeSRT4. Is that yours?

-Brett

Hell ya it's good to see that I'm not the only one who isn't going to sit there and take any **** from anybody, more so from someone who basically caused the accident and is now wanting to kick my ass.....sorry doesn't work that way. :disco:

Try that in Miami. You get out of your car and threaten someone on the street, you're liable to get your head shot all over the pavement.

Now anybody who is willing to take that risk obviously has no judgment or control over himself or the situation. I am only to assume (and rightly so) that this person is capable and willing to inflict harm upon me or anybody else in the vehicle. Why should I have to put up with that? I don't and that's my choice just like everything else in life.

yeah well my dad could kick your dad's ass! lets have a moron competition.

Okay, you win.

-Brett

Try that in Miami. You get out of your car and threaten someone on the street, you're liable to get your head shot all over the pavement..

oh god here we go..... "My 'hood is harder than your 'hood" and "Try that ish in [Enter your "hardcore" city here]"

man this thread is just oozing e-thugs...

just wait until that day comes and you do have the unfortunate event of actually shooting someone.. Maybe then you'll be "enlightened" in knowing that YOUR definition of "self-defense" and the STATES definition of "self-defense" are drastically different.

For the Arizonans (you know, because no 'hood is harder than mine :rolleyes: ):

AZ Criminal Code (http://www.azleg.state.az.us/ArizonaRevisedStatutes.asp?Title=13)

Chapter 4 deals with "justification" and Manslaughter has a Five year sentence.. not to mention that the Class 2 Felony will prohibit you from EVER owning a firearm again..

-Shane

E-thug??? What on earth are you babbling about? Wait until I have the unfortunate event? Give me a freaking break. Yeah I'm not going to defend myself in a threatening situation because if I do I will get 5 years for manslaughter. What point are you trying to make?

Comparing "hoods"? Is that all you have? You clearly missed the point. The point I was making was that if I'm driving down Pembroke like I do every morning on my way to work and some punk approaches my window threatening to kick my ass, based on the demographics (YES DEMOGRAPHICS) of this particular area, I am only to assume this person is attempting to harm me or my passengers. Ask yourself, what kind of person is willing to approach a stranger's vehicle at 5 am in the middle of nowhere and threaten them? The answer is the kind of person that would do ANYTHING for a couple bucks...

Tell me smart guy what YOU would do? Oh wait, you already told me. You wouldn't do anything because if you do, you're going to end up in prison for 5 years. How about the idea that if you don't take action and assume total control of the situation, you're going to end up dead. :rolleyes: x 500000

Oh MY definition of self defense? Tell me please what you THINK my definition of self defense is. The point is to use proper judgment to identify and react to a threatening situation. Typical for someone LIKE YOU to assume that if I'm carrying a concealed weapon in my vehicle, I am DREAMING of the day I finally get to shoot somebody. Otherwise, tell me your rational behind the statement, "just wait until that day comes and you do have the unfortunate event of actually shooting someone..." Yeah I can't wait... :rolleyes:

BTW Shane, I learn from experience. I have been on the other side of the barrel and I already know the importance of self defense. I would be interested in hearing what kind of experience YOU have other than the Arizona law... because you KNOW the government is ALWAYS there for you when you need them....

-Brett

Thank god Florida statutes state that you have the right to use lethal force if you feel that your life is in danger or you are in danger of imminent severe bodily harm. In other words... if some jackarse jumps out of his car... even if i accidently rear-ended him... even if its my fault... and makes me feel like he is gonna kick my ass... not just hit me once, but severely beat me...

then yes... i have the state-given right to put at least one of the nice .40 caliber Hydra-shoks that i carry with me (since, I am a law-abiding citizen) through his head. Will I? YOU BETTER BELIEVE IT! Am I e-thugging? No. Will I shoot someone dead that threatens my life? In a nano-second.

For the record, even in a "situation" I am a nice guy, always quick to apologize (much like, it seems, was the man who started this thread... he immediately asked the man threatening to "kick his ass" if he was okay, even though the man continued to threaten him, and even though he had a .357 in his pocket.) and always quick to try and de-fuse a potential conflict. I don't WANT to kill someone, but if I am left no other choice and it comes down to me or him... Pssssh... no contest.

If you have a problem with that, then teach everyone around you to treat other humans in a nice, calm, and civilized manner. Also, if you have a problem with it, stay in California or Arizona, where all the left-wing liberals have given more rights to the criminals than the citizens. As for me and my guns, we will continue to live in Florida. Thank you.

My my.. how testy you internet tough guys get...lol..

MY EXPERIENCE?? Here's a start... 8 yrs in the Marine Corps... a few tours in the middle east... I too have been on the other end of a weapon.. and those weapons were a hell of alot more powerful than your handgun.. I have taken fire from GROUPS of people who want nothing more than to kill me and my fireteam...

I have nothing to prove to you or anyone.. and neither do you.. I just find it funny that so many people talk the talk and run scared when the ish hits the fan.. I can think of a few people who grew up in notorious 'hoods and were "hardcore".. they talked a good game much like you.. and ran to their racks when rounds came down range... I'll be the first to tell you that it doesn't matter how much you train or how much you prepare.. It's a whole new world when rounds are flying AT you... and apparently YOU don't have that experience..

As for me.. I have a CCW permit.. and I always carry.. always... but unlike your statement earlier.. My LAST resort is to pull my weapon.. I've been trained pretty well and have a tendency to not fear anyone.. so I really don't have to pull a gun on someone because they come up to my window and scare me.. BOO! :lol:.. There's a word for people like that... ;)

Anyways, this thread has gone WAY OT.. if you want to debate our toughness, our experiences, or those "damn-pinko-commie-liberals" we can start a thread where it's appropriate.. and I'll be glad to hear all the stories of how tough and bad you guys are... :rolleyes:.. so I bid adieu and bow out of this train, you guys can dig your holes quite well without me..

HAPPY HALLOWEEN... hope you don't shoot yourself in the foot pulling your weapon out on all the kids that are going to scare you...lol..

-Shane

HAHAHA seriously...its obvious screening for purchasing of a handgun is not very good. By the way, that is a nice HK. I think you should however quit talking about what you would do if some one bla bla bla, because you dont know until your there. And by the way, if you tell ANYONE after you shot someone in "self defense" that you had enough time to decide to use deadly force, you had enough time to avoid the situation and leave. Deadly force is supposed to be the last resort. I guess umphmillion case brriefs on the use of deadly force give me a different idea of whats justifiable. and "ive been authorized to shoot hostages" what the hell is thqt supposed to mean, or better yet, hows that relevant? Just because your CO once told you that to make you feel empowered, you think that makes you capable of actually taking life? Try not to sound so tuff on a Subaru Forum, the real sociopaths dont talk trash online, they go do the ****. By the way... **** that ***** handgun ****, conceal this... http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v117/tonyyayoman/DSC00028.jpg

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oh, forgot to mention SRT4'S suck!

He drives a neon what do you expect? My hood in Scottsdale is pretty hardcore too lol. it's the thuggish ruggish bone. guns need respect and only respected people should have them. go back to florida?

Blah blah blah....

I'm perfectly capable of making a rational decision in a threatening situation. Your assumptions mean jack to me. :lol:

Great dude. You've been fired at. Good for you. I've been held at gun point and told to my face that I was going die. Your guns were bigger though... :rolleyes: It didn't matter if the barrel I was staring down was a 9mm or a 50cal, if the guy had pulled the trigger, I would've been dead. So your point is, well, pointless.

Anyway, yeah you seem to know so much about me. So I'm a real "tough guy". No I'm not. I don't live in the "hood". I've never lived in the "hood". I'm not "hardcore" and I don't pretend to be. You don't know jack about me so quit with your assumptions.

I'm glad you decided to join the military and get some first hand lessons on combat. I chose not to, sorry. Instead, I took proper training on hand to hand combat and self defense with a firearm from a friend, also former USMC. I did my part. Your experience has nothing to do with me even though you make that correlation. Because I've never engaged in military combat I am incapable of defending myself with a firearm? That's exactly what you're saying. :lol:

Again, I boast absolutely nothing other than I value my life, family, and friends and I want to protect them from aholes. I am not a thug. In fact, I am the exact opposite of a thug. I've also never left the country, I make less than $25,000 a year, I enjoy long walks on the beach, and I listen to Dr. Laura every morning in traffic.

Anyway, wow daschae. What's that shoot, .223? Your assault rifle is bigger than a handgun? What on God's green earth point are you trying to make? But while were measuring our c(beep)cks here, my other firearms include an Armalite AR-10 (that's a .308 BTW daschae :lol: ), .444 Marlin, Hk USP Compact .40/.45, Glock 19/26.

No one is "E-thugging" here but you two.

-Brett

I've also never left the country, I make less than $25,000 a year, I enjoy long walks on the beach, and I listen to Dr. Laura every morning in traffic.



-Brett
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Anyway, wow daschae. What's that shoot, .223? Your assault rifle is bigger than a handgun? What on God's green earth point are you trying to make? But while were measuring our c(beep)cks here, my other firearms include an Armalite AR-10 (that's a .308 BTW daschae :lol: ), .444 Marlin, Hk USP Compact .40/.45, Glock 19/26.

No Raging bull .454cal you pu$$y....... :lol: Point..whats that? I thought this thread had turnd into rambling non-sense about nothing. Sorry, next time Ill try to have a point :confused: Wait wait, i got it, heres my point... My car is still in the shop, I guess they are going to have it until next week. DId you know the headlights on an STi are like $700 a piece!! I was really sarting to take that lil subie for granted. I have been driving my truck, wheeewww, 10mpg sucks! No pun intended. I drove it to California this weekend and it cost me like $300!! Thats ALOT! and I make more than "$25,000" a year. My family is trying to talk me into selling the STi, they think it has to much power for how little it is, Grandpa wants me to build an old big steel muscle car. Anyone intrested in buying an STi...shes never been hit.....mphh.....muaHAHAHAHAHA :banana:

I just exposed (one of) my weapons. Y'all gonna sue me?


I don't expose my weapon for any longer than the 8/10's of a second it takes for me to draw and fire the 200 grain +p 45 rounds through your skull.


It's called natural selection, if anyone is dumb enough to throw down with me, I am just helping nature out by removing them from the gene pool.



I don't take ass whoopin's, I hand 'em out.



No, I'm a tough guy without a gun. With a gun I am lethal. But that's the point, isn't it?


First time I checked this thread in a couple weeks, and I almost fell out of my chair laughing. It's a good thing I don't work in a cube farm, b/c I'd end up sharing this with everybody around me.

I tried to pick out my favorite line, but couldn't do it, so I've quoted my favorites for page 2 posterity. I also like the juxtaposition of talkin' 'bout y0 gunz and then complaining about the smiley selection. I nearly had to purchase a new keyboard because of it, and I now have to make one more trip to the break room for a new Coke, but no hard feelings.

BTW - If I ever see you on the street please don't shoot me because I made fun of you on an internet forum. That would make me sad. Thankkzz bro!11!

First time I checked this thread in a couple weeks, and I almost fell out of my chair laughing. It's a good thing I don't work in a cube farm, b/c I'd end up sharing this with everybody around me.

I tried to pick out my favorite line, but couldn't do it, so I've quoted my favorites for page 2 posterity. I also like the juxtaposition of talkin' 'bout y0 gunz and then complaining about the smiley selection. I nearly had to purchase a new keyboard because of it, and I now have to make one more trip to the break room for a new Coke, but no hard feelings.

BTW - If I ever see you on the street please don't shoot me because I made fun of you on an internet forum. That would make me sad. Thankkzz bro!11!


No problem. I usually don't shoot at scoobies on the street anyway, it's a bitch to shoot backwards out of the window while aiming with the rearview mirror, even if ol' Tom Cruise made it look easy.

Nice Hk BTW el_jefeSRT4. Is that yours?

-Brett


Yup, just about the finest combat handgun ever. Got an awesome deal on it too.

For the Arizonans (you know, because no 'hood is harder than mine ):

AZ Criminal Code

Chapter 4 deals with "justification" and Manslaughter has a Five year sentence.. not to mention that the Class 2 Felony will prohibit you from EVER owning a firearm again..

-Shane



Hmm, lets take a look. . .

13-405. Justification; use of deadly physical force

A person is justified in threatening or using deadly physical force against another:

1. If such person would be justified in threatening or using physical force against the other under section 13-404, and

2. When and to the degree a reasonable person would believe that deadly physical force is immediately necessary to protect himself against the other's use or attempted use of unlawful deadly physical force.

Lots of leway in that second line.

13-411. Justification; use of force in crime prevention

A. A person is justified in threatening or using both physical force and deadly physical force against another if and to the extent the person reasonably believes that physical force or deadly physical force is immediately necessary to prevent the other's commission of arson of an occupied structure under section 13-1704, burglary in the second or first degree under section 13-1507 or 13-1508, kidnapping under section 13-1304, manslaughter under section 13-1103, second or first degree murder under section 13-1104 or 13-1105, sexual conduct with a minor under section 13-1405, sexual assault under section 13-1406, child molestation under section 13-1410, armed robbery under section 13-1904, or aggravated assault under section 13-1204, subsection A, paragraphs 1 and 2.

B. There is no duty to retreat before threatening or using deadly physical force justified by subsection A of this section.

C. A person is presumed to be acting reasonably for the purposes of this section if he is acting to prevent the commission of any of the offenses listed in subsection A of this section.

Even more leway there. And I like section B. I enjoy retreating about as much as Chesty Puller. BTW, reread my thread. I never said that pulling a weapon is a first resort. On to the next. . .

I think you should however quit talking about what you would do if some one bla bla bla, because you dont know until your there. Heh. Kid, Shane isn't the only one here to hug the ground when a bullet goes "wheet" overhead.
And by the way, if you tell ANYONE after you shot someone in "self defense" that you had enough time to decide to use deadly force, you had enough time to avoid the situation and leave. Deadly force is supposed to be the last resort. I guess umphmillion case brriefs on the use of deadly force give me a different idea of whats justifiable.
I guess you should read AZ Criminal code more carefully. I put the relevant section in bold print. and "ive been authorized to shoot hostages" what the hell is thqt supposed to mean, or better yet, hows that relevant? Just because your CO once told you that to make you feel empowered, you think that makes you capable of actually taking life?
Actually, every CO at every base I was stationed at told me that, the exact quote is "do not allow the presence of hostages deter from the recovery of" Look up AFI 31-101, and DOD Directive 5210.41-M, while your rereading AZ Criminal Code.
Try not to sound so tuff on a Subaru Forum, the real sociopaths dont talk trash online, they go do the ****. By the way... **** that ***** handgun ****, conceal this... If you want to talk up an overprice antiquated piece of junk like that, go ahead. For close in work, gimme an UMP 45 or MP10. For longer range, ha. Have you ever tried to hit something thats moving 400 meters away with an M4? Plus, one hit won't do.

oh, forgot to mention SRT4'S suck!
Yup, and then it blows. Turbo's are neat aren't they?
He drives a neon what do you expect?
You drive an imprezza, what should I expect? That your tranny will explode?Whens the last time the WRX won WRC? How about USTCC? Hell, what about One Lap? Oh ****, SRT won that class, sorry.

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uhh..I can shoot the hostage?? Sweet. Quote all the ARS codes you would like, I wouldnt trust 12 of my "peers" to determine my fate, especially in your case, if they called in some character witnesses Mr. Jefe, youd get the chair hehehe (just kidding about that chair thing, please dont post the statute regarding capital punishment in florida vs arizona).. By the way, why is a Neon fanatic on a Subaru forum?? Maybe you just like trash talking online...? I suppose thats because unlike in face to a face confrontation, in which you would normally shoot the other person rarther than retort, you actually have time to come up with somewhat quality responses. Personally, I enjoy a small amount of combative conversation...but this is coming from a guy who likes a girl than can beat him up on a good day :devil: AAANNNNYYYYWWAAYYYSSS, thanks for the entertainment and keepin it real. NOW..that all being said, lets all get along. There are somethings that create heated, oh yea, and pointless conversation, self defense with a weapon happens to be one of them. Just know that even if your much anticipated self defense shooting does come around in the future, you will still end up spending about 50k on an attorney, unless you want to trust a public plea bargainer..i mean defender. Reading over this post I am typing I relaized that in the I may have insulted you El Jefe Neon, PLEASE dont take it personally. I am only kidding as I do not know you personally, and would NEVER make assumptions of a stranger, let alone make judgements. That being said, you have poor taste in vehicles, but excellent taste in firearms. Have you seen Billy Madison?? Please cross my name off the lipstick hit list.. Im just playin. :)

this thread needs more banana

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Hell yeah!!!! http://www.srtforums.com/forums/images/smilies/bananahump-slvrathlon.gif

uhh..I can shoot the hostage?? Sweet.
No, I could. Not anymore though, I am no longer in a position where I am required to make that decision.
Quote all the ARS codes you would like, I wouldnt trust 12 of my "peers" to determine my fate, especially in your case, if they called in some character witnesses Mr. Jefe, youd get the chair hehehe (just kidding about that chair thing, please dont post the statute regarding capital punishment in florida vs arizona)..
Huh? I live in AZ, who ever said I lived in Florida?
By the way, why is a Neon fanatic on a Subaru forum??
Heh. I liked subies even back when they sucked. I thought the brat was cool, would have bought an SVX when it cam out if it had a stick, and I still think that the 2000 2.5 RS is the best looking Imprezza released in the States. But then, that's probably because I was drooling over the 22B while you still though 5.0 Mustang were fast. . . .

edit: BTW, check the join date newbie

Maybe you just like trash talking online...? I suppose thats because unlike in face to a face confrontation, in which you would normally shoot the other person rarther than retort, you actually have time to come up with somewhat quality responses.

Nope, I am even more of a smart ass in person. Maybe you saw me at the dynoday with Kingpin this weekend? Or were you busy buying a nice WW front clip for you car? (it makes it hella f4st3r!!!)
Personally, I enjoy a small amount of combative conversation...but this is coming from a guy who likes a girl than can beat him up on a good day :devil:
God I wish, I have yet to meet the girl that could kick my ass in a straight up fight. (Angolina Jolie in Mr&Mrs Smith. . . .yummy)
AAANNNNYYYYWWAAYYYSSS, thanks for the entertainment and keepin it real. NOW..that all being said, lets all get along. There are somethings that create heated, oh yea, and pointless conversation, self defense with a weapon happens to be one of them. Just know that even if your much anticipated self defense shooting does come around in the future, you will still end up spending about 50k on an attorney, unless you want to trust a public plea bargainer..i mean defender. Reading over this post I am typing I relaized that in the I may have insulted you El Jefe Neon, PLEASE dont take it personally. I am only kidding as I do not know you personally, and would NEVER make assumptions of a stranger, let alone make judgements. That being said, you have poor taste in vehicles, but excellent taste in firearms. Have you seen Billy Madison?? Please cross my name off the lipstick hit list.. Im just playin. :)

Billy Madison? Is that an Adam Sandler movie? Never saw it. As far as my taste in vehicles, you haven't a clue, the SRT is my daily driver. If you can find something as fast that carries 4, gets 30mpg, puts 238hp to the ground, handles as well, and is as easy to mod for cheap, for less than $17k out the door brand new, let me know, I would like to buy it.

I'll buy one if I’m ever on a budget. thanks again.

I'll buy one if I’m ever on a budget. thanks again.

Heh. Thanks for living up to the Snobbsdale stereotype. Everyone is on a budget of some sort, even Bill Gates and Donald Trump. I just think it's stupid to spend $8k more on a car that is slower, and then put 35,000 miles a year on it (Sorry Scott!). Besides, I couldn't resist all the dirt roads by my house. I would kill a WRX or an Evo. Even the SRT has been dirt baptised.

Good points, but may I point out that the WRX offers power rear windows, which will better allow you to shoot at people from in front of their slow asses? ;) :p

All in fun.

what do you have done to your car?

No Raging bull .454cal you pu$$y.......

The assault rifle? :lol:

By the way... **** that ***** handgun ****, conceal this... http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v117/tonyyayoman/DSC00028.jpg


-Brett

Good points, but may I point out that the WRX offers power rear windows, which will better allow you to shoot at people from in front of their slow asses? ;) :p

All in fun.

wit my sidewayz gangsta lean, I don' need no back windows foo!!! Seriously though, what was dodge thinking with that? No cruise control either, and not including the LSD the first year was criminal.

what do you have done to your car?

Depends on what day it is. I try things out and take them off if it compromises driveablity. MBC's and stronger wastegates are neat, 18psi in 3rd ~ 5th is cool, 18psi in 1st and 2nd is not. Are you still running 14.xx @ 90mph? :lol:

Edit: I see you dyno'd at 235. Not bad, I had that stock.

I have not been to the strip since spring. I was running 13.7 with a base map loaded on my computer. I used to go to Rockfalls in WI. With all the tracks out here I doubt that I will go drag racing like I used to. It just really is not a drag racing car nor is a Porsche 911. I agree that the USDM WRX is not that great of a sports car. For the money it is about as good as you will get. It's all about JDM. I don't know enough yet to get the most out of a JDM STi. The WRX is a good car to learn with. I'm still learning and will be the rest of my life. I consider myself a lucky kid. I'm glad you like your car.

I have not been to the strip since spring. I was running 13.7 with a base map loaded on my computer. I used to go to Rockfalls in WI. With all the tracks out here I doubt that I will go drag racing like I used to. It just really is not a drag racing car nor is a Porsche 911. I agree that the USDM WRX is not that great of a sports car. For the money it is about as good as you will get. It's all about JDM. I don't know enough yet to get the most out of a JDM STi. The WRX is a good car to learn with. I'm still learning and will be the rest of my life. I consider myself a lucky kid. I'm glad you like your car.

Awwww now it sounds like you have given up the cause. Shame on you for submiting to a Neon. Honestly, I am not a drag racer personally, I prefer the road courses, only reason I brought 1/4 mile time up is that is you mentioned it yourself in another thread. I have never gotten better than a 14 @ 99.9 mph myself, but then my suspension and tires are not ideal for straightline use. NASA has a lot of track days, I am going through my suspension (again!) this winter, maybe next season I will see you at the track. :devil:

The assault rifle? :lol:



-Brett

I dont get it...... :confused:

I dont get it...... :confused:


I shall elucidate, then you will be awestruck by my perspicacity

First you pulled out the AR-15, in an effort to impress us with your phallus substitute. Brett pointed out that your AR fires a rather weak and inefectual .223 round, basically saying you have a limp d!ck, and responded with another list of firearms, basically stating that his is bigger than yours, (by about 1/3 in diameter) essentially giving you a mushroom bruise on your forehead. Your last gasp was to point out that with all the large caliber handguns he had, the .454 was not among them, to which Brett became confused, perhaps thinking that you meant your AR fired a .454 round. Based on the assumption that you are an idiot, he made the post with the :lol: . Not suprisingly, you are now confussed, and asking for help, which I am sure reminds you of your days on the short bus riding to school.

Did that help clear things up at all?

Awwww now it sounds like you have given up the cause. Shame on you for submiting to a Neon. Honestly, I am not a drag racer personally, I prefer the road courses, only reason I brought 1/4 mile time up is that is you mentioned it yourself in another thread. I have never gotten better than a 14 @ 99.9 mph myself, but then my suspension and tires are not ideal for straightline use. NASA has a lot of track days, I am going through my suspension (again!) this winter, maybe next season I will see you at the track. :devil:

A little off topic, but why do SRT owners always bring things back to their cars? I didn't see any mention of a neon in his post, or submitting to anyone. Maybe I missed something. Some people drag race, don't like it, and don't continue. I don't see that as pussing out of anything.

I myself haven't drag raced more than once in the last year, but I used to go every weekend. My best time a couple summers back, in the 95-100 degree heat, was 13.8 at 98. Not setting any records, but the car made it into 13s on bolt-ons and I drove it every day with that setup so I was happy. That's about the time I lost interest in it - and also the time I started track driving. Maybe things have changed, but there were no SRTs catching me without big wide slick tires up front (or drag radials, etc.) and an LSD. And I'm not even a drag racer. You may make eleventybillion whp with equal torque, but it's not all getting to the ground peacefully though one front wheel. For my money, I'll take the car that pulls off I-10, hits tech, hits the lanes, runs a 13 (I know, not fast), and drives to In N Out all without picking up a wrench. But that's just me - some people enjoy fiddling with their setups to extract the last couple tenths. I'm far too lazy for that. ;)

You mention road course track driving, and I have to say I agree with you that it's a lot more fun and involving than drag racing. I hope you don't bring your chip-on-the-shoulder, me-against-the-world attitude to the road course with you though, because you will inevitably seriously injure somebody chasing glory on a road course. I have to say that, based on your posts so far, and the way you seem to enjoy threatening people with your car, guns, etc., I will not share a track with you. Maybe it's just internet posturing, but you come across as the type of guy to overcook a turn chasing a faster car, lose it, try to hero-correct your way out, and take a couple other cars out in the process. Maybe I'm reading you wrong, but that's the impression I get from your posts. If I am wrong, I apologize for the long-winded post. If I'm right, I would ask that you do me and the rest of the drivers that are there to have fun the favor of posting before each trackday you attend and including the class in which you plan to drive. I'm not going to lose my car/life because you have something to prove and drive with your heart instead of with your brain. Save that for highway pulls with other ricers.

A little off topic, but why do SRT owners always bring things back to their cars? I didn't see any mention of a neon in his post, or submitting to anyone.

Actually, daschae brought it up on page 2.

Maybe I missed something. Some people drag race, don't like it, and don't continue. I don't see that as pussing out of anything.

I was referring to his attitude, it seemed to tone down a bit.

I myself haven't drag raced more than once in the last year, but I used to go every weekend. My best time a couple summers back, in the 95-100 degree heat, was 13.8 at 98. Not setting any records, but the car made it into 13s on bolt-ons and I drove it every day with that setup so I was happy. That's about the time I lost interest in it - and also the time I started track driving. Maybe things have changed, but there were no SRTs catching me without big wide slick tires up front (or drag radials, etc.) and an LSD. And I'm not even a drag racer.
Me niether, but the last time I went I cut better times than a guy with slicks. Most guys that drag race have no idea what they are doing, you can tell them by the big smokey burnouts they do. . . with street tires.

You may make eleventybillion whp with equal torque, but it's not all getting to the ground peacefully though one front wheel.
I made that point earlier, using an anecdote refering to Supra's.

For my money, I'll take the car that pulls off I-10, hits tech, hits the lanes, runs a 13 (I know, not fast), and drives to In N Out all without picking up a wrench. But that's just me - some people enjoy fiddling with their setups to extract the last couple tenths. I'm far too lazy for that. ;)

Me too, thats why I haven't bothered to really tune the engine. I could go out tomorrow, drop $3500, and have a 450whp car by the end of the weekend, but no front driver can put that down on a corner exit. So I concentrate on the mods than make the best use of whats already there.

You mention road course track driving, and I have to say I agree with you that it's a lot more fun and involving than drag racing. I hope you don't bring your chip-on-the-shoulder, me-against-the-world attitude to the road course with you though, because you will inevitably seriously injure somebody chasing glory on a road course.

Actually, I am the quiet guy at the race course. Actions speak louder than words, and all that.

I have to say that, based on your posts so far, and the way you seem to enjoy threatening people with your car, guns, etc., I will not share a track with you. Maybe it's just internet posturing, but you come across as the type of guy to overcook a turn chasing a faster car, lose it, try to hero-correct your way out, and take a couple other cars out in the process.
Heh, you are close there. I love corners, especially hounding cars that are supposed to be better handling. Nothing better than late braking, let the rear end rotate and ease the throttle on early in the apex. Good times, good times.

Maybe I'm reading you wrong, but that's the impression I get from your posts. If I am wrong, I apologize for the long-winded post. If I'm right, I would ask that you do me and the rest of the drivers that are there to have fun the favor of posting before each trackday you attend and including the class in which you plan to drive. I'm not going to lose my car/life because you have something to prove and drive with your heart instead of with your brain. Save that for highway pulls with other ricers.

(Sob) You have made me see the error of my ways, from now on, I will be a good boy, castrate myself, and sin no more. . . . eh, maybe not. Thanks for the apology, I am afraid you spent all that time on the keyboard for nothing. Seeing as how I drive for a living, and haven't wrecked a car or killed anybody yet, (knocks on wood) I am about the safest person to drive with on a track you will ever find. There. Now we can be friends again </doc holliday>

Good to see you have a sense of humor, but you missed my point about your keyboard courage transferring to a road course - I get from your response that you drive safely on track, which was my main point. That's a good thing.

yet, you still make the point about "letting the car do the talking" - what are you trying to prove and to whom? I've participated in HPDE events a few times, and each time it was to have fun and get better as a driver. Of course it's competitive, but you don't have to prove anything to anyone - that's my point, which you keep missing.

Also, you mention you drive for a living. Do you mean on track? My job allows me to drive a variety of cars in track/autocross type courses (vehicle testing, training events, etc.) and I've had a lot of fun doing so, and, thankfully, have never wrecked. That's pretty important when you're behind the wheel of a car of which less than 20 exist - engineers get angry when you fold those up. If you mean driving on the street, well, I don't think I have to point out how not killing yourself in traffic is FAR different than not killing yourself on a road course while trying to "let the car do the talking." I mean, that's pretty obvious right?

Sorry if I made you cry - my main point is that track driving is no place for hero-wannabe yahoos with a chip on their shoulder. If that doesn't describe you, and you agree with that statement, then feel free to stop taking offense at any point. If not, I don't think castration is the answer, but a dab of humility would probably make you a really fun person to be around - you obviously have a good sense of humor.

Either way, I have to say I've enjoyed this exchange. Maybe we'll run into each other out at PIR some time. I think the next event is in December.

Good to see you have a sense of humor, but you missed my point about your keyboard courage transferring to a road course - I get from your response that you drive safely on track, which was my main point. That's a good thing.

No, I didn't miss it, I just prefer not to defend myself. Aggresive Defense in depth is more my thing.

yet, you still make the point about "letting the car do the talking" - what are you trying to prove and to whom? I've participated in HPDE events a few times, and each time it was to have fun and get better as a driver. Of course it's competitive, but you don't have to prove anything to anyone - that's my point, which you keep missing.

No, I just didn't respond in a manner that you would have liked. I don't have prove anything at a race course, most people that are at the track are already aware of the abilities of the Neon platform on a closed course. I just enjoy poking at peoples egos when they have no idea what they are talking about.

Also, you mention you drive for a living. Do you mean on track? My job allows me to drive a variety of cars in track/autocross type courses (vehicle testing, training events, etc.) and I've had a lot of fun doing so, and, thankfully, have never wrecked. That's pretty important when you're behind the wheel of a car of which less than 20 exist - engineers get angry when you fold those up.

Yes they do, although I wouldn't know personally (again, knock on wood!). But max limits testing is different again than a HPDE event. No other cars, 100lbs of instrumentation in the car, wires everywhere. But, on the positive side, you don't have to pay for tires or gas.

If you mean driving on the street, well, I don't think I have to point out how not killing yourself in traffic is FAR different than not killing yourself on a road course while trying to "let the car do the talking." I mean, that's pretty obvious right?

I dunno, have you ever driven in Amsterdam, or worse, Rome? Even I refused to drive in Rome.

Sorry if I made you cry - my main point is that track driving is no place for hero-wannabe yahoos with a chip on their shoulder. If that doesn't describe you, and you agree with that statement, then feel free to stop taking offense at any point. If not, I don't think castration is the answer, but a dab of humility would probably make you a really fun person to be around - you obviously have a good sense of humor.

S' okay, my mommy wiped off my tears, and I am ok now. Sorry, but humility, like showing weakness, is not acceptable on the interweb.

Either way, I have to say I've enjoyed this exchange. Maybe we'll run into each other out at PIR some time. I think the next event is in December.

Maybe, but probably not. As I mentioned above, I need to go through my suspension, and the brake system is well before I hit the track again. That's the problem with tracking your daily driver. All the little things that are no big deal on the street are much more importent on the track. It would be embarassing to lose a wheel while I was passing you on the inside in a corner. If I go out, I will probably be in someone elses car. Look for me at the NASA USTCC races, as well as SGTC in December.

So, you do drive on track for a living?

So, you do drive on track for a living?

Yes. And the street.

The track would be fun I just don't know where to get started in road racing.

Just show up to an HPDE event and everything's done for you. You'll start off in HPDE 1 and have an instructor in the car with you until you're comfortable and able to drive on your own. Seriously, it's the easiest thing in the world to start. When I started, there were all types of cars in my run group, so you don't need much in the way of mods either. You'll also find that the vast majority of the people out there are friendly and willing to help you in any way they can - most of us are just happy to have more people on track to drive with. There are, of course, a couple cowboys in the crowd, but they tend to not last long. If someone's driving like a dick, they will be called on it. If they keep doing it, they WILL be sent home.

All you need is good (plenty of tread) tires, brake pads and fresh brake fluid and you should be fine. And a helmet helps too. :)

I shall elucidate, then you will be awestruck by my perspicacity

First you pulled out the AR-15, in an effort to impress us with your phallus substitute. Brett pointed out that your AR fires a rather weak and inefectual .223 round, basically saying you have a limp d!ck, and responded with another list of firearms, basically stating that his is bigger than yours, (by about 1/3 in diameter) essentially giving you a mushroom bruise on your forehead. Your last gasp was to point out that with all the large caliber handguns he had, the .454 was not among them, to which Brett became confused, perhaps thinking that you meant your AR fired a .454 round. Based on the assumption that you are an idiot, he made the post with the :lol: . Not suprisingly, you are now confussed, and asking for help, which I am sure reminds you of your days on the short bus riding to school.

Did that help clear things up at all?

Why you gotta **** with me for riding the short bus, you know my car is crashed up...that **** aint funny.. Speaking of not funny, I swung by the body shop today and they informed me that SOMEONE STOLE MY STEREO! They are replacing it though..so whatever I guess. What really made me mad was the dirty footprint they left on my seat....bastards.. Anyone have a bad ass navigation system they want to lend me their receipt for? :devil: Oh and El Jefe, I am trying to compensate for my small penis, which is flacid a majority of the time, that why I try to impress everyone with my guns and talk about how much of a bad ass I am with'em. Its obvious by reading the old posts, that I started the boasting of firearms and use of them. Im just glad to know that I have the sense to NOT bear arms when its clearly not needed. In fact, this week I went with a friend of mine to repo a car from her tweeked out cousin, who has tweeker little friends. Well, when we unlocked the car, they heard us and ran outside and put a gun in my friends face. Both of us had our weapons, and netiher one of us felt we needed to remove them from their concealed location. See, by doing so, one would have to assume that by showing this gentleman that we too had guns, he would feel intimidated and assume that surely we would fire on him. Knowing that he would assume that, we knew that by showing our weapons we would have to fire on him because surely he would fire on us. Rather than do this and shoot this gentleman, I told him to relax as we walked backwards away from him back to my truck across the street while he yelled frantically about stealing his car. After retreating 20ft from him he lowered the weapon and stood there silently. El Jefe, lets speculate... Lets say I did decide I had to draw on him when in fact I didnt. I would have shot someone without need to do so. On the flip side, lets say that I drew my weapon first, do you suppose he would have drawn is, which would have caused me to shoot him? Or the alternative, he draws and fires upon us before we have a chance to deholster, since the pistol he had was a small caliber, I can say that so long as capable, I would have still fired back and assuming I hit my target, I would HOPEFULLY live and could argue that the shooting was justifiable. I just thought it was interesting that in the midst of this ongoing post about weapons and self defense, I had this experience, and reacted the way that I said I would. Aside from time of war fire fights, have any of you been in this position as a civilian? I was suprised at how calm and unintimidated I was. Thoughts........?? By the way, your average therapist is around $90/hr but El Jefe...your worth it. ;) What does everyone do for a living by the way?? Im a 23 Yr old ASU grad(in december) who works in real estate law.

go on Ebay and look for Alpine head units they are super cheap sometimes. I work like a slave at the scottsdale princess on the event set up staff. no one speaks english and I don't make much. only one more month to go.

so is the scoop not for sale anymore? :lol: sorry to hear about the radio. :furious:

This has been an intereting post.

I was at the Kingpin Dyno weekend.
But makes you wonder about people who carry CW, I never once heard in any of the posts the three things needed for justification.

Props to daschae for difusing(sp?) what could possibly be a bad situation.

Sorry to hear about the stereo.

dang man, sorry to see that