I've heard from Rallitek.com that they are going to come out with their own Equal Length Header that will be almost half the price of TWE equal length header and just as good or better. So if you are all like me and cant afford TWE $949 header email sales@Rallitek.com and tell them you are interested in the cheaper equal length header.

i totally just sent them an email.

it consists of a firm argument backing the production of such a unit, concluded by the statement that:
I firmly believe this would be a healthy and radical undertaking for Rallitek and I hope you give the idea further thought! I will be truly saddened if the internet chatter turns out to be unsubstantiated, false rumor.


So yeah. Rallitek, Please make us EL headers!!!!

I would get them ONLY if they bolt up to the stock location. ;) unequal sounds nice, but I would like more power

Hmm...Def would be up for this!

Word!!!!!

How serious is rallitek about this EL header?
I bet they would make sum major bank especially if it's just as good as TWE/COBB and cheaper.

VERY serious. i got a confirmation email from the CEO of rallitek saying they should be up on the site before the weekend!!!!!

he also said they'd be priced BETTER than the competitors. i don't know if that includes OBX but i'm extremely excited about this.

I'm in if they have dyno numbers to back up the product.

i want pipe diameter demensions first.........

If you want them to get going on the headers then email at sales@rallitek.com and tell them to get going so they know people are interested.

i already did... the CEO told me they'd be released before the weekend... is that not soon enough for you?

if you want to send an email, send a "save a set for me" email.

if you want to send an email, send a "save a set for me" email.

How about a "TTIWWOP" email? :D

Mmm. 600 bucks. Funny how that comes in halfway between Cobb and OBX...

These headers exist ALREADY. They will be EL like Cobbs are, as opposed to the TWE design, which doesn't fit ATs too well.

Quality should be as good as Cobb's, but priced more nicely. No definite pricing yet though.

I talked with Sean about this today.

They will be like the OBX header, but should be higher quality. Rallitek will be doing Dyno testing in the near future too, to back them up.

.02

Jared

definite pricing, 600 bones.

maybe once there's some dynos showing more than 15hp and better torque with nothing more than intake and cbe. maybe.

if they only do two dyno runs and one's stock and the other's this with the pp6 and a cai and pulleys and a whole mess of other crap and they're like look!!! it gained 30whp!!! there's no way i'll get these.

im excited to see some numbers with these...im hoping for them to be same quality and performance as Cobb

I just got a used TWE header for 550... oh well, if I'd a known I'd have bought one of Ralliteks... Funny cause I'm getting a bunch of work done there right now and I didn't even know til after an employee there sold me his old TWE header, lol.

the rallitek and the OBX look exactly alike. I mean, EXACTLY... Bends, welds, bung locations, material, hardware supplied... If you guys want to pay $600 for "better quality", go right ahead :lol:

-Gagan

Rallitek:
http://rallitek.com/pictures/PPDSCF0532_thumb.JPG

OBX:
http://www.digistash.com/data/d37124c4c79f357cb02c655671a432fa/2725_p94116.jpeg
:lol:


(Thanks Jim for the picture)

ohh hell no so the obx is el. hell obx here i come.

do each of these headers come with high flow cats? How much extra? Are they ceramic coated? How much extra? thanx'-Ellz

yeah that's a little TOO damn similar. nice try rallitek.

do each of these headers come with high flow cats? How much extra? Are they ceramic coated? How much extra? thanx'-Ellz
Only the Cobb comes witht the HFC option, and the coated option.

TWE headers come in mildsteel and are painted (not a true ceramic coat)

-Gagan

ohh hell no so the obx is el. hell obx here i come.
I think only the TWE is a true EL header.

The cobb/obx/rallitek header is VERY close to EL, but maybe off by an inch or less. The sound is much more EL like, but to be honest, there is a really racy boxer sound hidden in there. I can hear it on partial throttle just coasting down the street. I have OBX.

TWE headers come in stainless and are not painted (coating is optional).

-Gagan

Fixed that for you. All new TWE headers are stainless, hence the price.

joltdudeuc - FYI the TWE ones are stainless; not mild steel. They're the only true equal-length header currently available. The other ones offered aren't true equal-length, they're close but not equal.

joltdudeuc - FYI the TWE ones are stainless; not mild steel. They're the only true equal-length header currently available. The other ones offered aren't true equal-length, they're close but not equal.


I'm pretty sure Cobb knew what they were doing when constructing their EL Headers, but I don't know anything about the process of making EL headers so I can't argue who has "TRUE" equal Length headers for that fact... I can tell ya what... THEY SOUND BADASS AND REALLY ADDED HP Boost to my car.. hehe.. I'm not complaining.
-Ellz

Rallitek:
http://rallitek.com/pictures/PPDSCF0532_thumb.JPG

OBX:
http://www.digistash.com/data/d37124c4c79f357cb02c655671a432fa/2725_p94116.jpeg
:lol:


(Thanks Jim for the picture)
Not a problem. :)
-Jim

ejicon - I'm not saying that they don't make power; just that the term "equal-length" is used too loosely.

ejicon - I'm not saying that they don't make power; just that the term "equal-length" is used too loosely.

I hear ya.. and you're right.. it's used as a selling techniques.

yeah techniques are fun.

i want teh OBX's now.

Are these stainless or mild steel?

Who sells the OBX?

those OBX above look different than the ones I saw in another thread on someone's car. The pics near the end of this page:
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=860586&page=6&pp=25&highlight=obx+header
Note the merge collectors. Is it different, or is it a funny angle?

those OBX above look different than the ones I saw in another thread on someone's car. The pics near the end of this page:
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=860586&page=6&pp=25&highlight=obx+header
Note the merge collectors. Is it different, or is it a funny angle?
I'm pretty sure it's the angle because they look exactly the same on my car when its on jack stands.
-Jim

Are these stainless or mild steel?
If I remember right they're 304 stainless.

Who sells the OBX?
The only place I've ever seen OBX products is on Ebay.
-Jim

I'll still hold onto my mild steel TWE's I picked up for $150 =)

-- Dave

*delete*

I'm pretty sure it's the angle because they look exactly the same on my car when its on jack stands.
-Jim

Cool, because the ones you posted above do look nice.

wow... I think I will spend $300 extra just to have a name badge on my header... :lol:

The welds are in the exact same places on the Rallitek as the OBX... you have got to be kidding me.

Guys and Girls,

Yes, this is a direct copy of the OBX. However, the 10 that we have in stock are prototypes. We have these 10 as a "base" to make changes to, to ensure that they will fit properly and perform as expected. We have already discovered many flawed areas in which we plan to change and improve (ie: bung locations, installing high-flow cats, additional bracing to prevent shipping warpage, etc.). The picture that is posted on the www.rallitek.com website is the prototype so you can at least see a generalized idea of what they will look like. I can also confirm that these RalliTEK headers will fit automatic transmissions. As we get more information we will be sure to fill you in.

ejicon - I'm not saying that they don't make power; just that the term "equal-length" is used too loosely.

What exactly do you mean?

Does anyone know if OBX clears Auto Trannys?

Yes, this is a direct copy of the OBX.Bizarre. If I was going to copy a header and sell it for $600, I think I would have named Cobb as my inspiration, not some internet company selling one for $300.
But what do I know about marketing?

<-- looking forward to hearing just why this is worth double the price of the OBX.

So the TWE's are the only true =L out there?

That makes me feel good about my $150 investment =)

(price requoted just to rub it in)

-- Dave

So, how much is the OBX, is it really only $300?

How much of an advantage is a true equal length header over one that is close, such as an OBX or a Cobb? Is it enough to worry about? Is it more a sound difference? Also, where can I get a 02 simulator, and a track pipe for removing my cat? This is the first time I've considered the exhaust options for my '05 Outback Sport. Thanks.

Mind if I ask where the info the Cobb's header is not equal length came from? And at that, what about the OBX? And please don't tell me someone measured them with a string...

Mind if I ask where the info the Cobb's header is not equal length came from? And at that, what about the OBX? And please don't tell me someone measured them with a string...

I'm also waiting for an answer on that. People are already repeating it...

SOLUTION - Some people tend to think "equal-length" is in reference to the length of the tubing. In all actuallity, the "length" should be measured from the exhaust valve to the collector. Each of the runners should be of different lengths to compensate for the position of the exhaust valve/port in relation to the collector.

SOLUTION - Some people tend to think "equal-length" is in reference to the length of the tubing. In all actuallity, the "length" should be measured from the exhaust valve to the collector. Each of the runners should be of different lengths to compensate for the position of the exhaust valve/port in relation to the collector.

COBB states just that in their tech article under the Normally Aspirated section: http://www.cobbtuning.com/tech/exhaustdesign/index.html

I don't see mention anywhere that they did or did not implement that idea, so what reason do you have to say they didn't?

How much of an advantage is a true equal length header over one that is close, such as an OBX or a Cobb? Is it enough to worry about?Has anyone presented data to show that the Cobb or the OBX are not equal length? Not as far as I know. It's hard to eyeball, but I think that's what people are doing.

No, it doesn't make much difference unless you are going for the bragging rights of (say) 210hp vs. 209hp. If all the tubes were of the perfect tuned length, ex. valve to collector, you would see a slight improvement in the torque peak but that peak would also be narrower. If your engine were cammed and inlet tract tuned to the same specific target rpm then you would see gains, provided you knew what the ideal primary length was in the first place. On a street engine that's not going behind a six-speed box and short final drive, you would rather have a broader torque peak. Staggering the primary lengths is one way to achieve this.

Primaries over about 36" in length will not care very much if the lengths are off by a couple of inches. You'll even benefit from a wider torque peak. The primary diameter, collector design and secondary length being correct are all far more important factors in the overall design.

So, how much is the OBX, is it really only $300?

How much of an advantage is a true equal length header over one that is close, such as an OBX or a Cobb?

No one really knows. It is not like someone took and changed out a Cobb header vs Borla or this Rallitek and measured the hp/torque or speed/mph gained at the track. It is all theory. It just sounds really good to talk about equal length vs unequal. Doesn't mean a lot until someone dynos their car with these headers and has data to back everything up.

I am not talking about having Cobb, Rallitek or Borla doing the dynoing, G-teching or testing at the track. I am talking about the average Joe. Without data, it all just sounds good (or bad if you hear how the 'truly' equal length header sound like). :alien:

Guys and Girls,

Yes, this is a direct copy of the OBX. However, the 10 that we have in stock are prototypes. We have these 10 as a "base" to make changes to, to ensure that they will fit properly and perform as expected. We have already discovered many flawed areas in which we plan to change and improve (ie: bung locations, installing high-flow cats, additional bracing to prevent shipping warpage, etc.). The picture that is posted on the www.rallitek.com website is the prototype so you can at least see a generalized idea of what they will look like. I can also confirm that these RalliTEK headers will fit automatic transmissions. As we get more information we will be sure to fill you in.
For this, I most definitely applaud you. Thanks for being active with your customers and being honest. Not many vendors can do that! :) Hope you guys make it one bad ass product, and making it fit the ATs will definitely help you guys.