Google
 
Web NASIOC.com

View Full Version : STI vs. 05 Corvette (Auto), who wins?


Inprogress
11-19-2005, 06:17 PM
With the mods that I have on my 05 STI,

TBE, Ecutek, Tial 38mm EWG conversion, FMIC, TXS SRI, pulley at 17.5 psi to redline putting down 242 whp and 263 wtq (MZM Dyno stock sti around 190-190 I think)

Do you think I would be able to take a 05 Corvette Coupe (Auto Trans)?

I average 1.8 60fts while at the track but recently when i went my clutch started slipping so I didnt get how fast I could exactly run...

Junaid

salisburyv
11-19-2005, 06:40 PM
my friend has an 01 c-5 corvette. Auto trans. He cant hang with me. I usually have him by 3-4 car lengths in the 1/4...and on the highway he doesnt catch up till we hit 140...then i close the door...he's afraid to go past 150. once he tried...late at night...his heads up display said 165...and i was about 5 cars in front... i was at 6200 rpm in 6th gear..3/4 throttle. 303whp...on pump...ecutek, many mods...etc. I drove his car to 170... with him in it..its a nice car and handles the speed well.

wrxwhat
11-19-2005, 06:44 PM
lol ***? you dyno'd 190/190 stock? that's a ****in weird dyno. Anyway.. No, you're probably not going to beat the vette.

Inprogress
11-19-2005, 06:50 PM
lol ***? you dyno'd 190/190 stock? that's a ****in weird dyno. Anyway.. No, you're probably not going to beat the vette.

um no i said stock sti's dyno there around 190/190...

Inprogress
11-19-2005, 06:50 PM
my friend has an 01 c-5 corvette. Auto trans. He cant hang with me. I usually have him by 3-4 car lengths in the 1/4...and on the highway he doesnt catch up till we hit 140...then i close the door...he's afraid to go past 150. once he tried...late at night...his heads up display said 165...and i was about 5 cars in front... i was at 6200 rpm in 6th gear..3/4 throttle. 303whp...on pump...ecutek, many mods...etc. I drove his car to 170... with him in it..its a nice car and handles the speed well.

but the new ones have around 400 hp and 400 tq, isnt that more then the 01's?

STipoweredWRC
11-19-2005, 07:26 PM
yep, 400 up from 350 I believe. You should still have him though, the auto is gonna be a major disadvantage.

wrxtremeWGN
11-19-2005, 07:36 PM
170 on public roads sweet man, next time try your top speed tests in school zones. way more fun...

InfamousDX
11-19-2005, 07:39 PM
Auto C6 will probably be able to launch just as good as you... and he WILL NOT miss a shift. You got your work cut out for you.

sepulcherx
11-19-2005, 07:40 PM
the auto trannys these days are just about as good as a manual in straight a straight line. you might get surprised.

STipoweredWRC
11-19-2005, 08:26 PM
damn, a quick visit to the corvette forums shows that stock autos are running into the 12s (12.8) at 110+. 6 speeds are hitting 12.4s at up to 114. Thats incredible for the money.

JM530
11-19-2005, 08:32 PM
damn, a quick visit to the corvette forums shows that stock autos are running into the 12s (12.8) at 110+. 6 speeds are hitting 12.4s at up to 114. Thats incredible for the money.

What turbo you running on your STi?

STipoweredWRC
11-19-2005, 08:39 PM
fp green running 20 psi, tapering to 17.5 psi at redline.

SilverSurfer04STi
11-19-2005, 09:30 PM
Now I understand why in that video when their shop car runs mid 11s and it says it makes around 360whp how the car is capable of running mid 11s. Low reading dyno... :)

AllForSRT
11-19-2005, 09:49 PM
Even an Auto should do better than a 12.8. a 4300lb SRT8 Charger can do that stock on street tires, so the Vette should be able to run a few tenths faster than that.

Good luck

REX8
11-19-2005, 10:55 PM
Is this in the 1/4? You may do fine. On the highway though, you're in trouble...

Inprogress
11-19-2005, 11:20 PM
Ya i figure only the 1/4, but ya either way i do have my work cut out for me...

STipoweredWRC
11-20-2005, 12:23 AM
I found one guy hitting 12.5s at 113 on an automatic c6, but everyone else was around 12.8 or higher, for the 6spds theres a ton running 12.4s at 113-115. Post your results, thats gonna take some impressive driving.
edit: these times were all BONE stock C6s

hwy61
11-20-2005, 12:44 AM
my friend has an 01 c-5 corvette. Auto trans. on the highway he doesnt catch up till we hit 140...then i close the door, once he tried...late at night...his heads up display said 165...and i was about 5 cars in front... i was at 6200 rpm in 6th gear..3/4 throttle. 303whp...on pump...ecutek, many mods...etc.

What are you waxing that STI with? :eek: Hwy61

hwy61
11-20-2005, 12:49 AM
With the mods that I have on my 05 STI,

TBE, Ecutek, Tial 38mm EWG conversion, FMIC, TXS SRI, pulley at 17.5 psi to redline putting down 242 whp and 263 wtq (MZM Dyno stock sti around 190-190 I think)

Do you think I would be able to take a 05 Corvette Coupe (Auto Trans)?

I average 1.8 60fts while at the track but recently when i went my clutch started slipping so I didnt get how fast I could exactly run...

Junaid

Stock STI should be 240 - 250 whp, not 190.

REX8
11-20-2005, 12:50 AM
What are you waxing that STI with? :eek: Hwy61

I needed that laugh tonight... :lol:

J-Rex2004
11-20-2005, 12:59 AM
Stock STI should be 240 - 250 whp, not 190.

Yeah, because every dyno, at every shop, at every elevation read the same :rolleyes:

hwy61
11-20-2005, 01:32 AM
Yeah, because every dyno, at every shop, at every elevation read the same :rolleyes:

Well I'll be the first to say I'm no expert here regarding dynos or much of anything else but two questions come to mind, seriously. 1. Do tuning shops adjust the Dyno reading for altitude/temp, and 2. Do different dynos read that far apart, 190 whp vs. 250 whp. The OP posted a lot of mods then posted dyno hp at what I would figure stock should be. Hwy61

salisburyv
11-20-2005, 11:23 AM
What are you waxing that STI with? :eek: Hwy61
I use Mothers three step process...lol. No but really...it was 3 in the morn...public highway with just the two of us. I hit 140 in 14 sec..pin the speedo in about 16 sec. 19lbs of boost held to almost redline then i let off. This was a while back..I havent seen a new corvette on the road yet...but I'm sure it will be a challenge..but remember...its not how fast you can go...its how fast you are willing to go. Peace

mycal
11-20-2005, 11:26 AM
What are you running at the track. My friend has a 06 Auto corvette convertible and it's best run was 14.0 at LVMS. Very consistant that auto. LOL Over a dozen runs. Worst was 14.3, best 14.0. 91octane.

Inprogress
11-20-2005, 01:46 PM
Well when I was running the unichip on a horrible horrible tune i ran 13.3 wit 1.78 60ft but since then ive been dyno tuned and got the fmic and tial 38mm and the unichip isnt even comparible to how the car feels now with the ecutek...

Inprogress
11-20-2005, 01:49 PM
Well I'll be the first to say I'm no expert here regarding dynos or much of anything else but two questions come to mind, seriously. 1. Do tuning shops adjust the Dyno reading for altitude/temp, and 2. Do different dynos read that far apart, 190 whp vs. 250 whp. The OP posted a lot of mods then posted dyno hp at what I would figure stock should be. Hwy61

here's my dyno plot after being tuned...

http://img356.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dynopumpgasmzm9os.png

IMPORTIMAGE
11-20-2005, 03:54 PM
01 c5, auto only mods- vararam intake system, z06 titanium catback (NO power increase) just about 10lbs lighter, and z06 motorsport wheels (heavier than stock) I ran a 13.1@106 multiple times. Now that I have the BFG drag radials, I should be in the 12.7 range. As in the 1/8th mile im outlaunching heavily modded sti's, modded awd audi s4's, I can beat a z06 until the top end and many other awd cars. So if he has street tires, it depends on the track conditions, if he has radials, your done. Mind you my 13.1 I spun through half of first gear and only had a 1.96 60ft. Now it is much quicker. An 01-04 c5 auto puts down around 300whp and 310tq. an 05+ puts down atleast 35 more. These runs were done power braking at about 1500rpms. With these BFG's I cannot spin them...at all..

From a roll the stock auto is at a big disadvantage, everytime you floor it, it takes time for the car to shift. If you manually shift it and keep it higher in the rev's it responds pretty well.

Driver72
11-20-2005, 04:37 PM
Comparing drag strips times from different drag strips is like comparing
different dyno results from different dynos.
It won't give you much in the way of realistic comparisons.

To the OP
You should get him off the line no problem if you're willing to launch hard
but as speeds climb he'll most likely reel you in.

Consider this, in a recent Car and Driver car magazine
the stock 06 STI had faster times to 30 AND 40 mph than
the 2006 Corvette ZO6.
C/D "corrects" their times for sea level and "ideal" atmospheric conditions.
And I'm sure they use the same testing track for all their cars.

The ZO6 obviously RIPS on by after about 45 mph, but with all the power
it's harder to launch than the stock 06 STI.
So, an auto regular C6 Corvette won't launch as good as
either.
Take him to a strip, you'll most likely post the better ET but he'll
have a faster trap speed...he'd eventually reel you in and pass if say it
was a mile long track.
From a highway roll, he'd probably slightly pull on you.

IMPORTIMAGE
11-20-2005, 04:55 PM
Sti's were running slower than me with more mods than he has on the same day, at the same track. It was about 85 degrees out. an auto vette is not hard to launch at all. light turns green...floor it, you dont even have to stall it, the pedal/car has that quick of a reaction. It really depends on how consistent the driver of the STI is. vs a white sti that ran consistent 13.3-4's the same day with 1.7-1.8 60 foots, he had turboback, utec, ridiculously large fmic, and some other mods, not professionally tuned to his defense. in the 1/4 I would beat him everytime. So my take on the outcome. If he has radials, your done. If you've been practicing your launch and are consistent then there is a good chance that you will win. I know of a friends 05 auto vette who is pretty slow, he just cant make any good times with it, mine wins all day long. So it also depends on if his car is fast from the factory or not.

Driver72
11-20-2005, 05:09 PM
Just noticed something, for 2006 the C6 corvette automatic
gets a new 6 speed auto.
The 2005 C6 vette made due with the C5's 4 speed auto.
I'd bet the 2006 C6 Corvette auto is now just as fast
as the manual. And more consistent launching.

Drag radials kind of nullifies a heads up race however, as it's a major
advantage in the launching.
I agree though, it takes an STI driver whose willing to launch
at 5500+ rpms to get the jump or any chance of winning.
Again, it depends on the track how well a vette will launch.
If you just hammer the gas at many tracks around here in a powerful
RWD car, it will simply result in spinning for the first 100+ feet.
And an AWD car will long have gotten a good launch and be out front.

I put a hurt on a 300ZX twin turbo with $10K in mods the other
day at LACR in the 1/8 mile in my Stage 1 LGT. He caught me and ran on past
after the 1/8 mile though, trapping at 10 mph better than I did.
Afterward he mentioned if only he could get the traction I got with
my AWD launch.

volkl23
11-20-2005, 06:24 PM
What are you waxing that STI with? :eek: Hwy61
1234.

Vampyr
11-20-2005, 09:39 PM
mine wins all day long.

A have a friend with a Syclone that could easily wipe the dragstrip with your chevy. let me rephrase that, I have a friend with a pickup truck that could woop your vette.

anyhow... nothing against you, I just hate vettes and most of the cocky drivers behind them. Just about every vette driver I meet at the track thinks he has something to prove because he paid 40,000+ for a car.

robertrinaustin
11-20-2005, 11:18 PM
Well I'll be the first to say I'm no expert here regarding dynos or much of anything else but two questions come to mind, seriously. 1. Do tuning shops adjust the Dyno reading for altitude/temp, and 2. Do different dynos read that far apart, 190 whp vs. 250 whp. The OP posted a lot of mods then posted dyno hp at what I would figure stock should be. Hwy61
Yes different dynos read that far apart and the one here in Austin reads the lowest. Don't go there wanting numbers to brag about. I put down 330 whp on that dyno and run 11.9 at 118 mph.

Junaid, if you can launch, you will win. I have yet to see a stock Vet break 13.0 at SAR and you should be under that with the right launch. It will just take some practice and a clutch that holds. :D

reddevil
11-20-2005, 11:28 PM
I SMOKED a C60 vette at the last drag at PIR this year. It was AWESOME!!!!!!!! :p

I admit he choked and messed up his launch but damn I would give 100 bucks to have a video of my wagon killing him! :banana:

Then I shifted into third, had a manifold backfire and blew my intake off the throttle body and he screamed past me at a bazillion miles an hour. :rolleyes:

But I still would give anything for a video of the 1/8th!

hwy61
11-21-2005, 02:28 AM
here's my dyno plot after being tuned...

http://img356.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dynopumpgasmzm9os.png

Thanks, but after five min, all I got was the top inch of the Dyno chart. Something's slow. Hwy61

Inprogress
11-21-2005, 02:43 AM
Thanks, but after five min, all I got was the top inch of the Dyno chart. Something's slow. Hwy61

Dont know whats the matter with it but heres my original thread with the dyno plot..

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=872465

salisburyv
11-21-2005, 07:35 AM
my best run 12.66@118..poor reaction time 1.8 60'...with that trap i should be close to 11's...I'm workin on it.

hwy61
11-21-2005, 05:28 PM
Dont know whats the matter with it but heres my original thread with the dyno plot..

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=872465

OK, came right up that time. I didn't realize dynos varied that much. Perhaps I have 600whp and don't know it. At least you have a base run to compare to the tune. I had so many mods we weren't able to do base runs and I had never had it dynoed before. No awd dynos in B-ham, whole bunch in Atlanta. Hwy61

IMPORTIMAGE
11-21-2005, 06:23 PM
A have a friend with a Syclone that could easily wipe the dragstrip with your chevy. let me rephrase that, I have a friend with a pickup truck that could woop your vette.

anyhow... nothing against you, I just hate vettes and most of the cocky drivers behind them. Just about every vette driver I meet at the track thinks he has something to prove because he paid 40,000+ for a car.

#1 everyone "has a friend" thats still not you. the guy that tinted some of my cars around here has a crx that runs 10.80's untuned...there are plenty of cars that will wax mine. I just like the combo of decent gas mileage and reliability, it was something different than the other cars i've owned. As I moved from NJ (snow/bad weather filled) to FL...sunshine state..I gave up turbo awd cars. I miss them so much im building one as a project car. I need manual, and I need boost! its addicting!

#2 I never said I beat everything, compared to most cars that are at the strip my vette is slow. I said in comparison to an sti with utec and exhaust..just simple mods. My vette is just a fun, florida car to have, I have an eclipse awd that will own my vette all day long coming out in the next 2 weeks.

#3 Im not every corvette owner. Its not the best car in the world, its my 9th car, I've had a bit of everything. I paid under 30 for mine, I respect every subaru/every other type of car owner, as I've been a suby/mitsu/bmw/dodge/ford/chevy/mazda/jaguar owner. Im not cocky about the car, it cost less than your sti or around the same. besides, if you saw my daily driver, you'd never believe i owned anything more than a $500 car. The vette is just for pleasure, the dsm is for daily use/advertisement, and my dodge is for daily use.

Phatron
11-21-2005, 06:41 PM
I hit 140 in 14 sec
:lol:

ok....12 seconds to get to 110 mph, then you get to 140 in 1 more second.

Thats a helluva top end there.

Most STi's in the low to mid 12's go from 85-90mph in the 1/8th to 110-115mph in the 1/4 over ~4 seconds.

Then you go from 115 to 140mph in 1.5 seconds. Damn.

is that when you hit the naws :lol:

Even if you ran a 12.0 @ 115 mph it would still take you way more than 2 seconds to get to 140 mph.
I think your butt timer was malfunctioning.

flycaster
11-21-2005, 06:50 PM
anyhow... nothing against you, I just hate vettes and most of the cocky drivers behind them. Just about every vette driver I meet at the track thinks he has something to prove because he paid 40,000+ for a car.
I dunno, but that is certainly not limited to Corvette drivers. Frankly, I'm seeing more and more of that with every relatively hot car driver, including those that own modded-up STi's. It seems like it is the rare stop light these days where you don't have some teenager or 20 something guy sitting next to you revving his motor. It's kinda humorous actually...

Illusive
11-21-2005, 07:05 PM
you'll have your work cut out for you.

at irwindale the c6 autos run 8.1-8.2's @ 87-88mph (1/8 mile)

with 1.9-2.0 60's.

Granted I can beat them to the 1/8 (best 8.11 @ 84.5) but if it were a 1/4 race I'd get beaten like a red headed stepchild (no offense to redheads)

4-5mph advantage is huge. The vettes pick up more speed in the back 1/8 than an sti will also.

005sti
11-21-2005, 07:24 PM
one perspective that's really cool if you're a suby fan, and i could be off in my specifics, but my AND MANY OTHER lightly modded stis (mine has approx $1500 in mods) run high 12s with around 105mph trap speeds, but we have to get approx 1/2 way through 5th gear (shift several times) to get through the 1/4. new vettes barely have to shift to third (I think...don't they go 100 in 2nd???) to get to through the 1/4..Just a thought. If the sti's had gears as long as the c6s, maybe (maybe not)they'd be trapping 110-115 with 1500 in mods (of course, i'm drastically oversimplifying the differences in engineering between the 2 cars)

drdome99
11-21-2005, 07:42 PM
170 on public roads sweet man, next time try your top speed tests in school zones. way more fun...


There are public roads in PA where you could sleep on the road for 24 hours and not worry about a car coming by and they are bordered by farm land for 10 miles without a house in view. Just because it was a public road doesn't mean there were children, pedestrians, and other cars flying by within feet of him.

Audi-TT
11-21-2005, 11:34 PM
170 on public roads sweet man, next time try your top speed tests in school zones. way more fun...


Why don't you go buy a civic, or kia or some crap please? Leave the "fun" cars to us, kthx. :devil:

Didn't think the regular vette would hit that high...pretty nice.

*in no way to I condone street racing, but at 3 am and on a wide open freeway, which consists of mostly straightaways, people like you have no business on them*

n2xlr8n
11-22-2005, 08:54 AM
Auto C6 will probably be able to launch just as good as you... and he WILL NOT miss a shift. You got your work cut out for you.


Yep. I bet he waxes your ass.....esp on the big end. :)