Greetings Subi owners!

TCE Performance Products is happy to report the release of TWO new BBKs for the WRX.

As a Wilwood dealer TCE has and continues to offer the popular 13" BSL6 front kit as well as the four pot rear kit. But....after spending some time poking around here and reviewing what was missing from the platform I came to the conclusion that there is a market for the smaller brake kit or LBK.

There are now two options for the 15" and 16" wheel crowd.

Option 1. The Wilwood 12" DynaPro street kit. This kit is intended to offer a very streetable, durable package for the daily driver and occasional track day user. The rotor is 12"DV part with the new DP caliper with fully booted pistons. This caliper has proven to be very stable in both street and compeition use where low clearance is an issue. The caliper offers a number of pad options so it can be tuned to your needs. Standard are the popular BP10 pads Starting at only $899 (and optional Drilled/Slotted for $999) this package is sure to become the benchmark in LBK value!

Option 2. TCE's own Rally version of this kit. TCE has spec'd the caliper with Stainless Steel pistons for improved heat rejection or can be ordered with Wilwood's own 'Thermlock' pistons for an additional charge. The rotor has been replaced with a more severe duty 1.00" wide rotor, gas slotted, and heat treated. Pads are the race proven Polymatix B compound offering a wide range of 'ramped up' response for a varied use. This kit has a base price of $1079.

Both of these kits are sold complete with dedicated radial mount brackets, hoses and all the appropriate hardware. While both are intended to fit 15 and 16" wheel applications please contact TCE for further clearance data as it becomes available.

Full details of these and the entire TCE line can be found here:
http://www.tceperformanceproducts.com/cgi-bin/brakes/cginews.pl?record=19

For those of you with the standard 13" Wilwood kit as well as other kits using Wilwood calipers TCE offers you the entire line of Polymatrix brake pads for your tuning applicatoins:
http://www.tceperformanceproducts.com/pads.html

Todds a great guy Buy his stuff!
Kevin



Greetings Subi owners!

TCE Performance Products is happy to report the release of TWO new BBKs for the WRX.

As a Wilwood dealer TCE has and continues to offer the popular 13" BSL6 front kit as well as the four pot rear kit. But....after spending some time poking around here and reviewing what was missing from the platform I came to the conclusion that there is a market for the smaller brake kit or LBK.

There are now two options for the 15" and 16" wheel crowd.

Option 1. The Wilwood 12" DynaPro street kit. This kit is intended to offer a very streetable, durable package for the daily driver and occasional track day user. The rotor is 12"DV part with the new DP caliper with fully booted pistons. This caliper has proven to be very stable in both street and compeition use where low clearance is an issue. The caliper offers a number of pad options so it can be tuned to your needs. Standard are the popular BP10 pads Starting at only $899 (and optional Drilled/Slotted for $999) this package is sure to become the benchmark in LBK value!

Option 2. TCE's own Rally version of this kit. TCE has spec'd the caliper with Stainless Steel pistons for improved heat rejection or can be ordered with Wilwood's own 'Thermlock' pistons for an additional charge. The rotor has been replaced with a more severe duty 1.00" wide rotor, gas slotted, and heat treated. Pads are the race proven Polymatix B compound offering a wide range of 'ramped up' response for a varied use. This kit has a base price of $1079.

Both of these kits are sold complete with dedicated radial mount brackets, hoses and all the appropriate hardware. While both are intended to fit 15 and 16" wheel applications please contact TCE for further clearance data as it becomes available.

Full details of these and the entire TCE line can be found here:
http://www.tceperformanceproducts.com/cgi-bin/brakes/cginews.pl?record=19

For those of you with the standard 13" Wilwood kit as well as other kits using Wilwood calipers TCE offers you the entire line of Polymatrix brake pads for your tuning applicatoins:
http://www.tceperformanceproducts.com/pads.html

pics of teh set up on a car installed? what is the 12" rotors weight? is it a dynapro caliper or a willwood caliper?

First pics on car coming hopefull this week yet.

For now:
http://www.wilwood.com/BrakeKits/Pages/05/index.asp#
Shown with the optional drilled rotor this is what it looks like.

Rotor weights: aprox.
Std 9.5
Drilled 8.5
TCE 10.0 (wider air gap for cooling, cheeks about the same as std .81 above)

Asked if these kits are the same kits offered some time ago from another vendor? The answer is NO. Not even close.

This (these) are all new kits with a completely different caliper- the DP or Dyna Pro caliper. Stress flow forgings, heavy bridge design, quick change pad clip, and proper piston sizing assures you this is no whimpy bolt on look cool kit. In fact one could say it's Rally tested tough on another Pikes Peak competitors car. *I'll get details for you.

The narrow rotor version will provide firm, linear clamping power and not need excessive leg to do so. The booted design answers the crys for long service life and lwo maintenance. Currently with four basic pad choices I'd put this kit up agianst anything else in its class.

The wider version only builds upon this solid design offering improved cooling and better heat management. I'd not suggest the TCE racing version for street use however due to pad noise and wear at lower temps.

Both kits 'could' work with the Wilwood factory rear four pot as wel but I don't belive that one would fit the 15" wheel.

Keep those cards and letters coming! :)

Stress flow forgings, heavy bridge design, quick change pad clip, and proper piston sizing assures you this is no whimpy bolt on look cool kit. In fact one could say it's Rally tested tough on another Pikes Peak competitors car. *I'll get details for you.

The narrow rotor version will provide firm, linear clamping power and not need excessive leg to do so. The booted design answers the crys for long service life and lwo maintenance. Currently with four basic pad choices I'd put this kit up agianst anything else in its class.

The wider version only builds upon this solid design offering improved cooling and better heat management. I'd not suggest the TCE racing version for street use however due to pad noise and wear at lower temps.

Both kits 'could' work with the Wilwood factory rear four pot as wel but I don't belive that one would fit the 15" wheel.

Keep those cards and letters coming! :)

I have a couple questions....

How well would these work with the pre-06 rear WRX brakes which are floating/slider pin type calipers? Will the brake bias be acceptable?

Also, if one were to buy the kit with the thinner rotor now, what would it take to upgrade to the thicker rotor later?

You say you would not recommend the thicker rotor version for the street but would you recommend the thinner rotor version for the track? Would it be up for track abuse? Of the four pads available, is there one that would be good for the track?

Do you have a price for the replacement portion of rotors? Would they need to be sent back to you for servicing?

Sorry for so many questions...it's just that I have been obsessing of finding the right "LBK" for my 05 WRX because I want to use 16" wheels. So, on the surface, this set up seems to be very nice.

I see no issues with the older rear calipers. In fact the changes to the new parts do not have a huge impact on this depending in part on the pads used in both ends of the car. I spent more than a little time considering the mix and match that seems to be the rage on this car. With a pad change I can make arguement for or against about any of them. People often forget (or don't know/don't care/aren't told) that pad changes have a huge impact on bias. I'm also concerned that the line pressure not be pumped up through the roof either to make this perform properly. Too much psi will result in premature rear reduction via the proportioning valve. And if the twin piston vs single floater is the root of your question you've been misinformed a bit about area calculations. Both calipers have nearly the same area.

No you could not really 'up size' later. I often offer this on a number of other kits and it's usually a great selling point. But on this the width changes not the OD of the rotor. Meaning the only way you could do this is to purchase a complete set of calipers due to the bridge size.

The comment on rotor width is based on the total package kit- not solely the rotor width. This package is the classic non booted, race pad, noisey, dusty, more wheel clearance required design. The thinner rotor will be fine for the average street/open track user. What's average? I'm thinking the guy who does one or two events a year but still drives back and forth to the track. Or does the occasional rally cross one time to try it etc. For the more 'hard core' user the wider rotor makes more sense given the elevated rotor temps- I'm thinking rally use, more regular track use etc. The street kit comes with the BP10 pads, where the track kit comes with the Poly B compound.

http://www.tceperformanceproducts.com/pads.html

Replacement rotors will run about $129-139 each.

No problem on the questions. That's what I do. You must keep in mid that these kits are meant to do exactly as you want. But they have some limitations if you're trying to compare them to 13" giant caliper applications as well. When you work a smaller rotor as hard as the larger one the limits are reached sooner. It's pretty simple if you just think of it in that manner. The larger the kit the more efficient it can be for the same work load. Here you have a well designed package with improvements accross the board; better rotors, four pot performance, real pad choices, weight savings and better thermal management.

For the value they won't be beat by any other offerings soon. If you want the 'biggest, baddest brakes you can stuff inside a 16 you'll need to get with me on custom work. Figure the cost will be two to three times as much too.

For those of you that do not know Todd!

He finds the need to slow and stop very importent! This is why!
Pikes Peak!

"Todd Cook took the Mini Sprint title with his run of 11:53.963. He would have been significantly faster, but he stalled his car just above Double Cut. “I stalled the motor where (Bobby) Regester’s car died. I probably lost ten or 15 seconds,” Cook said. “I can’t blame anybody but myself for this one. I’m happy to be first in the class. There’s a lot of good guys in this class. A lot of them want a piece of this win and they’ve been working hard to try it.”

GRM October issue. Cool pic as well.

Man, I suck. I had that record too....
I was sooo on the way to an 11.39 or there abouts. All I needed was about 7s.

I used to run 8-10 track days a year but with the new kid and all I might be lucky to get to 3 or 4 anymore so I'm thinking the street kit with the correct pads and maybe some brake ducting would be fine. I used to run a dedicated track car (a pseudo spec miata) but now I will be using the wrx the few times I actually get to do. I'm not expecting the same level of on track ability but really just looking to have fun with the car.

One other question though: how do you feel about these calipers in the slush and snow of the northeast? I live in MD and while it does not snow a lot, we do get a good storm a couple times a year.

Thanks again for answering the questions.

I used to run 8-10 track days a year but with the new kid and all I might be lucky to get to 3 or 4 anymore so I'm thinking the street kit with the correct pads and maybe some brake ducting would be fine. I used to run a dedicated track car (a pseudo spec miata) but now I will be using the wrx the few times I actually get to do. I'm not expecting the same level of on track ability but really just looking to have fun with the car.

One other question though: how do you feel about these calipers in the slush and snow of the northeast? I live in MD and while it does not snow a lot, we do get a good storm a couple times a year.

Thanks again for answering the questions.

Sorry to take so long to get back here. Been up to my butt in a D-sports custom rotor package today.

The pros and cons of booted calipers has been around like slots or holes, for a long time. Many turned away from some of the Wilwood line for the lack of these boots. A number of calipers in the product line are now fitted with full seals and should keep the 'pro' booted crowd happy. I've seldom found the snow, rain and dirt to really be the problem. Most often it comes from lack of cleaning when pad changing later on or allowing pads to wear down to far exposing the piston to excessive debris.

Here you see the intent of these two kits clearly. One is addressing the needs of the daily driver with the peace of mind wanted in a performance street kit. The other tackling the greater demands of harder running with the rotor change and the SS pistons (or thermlocks) to keep heat out of the caliper body.

For steet and a couple times per year track use I'd have no reservation about the street kit IF it's fitted with a reasonable set of pads prior to the event. Reasonable being the B compound for the most part. A compound will be hell on rotors and the excessive heat may begin to eat into those boots...
A word of caution on the ducts however- they must be pointed at the hub center or rotor opening to be most effective. If not and the air blows on the inner half of the rotor this can lead to an unstable rotor that cannot expand properly as well as uneven pad wear problems.

Expect the obvious; enhanced cooling properties, weight reduction, improved responsiveness, decent pad selection, lower rotational mass, good looks and I don't think you'd be disappointed.

In addition to offering these all new DYNA PRO caliper LBKs, please note that TCE can be your supplier of choice for other Wilwood products including;

*Standard BBK options, both front and rear at reasonable prices.
*Pedals, master cylinders, and proportioning valves.
*Replacements and spares for older kits- rotors, hats, caliper service parts.
*Brake pads- the full line of Polymatrix pads for BSL6, DP and other Wilwood caliper shod kits.
*TCE can also offer you race proven pad compounds for other calipers such as Brembo, AP, Alcon, Baer, Stoptech and others. Explore the possibilities.

The full line of pads, their performance and data can be found here:

http://www.tceperformanceproducts.com/pads.html

For non Wilwood based pads please visit the Wilwood home page here and call for current pricing:

http://brakepads.wilwood.com/

Why consider TCE for these needs? Because TCE is not a basement/back bedroom drop ship dealer. We stock pads, rotors, calipers and supporting hardware. And we can speak brakes- from pad choices to caliper sizing to rotor selection. TCE has produced race winning results in the open wheel racing community for over 20 years. And quality brake kit performance since 1993- Longer than some other companies have been in business.

What is the advantage of using the Wilwood street LBK as opposed to using the STi LBK? Can the Wilwood LBK be used up front with the STi rear 2 piston in the rear? The reason why I am asking is because I am trying to decide what type of brake upgrade to do. I have a 2001 2.5RS with a JDM WRX swap pushing 303 whp and the stock breaks arent quite cutting it anymore. I am using the stock 16" wheels so a BBK wont cut it. Does Wilwood make a rear upgrade that will work with 16" rims as well? I appreciate the help.

TCE,
I'm looking for the wilwood BBK front(6 piston) and Rear(4 piston) Can PM me a price shipped to 37076 with everything included. Also what are the advantages and disadvantages of this type of kit ( extra maintenance , etc...)

What is the advantage of using the Wilwood street LBK as opposed to using the STi LBK? Can the Wilwood LBK be used up front with the STi rear 2 piston in the rear? The reason why I am asking is because I am trying to decide what type of brake upgrade to do. I have a 2001 2.5RS with a JDM WRX swap pushing 303 whp and the stock breaks arent quite cutting it anymore. I am using the stock 16" wheels so a BBK wont cut it. Does Wilwood make a rear upgrade that will work with 16" rims as well? I appreciate the help.

Advantages are the fit of the lighter two piece hat/rotor combo, a quick change pad arrangement, and lesser expensive replacement parts; rotors and pads. These are a full 12" rotor, directional vane design as well. I guess I may not be keenly aware of the STi LBK as I only know them to be of about 12.8" which in no way will fit a 16" wheel. Also if it's fit to a smaller rotor the caliper body size may still pose limited clearance to the wheel where as the DP caliper is a nicely profiled package specific to low clearance problems. I'd need more details on the other parts to offer up much more. From a cost effective standpoint the price should prove pretty hard to beat.

The rear kit is the 12.19 DL caliper kit which will also fit a 16" wheel. Not a 15" wheel however.

TCE,
I'm looking for the wilwood BBK front(6 piston) and Rear(4 piston) Can PM me a price shipped to 37076 with everything included. Also what are the advantages and disadvantages of this type of kit ( extra maintenance , etc...)

thanks for the Pm and Price..what about the rest of the question

Sorry, ran off and did some other things to quickly. I think the advantages out weigh the disadvantages in nearly all aspects of the BBK.

Advantages are the same with this as other BBKs; weight loss, improved pedal response, pad choices, fade resistance.

Disadvantages are; potential wheel fit issues, more costly than lesser priced stock part kits, and a slight increase in moment of inertia based on larger rotors.

Maintenance is in the eye of the buyer. While there are many who feel that some calipers without dust boots are a poor choice. I run in dirt for many years and see no issue with this at all, and others with boots simply complain of burning them up on track use anyhow. Most maintenance issues are far more based on lack of commone sense not fitting proper pads to the application, running them down to the backing plates and poor installation practices. That being said, if someone so chooses to want a kit booted I can supply them with such in the form of the newer kits as well as the larger kits with some parts substition (and cost) to keep them happy.

The Subaru STI brakes I am referring to are the V5 and V6 black STi ones found on non-US based STIs. They are 4 pot front 2 pot rear brakes homoligated for Group N. I believe they are 11.2" rotors, non slotted front, and even smaller rear. These are non-brembo kits and they fit under 16" 1999 to 2001 2.5RS stock rims, but not the 16" 2002+ rims (can be found here when you scroll down: http://www.vtcar.com/service.htm). The question I have is do you have a Wilwood Front and Rear LBK that will work under the 2001 RS 16" rims. You mentioned that the rotor size in the front kit is 12" while the rear kit is the 12.19 DL caliper kit. I am assuming the rear rotor is 12.19". Is it ok for the rear rotor to be larger than the front rotor? What is the ideal setup to fit under the stock 16" rims for front and rear for street use? What pads should be used? How much would the setup cost? Thanks, Jason

The Subaru STI brakes I am referring to are the V5 and V6 black STi ones found on non-US based STIs. They are 4 pot front 2 pot rear brakes homoligated for Group N. I believe they are 11.2" rotors, non slotted front, and even smaller rear. These are non-brembo kits and they fit under 16" 1999 to 2001 2.5RS stock rims, but not the 16" 2002+ rims (can be found here when you scroll down: http://www.vtcar.com/service.htm). The question I have is do you have a Wilwood Front and Rear LBK that will work under the 2001 RS 16" rims. You mentioned that the rotor size in the front kit is 12" while the rear kit is the 12.19 DL caliper kit. I am assuming the rear rotor is 12.19". Is it ok for the rear rotor to be larger than the front rotor? What is the ideal setup to fit under the stock 16" rims for front and rear for street use? What pads should be used? How much would the setup cost? Thanks, Jason

Linky no worky, but that's fine.

I can't speak for what the other kits are and the exact comparing of them without some extensive information. The basics of this LBK is quite sound and should provide more than ample results, both for the money and the performance needs given the room to work. I'd have to reserve comment without more data.

The front rotor on both kit is 12.0". This is to accomodate the fit of many 15" rally wheels. That was the intended market. It 'could' be pushed to a 12.19 by special order perhaps. Seems slitting hairs over .095" radius however.

The only rear kit at this time is the 12.19 as I have stated. Yes it will fit 16s based on the OD of the kit but not a 15. That is part of the reason I have not brought it up for rally use. The rotor being used for the rear being slightly larger will have no impact on things at this small a difference. However, as I have said above, if it proves an issue to you the front can be larger as well.

What is the ideal set up for street use? I believe you'd find the basic LBK (with or without the upsizing) to be adequate for your needs. With the current rears or with another choice. The second stage of this LBK is to account for the higher heat applications of the rally use by way of greater rotor mass. At the loss of some wheel clearance as well. Wheel clearance may also be an issue. I'm often asked "can you make something better?" And many times the answer is yes. But if you require 1/2" wheel spacers to work does it really matter?

For low dust, modest bite and low noise BP10 pads are a great starting point. Want to turn it up a notch? Run E compound pads. Better bite at the lower temp range. Want to really crank it up? Run the B pads of the race kit. Just understand that the more you want out of this the more you need to put into it to start.

Prices for the front kits are here:
http://www.tceperformanceproducts.com/cgi-bin/brakes/cginews.pl?record=19

Rear kit pricing is not published on the web page, you'll need to call.

It appears from 2006 catalog review and speaking with Wilwood at the PRI show we may have ourselves some RED DP calipers in the near future as well.

I'm not certain of which models will be offered this way but I believe the Stage I street version will be. I doubt that the custom racing version will be offered this was as powdercoat can inhibit the calipers cooling ability and for rally use the dirt simply hides the part anyhow.

http://www.tceperformanceproducts.com/cgi-bin/brakes/cginews.pl?record=19

Figure and add-on cost of $100 per kit for this.

More firm details later from the show here in Orlando.

Im very interested in your Stage 1 kit. I see you have marked on your website that they are aluminum hats on the rotors. So im assuming that your stage 1 for 899 includes 2 Piece rotors? My last question is about the stainless lines that you provide. Are they ruber coated or straight up exposed stainless steal braided?

Yes, both kits are two piece hat/rotor.

Currently the hoses are non coated however I'm looking into possibly doing them as such on the compeition kit for dirt exposure. I'm keenly aware there are those who feel that this is a necessity on a kit. However with hundreds of kits in service for over 12yrs now the only hoses ever replaced were either crash damage parts (no, not hose caused) or from improper mounting where the hose is secured to a fixed object. For those running street and open track use the value is minimal (speaking from one who has extensive 20+ years in open wheel race car prep and build) however when exposed to the dusty elements of off road the value is there by keeping light grit and dust from becoming imbedded in the braid. This can lead to abrasion of the teflon hose as the grit works itselft against the braid and liner. For the record; yes I do insulate my hoses on the Pikes Peak car for this very reason. Heat shrink is cheap and effective.

If you desire them as such I'm confident we can make arrangements.

High mileage?
Seems we have some here:
http://www.srtforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2775871#post2775871

With a couple weeks until Christmas TCE will offer up free ground shipping on all TCE and Wilwood brake kits. *cont. USA only

Six pot fronts, the new DynaPro LBK, even your best friends Mustang kit. Get your orders in before December 23 and the ground UPS is free.

Also note that we have all Wilwood Polymatix pads on sale at 20% off our already low daily prices. Six pot BSL calipers, the LBK, Dynalites on the Perrin kits, all regularly stocked pad are included.

Grab a LBK for under $1000, some spare or track pads for a discount and all the shipping is included! Dare I say; it won't get much easier than this. :banana:

Well....until I can get some on car Subi pics this one's going to have to hold you over:

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/6636/bbkinstalled0037wo.jpg

Anybody have a Lightning or Harley truck?

I'm happy to report that we finally have some 'on car' pics of the new LBK.
Thanks to Eric for his help in getting this done.

The LBK offers the most premium performance for the dollar. True two piece, light weight hats, directional 12" rotors*, radial mount DynaPro calipers, in a most compact, low clearance design.

For under a grand!

"What's the best small brake kit I can get for my WRX?" Your're looking at it.


*Shown with optional 12.2" rotor. Standard kit size is 12.0" for use with 15" rotors. Same price.

I'm happy to report that we finally have some 'on car' pics of the new LBK.
Thanks to Eric for his help in getting this done.

The LBK offers the most premium performance for the dollar. True two piece, light weight hats, directional 12" rotors*, radial mount DynaPro calipers, in a most compact, low clearance design.

For under a grand!

"What's the best small brake kit I can get for my WRX?" Your're looking at it.


*Shown with optional 12.2" rotor. Standard kit size is 12.0" for use with 15" rotors. Same price.
Todd has been incredibly helpful with my setup and install.
Thanks!
- Eric

Just an update:
These brakes are awesome. The pads give a great initial bite and the stopping power has been drastically increased over OEM levels. The kit was easy to install and Todd has been a pleasure to deal with.

Is there a kit for the rears? Your website mentions something about the rears but no details are given.

Currently the only rear kit is the popular Wilwood factory rear kit. Often sold or mentioned with the factory front six pot kit.
http://www.wilwood.com/PDF/ds411.pdf

I have plans for a slightly smaller, matching rear kit to compliment the DP caliper front kit. It's still a way away from any production. The delay is based on both questions about fit as well as demand for such a product given the other rear options available.

Keep us updated. When I upgrade my brakes, I want to upgrade as a complete set. Luckily I only have 10k on my car and I want to get some use out of the stock brakes.

I'm hoping to have a set installed here in town later this week yet. The hold up is hoses at this time. I'm thinking Friday.

I might also add that if you missed the post, TCE now has an interactive on line brake bias calculator to help you with any of the crossover parts applications you may be considering. Feel free to use it at your convenience.

http://www.tceperformanceproducts.com/brake_bias_calculator.html

For those who have been waiting...kits are shipping out the door today. Sorry for the delay.