Why do you have a naturally aspirated motor?

It didn't come with a turbo and I don't want the hassles.. 'nuff said
:)

I like to auto-x and well STS is the perfect N/A tuner friendly class. If I went turbo I'd not be very competitive outside of my region.. That and I'd need a new tranny and lots other things to do it right... Money is probablly prime factor though.

Have you looked at how much it costs to NA tune a car. In the long haul, Turbo is WAY cheaper. Try to NA tune a car to 300 hp! :D

I've heard that "in the long run" theory before....

Fact is...not many people have all the funds needed to get a complete kit at once.. I suppose patience has a lot to do with it...

I recently got new cams, p&p throttle body and manifold, pulley, headers, exhaust, and wheels... cost was reasonable, and the gains were incredible... is it enough? for now? yeah...I'd say it's enough... maybe an engine swap is in my future...but for now with the little (depends on what you consider a little) money I spent...I'm very happy with my car.

don't get me wrong... if I had the cash to do it, I would have gotten myself a kit, tranny, clutch, etc... and also a daily driver beater car (it's not a mod that can be done reliably in a day)

And I believe it's common knowledge that turbos require some care when tuning.

I like working on the car, and the beater car would be used to go on parts runs while the RS is jacked up. :)

Keeping in mind that after you factor in the new tranny for the turbo build, the costs become pretty close.

You forgot the option "Stuck N/A because I just can't quite save enough $$".

-Jon
www.nothingserious.net

Judging from the polls seems we like to get pretty speedy without the cars.:D

because I can't afford the turbo, yet alone the repair bills when I...
1. Crack up my motor
2. explode second gear
3. I need more boost

I got a NA motor cuz its fast enuff right now... Plus down the line when I can afford it I will get a turbo for my 2.5 RS <OR> just lay down $ for a WRX if it is offered as a 2-door.

I dont want cracking pistons, cracking synchros, etc...

-justin

when i got my car, the dealer didn't even know what WRX was. (Stupid Stevenscreek) So I got the RS... Don't want to go turbo yet because there are much more to learn about my car. I have very limited knowledge on cars in general comparing to a lot of people here. I am just the type of person that won't take the next step until I have enough background to support it. I have the money for turbo but I prefer to put them into my IRA account. :D

2yLiTe-
How much faster do you estimate your car to be after the mods...have you gotten timed at the track?

more of a challenge to do

Originally posted by iBlueVirus
So I got the RS... Don't want to go turbo yet because there are much more to learn about my car. I have very limited knowledge on cars in general comparing to a lot of people here. I am just the type of person that won't take the next step until I have enough background to support it.

Yeah.. you're in a similar boat to me.. I wanna see the limits of the car I have now, and besides I have never truly hopped up a car like my RS, and I'm not so sure detonation by 11psi is the way to go..

Korey

My car is a commuter car before it is anything else.

my last job I was commuting 100 miles daily.. 50+K on a 2000 RS.
but the car is still really healthy, even with the hard driving I seem to enjoy so much.

I'm getting cams soon..
I'm very pleased with my car now..
I'll be estatic post cams.

No track stats yet...

but if I go by the feeling of going down familiar roads (and we all do this) I can honestly feel the difference... I know that doesn't sound too promising...but I will have some numbers before the end of summer...(there isn't a track in my city)

estimating has never been my strong point so I won't even attempt... besides, I don't race on the street, and I'm not at the track... but I still consider myself an enthusiast, and I can tell you that I'm very enthusiastic about the gains that I've experienced.

anyone want to guess what my 1/4mile time will be? I consider myself to be somewhat of a below average launcher (but that will improve with practice) I've babied the clutch since I got the car... maybe only 6 hard launches since 1998.

Because being slow is OK too.

Proud owner of a bone stock (and slow) '89 240SX, but glad to have a turbo'd daily driver. :p

-WaC
Wayne

I belive that it's damned expensive for a "reliable" turbo kit: $5,000-8,000, and there's much better things to spend the money on than a turbo, or crack. ;) Maybe when I'm richer (i.e. out of college) I'll consider it.

I like 2nd gear to much to turbo!

Until now, I couldnt afford a Turbo.....NA is to expensive

the great american dollar
the bottom line
moolah
the buck
bread
dough
$$$
i can go on...i have MANY more reasons

It's so simple: 2.5 RS's aren't ment to turbo. The stroke, compression, and everything elts really dont lend themselves to being turboed. You can obviously turbo a RS, but with low boost, so for the money (as opposed to turboing some other brand which lends itself to turboing where you could crank the boost) SPEND THE MONEY @ COBB and NA tune the RS. ...Plus, while I kinda understand the concept of forced induction, I really dont understand the whole picture, so therefore I feel more comfortable with NA, plus it is power--RIGHT HERE, RIGHT NOW, power even in 1st gear, oh and it sounds mean.

Freshman chicks RULE!!!!!!!!!!! mmmmmmm, to think they were JUST in Highschool mere months ago .... :) so much for them to learn, so much for me to teach :D :D :D

--john frey

Hey Frey (I'm a poet and didn't even know it :) )

I can understand your point, but you have to realize that there are plenty of RST's out there...and they are running quite reliably... with good power albeit with low boost.

With regard to "aren't ment to turbo", I'm assuming you mean some cars take to the turbo better than others....point well taken, but I must admit...the 2.5RS is a totally different car with a turbo. I think it's just the preference of the owner... to turbo or not to turbo....that is the question... the answer lies in your bank account. :)

I've got an NA tuned car for the reason that I didn't have all the money at once to get a decent kit (and associated parts)

what about all of us out here NOT runnin a 2.2

i'm very confident that my pistons wouldn't crack w/ a turbo on it

the 2.2 takes a turbo quite well from what i hear

what baout the 1.8?

any 1.8-t's out there?

True, in the total scheme of things you can get more total HP out of a turbo system vs. a NA system (regardless of how much you spend) thats the botton line. But regarding the RS, with the money you SHOULD spend to turbo correctly, you might as well get an ej20 with tranny, or something in the likes. Meanwhile, if you are keeping the existing tranny/motor- reliability and DRIVER HABBIT come to the foreground as the more pressing issue. Sure if you ran a turbo with a ton of boost, but had my mom drive the car, the tranny and motor would last forever (assumung she remembers to have the oil changed...hehe, poor mini van)

So, I like NA tuning for the RS. I don't not like turboing the RS, but I just think it's not very cost effictive when considering the long term ramifications that WILL surface (if you drive like I do) adn the performance gains ****in comparison with the same amount of money spent on NA tuning ...ie new throttle body, engine management, cams, heads, exhaust, flywheel, intake......you know the works.

Who knows, I'm sure the tranny doesn't care wether you're pushing 220+ HP from turbo or NA, IT AINT GONNA LIKE IT!!!! but you know, do you really want to be driving the same car for like 10 years anyway????

This thread is funny, it's almost like discussing the fact that I like the color blue, and I think it's the best color......because you know it is , right?

Later

Frey

If you are going to get 220 hp n/a, you are going to be doing it way up in the rev range, and you will probably never get above 190 or so lb/ft of torque.

220 by the turbo will probably be coming on by before the magical 5252 and you will be exercising considerably more twist to the tranny. This is what causes teeth to plink off.

N/A is cool when you can do it, but turbo is where the BIG POWER is.

That said, happily covered by Jack's intact warranty.

cheers,
scotto

BE PROUD FREY!!


I'm an NA believer...and the colour BLUE ROCKS!!! :)

Clarification: when I said "kit" I meant an STI VIII front clip!

My NA motor will stay NA...

I hear ya on the warrenty.

Personally, I've always loved the challenge. Even when I was tuning v8's, I never touched a supercharger, or a turbo. Nitrous wasn't even in the picture. The noise is the other reason. Nothing sounds like an N/A car. I can't wait to see if multiple TB's work on this car. (Not if, but how. ;)) N/A is still just a another fun way to build a car! Gary

...there are many turbo RS out there , but there is only one low 14's RS ....:cool: :cool: :cool:

Andres

Not for long.............................................. ....;)

I would also prefer my gears with teeth!

I knew Andres would show up! :lol: ;)

Rob

Ha :lol: He said $3000 for a turbo. I haven't seen too many $3000 Turbo setups without another $2500 that effectively do anything for very long.

I would say I would rather put the extra $7000 in my pocket and save it for when SOA release a Foced Induction Legacy or H6 Legacy.

Brad

I am poor and can barely afford the maintanance on my trials bikes. If I had the money I would go turbo.

its more fun to slowly add new mods to the engine, and slowly increasing the power.
with a turbo, you just add one thing and the power's there.
NA power is more of a skill. :lol: