Just got back from the San Francisco Autoshow, saw the Solberg WRC car (mocked up car not the real car) and saw the Z06 corvette. Damn that car is hot looking, way bettter than the regular c6 corvette. I was just reading some threads and found a z06 dyno, as my original mark for performance for mods for my sti was c5 z06 performance, this significantly raises the bar. This z06 had been tuned. This is a stock car.

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d142/21STCENTURYMUSCLECARS/DSCF0006.jpg

A stock C6 Z06 goes for around 440 hp. Add long tubes, add 40 hp!!! Sick ride though. I really do like the new Z06's. Bad @$$!!!



Mika

wow, the new z06 is a monster.

06 zo6 stock is 505hp

is the graph above showing WHP or BHP?

Awesome. I def need to ride in or drive one of those things. One that's modified. :devil:

I LOVE that torque curve. LOVE IT!

not bad for 70 grand

This is whp!!!!

ibsomekindofdomestichating

Yeah, it's a great car - proven on the Nurenburg in GE....sigh.

I'd like to see it on the gruppe-s dyno to compare it to my car.

holy crap, look at all that TQ down low, i bet that car is a monster to drive. Not used to seeing dyno charts that look like that!

yup it's baddass, there is clip floating around of one ripping an 11.XX@125mph quarter mile.

Not the Z06 drag vid, but interesting
http://videos.streetfire.net/Player.aspx?fileid=8032EEBA-4431-4504-8CDA-6BF50FD5CF2C&p=0

... and for some people even those numbers aren't good enough ... so they turbocharge Vettes: http://turbochargedpower.com/Corvette.htm

Dam! Gotta love that 2300 TQ!

Mike

what will a 06 Z06 do in a quarter mile?

Damn, sometimes I wish for 2wd. I look at my dyno plots and say, man it it was 2wd... I know you can get diffs to do it. Just saying.....

Never seen the new Z06 yet. I bet it is nice. Not such a fan of the C5.5. Looks too much like a kit car. I have hopes for the C7 to be more Itialian in design but I fear that is COMPLETLY unrealistic from GM. The makers of the Aztec and the Cavlier. Really, is it that hard to make a car that actually looks sexy. C5.5 may look good but it is not sexy and the good part is WAY subjective at that. I liked the C5 Z06 better myself.

I digress, that is a crazy powercurve for that money AND out of the box. I may actually get the C7 if they keep this up and step up the style a bit.

id say about an 11.7 in stock form

what will a 06 Z06 do in a quarter mile?


Here is a stock one just the other month at the locally track.

Cripped 1st,2nd and 3rd gears on his way to a 11.7!

http://srika.com/video/GLDc6z06.wmv

nice clip :eek:

sweet video! wonder what his 60ft was? was that Z stock? damn, it was fast.

my g/f's mom ownes one lol seriously

my g/f's mom ownes one lol seriously
you need to start using that shower gel form the commercials where the gf's mom keeps popping buttons on her shirt, etc.

get her to let you drive the Z06

Here is a stock one just the other month at the locally track.

Cripped 1st,2nd and 3rd gears on his way to a 11.7!

http://srika.com/video/GLDc6z06.wmv

my sti will do that on pump gas!

GT30r kit fuel pumps
heads/cams injectors 850cc
throttle body water injection kit
headers perrin FMIC
exhaust

sti plus upgrades $43,000
06 zo6 $70,000 msrp

not bad for an sti :)

my sti can do that on pump gas!

GT30r kit fuel pumps
heads/cams injectors 850cc
throttle body water injection kit
headers
exhaust

sti plus upgrades $37,000
06 zo6 $70,000 msrp

not bad for an sti :)

Nice, I would like to be in the low 12 after the 3/36 is up.

Must have got your car used!

^^^^^
Uh oh I sense people being like "ehh ehh im gay put mods on the Z06 and see what happens"
Please lets not have that happen
You have a point though, yay subaru power..

got my sti brand new with 49 miles below msrp $29,000

i just thought it was cool that subarus can be modded and can keep up with high performance exotic cars: porsche, corvette, nsx, mercedes amg, M3, etc

i still can believe how easy it is to make a subaru super fast.

but i would buy a Z06 if i had the money and keep it bone stock rather than tearing apart a subaru for high hp. but i don't so i have a subaru and i drive it fast :)

Yeah, it's a great car - proven on the Nurenburg in GE....sigh.

I'd like to see it on the gruppe-s dyno to compare it to my car.
:lol: I've made that mistake too...

my sti can do that on pump gas!

GT30r kit fuel pumps
heads/cams injectors 850cc
throttle body water injection kit
headers perrin FMIC
exhaust

sti plus upgrades $37,000
06 zo6 $70,000 msrp

not bad for an sti :)

I'd say thats awesome for 1/2 the price... as long as you realize, in just about any other contest of speed (well, on pavement anyway :D ), track, highway roll-on, etc. that car dominates. Take a look at the trap speeds...You have a car that is just as quick through the 1/4, but certainly not anywhere near as fast as the Z06

Then again, when are you really running those speeds anyway... I'd take a quick STi over a fast Z06 for 99% of driving anyway...

I'd say thats awesome for 1/2 the price... as long as you realize, in just about any other contest of speed (well, on pavement anyway :D ), track, highway roll-on, etc. that car dominates. Take a look at the trap speeds...You have a car that is just as quick through the 1/4, but certainly not anywhere near as fast as the Z06

Then again, when are you really running those speeds anyway... I'd take a quick STi over a fast Z06 for 99% of driving anyway...

you'd be suprised how fast my sti reaches +160 mph, i know i still am! as far as acceleration i know i can keep up with anything that runs on pump gas: vipers, blown mustangs, M3, e55 AMG, nsx. i know this because i have :D

but as far as going speeds of above 160mph i know that i have reached the max ability of my subaru while the other cars are just licking their chops :(

BTW you woill only find 1or2 places around you area that will be able to drive +160 mph and to find an exotic car with you on that road that is willing to go that fast with you is very exciting but also very unlikely.

drive safely........

Yeah, it's a great car - proven on the Nurenburg in GE....sigh.

I'd like to see it on the gruppe-s dyno to compare it to my car.
Do you really.... It's got be close to 400 (with the dyno setup properly for rwd)

Do you really.... It's got be close to 400 (with the dyno setup properly for rwd)

edit........

i know i can keep up with anything that runs on pump gas: vipers, blown mustangs, M3, e55 AMG, nsx. i know this because i have :D


drive safely........

I'd hope you'd destroy an M3, and certainly an NSX <-- they are teh slow

You won't keep up with a new Z06 though...but I'm still jealous of your car....

I'd hope you'd destroy an M3, and certainly an NSX <-- they are teh slow

You won't keep up with a new Z06 though...but I'm still jealous of your car....

I like how with a GT30R this person is cliaming to be as fast as the new Z06. Lately in proven power when somene takes their GT turbo kit to the track they run high 12s or in the 13's. So I don't see how a GT30R is going to be in the mid-11's on pump gas like the vette is.

And I wouldn't call an NSX slow either (maybe the older 3.0 ones), the one in my garage ran a 12.87 stock and a 12.5 with intake, headers, exhaust, and tires.

Also, back on subject, APS now makes a twin turbo kit for the Vette.

http://www.airpowersystems.com.au/corvette/c6.htm

http://www.airpowersystems.com.au/corvette/front_3_4.jpg

http://www.airpowersystems.com.au/corvette/C64.gif

^^^^^
Uh oh I sense people being like "ehh ehh im gay put mods on the Z06 and see what happens"
Please lets not have that happen
You have a point though, yay subaru power..


no one except maybe a little kid is going to say that. We buy cars for either performance or prestige, and people will always see a 30k car as a 30k car and a 70k car as a 70k car; I seriously doubt anybody has illusions that "Wow I'm so great the guy who bought the Ferrari in cash while I bought my turbo sedan on a loan wasted his hard earned money!"

A GT30R turbo kit on a STi, even with a big built block, will never have the beutiful and flat torque curve of the new Z06.

A GT30R turbo kit on a STi, even with a big built block, will never have the beutiful and flat torque curve of the new Z06.

I don't think an STI will ever cost 70K either. ;)

STI maybe a serious drag competitor, and Ali Afshar is doing great job proving that, but STI's main potential opens up on a different kind of road where power isn't always a decision factor.

Sure it's nice to realize that your Subaru's 1/4 mile time is in Z06's ballpark, but the faster you go, the less chances you have to keep up with Vette.

And vice versa, once you get to the twisties, Z06 will begin sweating in attempt to keep up with an STI provided that both drivers are really good.

So, why to compare apples and oranges?

And vice versa, once you get to the twisties, Z06 will begin sweating in attempt to keep up with an STI provided that both drivers are really good.



You've got to be kidding me, the STi is a great car (I own one), but unless your spending a ton on suspension, the Z06 will destroy it in any competition(except in the rain or winter).

[QUOTE=Aleksey]And vice versa, once you get to the twisties, Z06 will begin sweating in attempt to keep up with an STI provided that both drivers are really good.
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You have GOT to be kidding.

And vice versa, once you get to the twisties, Z06 will begin sweating in attempt to keep up with an STI provided that both drivers are really good.

Only in the rain. I love my sti but expect to have an sti handed it's arse in the twisties unless it has heavy suspension mods and better tires. Remember the z06 has huge tires and weighs lighter, it even slaloms better. I wouldn't compare these vehicles because there's no comparison, they're two totally different types of vehicles.

once you get to the twisties, Z06 will begin sweating in attempt to keep up with an STI provided that both drivers are really good.



Oh, you got me GOOD!

Not.

my sti will do that on pump gas!

GT30r kit fuel pumps
heads/cams injectors 850cc
throttle body water injection kit
headers perrin FMIC
exhaust

sti plus upgrades $43,000
06 zo6 $70,000 msrp

not bad for an sti :)
:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

I guess I had to say a rally prepared STI ... I saw a video of one going through the course (I believe it was in Greece) and then Porsche Carrera Turbo was going through the same course and the time difference was almost 2 minutes - STI won. My assumption is that Carrera Turbo and Z06 are pretty comparable as far as handling.

I guess I had to say a rally prepared STI ... I saw a video of one going through the course (I believe it was in Greece) and then Porsche Carrera Turbo was going through the same course and the time difference was almost 2 minutes - STI won. My assumption is that Carrera Turbo and Z06 are pretty comparable as far as handling.

You know those rally STis are like $300,000?

[QUOTE=Aleksey]



And vice versa, once you get to the twisties, Z06 will begin sweating in attempt to keep up with an STI provided that both drivers are really good.

[QUOTE]



I just got back from driving a hpde event at Barbers in B'ham. My instructor took me for some laps in the red run group to show me a different line in his car. He has a mildly track prepped Z06. I think you're seriously underestimating the performance the vette has in the "twisties". The lateral grip and torque his car had were impressive to say the least.

it was not a WRC STI though ... it was a rally prepared, it had a cage, number, sponsor vinyls, but it was not painted the same way as the official WRC STIs painted. So I guess it wasn't that expensive ... anyway, I'm not trying to prove anything here, just telling what I saw and the conclusions I made out of it.

my sti will do that on pump gas!

GT30r kit fuel pumps
heads/cams injectors 850cc
throttle body water injection kit
headers perrin FMIC
exhaust

sti that runs like **** for a daily driver $43,000
06 zo6 $70,000 msrp

not bad for an sti :)


Fixed.

whats it the top speed of an sti and the top speed of the new z06. Or what im trying to say is what does the gearing allow it to be.

whats it the top speed of an sti and the top speed of the new z06. Or what im trying to say is what does the gearing allow it to be.
Ya and how about dem drag ratio's?

... and for some people even those numbers aren't good enough ... so they turbocharge Vettes: http://turbochargedpower.com/Corvette.htm

They wouldnt be good enough for 95% of the people here.

Why? Because its STOCK. 440whp Stock is still stock. Toss whatever the normal bolt on mods are for a Vette, and you are making MORE POWER!!!

And come on, who doesnt like more power???:D

The z06 is a totally awesome car, but sti's(even though not designed) can have the performance of a STOCK z06 as far as my intentions of building my sti to have a super quick acceleration from 100mph-160mph. i live in an area where these speeds are being raced. if we were in germany having the autobahn we would be drooling over the z06 for sure but since the U.S. doesn't have any roads that will go this fast we are stuck with how fast our cars can accelerate to up to around 160mph.

There are MANY other aspects to what makes a GREAT car but i find it halarious when i can hang with very expensive exotic cars when i only spent less than half of what the owner spent. all that other crap they spent was only for social recognition letting other people know that they think they are fast. its when this happens when i let them know that they spent too much on their ride to get their arses handed to them by a SUBARU that cost less than their junk. Maybe if we were in germany they could show the TRUE performance of a z06 but we're not....

An sti built with very high horsepower can race and compete with a stock z06 as far as SPEED and ACCELERATION is concerned. To add performance to a z06, i could also say that a sti with a gt35 or gt40r would compete with it.

The z06 is a totally awesome car, but sti's(even though not designed) can have the performance of a STOCK z06 as far as my intentions of building my sti to have a super quick acceleration from 100mph-160mph. i live in an area where these speeds are being raced. if we were in germany having the autobahn we would be drooling over the z06 for sure but since the U.S. doesn't have any roads that will go this fast we are stuck with how fast our cars can accelerate to up to around 160mph.

There are MANY other aspects to what makes a GREAT car but i find it halarious when i can hang with very expensive exotic cars when i only spent less than half of what the owner spent. all that other crap they spent was only for social recognition letting other people know that they think they are fast. its when this happens when i let them know that they spent too much on their ride to get their arses handed to them by a SUBARU that cost less than their junk. Maybe if we were in germany they could show the TRUE performance of a z06 but we're not....

An sti built with very high horsepower can race and compete with a stock z06 as far as SPEED and ACCELERATION is concerned. To add performance to a z06, i could also say that a sti with a gt35 or gt40r would compete with it.

Sounds like you have a lot to learn.

I like how with a GT30R this person is cliaming to be as fast as the new Z06. Lately in proven power when somene takes their GT turbo kit to the track they run high 12s or in the 13's. So I don't see how a GT30R is going to be in the mid-11's on pump gas like the vette is.

And I wouldn't call an NSX slow either (maybe the older 3.0 ones), the one in my garage ran a 12.87 stock and a 12.5 with intake, headers, exhaust, and tires.

if you don't know, adding water injection with pump gas is almost like using 100 octane. So you will basically have the horsepower from 100 octane but you only used our pump gas(91 octane)

i have a cousin that has an 05 nsx and we race all the time. i feel sorry that he bought that car for so much and gets dusted.....i know i would but performance is all that i'm worried about and not all that attention from people thinking i have a fast car.

if i don't run a mid-low 11's, i would be ashamed that i wasted all this time and money and not be able to drive what i own. But that's not going to happen to me. i haven't been able to time my car because there is always something being added to the performance. it's only when i know i'm done is when i'll have a time slip which should be shortly. hopefully race season is still on. :)

Why did you go with the GT30 over the 8cm/3in green/SZ49?

Sounds like you have a lot to learn.

hey i'm not the one that bought an nsx

sounds like you have some learning to do

People really under estimate the tires these vettes have underneith them. 245s in the front ....stock. 285s in the rear ..........stock. They will surely stay with any STI in the twisties. They only fault is when the road starts getting rough with lots of elevation changes. Long suspension travel shows it's merits there.

But seriously, stop thinking your B.P.U. STI will hang with one of these anywhere. This is another league. What other car do you know of with Ti con rods and a dry sump at $65K?....stock?

Why did you go with the GT30 over the 8cm/3in green/SZ49?

spool up! i had a green but not 3 inch and who's going to find a 8cm housing. The green won't reach the hp level of a gt30 and as far as the red they are neck and neck but i bought into the hype of a rotated mount turbo. using a gt30 or a red are almost identical hp the only difference would be the spool up of a gt30 which is supposed to be faster from being rotated mount tubo.

why is it hard for people on this thread to believe that an sti can keep up with a z06 going up to 160mph?

It cannot believe that a new Z06 is being compared with an STi here. It just amazes me.

IBthez06isasupercarforunder100k

I love the STi but, come on.

Because you're one fry short of a happy meal that's why. Your car probably gets 12mpg and runs like garbage compared to a decent mpg stock exhaust 93 octane Z06. Take your Subaru glasses off and stop comparing your turbo econobox to this beast.

People really under estimate the tires these vettes have underneith them. 245s in the front ....stock. 285s in the rear ..........stock. They will surely stay with any STI in the twisties. They only fault is when the road starts getting rough with lots of elevation changes. Long suspension travel shows it's merits there.

But seriously, stop thinking your B.P.U. STI will hang with one of these anywhere. This is another league. What other car do you know of with Ti con rods and a dry sump at $65K?....stock?
Even more than that: front, P275/35ZR18, Extended Mobility, Eagle F1 Supercar
rear, P325/30ZR19, Extended Mobility, Eagle F1 Supercar
14" brakes 6 piston calipers in front

plus 27mpg hwy:D

Whats your trap speed on your 11 second pass? You'd need 500+ whp to keep up on a roll. The Vette has better aero than you and might even be lighter.

You knock people that spend so much money on a car when you can get one cheaper. You think you're STi motor will last anywhere near as long as the STOCK motor in a Z06? Did you get a warranty with yours? Not saying your car isn't great, but to say its not worth the money??? Go drive a 911 TT and you will have no question about where all the extra money went...

I'd say yes, 450+ whp on pump gas from the factory offers a significant advantage over your car, which is boosted within a coupe inches of its life.

If your motor puts down 500+ whp, traps 125-127 in the 1/4, and will run for 100k miles, on pump gas, hauling your wife around, you'd have an argument.

And stop bragging about the NSX, last time I checked, they barely broke in the 13's. Did they even sell one here in 2005???

hey i'm not the one that bought an nsx

sounds like you have some learning to do

are you 17?18 yrs old?

As far as STi hanging with the vette. I know in the 1/4 mile def can hang with his 11.3@125.

Just thought I'd throw some gas on the fire ;)

As far as the GT30 keeping up with a red, I'm surprised to hear that. I have a graph that def made and it shows the REd and SC-61 making similar power to the GT35. I figured the GT30 wouldn't compete against the GT35. No, I don't know what housing was on the GT35 in the graph.

People really under estimate the tires these vettes have underneith them. 245s in the front ....stock. 285s in the rear ..........stock. They will surely stay with any STI in the twisties. They only fault is when the road starts getting rough with lots of elevation changes. Long suspension travel shows it's merits there.

But seriously, stop thinking your B.P.U. STI will hang with one of these anywhere. This is another league. What other car do you know of with Ti con rods and a dry sump at $65K?....stock?
+1, sounds like he still has a lot to learn about cars. And the z06 has 12 inch 325/30ZR19 tires in the rear.

I beat a new Z06 with my near stock FXT. It was on the truck being delivered to the dealer.

Whats your trap speed on your 11 second pass? You'd need 500+ whp to keep up on a roll. The Vette has better aero than you and might even be lighter.

You knock people that spend so much money on a car when you can get one cheaper. You think you're STi motor will last anywhere near as long as the STOCK motor in a Z06? Did you get a warranty with yours? Not saying your car isn't great, but to say its not worth the money??? Go drive a 911 TT and you will have no question about where all the extra money went...

I'd say yes, 450+ whp on pump gas from the factory offers a significant advantage over your car, which is boosted within a coupe inches of its life.

If your motor puts down 500+ whp, traps 125-127 in the 1/4, and will run for 100k miles, on pump gas, hauling your wife around, you'd have an argument.

And stop bragging about the NSX, last time I checked, they barely broke in the 13's. Did they even sell one here in 2005???

1)like i said before my car is still having more parts added to it so i haven't had a chance to time it but how are you going to say that 450whp with AWD won't get me a time as quick as the vette. i know for sure that the z06 can get me but only after 150mph.
2)who cares if my block will last 100k miles although it is bullet proof and not just forged pistons and my warranty went out the window when i got my second oil change from them seeing all of my mods which is just the reason i'd buy a z06 if i had the money. but i still say a sti can hang in acceleration and speed.
3)we're talking about a z06 and not a 911TT. remember apples to oranges.
4)an sti can put down 500whp on pump on the right dyno. if we're lucky you can have a stock z06 dynoed and have my car dynoed right after and you'll see that they will be similar
5) an sti can haul 5 wifes at the same time
6)i could care less if i smoke an nsx i would be more ashamed if i didn't

and i still think an modded sti can hang with a stock z06 :)

+1, sounds like he still has a lot to learn about cars. And the z06 has 12 inch 325/30ZR19 tires in the rear.

how are you going to be on the bashing bandwagon when you started this thread saying you are trying to fix up your sti to be as fast as a vette?

I was just reading some threads and found a z06 dyno, as my original mark for performance for mods for my sti was c5 z06 performance, this significantly raises the bar. This z06 had been tuned. This is a stock car.

why do you think hondas are so popular; its because you can fix them up to be as fast as subarus and evos.

this is the same as evos and sti's being fixed up to be as fast as vette's, amg, porsche, etc.

who ever doesn't think that an sti can't hang in acceleration with a z06 needs to get their heads out of.............. :) or maybe they're just not interested or don't know how to make a subaru as quick as a z06. they just see a z06 and say "wow i can only feel that performance if i were to spend 70 grand, my sti will never be like a z06 because i only spent 30 grand on my sti. boo hoo hoo."

pleeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaase.

you just don't know the hp market for a wrx. if you did some research a z06 wouldn't be so impressive.

i've heard of chevy coming out with a supercharged version of a z06 with an msrp of 120k. if this is true i won't even try to fix up my sti. :( now that's big horsepower right fresh out the showroom door baby!

my sti will do that on pump gas!

GT30r kit fuel pumps
heads/cams injectors 850cc
throttle body water injection kit
headers perrin FMIC
exhaust

sti plus upgrades $43,000
06 zo6 $70,000 msrp

not bad for an sti :)
your trap speed is in 125 range?

your trap speed is in 125 range?

i don't think so but i know the times will be similar with a z06.

Did anybody notice that this car hasn't even made it to the track yet? Do a search, man. There are plenty of 400+hp STi's that can't get below mid-12's. Maybe you should quit adding modifications to the car and take it to the track, just to shut up the critics?



if you don't know, adding water injection with pump gas is almost like using 100 octane. So you will basically have the horsepower from 100 octane but you only used our pump gas(91 octane)

i have a cousin that has an 05 nsx and we race all the time. i feel sorry that he bought that car for so much and gets dusted.....i know i would but performance is all that i'm worried about and not all that attention from people thinking i have a fast car.

if i don't run a mid-low 11's, i would be ashamed that i wasted all this time and money and not be able to drive what i own. But that's not going to happen to me. i haven't been able to time my car because there is always something being added to the performance. it's only when i know i'm done is when i'll have a time slip which should be shortly. hopefully race season is still on. :)

1)... how are you going to say that 450whp with AWD won't get me a time as quick as the vette.


This is the easy one. :) To have 450whp you need a big a$$ turbo that takes time to spool up, so from a dead stop a bigger displasement car, or a car with a small turbo will likely have a better 60' time, and your awd won't help you much.

Unless of course you have a twin-turbo setup ;)

This is the easy one. :) To have 450whp you need a big a$$ turbo that takes time to spool up, so from a dead stop a bigger displasement car, or a car with a small turbo will likely have a better 60' time, and your awd won't help you much.

Unless of course you have a twin-turbo setup ;)

Suuuuuuuuuuuuure.

are you 17?18 yrs old?

just turned 16 :lol: this is my first car

Did anybody notice that this car hasn't even made it to the track yet? Do a search, man. There are plenty of 400+hp STi's that can't get below mid-12's. Maybe you should quit adding modifications to the car and take it to the track, just to shut up the critics?



+1 for that

i'll time my sti when i'm good and ready and not because people tell me to.

there is no question that my set up now can get me a time as good as a z06

but for those that are interested i just bought a gt35 and will get a c16 tune :devil:

now i know a stock z06 won't be able to F... with that but we're comparing STREET perfomance and not drag racing set ups here.

i'll time my sti when i'm good and ready and not because people tell me to.

there is no question that my set up now can get me a time as good as a z06

but for those that are interested i just bought a gt35 and will get a c16 tune :devil:

now i know a stock z06 won't be able to F... with that but we're comparing STREET perfomance and not drag racing set ups here.

I'm just curious, have you ever been at a drag strip at all? The reason I'm asking is because it is hard to believe that somebody who already raced his car does a considerable upgrade and won’t go back to the track to enjoy/feel/see the difference.

And that's why comparing prices modded vs. stock is ricer math. A 500hp STI is no Z06, just like a 2.5RS with a turbo kit is not an STI.

I'm just curious, have you ever been at a drag strip at all? The reason I'm asking is because it is hard to believe that somebody who already raced his car does a considerable upgrade and won’t go back to the track to see the difference.

i don't see my set up as something i've never seen before so i'm not that interested to seeing what it'll do. i have been drag racing for a couple of years but i'm not that into it. i go more to underground drags and freeway pulls.

And that's why comparing prices modded vs. stock is ricer math. A 500hp STI is no Z06, just like a 2.5RS with a turbo kit is not an STI.

yeah but we all compare cars to the hottest ***** such as evos, sti's, z06, s2000, m3, etc. don't we?

hey i'm not the one that bought an nsx

sounds like you have some learning to do

Go to the track before you claim these things. I bet your in the high 12's. And I own both an NSX and an STi. The NSX is faster from any speed. And on the track, the NSX is just a much better car.

So go to the track and tell us how you run mid-11's.

I dont know why you guys are bashing this guy because he said an sti can be built to hang with a z06. Its not like hes making a false statement, sure the sti will never be as nice as a z06 or a pure sports car but with the right amount of money you can make anything fast. Havent you guys seen vids of turbo civics owning high horsepower supras and vipers. Also you guys are bashing STI owners with upgraded turbos not being able to run more than mid 12s 1/4 miles. Do you honestly think ever z06 owner is gonna run a mid 11's 1/4??? I gurantee more than 3/4 of z06 owners cant run a mid 11's 1/4.

my dad can beat up your dad.

1)like i said before my car is still having more parts added to it so i haven't had a chance to time it but how are you going to say that 450whp with AWD won't get me a time as quick as the vette. i know for sure that the z06 can get me but only after 150mph.
2)who cares if my block will last 100k miles although it is bullet proof and not just forged pistons and my warranty went out the window when i got my second oil change from them seeing all of my mods which is just the reason i'd buy a z06 if i had the money. but i still say a sti can hang in acceleration and speed.
3)we're talking about a z06 and not a 911TT. remember apples to oranges.
4)an sti can put down 500whp on pump on the right dyno. if we're lucky you can have a stock z06 dynoed and have my car dynoed right after and you'll see that they will be similar
5) an sti can haul 5 wifes at the same time
6)i could care less if i smoke an nsx i would be more ashamed if i didn't

and i still think an modded sti can hang with a stock z06 :)

good god please stop talking, you can mod ANY car to be fast in a straight line..the z06 is still a better performance car than yours.

good god please stop talking, you can mod ANY car to be fast in a straight line..the z06 is still a better performance car than yours.

If his argument was valid, then the SRT-4 would be the greatest sports car in the world.

i'll time my sti when i'm good and ready and not because people tell me to.

there is no question that my set up now can get me a time as good as a z06

but for those that are interested i just bought a gt35 and will get a c16 tune :devil:

now i know a stock z06 won't be able to F... with that but we're comparing STREET perfomance and not drag racing set ups here.

There are A LOT of people who have thought the same way you do... and they run 12s.

If the GT30 was good enough to get 500 whp, why get a GT35R? Odds are you'll be slower with the GT35R. Maybe from roll you'll be quicker... but down the quarter that bigger turbo is gonna be MUCH harder to get a better time from.

The FPred is right there with a GT35R, not a GT30. I have the plots to prove that.

At any rate, I am actually trapping 125 mph.... and its on race gas, and I know I'd give a new Z06 a good run... but its gonna pull me. To BEAT one your gonna need 500+

Its not like your gonna find one to do a roll on with... your motor will be done well before that.

def

exactly.

either run the car and post the slip, or stop arguing the point.

my sti will do that on pump gas!

GT30r kit fuel pumps
heads/cams injectors 850cc
throttle body water injection kit
headers perrin FMIC
exhaust

sti plus upgrades $43,000
06 zo6 $70,000 msrp

not bad for an sti :)

Yes, but what will happen in the twisties? ;)

Sure, you can make a STI as powerful as a stock Z06 by spending some arbitrary amount of money. You'll also get half the gas mileage of a Z06, your long-term reliability will suck balls, you'll have no warranty and you'll suffer from comical levels of turbo lag. And you'll still lose most of the time, because your torque curve will be so much worse.

The Z06 is so awesome in part because you've got 505 HP with what is, fundamentally, a tremendously simple and very lightly-stressed engine. That thing will probably be making 505 HP when cockroaches take over the Earth. The exact OPPOSITE of a 4-banger running monstrous boost levels, alky injection, nitrous, whatever you need to get 200 HP/liter. Every time a car magazine like C&D runs a "supertuner compro," half the aftermarket turbo setups blow up.

Consider also that in any kind of real-world scenario, a 4-banger running massive boost from a huge turbo is going to get owned by a massive V-8 with a colossal flat torque curve 99% of the time. Peak power is NOT the whole story.

I dont know why you guys are bashing this guy because he said an sti can be built to hang with a z06. Its not like hes making a false statement, sure the sti will never be as nice as a z06 or a pure sports car but with the right amount of money you can make anything fast. Havent you guys seen vids of turbo civics owning high horsepower supras and vipers. Also you guys are bashing STI owners with upgraded turbos not being able to run more than mid 12s 1/4 miles. Do you honestly think ever z06 owner is gonna run a mid 11's 1/4??? I gurantee more than 3/4 of z06 owners cant run a mid 11's 1/4.


quote from corvette forum

But in the past few weeks Ive read of 4 different tracks with real owners driving them.

The results were all 11.6-11.9 at 123-126.8 mph...

When I saw these actual owner numbers somthing happened to me..

First I was awe struck to know that a PRODUCTION CORVETTE could really run these numbers.

my sti will do that on pump gas!

GT30r kit fuel pumps
heads/cams injectors 850cc
throttle body water injection kit
headers perrin FMIC
exhaust

sti plus upgrades $43,000
06 zo6 $70,000 msrp

not bad for an sti :)
I completely understand your thought process on this. I once compared my heavily modified Grand Prix GTP to a BMW M5(Bonehead move, the boards ate me alive). I do hope you can sit back and see the flaw in this rationalization tho. Your STi, although sick in it's own regard, isn't even in the same league as that Vette. FACTORY 11.'s with reliabilty and a warranty.... not to mention your falling back on compariong a HEAVILY modified car vs. a bone stock one. NO disrespect, but that's kinda a ricer move (not calling YOU a ricer). The C6 Z06 is the nasty damn car America has ever mass produced in my opinion. This isn't the Ford 40, no, but it IS a car we'll actually see on the road. We'll all get our shots on this car. It's a reasonable street car with supercar performance. Not to mention, I'd have to think that anything other than a roll run, your ass is his.... bone stock.

For the $43k you have in your STI, you could have had a nice used Z06 and enough money for some mods. It doesn't matter how much money you spend on making your STI fast; in the end, you still have an econo-box racer.

I think we are all wrong here...this dude can build a 500whp Subaru in 1 day, so what do we know?:

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=766834&page=2&pp=25

^^^ haha, that's funny!

Lets see that ZO6 in the mud! Wait... it wasnt made for that. Thats right! lets not compare the two. Both great cars and I would have both anyday.

why do you think hondas are so popular; its because you can fix them up to be as fast as subarus and evos.


heh people have been modding Hondas before the EVO or STi made to our shores. I've seen plenty of Hondas as fast as vettes/vipers/AMGs/Porsches/etc.

Sure, you can make a STI as powerful as a stock Z06 by spending some arbitrary amount of money. You'll also get half the gas mileage of a Z06, your long-term reliability will suck balls, you'll have no warranty and you'll suffer from comical levels of turbo lag. And you'll still lose most of the time, because your torque curve will be so much worse.

The Z06 is so awesome in part because you've got 505 HP with what is, fundamentally, a tremendously simple and very lightly-stressed engine. That thing will probably be making 505 HP when cockroaches take over the Earth. The exact OPPOSITE of a 4-banger running monstrous boost levels, alky injection, nitrous, whatever you need to get 200 HP/liter. Every time a car magazine like C&D runs a "supertuner compro," half the aftermarket turbo setups blow up.

Consider also that in any kind of real-world scenario, a 4-banger running massive boost from a huge turbo is going to get owned by a massive V-8 with a colossal flat torque curve 99% of the time. Peak power is NOT the whole story.

Grow good ol' tomaters and homemade wine, eh?

All this depends what the engine is in, chief. Ever heard of the Ariel Atom? Bing bong, look at that four banger go. And it will destroy a Z06.

An STI will dyno 500 whp on pump gas??? Where have you seen this? I would love to meet this fictional guy who probably lives in a place called fantasy land. Sorry but your GT30-R will in no way keep up with a new Z06, period. Trust me I know. My WRX was lighter than your STI and I didn't have to shift as much as you do. I did not come near an 11.5@125. Even your new GT35-R will not do the trick unless you run 25+ psi and C16...not pump gas. But I guarantee you, he will still trap higher than you do. You seriously think that the new Z won't be able to touch you until 150+ mph??? C'mon now, lets get realistic here. Let's see your dyno sheet and your time slips...oh wait, I forgot that everything you've said is pure speculation. Watch that video closely, that Z goes through the 1/4 mile marker at 125 mph and he is still in third gear! What gear are you in at that speed?

All I'm saying is that with your mods and some of the things you've said have really showed your noobness. Can an STI be made to be faster than the new Z? Of course it can, just not with your mods and claims. I'll admit, I'm jealous too of the new Z, I love that freakin' car. I'll still be able to beat them in stock form....but as soon as they start doing MINIMAL mods, they will be just as fast if not faster than me now. All they need to do is a nice cam, headers, exhaust, CAI, and a tune and they will be 550-600 rwhp! On pump gas with those mods and a set of DR's or slicks, I wouldn't be a bit surprised to see some guys break into the 9's next summer. Gotta give respect to a fast car.

Grow good ol' tomaters and homemade wine, eh?

All this depends what the engine is in, chief. Ever heard of the Ariel Atom? Bing bong, look at that four banger go. And it will destroy a Z06.

thats true only to a point though. In the end, there is no replacement for displacement. Especially when it comes to boost. Take two engines that are built for handling boost for example: one is a four cylinder, and one is a V8. Boost each engine with 15 psi. The amount of power you get out of the V8 will greatly increase over the four cylinder. Just ask Gale Banks :lol: Thats why he has specialized in turbocharging V8's and diesels for so many years.

To help give a real-world experience with a good guesstimate of power between the two: My old GT30-R setup on my WRX would probably make around 280 whp on 15 psi. There is a local company here around Chicago that has already started making a single turbo kit for the '03-'04 Cobras. Preliminary tests indicate that at 15 psi using their single 88mm turbo, the car will dyno 750+ rwhp on pump gas. Thats a huge difference! Now I know that the engines are different in more than one way, but at least you get the idea.

heh people have been modding Hondas before the EVO or STi made to our shores. I've seen plenty of Hondas as fast as vettes/vipers/AMGs/Porsches/etc.

one at my track (Integra) on pump gas runs 11s @ 130. Simply an H22 with pistons and big honking turbo and supporting mods.

def

first >>
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showpost.php?p=11080033&postcount=17

than >>
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?p=11088908#post11088908

:rolleyes: :huh:

Sure, you can make a STI as powerful as a stock Z06 by spending some arbitrary amount of money. You'll also get half the gas mileage of a Z06, your long-term reliability will suck balls, you'll have no warranty and you'll suffer from comical levels of turbo lag. And you'll still lose most of the time, because your torque curve will be so much worse.

The Z06 is so awesome in part because you've got 505 HP with what is, fundamentally, a tremendously simple and very lightly-stressed engine. That thing will probably be making 505 HP when cockroaches take over the Earth. The exact OPPOSITE of a 4-banger running monstrous boost levels, alky injection, nitrous, whatever you need to get 200 HP/liter. Every time a car magazine like C&D runs a "supertuner compro," half the aftermarket turbo setups blow up.

Consider also that in any kind of real-world scenario, a 4-banger running massive boost from a huge turbo is going to get owned by a massive V-8 with a colossal flat torque curve 99% of the time. Peak power is NOT the whole story.

Grow good ol' tomaters and homemade wine, eh?

All this depends what the engine is in, chief. Ever heard of the Ariel Atom? Bing bong, look at that four banger go. And it will destroy a Z06.

dog boxes are EASY to drive on the street. and the times are only as awesome as the driver... hehehe ;)

def

how bout posting some pictures of this GT30'd soon-to-be GT35R ride of yours my_sti_1?

Consider also that in any kind of real-world scenario, a 4-banger running massive boost from a huge turbo is going to get owned by a massive V-8 with a colossal flat torque curve 99% of the time. Peak power is NOT the whole story.

Your right, peak power isn't the whole story... its just 95% of it.

def

one at my track (Integra) on pump gas runs 11s @ 130. Simply an H22 with pistons and big honking turbo and supporting mods.

def

Yeah it's crazy. Video of a little hatch with a swapped motor and "race turbo" beating an older Viper.

Here's a dyno thread on www.z06vette.com about a stock C6 Z06 going head-to-head with a stock Viper SRT-10:

http://www.z06vette.com/forums/showthread.php?t=91021

Results:

1st pull -
Viper 428Rwhp 453 Rwtq
Z06 446Rwhp 418Rwtq

2nd pull -
Viper 453Rwhp 460Rwtq (Viper guy got out his laptop and did a custom tune! :lol: )
Z06 453Rwhp 431Rwtq

Here's the Z06's dyno graph from the first pull (link is on the 2nd page):

http://www.maverick-concepts.com/not_my_vette/data/media/1/trackmasters.JPG

I owned an older Viper RT/10. They lack a great deal of comfort and convenience, but their ride and handling has always been excellent.

In the end, there is no replacement for displacement.

sure there is...

you just have to add lightness.


;)

i think its great to hear everyone's knowledge of performance. it's just too bad that some can't understand the logic of comparing a modded sti to a SUPER car but then those same people won't ever get the feeling of their car actually hanging with a super car even though it was only on the freeway or track in a straight line going up to 150mph.

i have dyno sheets of my set up but i really disagree with what dyno sheets do for people to understand the truth. dynos read different in curves and numbers. the only way to really tell precisely is to have my sti and a z06 dynoed at the same time on the same dyno. if a z06 were to have their car dynoed i would gladly go to the same place and have my car dynoed being local.

as far as time slips and going to the track, my driving skills got me a high 1.6 60' on my old set up. this is the hardest to get in a quarter mile and if i could get this from my set up then the rest should follow. when i do run i don't plan on running anything higher than a 11.9 and if i can get a perfect one down i'll try for a 11.6. this is very realistic in my eyes and i feel confident in myself and my sti to get this time.

i actually was serious enough to get a z06 but settled for the sti with cheap mods and not worrying about monthly payments that i would get from a z06. that z06 package is the affordable super car just like an sti is an affordable performance car.

good talking to yall

michael.

I have spent enough on my STI to buy a Z06...at this point i WISH i would of.

When you start taking a STI and try to go to the performance level of the Z06 then @ that point you loss your bang for the buck.

When you have to start building motor,...portin heads...installin cams, installin $1500 clutches all this adds up...plus a full warranty and no worries with a Z06.

Z06 is what 62-65k?
A STI with Z06 like straightline power...worse handling..lower top speed ...will cost not much less.

Resale on the Z06... :)
Resale on the STI :(

With that said anybody wana buy my 67k subaru? :lol:

BTW not like it matters,...you will get laid alot more in the Vette. ;)

sure there is...

you just have to add lightness.


;)

Sorry, only to an extent. ;) Take a drag Civic with a built 4 cylinder and a huge nasty turbo making 1,800 fwhp and weighing in at about 1,200 lbs. (Thats pretty damn light!) And line that up next to a top fuel dragster making 7,000 horsepower with a V8 and weighing in at 2,175 lbs. The Civic is significantly lighter, but which car would win that race on the drag strip? I think we all know the answer to that one. I see what you are saying about lighter weight....weight is always a contributing factor but not when you are given a scenario like the one above. There just is no replacement for displacement. In the world of boosted motors, the bigger they are, the more power can come out of them. Thats why I'm excited to see what the guys end up doing with that built H6 in the other thread. I hope they make a monster out of that thing. :devil:

Here's a dyno thread on www.z06vette.com about a stock C6 Z06 going head-to-head with a stock Viper SRT-10:

http://www.z06vette.com/forums/showthread.php?t=91021

Results:

1st pull -
Viper 428Rwhp 453 Rwtq
Z06 446Rwhp 418Rwtq

2nd pull -
Viper 453Rwhp 460Rwtq (Viper guy got out his laptop and did a custom tune! :lol: )
Z06 453Rwhp 431Rwtq

Here's the Z06's dyno graph from the first pull (link is on the 2nd page):


Two sides to every story: http://vca2.viperclub.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=UBB21&Number=614788&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1
I wish they had abone stock viper to compare it to. I wonder if this viper owner is the same guy who "lost" to the black AMS EVO?

Two sides to every story: http://vca2.viperclub.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=UBB21&Number=614788&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1
I wish they had abone stock viper to compare it to. I wonder if this viper owner is the same guy who "lost" to the black AMS EVO?
Good find! Those are some amazing numbers from two relatively accessible supercars! :cool:

http://gallery.viperclub.org/data/500/8415Dynosheet-med.jpg

-Chike

i think its great to hear everyone's knowledge of performance. it's just too bad that some can't understand the logic of comparing a modded sti to a SUPER car but then those same people won't ever get the feeling of their car actually hanging with a super car even though it was only on the freeway or track in a straight line going up to 150mph.

i have dyno sheets of my set up but i really disagree with what dyno sheets do for people to understand the truth. dynos read different in curves and numbers. the only way to really tell precisely is to have my sti and a z06 dynoed at the same time on the same dyno. if a z06 were to have their car dynoed i would gladly go to the same place and have my car dynoed being local.

as far as time slips and going to the track, my driving skills got me a high 1.6 60' on my old set up. this is the hardest to get in a quarter mile and if i could get this from my set up then the rest should follow. when i do run i don't plan on running anything higher than a 11.9 and if i can get a perfect one down i'll try for a 11.6. this is very realistic in my eyes and i feel confident in myself and my sti to get this time.

i actually was serious enough to get a z06 but settled for the sti with cheap mods and not worrying about monthly payments that i would get from a z06. that z06 package is the affordable super car just like an sti is an affordable performance car.

good talking to yall

michael.

Post your dyno and pics of the car.

Post your dyno and pics of the car.
Michael has a pretty mean STI....built motor along with a rotated turbo setup.

I don't know if he has a pump gas tune...but on 100 octane his car should have enough power for mid to low 11's.

I like the new corvettes, still has leaf springs and is a POS though.

Yea how come know one talks about the black ams evo. I saw a video of that car beating a 600rwhp viper or corvette not sure which one. That thing was absolutley sick, the acceleration was just god like. The funny thing was the faster they were going it seemed like the viper or corvetter was catching up then it just ended up falling back.

u can get 2 year old Z06's for mid 30's so it lost 30k in 2 years and hardly any miles not very good resale.

But the C6 Z06 is amazing and is more than a base model with suspension upgrades and a bigger motor it's a completely different chassis made of carbon fiber aluminum and magnesium.

It's an incredible deal for 70k untouchable in bang for your buck


But u could never touch one for 70k they're selling for six figures

But u could never touch one for 70k they're selling for six figures
Not true. Of friend of mine's pops just got about 3 weeks ago for mid 70's. He did have it on pre-order for about 7months though if that makes a difference. Pops took me for a ride in the canyons and HOLY $HIT!!! The thing is wicked fast and pulls extremely hard all the way up. Also, it stops like you're hitting a brick wall and handeled the canyons better than my car does with the RA-1's! Its an incredible car for the money and all this talk from you guys about how a modded sti can beat the car is very funny. You can make a Yugo beat it, but guess what, at the end of the day the new vette will last 10 times longer and be 10 times more reliable than any built 4 cyl will ever be at that level. Truth hurts, but there is no replacement for ..... :p Just think of what a mildly modded z06 will do to a heavily modded sti??? And get over it, the new vette will outhandle a subaru in about 90% of real world scenarios (excluding rain, snow, tidal waves and tsunamis)

yea even on EBAY you can snag one in the 70's

an older one was def. another choice before i bought my wrx, and seeing these numbers and its performance stock ( which is very inpressive) still makes me happy that i only spent half of what this costs

The new Z06 has a floorboard made of layers of carbon fiber and balsa wood. The CG is around 8" lower than an STI, and the car is over 200lbs lighter. Do you really think the STI's wonky camber curves can compete with proper sports car suspension pulling 20% higher Gs?

u can get 2 year old Z06's for mid 30's so it lost 30k in 2 years and hardly any miles not very good resale.



Your math is off. The C5 Z06s sold new for mid to high 40s if you shopped around a little. There was a left-over new 02 at a local dealer going for $38k a few years back.

The new Z06 has a floorboard made of layers of carbon fiber and balsa wood. The CG is around 8" lower than an STI, and the car is over 200lbs lighter. Do you really think the STI's wonky camber curves can compete with proper sports car suspension pulling 20% higher Gs?

What he says is true. The STI has McPherson strut suspension, which do not handle camber changes. There's a reason you don't see them on serious sports cars, expensive touring cars, or most forms of competition. Even Honda is switching to uneven length a-frames.

Thats why I'm excited to see what the guys end up doing with that built H6 in the other thread. I hope they make a monster out of that thing. :devil:

He's already got $90k stuck in that thing. What's the point? My $38k Chevelle will beat it or any other Subaru you care to find.

Yea how come know one talks about the black ams evo. I saw a video of that car beating a 600rwhp viper or corvette not sure which one. That thing was absolutley sick, the acceleration was just god like. The funny thing was the faster they were going it seemed like the viper or corvetter was catching up then it just ended up falling back.

Funny thing is he's getting a huge GT42 installed at AMS for more power ;)

couple of points i'd like to make:

performance wise, sure, the dedicated two seat sports car will be very hard, if not impossible, to beat.

however, i can go quite fast with three other people in the car, OR with an 80 gallon water heater in the back, OR with 300 lbs. of 2x12" planks on the roof, OR with 500 4' pickets for a fence in the back, OR with a 20' aluminum extension ladder strapped to the roof... (all things i've done).

and i can do it in 8" of snow. :devil:

different cars, different purposes, different utility. for where i live (NE), and for what i do (year-round daily drive, go skiing during blizzards, use it like a truck, etc) the vette is just not practical. hell, you can't even put a baby seat in the car.

however, if what you want is a fast two seat road car, it's still got the best bang/buck ratio in the world.

jm2c
ken

He's already got $90k stuck in that thing. What's the point? My $38k Chevelle will beat it or any other Subaru you care to find.

Calm down son, you're barking up the wrong tree. Why don't you take two minutes and actually try reading some of my previous posts in this thread to see what my opinion on the subject is. Some people are actually enthusiasts here when it comes to making anything go fast. Thats why I'm interested in seeing what this built H6 can do. I don't know of anyone else thats tried doing it. Its a bigger motor than the standard boxer 4 that we are all used to seeing and I want to see how far they can push it. What kind of motor setup are you running on the Chevelle and how much power is it putting down? Believe me, I'm not doubting its a fast car I'm just curious as to the setup you went with.

^^^^
Sorry, didn't mean to get excited. I've been building and racing cars for almost 50 years. If there's one lesson I've learned and will preach it's "Don't experiment with unproven technology unless you have a lot of time, money and resources".

I've posted pictures of the Chevelle here, before. It's a 67, with aluminum interior, rollcage, tubs, narrowed 12 bolt, etc, etc. It weighs 2800lbs. Engine is a 468 BB, BDS 8-71 blower, dual 1100 Holleys. Tranny is a beefed TH 350 with 2400 stall converter. In street driving tune, running 5 psi, it dynos about 800whp. We haven't dynoed it in racing tune and have not run it with more than 11psi. The engine could handle a lot more boost, but our nerves couldn't.

what it run? 8s?

def

C6 Z06 pwns you.
3100lbs - sti 3200
505hp - sti 300
double wishbones all around - sti struts
low cg - sti high
wide - sti narrow
close to 50/50 weight distro - sti, front heavy
engine behind front wheel cetner line - sti not
no lag - sti lag

Making an STI have the same powerband as the c6 z06 would be near impossible. Making an STI have hte same powerband as a c6 z06 and still survive a trackday fun, probably *is* impossible.

Now you could bolt up a custom double wishbone suspension somehow probably, and chop it up enough to bring the cg down, but I doubt it.

=)

<shaking head> I can't believe some of you folks are comparing the STI to the new Z06.

<shaking head> I can't believe some of you folks are comparing the STI to the new Z06.

People would compair their favorite car to a hampster if given half the chance.

^^^^
Sorry, didn't mean to get excited. I've been building and racing cars for almost 50 years. If there's one lesson I've learned and will preach it's "Don't experiment with unproven technology unless you have a lot of time, money and resources".

I've posted pictures of the Chevelle here, before. It's a 67, with aluminum interior, rollcage, tubs, narrowed 12 bolt, etc, etc. It weighs 2800lbs. Engine is a 468 BB, BDS 8-71 blower, dual 1100 Holleys. Tranny is a beefed TH 350 with 2400 stall converter. In street driving tune, running 5 psi, it dynos about 800whp. We haven't dynoed it in racing tune and have not run it with more than 11psi. The engine could handle a lot more boost, but our nerves couldn't.

Sounds like one hell of a mean car. I was so close to buying one a few weeks ago. It was a '70 SS that just had all the body work done and was primered. There was no motor and trans which is what I wanted. It was selling for only about $3,500 and the car was local. I was trying to find out if GM Performance had lower comp pistons for their new 572 motor that they sell. I was planning on having a custom twin turbo kit built. But they never got back to me with my questions so I didn't end up buying the car.

The 502 crate motor we have for our Willys came ready for a blower with good 8.5 pistons. I think the bigger ones are meant to be run NA, though. I'd love to talk more about our project cars, but I don't want to hi-jack the thread.

Children, get real, STI ain't ever going to beat a C6 Z06

Neither one can beat one of these. Even a twin turbo'ed Lingenfelter with a 200mph head start. :lol:


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One Top Fuel dragster 500 cubic inch Hemi engine makes more horsepower than the first 4 rows at the Daytona 500.

Under full throttle, a dragster engine consumes 11/2 gallons of nitromethane per second; a fully loaded 747 consumes jet fuel at the same rate with 25% less energy being produced.

A stock Dodge Hemi V8 engine cannot produce enough power to drive the dragsters massive supercharger.

With 3000 CFM of air being rammed in by the supercharger on overdrive, the fuel mixture
is compressed into a near-solid form before ignition.

Cylinders run on the verge of hydraulic lock at full throttle.

At the stoichiometric 1.7:1 air/fuel mixture for nitromethane the flame front temperature measures 7050 degrees F.

Nitromethane burns yellow. The spectacular white flame seen above the stacks at night
is raw burning hydrogen, dissociated from atmospheric water vapor by the searing exhaust gases.

Dual magnetos supply 44 amps to each spark plug. This is the output of an arc welder in each cylinder.

Spark plug electrodes are totally consumed during a pass. After 1/2 way, the engine is dieseling from compression plus the glow of exhaust valves at 1400 degrees F. The engine can only be shut down by cutting the fuel flow.

If spark momentarily fails early in the run, unburned nitro builds up in the affected cylinders and then explodes with sufficient force to blow the cylinder heads off the block in pieces or split the block in half.

In order to exceed 300 mph in 4.5 seconds dragsters must accelerate an average of over 4G's. In order to reach 200 mph well before half-track, the launch acceleration approaches 8G's.

Dragsters reach over 300 miles per hour before you have completed reading this sentence.

Top Fuel Engines turn approximately 540 revolutions from light to light!

Including the burnout the engine must only survive 900 revolutions under load.

The redline is actually quite high at 9500rpm.

The Bottom Line; Assuming all the equipment is paid off, the crew worked for free, and for once NOTHING BLOWS UP, each run costs an estimated US$ 1,000.00 per second.

The current Top Fuel dragster elapsed time record is 4.441 seconds for the quarter mile (10/05/03, Tony Schumacher).

The top speed record is 333.00 mph. (533km/h) as measured over the last 66' of the run (09/28/03 Doug Kalitta).

Putting all of this into perspective:
You are driving the average $140,000 Lingenfelter "twin-turbo" powered Corvette Z06. Over a mile up the road, a Top Fuel dragster is staged and ready to launch down a quarter mile strip as you pass. You have the advantage of a flying start. You run the 'Vette hard up through the gears and blast across the starting line and past the dragster at an honest 200 mph. The 'tree' goes green for both of you at that moment. <The dragster launches and starts after you. You keep your foot down hard, but you hear an incredibly brutal whine that sears your eardrums and within 3 seconds the dragster catches and passes you. He beats you to the finish line, a quarter mile away from where you just passed him. Think about it, from a standing start, the dragster had spotted you 200 mph and not only caught, but nearly blasted you off the road when he passed you within a mere 1320 foot long race course.

That folks ... is acceleration.

http://www.absolutelyfab.blogger.com.br/Corvette.jpg

^^^^
And here I am shooting for 7s. :eek:

Did anyone see the article about the woman dragster driver that was killed in Texas about 6 months ago? She did a blow-over wheelie about 1/2 way down the strip. The car landed right side up facing the starting line, with the wheels still spinning away at full throttle. The car continued backward down the strip and through the lights, turning a 6 second run at over 225mph.

When the car finally ran out of backward momentum, the tires grabbed and it headed back to the starting line. It hit her chase car near the starting line going 250mph, killing her, her son (in the chase car) and the rest of the crew. Both dragster and pace car were thrown hundreds of feet behind the starting line.

The woman's husband and family were in the stands watching. They speculate that she was knocked out by the landing from the wheelie and was unable to shut the engine off.

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that's nuts

Horrible

This thread has been almost as horrible

i cannot stand the bickering. get off your horse. the z06 is a monster. i drive a modded sti and agree it is NO Z06. I had the pleasure of driving one the other day, and if anyone would like to attempt to "take " me... please send me a PM and i can arange for the z06 to destory your subby.

oh and the only person i know that has an sti that can honestly say " yea i can keep up with the new z06" is our very own bruce chapman with his monster.

i cannot stand the bickering. get off your horse. the z06 is a monster. i drive a modded sti and agree it is NO Z06. I had the pleasure of driving one the other day, and if anyone would like to attempt to "take " me... please send me a PM and i can arange for the z06 to destory your subby.

pm sent

http://www.absolutelyfab.blogger.com.br/Corvette.jpg
Is it just me or does this look like barbie's corvette pulled straight out of the package....

pm sent
:lol:

pm sent
now it getting interesting... I want to know the outcome! :devil:
Can somebody record this on video?
Oh, AdamBlitzer, don't forget, the Z must be stock, no mods! :disco:

pm sent

What exactly do you think you're going to do if you ever didn't have a standing start against a car that powerful? You said it yourself, you're not trapping 125+. Therefore, you're keeping up strictly because of your off the line grip and not because your car is as fast. A car that traps 125+ is going to destroy a car on a roll that traps 115 (if you start at 30, you'll get creamed...). You're confusing a quick 60' time with outright speed.

#98
Grow good ol' tomaters and homemade wine, eh?

All this depends what the engine is in, chief. Ever heard of the Ariel Atom? Bing bong, look at that four banger go. And it will destroy a Z06.

#103
Grow good ol' tomaters and homemade wine, eh?

All this depends what the engine is in, chief. Ever heard of the Ariel Atom? Bing bong, look at that four banger go. And it will destroy a Z06.

Act like a douchebag on the forums often? Think your post was so nice, you had to make it twice? :rolleyes:

Seriously, are you brain damaged or something? What the hell are you talking about, and what the hell does it have to do with the modded STI vs. Z06 discussion? We aren't talking about limey poofter go-karts here. :lol:

All I have to say is H-6 then we can all put apples to apples .Oh by the way any one hear of the redline challenge at SEMA do some research I know for a fact it wasnt a Z06.Call Dyno Comp they know who won . A pretty litte sti with bolt ons and a decent tune b#$@%.

i don't know what i trap because i never timed my set up.

i just want to know how long and how fast i'm going before that badd a$$ z06 starts pulling on me. if i could hold him to 135mph i'm a happy camper. after that i'll start signalling into the slower lanes. that is of couse the driver has enough balls to drive to +160mph cause i know i'll be driving that fast......................

sti: $30,000
z06: $70,000
balls to go past 150 mph: priceless :devil:

One retarded and reckless driver dead, priceless.

Maybe that was alittle harsh...

One retarded and reckless driver dead, priceless.

Maybe that was alittle harsh...

yes that was a little harsh! you could have atleast gave the z06 driver a chance.

if your not willing to go past 150mph you defeated a lage portion of the perofrmance of a z06 and a sti.

if the driver of the z06 is not willing to take his car into the realm that it shows its true color you know the main purpose that person bought that car; "they have too much money to spend and needs attention from others to think they're hot s..t"

i would never do anything dangerous like drive that fast on public roads........................................:D

A z06 tops out at 198 mph. So 150mph is probably a walk in the park accompanied by a smooth ride in the z06, while every panel in the sti will be shaking violently.

A z06 is not even in the same league as the sti. The z06 ran a 7:42 sec nurburgring time putting it in supercar status.

It runs low-mid 11's@125ish mph. They pull 1.8 sec 60 foot times too.

It handles 10 times better than an sti.

BTW about the leaf spring suspension, It uses a transverse leaf, which is not a traditional leaf spring. A transverse leaf functions very much like a coil over spring. It is very sophisticated.

Also, people regarding the weight of the motor. The ls7 motor in the z06 weighs about as much as a conventional 4 cylinder. It is very light.

The corvette is not a car that grabs attention. It's a car for people who want the performance of a lamborghini and dont need the flash, and exclusivity. Hell... I see more vettes than sti's or wrx's for that matter.

I was checking the corvette forums, with drag slicks vettes are getting 1.4 sec 60 foot times.

The new Z06 is a beast. Period.

I LOVE that torque curve. LOVE IT!

What curve? :eek:

What curve? :eek:
Very true! It's more like a plateau!!! :cool: :cool: :cool:

It runs low-mid 11's@125ish mph. They pull 1.8 sec 60 foot times too.


This is why I can't believe that my_sti_1 thinks that he will hold off the Z06 until 150+ mph. Seriously, that 1.8 second 60 foot time helps explain why these cars go 0-60 in 3.8 seconds. They have huge 325/30-19 tires in the back. The Subie's AWD advantage has just been thrown out the window. So if the Z06 is at your side after the launch, and it has more power, greatly superior gearing, less weight, and more aerodynamic, how are you going to hold him off until 150 mph???

These cars are no joke. I just saw a video of an '03 Cobra race one from 0-160 mph. The Cobra was ~460 rwhp and the Z06 was stock. At 160 the Z06 probably had 5+ buslengths on the Cobra. Damn I'm jealous. At 522 rwhp I'll still be able to beat a stock one through the quarter mile, but after that, they will slowly start to pass me up. There is a local shop here around Chicago that has just started building single turbo kits for the '03-'04 Cobras. I might have to go this route...
http://www.we-todd-did-racing.com/wetoddimage.wtdr/wMTE0MzgzMTZzNDEzZGZkMzF5NTQx.jpg
http://www.we-todd-did-racing.com/wetoddimage.wtdr/wMTE0MzgzMjZzNDEzZGZkMzF5NTQx.jpg

I believe that dyno run was done at 25 psi. That leaves room for more power on the table. :devil:

My friends 2002 Z06 pulls 1.5s-1.7s on drag radials!! All Z06's are 6spds... keep that in mind.

Vettes with a decent tire and a good driver can LAUNCH!

Seriously, that 1.8 second 60 foot time helps explain why these cars go 0-60 in 3.8 seconds.
Car & Driver got a 0-60mph of 3.4 with a 1/4 mile of 11.7 at 125mph - on street tires! That's the same 1/4 mile et and trap as the new Ferrari F430 and just a few ticks off the Ford GT!!! :cool:

If the C6 Z06 owner runs any kind of street-legal cheater slicks he'll blast out of the hole as fast as any modded STI/WRX (plus he'll probably end up running a very low 11 sec 1/4 mile). Game over. That car is a B-E-A-S-T stock...start modding it *lightly* and you'll have GODZILLA on your hands. :eek: :eek: :eek:

you just don't know the hp market for a wrx. if you did some research a z06 wouldn't be so impressive.



You're right. Factory carbon fiber fenders, titanium con rods, a 7L engine that revs to 7k rpm..... Not impressive at all. :rolleyes:

^^^^
Agreed. Despite the fact that new Z06 still uses a pushrod engine, those corvette engineers have really pushed the envelope with this car. Heck they even used layers of carbon fiber and balsa wood for the floors. That's thinking OUTSIDE of the box folks! ;)

This is a joke right? At least, that's not where that monster would go :confused:
http://www.we-todd-did-racing.com/wetoddimage.wtdr/wMTE0MzgzMTZzNDEzZGZkMzF5NTQx.jpg :lol:

I'm sorry guys, but there's nothing about this car that doesn't exude 'super car':

http://us.autos1.yimg.com/img.autos.yahoo.com/aic/chevrolet_corvette_z06_2006_385x192.jpg

What a waste of a topic on an apples/oranges comparison. If you want a boxy beast of a car that runs 12s easily (which is legitimately fast) with a few inexpensive mods, without losing its primary function/capabilities, will still beat many supercars on the tarmac and many 4 wheel drives off-road, get an sti. If you want a dead-sexy phenominal sports car, that def gives you most bang for the buck in the supercar market get a zo6. Both cars are awesome, but it's a stretch at best to compare them on much of anything.

This is a joke right? At least, that's not where that monster would go :confused:

no thats not a joke, I take it you've never seen an 88mm turbo. He put it up there to give a reference to everyone to show just how large this turbo really is. The only secret behind this whole project is where they are mounting this huge thing. They are keeping it quiet on purpose because they don't want other companies to see the location and start marketing a new kit using their idea before this kit even hits the market. The first 3 initial cars will be done and tuned in January.

I need more info on this turbo kit for my 03!!!! Pm me!!!

no thats not a joke, I take it you've never seen an 88mm turbo. He put it up there to give a reference to everyone to show just how large this turbo really is. The only secret behind this whole project is where they are mounting this huge thing. They are keeping it quiet on purpose because they don't want other companies to see the location and start marketing a new kit using their idea before this kit even hits the market. The first 3 initial cars will be done and tuned in January.Well, since its already been done, what's the big secret???http://musclemustangfastfords.com/features/0310mm_x2c_06_z.jpg :eek:

I have been 195 mph in a 850WHP Supra.... on a highway.... racing an '03 cobra with light mods....

Yep, we dusted him like he was sitting still, when the car quit spinning at about 100mph on street tires.... An automatic Supra btw... fully built by someone who knows what's up...

Anywho...

the Z06 is only missing Forged pistons to be the most Bad-Assed engine ever put out by the big Three....

The cobras (03-04) have one of the best V8 longblocks ever, but are complicated with 4 cams and 32 valves and such....

I can't wait for someone to throw some forged pistons in the new Z06 and slap about 20psi of boost on it..... can you say 1300whp?? I can..... ;-)

Let me also slip in here and say that I have never like 'vettes until the 2002-up Z06 came out... and after driving them.... they are the best overall V8 sportscar around, and I think the new Z06 ranks among true supercars....

With a blower or turbo or hell, even a 50Hp shot of nitrous, it will be in the high 10's easily at 135mph..... that is crazy fast for a 95% stock car....

with a 150hp shot of nitrous, which it is easily capable of holding, it should go some high 9's..... food for thought....

RYNO

No doubt the new Z06 is insane. But I don't know if anywhere near 20psi would be possible on a block built for NA.


But I admit that it is totally insane. Makes me proud to be an american.

Well, since its already been done, what's the big secret???http://musclemustangfastfords.com/features/0310mm_x2c_06_z.jpg :eek:

What do you mean by "its already been done"? It has been done by other builders such as Helion. It has not been done by CPE, who are building these new single turbo kits. The 3 cars they are building have not been completed yet. CPE does not want to release pictures until their first 3 cars are done and tuned in January. The reason for the secrecy, as I mentioned before, is that they do not want other builders such as Helion, HP, etc. to see these preliminary photos of the exhaust manifold and location of the turbo....and turn around and release a new kit based on CPE's design, before CPE even had a chance to unveil its first 3 cars along with dyno sheets. I hope that makes sense now.

In any industry, if you are a business owner that is about to launch a new product that is in high demand with lots of competition, would you show every single one of your competitors your superior idea before you are done with trying to bring it to the market for the first time? Only if you wanted to commit career suicide.

What do you mean by "its already been done"? It has been done by other builders such as Helion. It has not been done by CPE, who are building these new single turbo kits. The 3 cars they are building have not been completed yet. CPE does not want to release pictures until their first 3 cars are done and tuned in January. The reason for the secrecy, as I mentioned before, is that they do not want other builders such as Helion, HP, etc. to see these preliminary photos of the exhaust manifold and location of the turbo....and turn around and release a new kit based on CPE's design, before CPE even had a chance to unveil its first 3 cars along with dyno sheets. I hope that makes sense now.

In any industry, if you are a business owner that is about to launch a new product that is in high demand with lots of competition, would you show every single one of your competitors your superior idea before you are done with trying to bring it to the market for the first time? Only if you wanted to commit career suicide.
I completely understand your point and did so with your last post. My only point is that this size turbo has already been put on a mustang so obviously A manifold has already been designed by another company. As for CPE, I don't see many other ways of mounting a goliath turbo like that inside the limited space of an engine bay. Do I make sence? I mean, how many different ways can you make a wheel round? And what's so superior about their idea? Did they figure out a way to increase spool by 1000rpm or a way to produce 300 more rwhp? I highly doubt that just by placement and manifold design their kit will be that much more superior to any other single turbo kit out there. And there isn't a huge market for hp freaks. We are few and far between. It's just that we all congregate on these types of site...

Boosting the new Z06 is a bad idea. There is no way in hell I would risk boosting an 11:1 compression motor. I don't think I would even throw a little bit of nitrous at it. The only way this motor will ever see 20 psi of boost and 150 shot is if you put in much lower comp pistons like 8.5:1. But who is going to spend $70k+ and then tear the motor apart? Only the very rich I guess.

I said it before....put in some long tubes and catback exhaust, CAI, a much better cam, and tune that beast and expect to see 575-600 rwhp. If it is destroying fast cars at a stock 465 rwhp, imagine what 600 rwhp will be like!

Boosting the new Z06 is a bad idea. There is no way in hell I would risk boosting an 11:1 compression motor. I don't think I would even throw a little bit of nitrous at it. The only way this motor will ever see 20 psi of boost and 150 shot is if you put in much lower comp pistons like 8.5:1. But who is going to spend $70k+ and then tear the motor apart? Only the very rich I guess.

I said it before....put in some long tubes and catback exhaust, CAI, a much better cam, and tune that beast and expect to see 575-600 rwhp. If it is destroying fast cars at a stock 465 rwhp, imagine what 600 rwhp will be like!

Word. :cool:

I completely understand your point and did so with your last post. My only point is that this size turbo has already been put on a mustang so obviously A manifold has already been designed by another company. As for CPE, I don't see many other ways of mounting a goliath turbo like that inside the limited space of an engine bay. Do I make sence? I mean, how many different ways can you make a wheel round? And what's so superior about their idea? Did they figure out a way to increase spool by 1000rpm or a way to produce 300 more rwhp? I highly doubt that just by placement and manifold design their kit will be that much more superior to any other single turbo kit out there. And there isn't a huge market for hp freaks. We are few and far between. It's just that we all congregate on these types of site...

You'd be surprised how many people are jumping on this bandwagon. Its definitely superior because of the turbo size, power output, and price. The entire kit is less expensive than any other company I've seen, including smaller turbos. The biggest turbo I've ever seen on an '03-'04 Cobra STREET CAR is a 76mm. AFAIK, no one has gone as large as the 88mm before. I have seen 88mm on the Foxbody style older Mustangs and on '03-'04 Cobras that have been converted to an all-out drag car. Thats the biggest reason for the secrecy. I have no freakin idea on how and where they will make this fit. I've looked into my engine bay a couple of times and I have no clue, its tight.

This low price you talk of makes me even more excited!

Word. :cool:
+12345!!!! :cool: :cool:

who said it needs 20 psi of boost. It would probably do just fine at 10 psi.

Obviously it doesn't need any boost to be badass. I bet the overseas guys are scratching their heads. They are worried about how to make their own supercars compete with the Z06.

also, ATI made a supercharger kit for last years c5 corvette that boosted hp an additional 50% at the crank. They just released a kit that does the same for the 06 corvette, but not the zo6 yet. When they do, plus headers and intake that will rock the socks off of anything in its price range + cost of mods.

You know those rally STis are like $300,000?

that's because the engine is around 60,ooo and the carbon wing is 16,000.... not all of those mods are really suspension oriented. I bet you could make an STi outhandle the Z06 but it would cost a bunch of $$$... heres the thing though. Most of the drivers who drove those new vettes said that even though the handling numbers were good, that the car wasnt very confidence inspiring and that it needed to have aftermarket chasis bracing to stiffen up the twisting chasis during slalom-like cornering.

my sti will do that on pump gas!

GT30r kit fuel pumps
heads/cams injectors 850cc
throttle body water injection kit
headers perrin FMIC
exhaust

sti plus upgrades $43,000
06 zo6 $70,000 msrp

not bad for an sti :)

X-pipe
Catback
2.8" Pulley
Diablo Sport Predator
CAI
Drag Radials :)


03 Cobra plus upgrades $36,000 spend another $5K would see 10's
sti plus upgrades $43,000
06 zo6 $70,000 msrp

All it takes is money, damn it. Lots of money. :furious: Hwy61

my sti will do that on pump gas!

GT30r kit fuel pumps
heads/cams injectors 850cc
throttle body water injection kit
headers perrin FMIC
exhaust

sti plus upgrades $43,000
06 zo6 $70,000 msrp

not bad for an sti :)

:lol: :lol:

Dont even compare a ford pos to the z06. Yes there is the gt40, im sorry "the gt" because ford is stupid and sold the name to their car. Who sells the name to their car anyway? The gt has a usable driving range of 60 miles before running out of fuel which in my mind is just pathetic.

Dont even compare a ford pos to the z06. Yes there is the gt40, im sorry "the gt" because ford is stupid and sold the name to their car. Who sells the name to their car anyway? The gt has a usable driving range of 60 miles before running out of fuel which in my mind is just pathetic.
No need to start bashing Ford just to try and prove a point. :rolleyes:

While I'm a Subaru guy through-and-through, those mustangs rule the dragstrip for a reason. Plus those '03+ Cobras are insane and easily modded for little $$$... ;)

Dont even compare a ford pos to the z06. Yes there is the gt40, im sorry "the gt" because ford is stupid and sold the name to their car. Who sells the name to their car anyway? The gt has a usable driving range of 60 miles before running out of fuel which in my mind is just pathetic.

Spoken like a true noob. :lol: What makes it a pos? I went from a stock 370 rwhp to 522 rwhp and only had to spend $2,155 in parts. There is no better car where you get a better bang for your buck. Sounds to me like someone's jealous. Yeah its big and really heavy but but the IRS does help with handling quite a bit. Every other RWD high horsepower car I've ever owned had a solid rear axle. When I first drove my new car, I wasn't used to the car staying in control under hard cornering, I was expecting the usual ass-end breaking loose. Oh, and I only paid $28,250 for my Torch Red convertible with only 3,000 miles on it. POS? Thats funny, especially when I can see what your driving. But I'm not gonna be ignorant and say that "all Subarus are a POS" becuase I know they aren't. I just know that going from my '02 WRX to the Cobra turned out to be the best auto decision I've ever made.

And to make sure that no one tries to raise the BS flag on how much I spent, here is my mod list:
BBK longtube ceramic headers: $300 (slightly used)
BBK H-pipe with cats: $335
Borla Stinger catback: $550
JLT CAI: $200
Upper and lower pullies: $370
Diablosport Predator chip: $400

So there you have it. I only had to spend $2,155 in parts to be able to beat a new Z06 down the dragstrip. How much would you have to spend? Nevermind, I know the answer to that and it's a scary answer. Wanna take out a second mortgage?

I hope the people who have been here for a long time realize that I simply love my car, thats all. It just annoys me when someone says that "all Fords suck" or "all Subarus suck". Thats when I gotta intervene. So please don't take my post as saying that I think I'm better than anyone else, because I know I'm not. And believe me, I know if the owners of these new Z06's do some minimal bolt-on's, I'm dead meat. I'm a huge fan of this new supercar and already considered buying one if I wasn't purchasing a new home this Spring. Again, you gotta respect a car like this, and I don't care who manufactures it. I'm the least brand-loyal person there is. I'm more model-loyal if there is such a thing. If it was Hyundai that had built this car and not Chevy, my feelings about it would be the same.

Obviously it doesn't need any boost to be badass. I bet the overseas guys are scratching their heads. They are worried about how to make their own supercars compete with the Z06.

No they're not. No matter where the Vette is as far as performance goes, European markets aren't building there cars with a Vette in mind. They are bought by two different groups of people. Go to a Corvette owners club then stop by a Porsche meet. You'll see what I mean...

POS? Thats funny, especially when I can see what your driving. But I'm not gonna be ignorant and say that "all Subarus are a POS" becuase I know they aren't. I just know that going from my '02 WRX to the Cobra turned out to be the best auto decision I've ever made.



Your Suby must have had some advantages over the Cobra... Id say in anything but a contest of speed, the Subi had to be on top...

If you are not in a position to have more than one car, and say, have to drive 80 miles a day to work, then trading in a WRX for a S/C Cobra could be the worst auto decision you ever made...if you bought your WRX as a sports car, thats a bad call. In my mind, its simple a fun daily driver, its not trying to compete with sports cars.

But you made your point, there is nothing that can run with that Cobra for the money. Not even close...

No they're not. No matter where the Vette is as far as performance goes, European markets aren't building there cars with a Vette in mind. They are bought by two different groups of people. Go to a Corvette owners club then stop by a Porsche meet. You'll see what I mean...

Porche, audi, bmw, etc dont just ignore their competition because they have a lot of customers buying on name and image. Hell, I dont care if even 99% of porche owner bought their car for the name....porche engineers are still going to pay extremely close attention to competing cars on the market.

do you think porche just shrugs their shoulders when the Z06 is posting nurburgring times close to a CarreraGT??? No way.

Because I've owned two:
The first one was a beand new stock 95 v6 and it blew a head gasket at 10,000 mi. It blew a coil