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Full mod list:
V7 STi shortblock
Home ported WRX heads with DPR stage 2 cams, Crower valvetrain, and shimless bucket conversion
Ported/polished Throttle body, exhaust manifold, and TGV delete by SleepinRex
Perrin BigMaf
Modded stock injectors
Hyperflow TMIC
Samco inlet hose
Deadbolt SZ49 external wastegate running 15 psi spring pressure
Ultimate Racing uppipe w/ Tial 38mm
Ultimate Racing catted downpipe
Maddad intermediate pipe with 2.5" taper
TXS Magnaflow axleback
Ecutek



Overall I am happy with the car as it pulls very nicely from ~4k rpm on up to 7k+
I cannot wait for the spring when I bring my car back to XX Tuning for my aggressive pump gas map and a race gas map.
This was only a base map to go into the ECU as a backup to my UTEC if something bad should happen to it and it does not work.


Tony said the motor loved timing and was very smooth. I think it was the first 2.0 STi shortblock they had seen and he did a good job on the tune.


There are only two gripes:
One is the car sucks gas with a straw even when driving "normal" and staying out of boost. With my TXS stage 4 I still got roughly 25 mpg on a mixed tank if I stayed out of the gas.
I seem to be getting only a little less than 200 miles on a tank of gas when I am trying to be easy on it. I know that low mileage like that is normal for most of you guys but it is new to me.
It could also be attributed to my second grip:
The car throws a CEL for all cylinder misfire when it is running for too long of a time either idling or cruise. Tony attributed it to either fouled plugs or the Perrin MAF.
Ichanged the plugs and reset the battery since the tune and the CEL came back after 40 miles. I had not heard anything bad about the Perrin but Tony said they have had
problems with them because according to him, the "stepdown" to normal intake diameter causes air to back up and trick the ECU into sending too muych fuel because it keeps seeing the same air over
and over again.

Please chime in and let me know if you have heard of or have had problems with the Perrin BigMafor even if you have one and it works great. I need to find out if it is indeed my issue and fix it if it is.
XX Tuning recommends the Cobb one but it would require a new map because it is a different diameter than the Perrin.

Finally I would like to thank Bill(SBW), Joe(Suby2.5), Sebastian(sebtarta), Jeff(extremeconcepts), Randy(scoobyless), and Kris as without their help my car would still be up on jackstands for another six months before
I got around to getting it done.

that looks laggy

that looks laggy
XX said that a stock WRX makes around 165 whp on their dyno so it makes the same whp as stock at about 4300 rpms and keeps climbing. It is certainly no autocross turbo on a 2.0 but it is not that bad given I have stage 2 cams and a 7500 rpm redline.

im glad you liked the setup.
so its 300 flywheel hp at 15psi? (that's what the sheet says)
Hopefully you'll get your real tune soon so we can see some good numbers.

horsepower is whp, xx's dynapack just says flywheel on the sheets. my tuned stg 2 sti+header made 285whp/330wtrq on the same dyno for reference.

I don't understand why you would dyno this setup at only 15lbs.

^ Agreed.

I don't understand why you would dyno this setup at only 15lbs.


The car was doen for a long time and we changed a lot. I wanted to make sure that everything was in good working order and there was nothing wrong with the car before we went all out on it. Plus I wanted to get some easier miles on the RA gearset and new clutch that we put in at the same time.

I don't understand why you would dyno this setup at only 15lbs.

It could possibly be due to the winter gas that we have here in New England.

It could possibly be due to the winter gas that we have here in New England.
...seeing that and upper 11's AFR wise @ redline doesn't look good. What kind of AFR's does it pull on the street? Personally I wouldn't want to be any more aggressive than that on pump gas... I'd up the boost yes, but i wouldn't run it any leaner. Or am I off because I'm used to the AFR's 205's like to see?
I'm not bashing, I'm just curious as I plan on going with a 207 at some point as well...

As a side note: my tuner recommended the COBB intake as well as I get misfires occasionally too. I have one on order and will be getting retuned shortly so I guess we'll see if it helps or not.

doesn't look too laggy to me. Utec would be nice for flat footed shifting.

I don't understand why you would dyno this setup at only 15lbs.
From what I read this is a conservative tune that was ecutek'ed straight to the ecu. He's going to runa utec over this so that his utec ever fails he has a good driveable tune to drive on and he can also drive on a conservative tune until everything breaks in. Doing this also means that you don't have to play with big numbers in the utec and are changing less from the base map the utec works off of.
I'm planning on doing something similar (I have a V7 ecu and heads so I'm gonna have someone tweak the avcs maps as well)

Nevermind

It could possibly be due to the winter gas that we have here in New England.

That is another of my main reasons for running low boost in the winter time.

...seeing that and upper 11's AFR wise @ redline doesn't look good. What kind of AFR's does it pull on the street? Personally I wouldn't want to be any more aggressive than that on pump gas... I'd up the boost yes, but i wouldn't run it any leaner. Or am I off because I'm used to the AFR's 205's like to see?
I'm not bashing, I'm just curious as I plan on going with a 207 at some point as well...

As a side note: my tuner recommended the COBB intake as well as I get misfires occasionally too. I have one on order and will be getting retuned shortly so I guess we'll see if it helps or not.

I do not think it is the AFRs that could be so damaging on winter gas as it is the timing. As far as the difference between the 205 and the 207, you be a lot more aggressive with the 207 in all areas than you can with the 205. I remember reading that running an external wastegate also has an effect on how the car is tuned that makes it look very different from a normal WRX tune.
Also please PM me where you got your Cobb MAF from and how much you paid for it.

From what I read this is a conservative tune that was ecutek'ed straight to the ecu. He's going to runa utec over this so that his utec ever fails he has a good driveable tune to drive on and he can also drive on a conservative tune until everything breaks in. Doing this also means that you don't have to play with big numbers in the utec and are changing less from the base map the utec works off of.
I'm planning on doing something similar (I have a V7 ecu and heads so I'm gonna have someone tweak the avcs maps as well)

Your reading comprehension skills are great. :) In the future I am thinking about picking up some JDM heads and an ECU to hook up the AVCS but I wanted to try the WRX heads with cams first to see how they work out with this type of setup. I will have to wait and see if my power goals are reached in the spring before I decide to go that route or not.

...seeing that and upper 11's AFR wise @ redline doesn't look good. What kind of AFR's does it pull on the street? Personally I wouldn't want to be any more aggressive than that on pump gas... I'd up the boost yes, but i wouldn't run it any leaner. Or am I off because I'm used to the AFR's 205's like to see?

there's nothing wrong with high 11s in afr, 93 octane, and an ej207. anything close to 10s is a complete waste with 93.

I would think this would be a good bit laggier on the 2.0L Mabye its the TMIC.

I would think this would be a good bit laggier on the 2.0L Mabye its the TMIC.

are you missing the part where it's a v7 shortblock?

that's 2l.

:confused:

I think he meant it is not as laggy as he thought it would be given it is a 2.0.

I did take as many steps as possible to keep lag down:
Factory exhaust manifold and crosspipe ported and wrapped
Wrapped uppipe
Wrapped Turbo hot side
Staying with a TMIC
Ported TB
Cat in the DP <-------Not sure if this helps or hurts spool
Wrapped DP

I think with a boost controller and a more aggressive tune spool can be made a little better but this is just the start.

Are my power goals reallistic with a top mount or will I have to go with a FMIC?

nice high end power.

So what are the goals here? Just to make a reliable tune?



Either way congrats on the build. Your setup makes me jealous, but mine will be ready one of these days.

nice high end power.
Thanks, it should be wayy better when we tune it for 22-23 psi. :)

So what are the goals here? Just to make a reliable tune?



Either way congrats on the build. Your setup makes me jealous, but mine will be ready one of these days.
I really just wanted to get the car tuned so that it ran again. It was down for six months during this build so it just had to run well. Be patient in your build it pays off.

Silver we should hang out some time i live in Danbury, although i've probably PM'ed you or talked to you on aim (overboostedwrx) but im always around to help out a fellow wrx owner in need.

Your fuel consumption is probably related to 2 things: the basemap and the modded stock injectors. Thats just bootleg in my opinion, who modded them?
The hydra basemap i am running on right now probably gives me 10mpg. I was getting better mileage in my CJ with a bored 360ci V8 edelbrock performer package and holley double pumper with a 3speed that wasted more gas than u can imagine.

Heres my suggestion:
Don't listen to XX Tuning. =)
Been there, done that, broke plenty. They are not only a) a ripoff but b) push whatever they make the most money on. They have all the same stuff everyone else does. When i bought my hydra Phil told me some horror stories about those guys frying hydras. I understand different dynos are different, but when you have to dyno bash like those guys do in order to justify low #'s they are really just trying to justify the fact that they are bad tuners.

Personally, i'd rather pay phil to train me on my own car than these guys to use some wack @$$ map. Dude i put down better #'s than that with a VF30 at 16psi which flows NO WHERE NEAR AS MUCH as a SZ49.. on a STOCK MOTOR with a M2 Top mount and sti pinks like 3 years ago. My cars in the body shop right now but i have a pretty set of V8 heads that are brand spankin new with a few test miles (no carbon deposit whatsoever) :p
and this 257 block to sleeve and work up. I was going to get a 35R but i am going to take my time and do something no one on this board has done with a Subaru.
If the big valley car (726WHP) had my built 5 speed and ATS carbon triple plate in it revving out 4th gear to 8000 or 8500 (instead of going thru all 6) they'd have been the first to hit 9's in a manual in the world =)

I will give you one hint.. If anyone reading this lives near Bloomingdale IL theres a certain shop there with some very trick yellow and blue Supras..

Not trying to brag just sick of seeing unimpressive #'s from lousy tuners with sloppy AFR curves and serious high rpm torque falloff. Look at StealthWRX's curves on his first setup and compare that to any torque curve from any bolt on turbo.. no matter what motor, they all fall off rediculously at high RPM. I'm not a pro, im not a knowitall, but i have done my homework and don't cheap out when it comes to strengthening the weak points of my car.

What kind of clutch are you running? i have a fidanza flywheel for sale $200.
it has like 1500 miles on it if that. I am happy to see XX carrying PAR Gears, however the installer will make all the difference in the world in how long your box lasts. I had mine built by tony moustakis @ colonial who is the sole person doing whatever work on it i can't. Hes a very knowledgeable guy.
Mind you it only cost me $1000 for the machining and install. Not a bad deal eh?

http://www.we-todd-did-racing.com/wetoddimage.wtdr/wMTE0MTMwMDZzNDEzZGZkMzF5NTQx.jpg

http://www.we-todd-did-racing.com/wetoddimage.wtdr/wMTE0MTI5OTZzNDEzZGZkMzF5NTQx.jpg

Sorry for the crappy images I don't have a scanner.


Full mod list:
V7 STi shortblock
Home ported WRX heads with DPR stage 2 cams, Crower valvetrain, and shimless bucket conversion
Ported/polished Throttle body, exhaust manifold, and TGV delete by SleepinRex
Perrin BigMaf
Modded stock injectors
Hyperflow TMIC
Samco inlet hose
Deadbolt SZ49 external wastegate running 15 psi spring pressure
Ultimate Racing uppipe w/ Tial 38mm
Ultimate Racing catted downpipe
Maddad intermediate pipe with 2.5" taper
TXS Magnaflow axleback
Ecutek



Overall I am happy with the car as it pulls very nicely from ~4k rpm on up to 7k+
I cannot wait for the spring when I bring my car back to XX Tuning for my aggressive pump gas map and a race gas map.
This was only a base map to go into the ECU as a backup to my UTEC if something bad should happen to it and it does not work.


Tony said the motor loved timing and was very smooth. I think it was the first 2.0 STi shortblock they had seen and he did a good job on the tune.


There are only two gripes:
One is the car sucks gas with a straw even when driving "normal" and staying out of boost. With my TXS stage 4 I still got roughly 25 mpg on a mixed tank if I stayed out of the gas.
I seem to be getting only a little less than 200 miles on a tank of gas when I am trying to be easy on it. I know that low mileage like that is normal for most of you guys but it is new to me.
It could also be attributed to my second grip:
The car throws a CEL for all cylinder misfire when it is running for too long of a time either idling or cruise. Tony attributed it to either fouled plugs or the Perrin MAF.
Ichanged the plugs and reset the battery since the tune and the CEL came back after 40 miles. I had not heard anything bad about the Perrin but Tony said they have had
problems with them because according to him, the "stepdown" to normal intake diameter causes air to back up and trick the ECU into sending too muych fuel because it keeps seeing the same air over
and over again.

Please chime in and let me know if you have heard of or have had problems with the Perrin BigMafor even if you have one and it works great. I need to find out if it is indeed my issue and fix it if it is.
XX Tuning recommends the Cobb one but it would require a new map because it is a different diameter than the Perrin.

Finally I would like to thank Bill(SBW), Joe(Suby2.5), Sebastian(sebtarta), Jeff(extremeconcepts), Randy(scoobyless), and Kris as without their help my car would still be up on jackstands for another six months before
I got around to getting it done.

Rob, glad to see you've got it running and on the road again. Im sure you must be happy, Im glad to see we got the timing right as well.

I really dont see the tune being dangerous running 15psi on a sz49 and mid 11 afr's. Looks like your making close to 300hp at 15psi and on a turbo that can make a lot more.

I dont see much of a torque fall-off either, unless he wasn't singling you out. and I dont see a ton of abnormal lag either. looks like a good base map incase your UTEC fails, but I would wonder what your ST and LT fuel trims are like in relation to your mpg problem, but Im not sure how ecutek even handles those. couldn't they check it at XX with deltadash?

sent you a pm about the big maf

Question, would it be better to keep the EcuTek reflash ecu for emergency situations and use the Hydra for a new ECU all together?

You have AVCS cams and the UTEC cannot control them. The Cams would be a waste.

If you were going to a full tune with the EcuTek, I could understand.

Look into the Hydra, see what it has to offer beside AVCS control and then go from there. That will make full use of your AVCS cams and others.

I would wonder what your ST and LT fuel trims are like in relation to your mpg problem, but Im not sure how ecutek even handles those. couldn't they check it at XX with deltadash?

I am not sure either as I was not able to stay and watch the car get tuned. When I talked to him on the phone after he was done he said he got the AFR at idle to 14.7 and the ECU fuel correction to 0 and that was as much as he could do. I am not sure if Ecutek allows any more adjustment to fuel than that as it is not something normal people can mess around with.


powerleak, thanks for the info.

west_minist, my cams are not the AVCS ones that DPR sells I am only using an STi shortblock with WRX heads.

Ok Silver. We look forward to more results.