I have a Nikon D50 that I got for Christmas, I was hoping that it would end up working for me but after using it a couple of times I'm really wanting the extra features of the D70s. I have the camera and $200 worth of extra goodies for it. I'll sell it for $800 with everything. So basically your buying a brand new camera and im giving you all the extras for free!! PM with any questions.

hmm no offense or disrespect but that is pretty expensive for that camera considering you could get one for 649 plus 7 dollar shipping from new egg . com with full warranty and such... good luck though!

oh well i didnt know you could get them for that cheap, i paid 800 for mine from ritz and thats what just about every camera shop sells them for. Mine has all the warrenty cards and everything for it as well so you wouldnt be missing out on any of that plus, a bag, book, 512mb ultra 2 card, uv filter and a couple other things.

Ahh Ritz! that explains it.. although they are a great store, they are quite high. I'm a film maker but also a professional photographer as well. As soon as I found out about new egg, I started going there and no where else..world class service and you can save ungodly amounts on stuff as well. Anyhow, usually when you sell stuff you take a bath on the accessories EXCLUDING lenses. optics are very expensive. If you want a D70.. you would probe be best off to keep the extras that didn't come with your D50 like the card since it will most likely work on the new camera and lower the price a bit and sell it on craigs list or something. Just my .02 but I have found if there isnt incentive or really good saving then people will just buy new. ALso If I might ask? why would you want to spend that kind of money on a D70? 6.1 megpixles along with some of its other features is quite out of line for the price.. For about the same money, or maybe a bit less on new egg even... you could get a Canon rebel XT which is far superior and totally out classes a D70 all in all aspects. nikons digital SLR's just can't compete with canon's these days.... not like the film days for sure. -- andy

yeah I bought a nikon S4 at ritz and could have saved serious cash just buying one online. buy your next camera online and save a hundy or two. d50 i think is really nice. then again im just an average dude idk much

+1 on the rebel xt! i got mine at xmas time, awesome camera........only if i knew how to really take good pics:)

thing is i am looking at getting the d70 lens or maybe a sigma and after that i will be spending almost as much anyways, and the cards are dif. d50 uses SD d70 uses compact flash. You really think the cannons are so much better i have been hearing the opposite from most people and i really dont like how the cannons feel. How much do you think i could get for this setup, i found a deal on a d70

or go to costco, they got the d50 for cheap and I love my canon, i bought a few years ago, the S50. nice little camera, kinda heavy but the pictures come out great for a compact camera.

That's pretty funny.. I would like to know who is saying that the Nikons are so much better than canon's.. They get the ass-hat of the year award lol. I'm just messin.. I'm not a dick like that but I can assure you that they don't know much about cameras. I'll put this in terms that apply to this site we are on. As far as performance goes.. the D50 is a 2.5 RS, The D70 is a 2.0 liter WRX and The rebel XT is an 06 STi :lol:

Also, the rebel XT has won basically every award.. is world renowned, and is always top on the list for cameras in the price range you are looking at. The D70 is not only a consumer camera.. but an over priced one too. Where as the Rebel XT is priced for a consumer but has more higher end professional insides and 8 megapixles. Pretty sad that some $h*t box little pocket sized point and shoots would have 7 megapixles and a SLR over $900 has 6.. hmmm.

I do understand where you are coming from about the feeling of the rebel though. It is made out of a high quality plastic.. it can feel a bit cheezy because this but it really is effective for keeping the weight down which is a plus.. you can cary the rebel around and not suffer too much like other SLR's. All the other canon Slr's are not plastic though and feel .. well ..amazing.. and cost between 1,500-9,000 as well..

Canon has the fastest digital SLR in the world.. 1D Mark IIN 8 pics per second... brand new camera.. amazing!!!!

Highest Resolution Digital camera in the world.. 1D'S MarkII 17 megapixles

Only full frame 35mm sensors on digital still cameras in the world.. 5D and 1D's Mark II

Highest quality CMOS complimentary metal oxide semiconductor .. image sensor of any digital SLR cameras .. period!

Nikon just cant compete In the high end SLR's...

Also to answer another statement you had made... I personally would not put a sigma or any other non NIKON lens on a nikon. The one thing nikon does well is make GREAT.. world class lenses. The color saturation is pretty much un beatable.. which is the only reason someone would put up with their lagging technology and high dollar for nothing cameras. Canon makes very fine lenses too.. but I would say nikons are the best.. and they are also realllllllly expensive.. So, having said that.. if you arent willing to spend three arms and a leg on all nikon lenses.. I wouldn't buy a nikon..

Rebel XT is still the best camera on the market period.. for the money! it is def the sti of SLR's

again I am a professional photographer.. I know a LOT about cameras... trust me!! or dont and look it up but you will see what I am talking about.

to answer your question about how to sell yours for.. I am not sure and dont want to misguide you.. i'd look on Ebay and see what the going rate seems to be on used ones in the condition of yours. again good luck! and go try out these cameras and read on them before you BUY!!

my newest toy is a canon EOS 20D with a fish eye lens, 18-55mm lens, 50mm lens, 70- 300 mm lens, 500mm high speed zoom lens.. vertical battery grip, canon speed light hot shoe flash, and a ultra high speed 4 GIG 80X CF type II micro drive card. over $4,000 retail.. so watch it.. it gets expensive FAST lol.. if i sold all my stuff.. well.. id have an 05 STI not 05RS sport lol - andy

I have a 2.5rs of cameras ;) but I'm just starting out and don't know all the stuff about photography it gets the job done for me. Although I definetly would take the advice of a professional photographer kind of makes me wish I knew before getting mine. I'm satisfied though. :disco:

Highest Resolution Digital camera in the world.. 1D'S MarkII 17 megapixles.

I gotta be the Web police on this one, sorry. There's actually a 39 MP camera made by Hasselblad called the CF-39MS. This puppy retails for $38,000.00 (yes I didn't add too many zeros in there)... but MP aren't everything.
http://www.dcviews.com/press/images/Hasselblad-39-series.jpg

I have a 2.5rs of cameras ;) but I'm just starting out and don't know all the stuff about photography it gets the job done for me. Although I definetly would take the advice of a professional photographer kind of makes me wish I knew before getting mine. I'm satisfied though. :disco:

hey now now... I didn't mean that as a bad thing! I have a 2.5RS car and love it.. I would like an STi once I'm over 25.. but you see... they make 25 jillion different cameras for a reason.. no camera is perfect.. and everyone has different needs.. Nothing wrong with the D50 or D70.. the fact that one has a DSLR is great regardless what kind... just to be nit picky.. IMOP spending the money on a D70 vs Rebel XT is not the best route.. enjoy your SLR though.. they are sweet.. AND.. to all with DSLR's keep the hole for the lens CLOSED UP AT ALL COSTS AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.. it is very dusty in this town and the sensor has a static charge and it will ruin you pics and costs between 35 - 50 bucks to have it cleaned.. im having mine cleaned 3rd time in three months because i change lenses alot.. -- andy

I gotta be the Web police on this one, sorry. There's actually a 39 MP camera made by Hasselblad called the CF-39MS. This puppy retails for $38,000.00 (yes I didn't add too many zeros in there)... but MP aren't everything.



HAHAHA.. wow.. yea so I totally left my self open to that one.. I didn't expect that which is why I wasnt specific.. but I have to say I am quite impressed lol. :eek:

I was referring to single lens reflex cameras when I was giving those facts.. and that is not a SLR... it's a medium format camera which would never be compared to a SLR.. totally different beast.. but I didn't specify so YA GOT ME lol. I have seen those before and i have to say that THOSE ARE SO SWEEEET OMG. It would be pretty foolish to buy one since technology changes at the rate it does... cameras of that price are what you would call rental material... some studios may buy some.. but usually people rent those high dollar ones. I have a medium format film camera.... pretty cool stuff.. the resolution is insane... so that is why the digital is equally insane.. and I dont even blink at price like that.. this stuff is soo expensive.. esp at the professional level.. The price on that camera for what it is is act quite reasonable. and CMOS Hi def video cameras are like between two and three HUNDRED thousand thats six zeros lol... as a cinematography student.. well.. money has a new meaning lol.. the stuff is so expensive.. that is why movies and such cost six figure millions and dont make money.. - andy

ps... you are very right about mega pixles not being everything.. but once you start cropping.. or adding photshoping.. the more the merrier

pps.. that website you used is the bible for this kind of stuff.... highly recommend it for research.. AWESOME SIGHT! nicely done

hey now now... I didn't mean that as a bad thing! I have a 2.5RS car and love it..
haha I was just messing around.

So which camera is the best? Because I'm in the market for a new dig. camera.

BTW, I love taking pics (not just of parties), I mean I LOVE doing photoshoots with cars! You can get so much emo out of car photoshoots :) haha

But in seriousness, I want a GOOD/GREAT camera for a shoot. I had a $90 Kodak EasyShare from Wal*Mart and that thing was BOMB, still someone stole it at school.

So which camera is the best?


lol yea... that is a question that is impossible to answer... are you looking for a compact point and shoot camera... SLR-like camera... or an SLR? I could point you in the right direction in any of those categories.. some are wayyy better than others!

I actually did do my reading before looking for a camera, I personally did not buy the d50, it was a christmas present, i really wanted a d70s but everyone was pitching in and there wasn't enough money for it. I respect your opinion since you are a professional photographer, but much of what i have heard about the nikons has come from other profrssional photographers. Yes the cannons have higher megapixels but as said by someone else megapixels arent everything, i will rarely if ever by making prints larger then 8x10 so the extra megapixels really mean nothing. I would rather have the improved image sharpness, color quality, camera feel, autofocus and better lens selection of the nikons. If the cannons are so much better cameras why is the d70 the best selling slr?

So which camera is the best? Because I'm in the market for a new dig. camera.

BTW, I love taking pics (not just of parties), I mean I LOVE doing photoshoots with cars! You can get so much emo out of car photoshoots :) haha

But in seriousness, I want a GOOD/GREAT camera for a shoot. I had a $90 Kodak EasyShare from Wal*Mart and that thing was BOMB, still someone stole it at school.
looking at reviews online is a great way to decide. an slr is for people that are serious about pictures. look around on factory websites and decide what cameras fit your budget and style. then lookup whatever camera it is and the word "review" in a search engine. I should have done more research when i bought my coolpixS4. I wanted a small ultra zoom so I bought it even though there are better reviews on other cameras.

I actually did do my reading before looking for a camera, I personally did not buy the d50, it was a christmas present, i really wanted a d70s but everyone was pitching in and there wasn't enough money for it. I respect your opinion since you are a professional photographer, but much of what i have heard about the nikons has come from other profrssional photographers. Yes the cannons have higher megapixels but as said by someone else megapixels arent everything, i will rarely if ever by making prints larger then 8x10 so the extra megapixels really mean nothing. I would rather have the improved image sharpness, color quality, camera feel, autofocus and better lens selection of the nikons. If the cannons are so much better cameras why is the d70 the best selling slr?

Hmm... well that is all news to me my friend! It is obvious that you have your mind set on the D70 and that is what you are determined to get and are not willing to listen to anything about any other cameras... so I think you should just get the D70 if that is what makes you happy.. However, just incase other members are in the market for these cameras.. I have to correct your horribly erroneous statements with the real hard facts... even if it only helps one person.. it's worth my time to me. I am not sure who or where you get your info from.. but you are terribly misguided.

The D70 does not have improved or better image sharpness over the Digital rebel XT. The old original digital rebel with the 6MP sensor was not as good as the nikon D70. However, the new digital rebel XT with the 8 MP CMOS sensor has outstanding image quality.. The Rebel XT's image quality is the BEST image quality in any SLR 1,000 dollars or under. And the D70 is the number TWO right behind it.. that is a proven fact! both are highly respectable in the top two positions.

The feeling of the cameras is completely subjective.. One does not really have a better feel than the other.. its strictly individual taste.. Fact is... neither camera's are metal... that is what makes a camera.. like my 20D.. feel nice... The D70 and rebel XT are made of the same type of plastic.. and are about the same size and weight.. Nikon does however put a rubber grip on the D70.. this may be why you like it more... many people complain it hinders them when taking vertical pictures... well.. that.. and the fact that you can NOT add a vertical grip to the D70. The canon has no rubber on the body but you CAN add a vertical grip... which I have on my 20D.. not sure what id do without it.. its a heavy camera and it kills the wrists without it..

You also mentioned that the nikon has a better auto focus.. again.. WRONG.. Fact is.. the REBEL XT has a TREMENDOUS advantage over the D70 as far as auto focus is concerned. Not only is the canons auto focus MUCH faster and more advanced than the nikon.. it also Has 7 points of evaluation versus the nikons 5.

Above you mention that you have a better lens selection with a nikon... that is the most ridiculous thing i have ever heard :lol: canon has the largest selection of lenses on the market. period. and thats a fact! any Ef or Ef-s lens.. even from the 1960's will fit and work perfectly. only A mounts will work on the nikon.. not the older ones...

and your very last statement how the D70 is the best selling SLR on the market is by far the most ridiculous of them all. Nikon, does not have the best selling Digital camera in any category. and THAT is a fact!

Also a fact that the original rebel started the whole 'prosumer' DSLR market and its the number one reason the market is how it is now.. and they are still number one.. In fact canon is the undisputed world leader in DSLR's they have over 80% of the professional market.. that more than a landslide.. and they out sell nikons by over a 3:1 ratio... sorry.. everyone thinks they are a pro these days with digital cameras.. too bad they aren't..
I have a degree in photography as well as a full member of the trade... get what makes you happy.. but don;t think those crazy things above are true.. - andy


here is part of the review from the number one review sight since i cant do links..

In 2003, Canon opened the floodgates for affordable digital single lens reflex (D-SLR) cameras with the 6-megapixel Digital Rebel, the first digital camera with an interchangeable lens for under $1,000 dollars. Now, the company has blown away the competition with the introduction of the new 8 MP Digital Rebel XT. I know Nikon fans will groan but this fact is hard to deny, even with the introduction of the slightly enhanced 6 MP Nikon 70s. Although you can still purchase the Rebel for $799 with a lens, we strongly urge you to spend the extra money for the XT ($999 with the lens). Not only is picture quality improved, thanks to new circuitry dubbed DIGIC II by Canon, but the D-SLR operates much faster and the battery lasts longer. Response time is almost instantaneous from the time you focus to saving the image to the card. It's very close to the more expensive and highly rated Canon EOS 20D, which costs hundreds more. The new camera is not only more potent, it weighs slightly less than the Digital Rebel (17.1 ounces versus 19.7). In case you couldn't tell, we really loved this camera. For the record, the new 6MP Pentax *ist DL is the lightest D-SLR at 16.6 ounces and it's due in July. For an extra half-ounce, we'll definitely choose the XT.

nikon makes me feel like im from japan and so does my subaru. thats why I like nikon and thats why I like subaru. sugoi!

thetraut,

What features about the D70s over the D50 were you looking for?

Canon, Nikon, Olympus, etc..whatever..if you want the best image quality go out and get a Leica system or step up to 4x5. Digital cameras have a huge convenience factor, that's why they are so appealing. My mother's P/S Panasonic camera yields (in my eyes) finer images, better color and resolution than snaps from my D70. The problem is that it only shoots in JPG mode and not RAW like the D70, so making prints with it is a no go. But for purely web images, that little Panasonic with the Leitz optics would be my choice. My background is 4x5 and 7x17, so my preference is always going to be image quality.

My advice is:

Forget about about reviews, manufacturer websites, etc....

Go out and shoot some more. Attend a weekend workshop. Discuss and learn with others in your situation what works and what doesn't. There is bound to be a camera club in your area. Just beware of people throwing out facts, stats, etc..many times these people collect gear and rarely photograph. You'll know it when you see them. It will be obvious.

Even better, go into a large camera shop and test fire some cameras, upload images to a laptop and look at them onscreen in a pic viewer or Photoshop. Zoom in, play with them, etc. See what is onscreen. Judge for yourself. Too many variables in printing, so I would not bother with that at this point.

I don't have a degree in photography, but I did run the oldest photography workshop program in the world in Yosemite for 10 years....right up until i got deployed to Iraq. I have seen tens of thousands of people with their gear in Yosemite and Monterey/Carmel. I have also seen their problems and successes. A lot of people go out and buy top of the line gear and could have done just as well with consumer level equipment.

Don't toss the D50 based on a bulleted list of features you may have seen somewhere. Oh...and you can get a vertical grip for the D70. Two third party manufacturers produce them. Stay away from the photography magazines. Go out and talk to real people.

If you do go out and buy a camera, try http://www.bhphoto.com Yeah, they are ******** over there, but generally a good and safe place to buy equipment.

Now, I am not a true Nikon fan, just an owner. I needed something to record what I was seeing in the ****hole called Iraq. The D70 did just fine all year after getting tossed around in Blackhawks and 1114s.

One last thing to consider. The camera body isn't as important as the optic. Save some money and upgrade your lenses instead. No third party lenses. All AF lenses are cheaply built, and not as silky smooth or sturdy as a manual, but third party leneses like Sigma and Tamron are going to be a little worse. Stay with Nikon or Canon, whatever you end up with.

Remember: YOU make photographs, not your camera. It's just a tool.

CH

thanks 280, your advice was very helpful and almost exactly the same as a pro photographer that owns a shop in the area. He has been shooting every type of photography for 35 years and also gave me the same advice. I have decided to stick with my D50 for now and get a lens instead. I am almost sure on the 18-70, i did concider the sigma 18-125 for the extra zoom but now am leaning more towards the nikon after input from some REAL people as you said.

I also have been checking out B&H on a recomendation from a guy at another pro camera shop in town, they seem to have a great selection.

I think you will be much better off looking at optics instead of getting a different body. Never a big fan of zooms, but I know Nikon made a 24-120 D and G lens. G would be the latest version unless they have something else out now. Nice compact do many things at once lens.

Look at http://www.keh.com as well. I have done well with these guys over the years. Buying used can save some bucks.

Good luck.

CH

haha thats funny i have also been checking keh on recomondation from the same guy.

Remember: YOU make photographs, not your camera. It's just a tool.


Although I wholeheartedly agree with the advice you gave, I have to say that the above quoted statement is completely false as far as digital cameras go.
I originally asked him why he wanted a D70 in the first place for the the very reason of offering him advice similar to yours. He told me he wanted the better features and the D50 wasn't what he really wanted so I recommend the Rebel XT.. and still recommend it ANYDAY over the D70. however, he as well as the majority of everyone else on here is an amateur and will most likely use the camera on AUTOMATIC 90 percent of the time and not use most of the features anyways. I personally don't use JPG or any amateur level stuff.. so it was pretty natural for me to agree with him in the need for upgrading.. because I am a professional.. it causes me to tend toward the higher end stuff like that because that is what I used and need.. So it was good for someone like you.. an amateur.. to give him advice from the perspective and point of view of another amateur.

Now for your above statement about the camera doesn't make the pictures you do its just a tool.. that would be 100% correct if you are referring to a FILM camera. Digital is a who different ball game and the CHIP.. ( image sensor) is 100% responsible for the way the picture comes out. Not the photographer. In fact, if you were to take 3 different DIGITAL cameras from three different makers and set the identically and take a picture of the same exact thing under the same exact conditions... you would have three totally different looking images.

This is not the case with film however... which is still superior to any digital camera.. even the 10 thousand dollar ones. The manipulation of film is an art, skill and a science. In fact you dont even need a fancy SLR to take pictures with film. I did an artistic study once with black and white film with a shoe-box with two pin holes as my camera and i used my hand as the shutter and the second hand on my watch to count the time of exposure....
this was later displayed at the phoenix art museum and has been published in many art publications.

The word photography is of the latin roots and means ' picture with light'

the word camera is also of latin roots meaning 'room with door'.. the door being the shutter.

all of the elements of photography are completely changed with digital.. and digital can not be compared to conventional film photography.. although digital tries its best to emulate it..

if you take a SLR with iso 100 speed film in a dark room with next to no light and expose a picture.. it will come out 100% black.. the deepest shade of black possible on the color spectrum of 16 shades..

do the same with A DSLR set to iso 100... it will pick up all the hints of light however slight they way be and it will also add light.. digital adds light wheather you want it to or not where there is no light. therefore you could never have full control over your images without photoshop with digital.

and if you were referring to me as just throwing out facts from magazines..
and collecting high priced gear.. I'll have you know that I am a member of the largest photography union in the USA out of california.. I have had several articles on myself and my work in various trade magazines.. I have won many of awards at the national level.. have had a picture on the cover of a worldwide magazine.. and my works while obtaining my associates degree in photography have gotten me a full ride scholarship to the University of southern California's school of cinema television.. the most prestigious and hardest school to get into for film where I am going to study cinematography.. sooo.. yea.. I know a thing or two.. not just a collector or a magazine reader.. and I'm not accusing you of anything either.. just an interesting factoid about your local SWIC member.. bows applause... - andy

>>Now for your above statement about the camera doesn't make the pictures you do its just a tool.. that would be 100% correct if you are referring to a FILM camera. Digital is a who different ball game and the CHIP.. ( image sensor) is 100% responsible for the way the picture comes out.<<



Come on now. Sit back and think about what you are saying. Whatever camera you have doesn't control what you see. The camera doesn't control your composition, which is often the most important aspect.

Oh. and JPG isn't "amatuer" stuff. It's a certain type of lossy compressed image format and depending on the embedded color profile, it will be heavily slanted towards web use. For many people, it will fit the bill since making photographs isn't part of the plan. It has it's use like PNG, RAW, TI, GIF, etc. Don't get caught in the amatuer/professional game.

I shoot LF, so should I say that everyone shooting with little cameras and bracket everything are amatuers? Of course not. But many do.

Ansel Adams often quoted statement: "There is nothing worse than a sharp image of a fuzzy concept"...funny because I know exactly who he was referring to at the time. It still rings true today...especially with digital.

I've been around this stuff a very long time. Handled thousands of vintage and contemporary photographs as well as Ansel's. I have had to opportunity to study and work with the masters and the new guys on the block. I stand by the statement that the camera is merely a tool. Sure, it can be used well and used poorly. That's up to the photographer.

Oh..I attended SC in the early 90s...anthropology. Been there, done that. Things have changed quite a bit since I was there last.

CH

that's awesome man! USC.. FIGHT ON! before I respond I want to say this is most def a passion of mine and I don't want this to be a pissing match or turn into some dumb thing. I enjoy talking about this stuff with other people who are into it as well.. I totally respect what you are saying and your views and don't want this all to be about a you're right im wrong or visa-versa thing.. or anyone feeling they have to be defensive..

>>Now for your above statement about the camera doesn't make the pictures you do its just a tool.. that would be 100% correct if you are referring to a FILM camera. Digital is a who different ball game and the CHIP.. ( image sensor) is 100% responsible for the way the picture comes out.<<

Come on now. Sit back and think about what you are saying. Whatever camera you have doesn't control what you see? The camera doesn't control your composition, which is often the most important aspect.

CH

I can see where you are coming from now and can also see your point of view after this statement you made and it is clear we are talking about two totally different aspects.

you are talking from a purely artistic and esthetic standpoint.. by talking about composition as possibly the most important thing.. by means of composition and esthetics... you are absolutely right in saying that the camera is just a tool but the photographer is in full control.although this is kind of a captain obvious statement.. since you have to point the camera at a specific subject to capture it and can choose what is in it and not... I was talking all along in technical aspects only.. By means of technical aspects.. I would be correct in saying.. you can do what you want and set what you want on the camera.. but that will not have THAT much of an effect on an image.. it is all about the sensor.. again.. for example.. if you point a film camera at the sun in auto mode.. the picture will be nothing but un useable garbage.. point a digital at the sun in auto mode and you have a post card.. lol.. it is computerized and has a brain of its own.. unlike film.. where it just does exactly what the camera is set for. hopefully that clears up the confusion.. we were both correct in our statements though..


Oh. and JPG isn't "amatuer" stuff. It's a certain type of lossy compressed image format and depending on the embedded color profile, it will be heavily slanted towards web use. For many people, it will fit the bill since making photographs isn't part of the plan. It has it's use like PNG, RAW, TI, GIF, etc. Don't get caught in the amatuer/professional game.

I understand what a JPG is hahahaha.. I also again understand where are you are coming from here... However you now have to understand where I am coming from.. I see what you are saying here ok.. but my pictures are not always printed either.. in fact the majority are exported for digital and web purposes like you said..
HOWEVER.. shooting pictures in JPG is highly amateur.. and I'm not saying that as a bad thing ok.. I do not shoot EVER in JPG though.. It would be quite foolish to have the 5+ thousand in camera and a few optics to shoot in JPG.. and be A) restricted to a certain (DPI) resolution which is 72.. which is very low.. from that low of a res... it is impossible to do anything without noticeably reducing image quality as far as cropping, enlarging, digitally altering ect.. Also.. it is a compressed file as you mentioned and is low quality.. noisy.. and is very noticeable to a trained eye.. I ONLY shoot RAW in camera... then I import the files as TIFF's at 1200 DPI making each file WAY over a gig.. do all my correction and cropping.. then.. compress the final product to a JPG for web export.. shoot in JPG in camera.. is not the way of any pro photographer.. and pro vs amateur.. I don't play into anything.. and.. well its not really a game... only difference is.. pros get paid.. and usually need better stuff because its used for commercial purposes.. when I am not being paid.. I'm just a VERY advanced amateur myself..

vintage is awesome too.. one of my prize possessions is my original 1913 eastman ( camera) a real gem..

anyhow... def nice having a stimulating convo on the topic with ya.. - andy

thetraut- so after this huge thread with over 300 views , tons of comments, good facts, ideas, opinions ect... What are you going to do now? any idea?

RS-
yes i am an amerature, i am not a professional and have no desire to be one. However im not an idiot and NEVER shoot on auto and NEVER shoot on jpeg. I always shoot on RAW and always do post processing. I may not know as much in this area as you do and may not know how to use every feature in CS2 or other programs, but I am learning a great deal with the help of people who want to offer constructive advice. Thats great that you have achieved so much in photography in such a short period of time It is too bad you waste it all arguing which camera is best or putting yourself on a pedistal with what you have achieved and where you go to school. Rather then helping out some photography enthusiasts who would much rather hear some tips from a pro like yourself.

280-
Thanks for the constructive advice, if you have some time I would love to see some of your pics of Iraq or any of your others for that matter. It sounds like you have been taking photographs for a long time now, it would be interesting to how you set up your compostions with so much experience. Maybe RS will share some of his too without explaining why they are so great and why mine will never compare to his without a USC photography education.

austin

RS-
yes i am an amerature, i am not a professional and have no desire to be one. However im not an idiot and NEVER shoot on auto and NEVER shoot on jpeg. I always shoot on RAW and always do post processing. I may not know as much in this area as you do and may not know how to use every feature in CS2 or other programs, but I am learning a great deal with the help of people who want to offer constructive advice. Thats great that you have achieved so much in photography in such a short period of time It is too bad you waste it all arguing which camera is best or putting yourself on a pedistal with what you have achieved and where you go to school. Rather then helping out some photography enthusiasts who would much rather hear some tips from a pro like yourself.

280-
Thanks for the constructive advice, if you have some time I would love to see some of your pics of Iraq or any of your others for that matter. It sounds like you have been taking photographs for a long time now, it would be interesting to how you set up your compostions with so much experience. Maybe RS will share some of his too without explaining why they are so great and why mine will never compare to his without a USC photography education.

austin


Haaa! O really?? is that so austin? Well, I think it is time for you to first learn how to read and then go back and read this entire thread. I never said you were an idiot, I never said any one was an idiot! and I don't go to USC yet... I never said there is anything wrong with being an amateur or doing amateur things.When looking at high end cameras like you were.. the only way to compare them is amateur features vs pro features. because it a 'pro sumer' camera. sorry that's just how it goes. I was very respectful and courteous the entire time with everyone. go re read my entire convo with 280.. where was I on a pedestal or bragging about anything? I was very respectful with him and he was respectful back.. which is more than I can say for you. the only reason I brought up my credentials is because he did.. And handling a persons work doesn't make you a good photographer. My uncle has one of the largest private collections of great photographic works and he couldn't take a picture to save his life.. I was genuinely interested in helping you and others and that is even why I followed up and asked in the first place what you were gonna do and such before you were extremely rude. I got over 10 PM's from swic and non swic member asking me questions about cameras and photography. They were well informed.. and thankful and appreciative for the information and advice. which is more than I can say for you again. and how are you shooting raw on ALL your pictures there champ? your D50 CAN NOT shoot raw..? only jpg! :huh:
you want some constructive advice.. here.. i'll give you some.. listen real close here ok.. take you piss poor attitude and camera.. and stick it up your sensitive @$$! ok.. don't ever try and rip off other swic members again.. and don't ask for advice if you are not willing to hear all of it. I dont care what you know or think you know.. because I promise I know it to and then a whole lot more.. and I was again genuinely concerned and trying to help you.. but mission accomplished for ya here buddy.. now I looked like an ass like you wanted.. and you got your constructive advice too.. how bout that? :mad:

RS-


280-
it would be interesting to see how you set up your compostions with so much experience. Maybe RS will share some of his too without explaining why they are so great

austin

no one would ever learn anything! if the great photographers did not explain why their works are so great. your bottomless ignorance is quite impressive. I was not born a pro and was not born with the skills or knowledge I have today.. I learned it from the worlds greatest.. because I shut my damn moth and let them explain.. and listened.. and when i wanted to know something.. i asked them respectful questions.. not cocky challenging ones like you did in this thread. I would be more than willing to share my work, experience and vast knowledge with anyone on this forum as I have.. Unless they are wise guy punks such as yourself. I feel sorry for folks like you.. because with your attitude, you will always know nothing as you do now about the subject at hand - andy

The D50 doesn't shoot RAW???? ok maybe you should look up some features of a non cannon camera, cause unless my camera is lying to me im shooting RAW. And im not interested in anyone elses photography to magically make myself better I am just interested in photography and enjoying looking at someones art work.

hmm.. that is pretty funny! :o they must have really hit it and re worked that just before they released the camera in 05. in the trade mags I get they dont really talk about these cameras much except when they are coming out or re designed. last time I read up on the D50 in depth really interested was when the camera was about to come out in the us. it was designed as a no frills low end entry level to try to take some of the business from canon since they had over 80% in that nitch.. anyhow, it was not designed with the power or architecture for raw format... it only does 2.5 frames per second in jpg.. while my 20D does 5 per sec in raw.. it also takes sd cards and such.. so it is very odd that they ended up doing this because the infrastructure isnt really there.. but hey.. why not.. as long as its not JPG.. i guess ? on nikon USA they do say it does NEF raw format... but it does have some compression unlike other cameras from other manufactures like canon, minolta.. its also only 5MB in raw too?? which also makes no sense?? and most of the big retailers like newegg.com and such online don't recognize it as having raw format but they do the D70 which is also strange.. so i'm not sure what the deal is.. it would be interesting to do raw + jpg.. not sure if that camera can do that.. would be real slow with an SD card.. but to see if there is a noticeable difference between the jpg and the raw on your specific camera.. on mine its night and day.. but its kinda odd with your D50.. it would be interesting.. because nothing is really written in stone here?!

ahh this thing was being pretty gay and not letting me put up my images. if you click the links.. it should take you to thumbs of some of my pics.. nothin special.. a few pics off my last card from over break. probably not as artistic as you are looking for.. they are all landscapes.. maybe ill show you some of my good stuff some day lol. - andy



http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f348/shotgun2685/1.jpg

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f348/shotgun2685/2.jpg

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f348/shotgun2685/3.jpg

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f348/shotgun2685/4.jpg

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f348/shotgun2685/359099576whzUWU_ph.jpg

just a fyi.. these were not really screwed with at all either like in photoshop. act I don't think any of the were messed with at all. a good photographer wont really adjust nature shots.. I did use a few filters though.. any questions? shoot em over

very nice, impressive.
Check out the D50 again, not that it will compare anywhere near your camera but it does have a lot more capabilities then whatever it was that you read last. It does shoot raw, im not sure if there is a max size but i think some of mine have been as large as 8mb or so, not sure. It does do jpeg and raw together, however the jpegs are only in basic quality in this mode which is a disadvantage over the cannons. Yes it only shoots 2.5fps but that is in raw and with my 60x card it can shoot a continuous 2.5fps in raw until the card is full. I don't believe that speed is any disadvantage of the sd card, however they do only go up to 2gb, and since i have recently learned about the world of online camera sales and deals I found a 2gb sandisk ultra 2 sd for $90.
Thanks for sharing some of your photographs, that would be awsome if you have some of your things from magazines and such. I would also apreciate any advice you have for a beginer photography enthusiast like myself. Just don't asume that because I have a D50 that I know nothing about photograpy or always shoot in auto mode. thanks
austin

thanks man. yea I just took a look with a little finer tooth comb vs a hockey stick at the D50 and 70. if I was starting from scratch I'd still go with the rebel but thats way in the past. If I were in your shoes, I wouldn't buy the D70. because they ended up tacking on most of the things that they were not going to in order to make you buy the D70 in the beginning over the 50. A desperate last minute thing to try and steal as much business from canon.. but good for all of us consumers non the less. Good rivalry, good game, because we will end up with better cameras for less. anyhow, yea what I would do if I were you.. is start saving to invest into stuff for your camera.. its gonna cost you a bundle, but if this is what you are really into.. then why not?! you dont really need a shutter cable.. because you can use the timer for long exposure so you don't shake.. but lenses and FILTERS are the big things you want. photoshop is a great tool.. and you can emulate all these things.. but people are too dependent on it... shooting for the edit.. and maxing out their pics digitally with all these corrections. if you can do these things in camera.. you are just way better off. crappy part is.. you have to buy one of each filter in different sizes for each lens.. color correction filters are a big thing! in the beach pic.. with pier at manhattan beach, ca I used a really wide angle lens called a fish eye. the sky was also not that color shade.. it was a deeper orange which is boring... they are always like that.. so i dropped either a yellow or a amber or maybe a magenta.. I can't remember. and that is how you get those amazing rich vibrant colored photos.. not photoshop but through proper usage of filters. on the flower . the blue lilly.. I used a polarizer filter which knocked down the harsh light at specific angles and richens up the pic. sunlight is blue.. and so is the sky .. so it all gets washed out.. when shooting during the day.. you want to use neutral density filters.
this is the only way for your broad daylight pics to come out vibrant like mine.. not all light, bright and washed out. if you are in a situation that is conducive.. use a tri pod when you can. then you can take longer exposures without shake.. or having to compromise image quality. I used a tripod on all the photos I showed you. Time exposures are also very artistic because what ever moves blurs.. like in the pier shot... notice how the water looks... like a steamy swamp vs an ocean. put your iso all the down.. 100 on mine.. maybe 200 on yours... get a tripod... set the shutter for about 15 seconds.. expose and dont move the camera... you get one of those freeway shots where the lights are a blur in a solid line. since you are not a pro.. you should normally not be rushed.. which is nice! so go out there and bracket.. meaning take 3 or so pics of the same subject with slightly different setting.. shutter and such.. and slightly different angles too... take as many pics as you can of everything.. that important. it not like snipers one shot one kill.. could be 3 rolls no kill.. so shoot many pics! thats a good start for ya -- andy

Thanks for the tips, I have actually already decided to keep the D50 body and ordered the nikon 18-70 lens (the one on the D70, D70s and D200, by far the biggest advantage of the D70s over the D50). Now I essentaly have a D70s without a few features, but still the same image sensor and lens at least. Filters are another thing that I know a little about from film SLR's but not a ton when it comes to digital. I really liked some of the effects that I got from filters when using film but I have gotten little good advice on filters for digital. Everyone is doing exactly what you said, relying way too much on photoshop, even many of the pros that I have talked to in the area! The effects of the slow shutter in the first pic was one of the first things that i noticed, i love the look that it creates! As for know I have not bought a tripod yet, much of my photography will be when im backpacking and hiking so it doesnt do me much good there. I will be using the new lens %100 of the time for now, however this weekend I am going to the San Diego Zoo and am thinking about renting a longer lens from a shop there. Since the 18-70 will be my primary lens for a long wile I think next I will load up on a set of filters for it. I think first I am going to get a polarizing filter and medium density. What are the differences in medium density filter numbers and which would be the best to start out with? Oh and also with the new lens I bought a 2gb card, I have a 512 now and fill up it up with the 70 or so it can hold in no time. Currently I am doing just as you said, shooting from different angles and different settings. Trying to both learn the digital world and loving it at the same time with the ability to shoot so many pictures with out changing film or paying extra for developing.

thanks
austin

yea exactly.. Once I was done with my first 4 photo classes 101-104.. I promised my self I would never fumble around in the dark again..thats when i got my DSLR.. plus developing yourself or having someone do it is crazy expensive. Kinda sad though, Nikon just stopped making film cameras... Thats another big nail in the coffin, I'm sure others will eventually follow.. but the big determining factor will be when the film companies can no longer stay in business because of no demand.Film is a beautiful thing.. But digital is def getting better and better. Anyhow, to answer your question on the filters.. as I was discussing with 280.. the digital image sensor changes your images a bit.. mostly in the form of adding light where it normally would not be in film.. like fall outs to black around the edges are not really able to be done with proper exposure in camera with digital... and stuff like that. but for the most part.. the principals and filter use is pretty much the same. The colored filters are normally used in B&W photography which is a personal fav of mine.
its makes them look vibrant rather than the dull hum drum ones you see sometimes. But you can use them in color like that pier pic.. which I lied.. it was redondo not manhattan lol you can see how that can work in color on that pic though. The polarizer is a good one to have around.. it works some what the same as a neutral density or ND filter.. but the different is.. it does not have its effect evenly like a ND.. if that makes any sense. You can rotate the filter while looking through your lens and change the way it tames light in a specific area. Where the ND filter has an even effect over the entire pic.. As far was which number is best???.. that is up to you as the photographer depending on the situation. They come in different numbers though.. and each number determines how much light is being blocked.. this is being done with out changing the colors and stuff though.. Alot of times these are used to get the best exposure.. yet allow you to open up aperture to get a longer shutter speed so you can get that blur during the day. this is especially important with shorter lenses. like the ones you have. for example... you are hinking in sedona or somethin ok.. and you come upon this waterfall.. but its like 1 oclock and broad day light.. but you want to have the water look all crazy cool like the pier pic. if you had your camera at the MINIMUM iso 200... your f stop would most likely be between 11 and 22 depending on the lens and type of metering and all that.
being up in that range though.. there is no way possible to use selective focus... meaning you have part of it blurry through depth of field.. and there is also no way to be able to have a slower shutter speed to get the time exposure blur.. SO what you would do is bust out a few neutral density filters.. say your min aperture on your lens is a 5.6 and that is what you need.. but you are at a 16... each ND filter brings you down a specific number of stops with out it being noticeable.. so maybe you throw on a ND 8.. or maybe a ND 2 and a 4. it also makes the colors warm because it takes away the harshness you don't want. last thing for now you MUST get is a what they call a skylight filter in motion pictures or UV filter in still photography. You never want to have a naked lens.. lenses are fragile, expensive, sensitive and are not really supposed to get dust on them, be wiped or touched at all. So the UV filter does a few things... it is put on and should not ever be taken off unless its screwed up or needs to be replaced. this has virtually no effect on your photos.. during the day.. it will help take away a bit of that bright hue you get when shooting and look cleaner.. but the UV filter does not block the amount of light, change the f stop or the color or anything like that.. and has NO effect at night either. your other filters will screw right into it as well. last thing it does is prolongs the life of your sensor.. just like the sun ruins yours eyes.. it ruins the sensor too.. the uv filter protects like good sunglasses

if I were you i would look on ebay for some of this.. i got some filters for my 18-55 mm crap lens the camera came with on ebay and they are actually pretty good filters. I mainly got it for the UV filter.. but it was a UV, polarizer and FLD ( which takes the green hue away from florescent lights.. because they are 24-2800 kelvin so its like puke green so it has a slight magenta correction ) the kit was like 17 bucks plus 8 for shipping or something.. not bad.. then you can pick up a ND set for prob about the same maybe? on ebay.. just remember to make sure its the right size.. - andy

Thaks, i also did some more reading on filters. I understand them all much better now, doesnt a polorizer also add extra contrast, i was thinking about getting one mostly for this reason. And I have been looking around for a uv filter since I ordered my lens. I saw the really cheap ones on ebay but I was going to ask you about them before i get one there. How was the quality on the filters you got? Im not real worried about the uv since it is pretty simple but are the cheapy polorizer, nd and color filters any good? I see some of the B+W filters and othes that are charging $300 for a filter can a $15 ebay one be anywhere in the same ballpark, are these the filters you are still using on your setup?

okay, so I've read through this whole thing and I like the opinions and tips I'm seeing so I thought I would continue on this thread.

I'm an amateur and very new to photography. I've learned a lot about composition from using a digi P&S. Now I want to step it up. I've decided to go with the D50 because I believe it to be a better overall value. Plus, I've got access to a lot of lenses from my sister-in-law, so that will save me from having to buy a lot of stuff.

My question I have right now is should I get the 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 or the 28-80mm f/3.3-5.6? I don't really have a reason for choosing either one except the 28-80 is about $100 cheaper. Since they are both nikkor lenses, what, generally speaking, what would be the difference between the two lenses?

Oh, I believe my primary subject is going to be nature. I plan to take it hiking a lot. The other subject I'll most likely focus on is people in natural situations, not portraits.

I hope that's enough info to get an answer. Let me know if not.

Joel

hey joel.. I was actually browsing for something specific and happened to come by this thread again.. crazy stuff.. good choice on stepping up to a DSLR if you are at all serious about photography. I never really understand these open ended statements like the D50 is a better overall value.. better value than what? D70, rebel, 20D, finpix? cameras are probably the most subjective thing on the planet.. and each manufacture makes theirs a bit different than the others.. you can never REALLY compare an SLR to an SLR in the digital realm... they all have their own twist.. and maybe one twist is better for you than the other.. but unless you get the SAME camera for 100 cheaper than another store.. I can't see how one is a better value over the other based on facts because they are all different for different uses depending on the users needs..? sorry, I hope I don't seem like an ass... just curious because I always get a different answer to that question and haven't really been sold yet?? can you do it?? hahaha anyhow, to answer your question! in short... if they are infact both the same minimum aperture as you listed.. I would personally take the 28-80 mm for nature purposes.. although your camera sees through neither at those values because of the magnification rate.. they are still both fairly wide on the low end. for scenery.. zoom is more important anyways.. the biggest difference is the cropping effect. the longer the focal length in mm's the less you can physically see in the picture.. also the longer the focal length.. the more squished together thing will look and feel and the opposite for lower focal length. on a standard 35mm film SLR or motion picture camera.. 50mm is the exactly the same as a human eye. with a 35mm slr and 50 mm lens.. close one eye and squint through the other.. this is exactly how your picture will look at proper exposure... lighting and composition wise. D50 is less than 35 mm frame.. so 50mm has some croping over what I just explained.. however, at the 1.6X magnification rate.. both are under 50mm.. the 18-55 mm is actually considerably wider than what I explained. so, close one eye and look at what you see that is what the 28mm will be closest too.. then, take 5 big steps backwards, close the one eye again and look at what you see.. this is what the
18mm will be closest too.. you will see more overall with the 18mm... BUT.. the 28mm is close to what the human eye would see... and has more zoom power even though it is still weak sauce at 80mm.. I have a 500mm lens.. which is decent zoom for some stuff in nature.. what are your other lenses you can get?? does what I said make any sense to you? always remember the camera does not see things how you do.. NOT EVEN CLOSE... andy

I've only compared it to the rebel xt and it seems a better value to me since everywhere I go, the d50 is about $200 cheaper. I just did a side by side comparo on dpreview and I don't think I'll be missing out too much on the features of the rebel. the d50 will still take high quality pictures (assuming I can take high quality pictures :)) That's what I meant by better overall value. I believe it's a minimal drop in quality and features, considerable drop in price. Like you said though, what's important to me is not always important to others. For me, unfortunately, price is a big factor for me. An extra $200 on top of the memory card, case, and lenses isn't easy for me to come by. The price of the camera alone stretches my wallet.

That said, the store I was looking at buying the d50 from (bestpricecameras.com) just put the rebel on sale for $549 with an 18-55mm lens. I may stick with the nikon d50 though, because I have a 70-300mm lens from an advantix slr that I bought a few years back. I didn't really use that camera because it was pretty expensive to buy and develop film.

I thought the sister-in-law had a more extensive collection of lenses. Turns out I was wrong, really wrong. She doesn't have any lenses except for the 28-80 kit lens. hahaha. She worked at a camera store awhile back and she was borrowing them from her store. I do like the 28-80 lens though. It makes it easy to take candids of people from across the room.

huge bummer today. I ordered a D50 this morning and when they called to verify the order, I find out that it doesn't come with a battery. Something about it being an overseas model. I would've had to buy a battery and charger and I would've spent the same amount if I just bought it here. Needless to say I cancelled the order.

oh dude that sux!! yea you don't want any piece of any overseas models or gray market stuff.. you can not warranty them here in the us. I know these cameras are expensive and can be a stretch, but I would recommend saving longer and being as patient as you need to be in order to buy one for a reputable legit place. SLR's even low end ones like the D50 are no joke and very complicated and expensive. therefore you want to be sure you have the full warranty and valid model so you can get an extended warranty if you want later as well.. My canon for the body, kit lens and memory card was just about 2 grand... if something went wrong with it like a few months down the road after getting it and they wouldn't touch it because it was an illegal model for foreign export.. I'd shoot myself because a bargain still would have been over 1100 for the package. which is a lot considering I am not a career photographer, I am actually a cinematographer... my photography work, although has been published, is done for free. so that is a bummer dude.. but look at it like this... the D50 might be a better deal than the higher end more expensive rebel XT..
but it's not a deal at all if there is a major problem and you have to start throwing money in for parts or repairs.. that said.. I got mine from a totally legit place on ebay... it was only like 150 less and free shipping.. but he was 100% legit.. in new jersey by the canon factory.. The best place though I reccomend to everyone where I get most of my stuff is newegg.com.. best and biggest online for 100% legitimacy

huge bummer today. I ordered a D50 this morning and when they called to verify the order, I find out that it doesn't come with a battery. Something about it being an overseas model. I would've had to buy a battery and charger and I would've spent the same amount if I just bought it here. Needless to say I cancelled the order.


GO TO COSTCO!!!!!!!

when my bro was visiting me, he picked up and D50, 18-55 lenses, came with battery, charger, usb cable and a (albeit small) 256 SD card for $630.

sure you could try to find it from some online scam shop for 50-100 bux cheaper, but you'll likely run into similar problems like you said.

-M

Canon has the fastest digital SLR in the world.. 1D Mark IIN 8 pics per second... brand new camera.. amazing!!!!

No - 4 fps max 32 JPEG, 11 RAW
Nikon D2X - 5 fps @ 12 mp, 8 fps @ 6.8 mp (cropped)

Highest Resolution Digital camera in the world.. 1D'S MarkII 17 megapixles -

unless you get to the real high end, like around 22 mp + digital backs http://www.leaf-photography.com/pages/products/Aptus22.aspx

Only full frame 35mm sensors on digital still cameras in the world.. 5D and 1D's Mark II

wrong - Nikon D2X




First and foremost, its all a matter of opinion. Having used the D2X, owning a D70 (major difference between s and non-s is a firm ware upgrade you can get online, and the larger preveiw screen on the s), used a rebel XT and a MarkII.. I made my choice on the camera based on how much I enjoyed using each, and how the worked for me.

If someone is really that interested in photography, find a local, reputable camera shop, not ritz, or wolf, but a real camera shop, and chat with the employees, test out in store, or pay money to rent each one you like and make a decision for yourself, dont blow your wad on what some guy online says is the hot **** at the moment, cuase a new one will be out in a few months that spec's out better than the rest.

-M

double post!

First and foremost, its all a matter of opinion. Having used the D2X, owning a D70 (major difference between s and non-s is a firm ware upgrade you can get online, and the larger preveiw screen on the s), used a rebel XT and a MarkII.. I made my choice on the camera based on how much I enjoyed using each, and how the worked for me.

If someone is really that interested in photography, find a local, reputable camera shop, not ritz, or wolf, but a real camera shop, and chat with the employees, test out in store, or pay money to rent each one you like and make a decision for yourself, dont blow your wad on what some guy online says is the hot **** at the moment, cuase a new one will be out in a few months that spec's out better than the rest.

-M

this is good respectable and logical advice.. If the traut was that logical in the beginning this thread wouldn't have even prob been as long or filled with as much good info. Like you were saying picking a camera is 90% subjective in the end... but, initially when I asked austin why for that amout of money he wasn't going to get a rebel.. and he told me the nikons were far superior to the canons.. this is not the case and still not the case.. we went back and fourth a bit.. got a bit pissy at times lol.. but in the end we were cool and agreed his camera was great for the money and more than he needed.. and his initial opinion was right for him but not fact based.
when this thread was on.. the new nikon D2X was not out yet.. but now, congratulations nikon for having a full frame SLR that compete with the Canon 1D's mark II. it only took three years... but the D2X is a nice camera non the less. each company has their own niche. canon has the professionals and nikon has the consumers..

GO TO COSTCO!!!!!!!

when my bro was visiting me, he picked up and D50, 18-55 lenses, came with battery, charger, usb cable and a (albeit small) 256 SD card for $630.

sure you could try to find it from some online scam shop for 50-100 bux cheaper, but you'll likely run into similar problems like you said.

-M
that is an amazingly cheap price!!!! wow.. even a bit better than new egg.. i'd buy it from them!

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Originally Posted by mikey04Wagon
Originally Posted by SubyRSdriver
Canon has the fastest digital SLR in the world.. 1D Mark IIN 8 pics per second... brand new camera.. amazing!!!!

No - 4 fps max 32 JPEG, 11 RAW
Nikon D2X - 5 fps @ 12 mp, 8 fps @ 6.8 mp (cropped)

Highest Resolution Digital camera in the world.. 1D'S MarkII 17 megapixles -

unless you get to the real high end, like around 22 mp + digital backs http://www.leaf-photography.com/pag...ts/Aptus22.aspx

Only full frame 35mm sensors on digital still cameras in the world.. 5D and 1D's Mark II

wrong - Nikon D2X



oops I screwed up there.. I am pretty sure nikon has come out with a newer better camera than the D2X.. I forgot what it was called, maybe they didn't.. I am not 100% sure.

But I know for a fact who ever wrote this weather it was new or older in the thread was wrong. D2X is not full frame 35mm sensor.. it is 23.7 x 15.7 mm CMOS sensor.. this is an ungodly difference.

the 1D mark II is 4 fps max 32 JPEG, 11 RAW.... the 1D mark II N is new.. and is 8.3 FPS at full resolution.. 8.2 megapixles and 48 jpgs and 22 raw..

to the best of my knowledge as of now after searching a bit.. nikon still has no full frame sensor camera. this is a big deal. if they do.. then my bad and I would like to see it.. again the canons are designed for pro's and the nikons have a niche market with consumers with their lower end cameras. if you were a pro and spent 5K on that D2K versus the same priced canons, I have a gun for you to shoot your self with.. 23mm sensor is a pure joke in professional imaging. but I 100% recommend the nikons for consumers as a professional.. 5 grand could get you a huge turbo or something cool as you won't use the features of these higher end canons any how - andy

when this thread was on.. the new nikon D2X was not out yet.. but now, congratulations nikon for having a full frame SLR that compete with the Canon 1D's mark II. it only took three years... but the D2X is a nice camera non the less. each company has their own niche. canon has the professionals and nikon has the consumers..

Your posts are spoken like a true Canon fanboi :rolleyes:
Many, many professionals use Nikon with world class results.
Now all the measurebating you have done in this thread is really quite pointless, as many of the features you're cheerleading are lost on most amateurs.
Additionally, the difference between the brands is so minute right now that anyone who knows what they are doing can take equally top notch images regardless of which camera they are using. Ergonomics and how the camera feels to you should be the bigger issue as to what someone's choice of cameras should be.

I have a friend who shoots for Canon, has photos in their catalogs and is a Canon Explorer of Light and he is regularly impressed with the images from my Nikon

The D2x is not a "full frame" camera, it uses the DX format. Full frame is just another format and not everyone needs or wants it. The smaller chip actually works to my advantage.
Canons "Full frame" has it's own set of problems like soft edges and vignetting with wide angle lenses and chromatic aberrations.



I was referring to single lens reflex cameras when I was giving those facts.. and that is not a SLR... it's a medium format camera which would never be compared to a SLR.

Hate to break it to you, but most medium format cameras are SLR cameras, but you're a "pro" so you knew that right?
And people compare DMF to D35mm all the time, because the image quality is not $20k better, which makes it hard to justify. Most of the photographers that are buying them are high end fashion shooters and buy them for the way the camera handles and how it changes the way they shoot and not so much for the difference in image quality.


You keep spewing you're a "professional" but as far as I can tell from your own words, you are a student that takes pretty landscape photos, paid to join some union, and entered a few contests, whoopedy doo! :rolleyes:
That is a far cry from creating images that have to meet client demands and making a living from taking photos.

You're pretty cocky for someone, who is barely old enough to have enough real world experience in the photo industry to be making the claims you are

again the canons are designed for pro's and the nikons have a niche market with consumers with their lower end cameras. if you were a pro and spent 5K on that D2K versus the same priced canons, I have a gun for you to shoot your self with.. 23mm sensor is a pure joke in professional imaging. but I 100% recommend the nikons for consumers as a professional.. 5 grand could get you a huge turbo or something cool as you won't use the features of these higher end canons any how - andy

Wow! You really are talking out your ass. Perhaps you should grow up a bit.

FYI Canons equivalent camera is $4k more than the D2x and Nikons equivalent to the 5D is less than half the price, you could have bought a huge turbo with the money you save.
You should go shoot yourself if you spent all that extra money on the Canons for little to no benefit :rolleyes:

Uh, yeah, Morgan.

Step away

Uh, yeah, Morgan.

Step away

Kekekekeke! :devil:

Your posts are spoken like a true Canon fanboi :rolleyes:

You keep spewing you're a "professional" but as far as I can tell from your own words, you are a student that takes pretty landscape photos, paid to join some union, and entered a few contests, whoopedy doo! :rolleyes:
That is a far cry from creating images that have to meet client demands and making a living from taking photos.

You're pretty cocky for someone, who is barely old enough to have enough real world experience in the photo industry to be making the claims you are

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
-M

yea, so some professionals use nikons and have world class results.. Big deal? like I said, I made my own camera and have taken world class pictures with it? what's your point? this still doesn't make the nikons better than the canons. fact is, look in most nikon forums and most nikon enthusiasts are dying for a full frame nikon.. these small issues you talk about with the full frame canon can be easily combated or fixed.. it is small ***** compared to the cropping and distortion of the usage of lens projecting a 35mm image on a 23mm frame.. but a big shot like you probably knew that didn't you? fact is 80% of the pro's world wide use canon, fact is like it or not, nikons lag far behind canons or I'd prob have a nikon since I have a nikon film SLR and lenses, fact is the difference between the canons and nikons are bigger than you state. and thank you captain obvious for telling me for the 10 millionth time a medium format uses a single lens reflex viewing system... no kidding.. so do most motion picture cameras too.. still can't be compared to a regular SLR camera. it is still a totally different aspect ratio, different lenses, film or sensor,and everything.. completely different image.. I have a film one as well.. thanks for playing along though chump.. your worthless BS was quite the entertaining read... I have personally met mikey04wagon in person.. he is a cool guy who is super chill and nice. He had good advise for the guy who asked and he had a store with a great price.. you on the other hand are a punk looking for a fight.. and you are looking in the wrong place. You are damn right I am cocky. I was one of 3 accepted out of over 10K + applicants who applied to USC school of film... I was choses as one of the best of the best based on my professional portfolio.. I will be working with the best in the world and will most likely go on to make feature films.. if you want to see some of my articles and works.. next time you are at the store you can see them in digital photographer and other publications.. and if you want to have an in-depth discussion on the subject why don't you PM me and loose the attitude so I don't feel the urge to make you look foolish. again if its a fight your looking for bro.. I'll make ya look stupid.. age means nothing.. Orson wells was 23 when he made citizen Kane.. and nearly destroyed hearst.. the donald trump of the time.. that was quite a film.. and you are quite ignorant. have fun with the nikon and happy shooting - andy

So what do you want, a cookie?


You still have some froth on your mouth, you may want to wipe that off before you go to class.

Oh and I HAVE been working in the photo industry with the best in the world for the past 14 years, you're not impressing me.

Nice use of paragraphs chief :rolleyes:.


Good luck with your career, with your pompous attitude, you will fit in with the Hollywood crowd perfectly :lol:

So what do you want, a cookie?


You still have some froth on your mouth, you may want to wipe that off before you go to class.

Oh and I HAVE been working in the photo industry with the best in the world for the past 14 years, you're not impressing me.

Nice use of paragraphs chief :rolleyes:.


Good luck with your career, with your pompous attitude, you will fit in with the Hollywood crowd perfectly :lol:

You tell him Mopho!! I have seen some of your pics, they are sick!! Remember that one i photchopped? LOL ahh goodtimes..

haha... yea that's what I thought... figured you would have some lame wise @ss off topic thing to say considering you pretty much had no where else to go with it.. and who is the pompous one here? you came in looking for a fight quoting things from months ago where the original poster and I had been talking and were cool in the end. and then another person had a question.. and then mr I've got 15 worthless years comes in and attacks me versus using that bs experience to help out another member.. so who is the wise guy here huh? That's fine your not impressed there is no need to be.. and who cares about paragraphs? did you use them or anyone else's? I don't think so.. and you cited me as being to young and immature but you attacked me for no reason, then, after I put you in your place, ask me if I want a cookie... that cute.. and you are so mature yourself.. what are you 45 going on 19..
I'm not impressed with you 15 years either... lets see what you got here big shot.. throw up some stuff and quit talking about it.. and I am a contract photographer for superstock inc, and imagestate.. so don't go ripping off pictures from the net posting them as yours.. I have full access to the data base and that would be funny if you posted one of mine... lol.. and ya if ya wanna keep being a homo.. i'll take a cookie for that too... funny how you site my attitude.. ever heard the expression takes one to know one? -- andy

lets see what you got here big shot.. throw up some stuff and quit talking about it.. and I am a contract photographer for superstock inc, and imagestate.. so don't go ripping off pictures from the net posting them as yours.. I have full access to the data base and that would be funny if you posted one of mine... lol..
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=957416
http://www.subaru.net/media/photos/list.php?Season=2005&Gallery=23-pikes_peak_international_hill_climb

A few i found with a quick search of his name.. Seems pretty damn impressive to me.

Mopho is a professional photographer.

Pick up a Car & Driver some day and read the Photo Credits.

Here, let me help you...

http://www.caranddriver.com/comparisons/10776/hummer-h3-jeep-grand-cherokee-laredo-4wd-nissan-xterra-off-road-4wd-toyota-fj-cruiser-4wd.html

so don't go ripping off pictures from the net posting them as yours.. I have full access to the data base and that would be funny if you posted one of mine... lol.. and ya if ya wanna keep being a homo.. i'll take a cookie for that too... funny how you site my attitude.. ever heard the expression takes one to know one? -- andy

Wow, that has to be the most anally-extracted comment I've read all week.

Wow, that has to be the most anally-extracted comment I've read all week.


lol.. that was pretty douche.. haha glad I can entertain you! Isn't that what this site is all about? that and learning and networking.. I understand you guys are looking out for your friend..and I respect that.. and I respect him.. I'm not really an ass in real life.. I had to be on here for work all day.. So I am pretty bored.. But I am not sure why he decided to go after me for no reason... because he has an inferiority complex.. or superiority complex.. I am not sure.. but I figured I would give him a taste of his own medicine because he obviously has just as large of an ego and chip on his shoulder as I do which he tried to fault me for. that was a lame thing for him to do and pretty unfounded.. no one started with him first and it was not really called for out of the blue.. starting back in with him was lame too don't get me wrong but you get my point.. And maybe if he comes on and decides not to get into a pissing match.. he can share some photos and experiences of his choice.. because the photos I have seen so far are strictly so so... but he didn't not link them up himself.. and I would hope someone who came out of no where to blast me would have something far better than those to show.. the composition is .. well.. ok... some of them are poor but they are action so that is hard but they could have been cropped down..? and some of the pans.. especially that one of the red ESX looking one he totally missed focus on that one and the picture noticeably blurry.. many of these little things are very amateurish in nature.. but I will give you the benefit of the doubt here.. lets have a civil convo and such.. I do personally enjoy creative convo and collaboration with other pro's... - andy

also for the record.. photography is a hobby... I am a cinematographer.. there is a night and day difference.. cinematography requires far more knowledge, skill, technique and such as it is moving pictures that imitate life..not just capturing a still image.. we capture between 4 and 64 still images per second. it is very complex and difficult which is why even medicore cinematographers make 4-6 thousand a week in hollywood.. and well known ones over 10K per week.. we take the very essence of still photography and bring it to life..

also for the record.. photography is a hobby... I am a cinematographer.. there is a night and day difference.. cinematography requires far more knowledge, skill, technique and such as it is moving pictures that imitate life..not just capturing a still image.. we capture between 4 and 64 still images per second. it is very complex and difficult which is why even medicore cinematographers make 4-6 thousand a week in hollywood.. and well known ones over 10K per week.. we take the very essence of still photography and bring it to life..
Once again, wanna cookie?

I would love one

Once again, wanna cookie?


and what do you do for a living? are you just a fan club or are you a photographer as well?

and what do you do for a living? are you just a fan club or are you a photographer as well?

JUST STOP TALKING!!

Your gonna dig yourself into a hole that you will never get yourself out of. Do you realize the amout of credibility you have lost due to your attitude, smart assed replies, and pigheadedness of having to get the last word. And popping off to someone who has MODERATOR under his name is a great way to get banned from a forum based website. Your 20 yrs old, and have some decent schoolin under your belt. Good job. Congrats to you for staying focused. BUT the title of this thread was

Anyone want to buy a Nikon D50??!! (showthread.php?p=13222537#post13222537) Not "Which SLR Manufacturer do you spank it to every nite" , my point being you drug the thread off topic, and you shutting you mouth would allow this thread to die or get back on topic.

So once again JUST STOP TALKING.

-M

I'm a Web Developer who does photography as a hobby, but I'm a friend of Mopho's, and I know his work.

I've also assisted him on several shoots.

And, for the record, I'm a Canon Fan....
http://www.williwood.com/images/misc/cam_rig.jpg

I know that Mopho can be a bit combative at times, but I can say that he DOES know what he's talking about. Remember, you're the one who came in here and started swinging his dick around first.

JUST STOP TALKING!!

lol relax dude... ur cali.. right? chilll?

I'm a Web Developer who does photography as a hobby, but I'm a friend of Mopho's, and I know his work.

I've also assisted him on several shoots.

And, for the record, I'm a Canon Fan....
http://www.williwood.com/images/misc/cam_rig.jpg

I know that Mopho can be a bit combative at times, but I can say that he DOES know what he's talking about. Remember, you're the one who came in here and started swinging his dick around first.

sweet dude.. looks like my bag! and also.. He actually started in with me.. I had been having a one on one convo with some guy.. I think from scic who actually asked for advice.. then bam there mopho was.. but it's all good.. I don't mind.. reminds me of my self sometimes.. I think mr segal and mr steinman ( which is me) have a lot in comon.. i'd like to chat with him sometime.. nice gear though man! - andy

how many time have you had to clean your sensor by the way? I just had mine cleaned for the seond time on my 20D since december..? I don't change lenses much either? prob dusty AZ

I had a few dust issues with my sensor in the beginning, mostly from shooting rally.

But, I just give it a good blast with the air thingy after each event and I haven't had a problem since.

wow.. lucky.. mine was fairly bad.. like you could see lots of ufo looking things on all the sky shots.. then I took off the lens and set it for the cleaning mode with the indefinite mirror lock up and blew off the sensor like the manual stated.. hoping it would help but figuring it wouldnt do much.. so.. after that my pictures were like 99% junk on the sensor and 1 % content.. lol.. so 80 bucks later.. i'm good.. I asked because I saw the ball thing in your bag..

Here's the one shot where I noticed the dust.
http://www.williwood.com/images/misc/sensor/1.jpg
http://www.williwood.com/images/misc/sensor/2.jpg

I spent a good 3 hours shooting at blank walls, trying to find the dust. Finally, I dislodged it with the air blaster, and it's been good ever since.

JUST STOP TALKING!!

Your gonna dig yourself into a hole that you will never get yourself out of. Do you realize the amout of credibility you have lost due to your attitude, smart assed replies, and pigheadedness of having to get the last word. And popping off to someone who has MODERATOR under his name is a great way to get banned from a forum based website. Your 20 yrs old, and have some decent schoolin under your belt. Good job. Congrats to you for staying focused. BUT the title of this thread was

Anyone want to buy a Nikon D50??!! (showthread.php?p=13222537#post13222537) Not "Which SLR Manufacturer do you spank it to every nite" , my point being you drug the thread off topic, and you shutting you mouth would allow this thread to die or get back on topic.

So once again JUST STOP TALKING.

-M

okay then... well pretty funny the thread was dead over a month and some guy asked for advice

"okay, so I've read through this whole thing and I like the opinions and tips I'm seeing so I thought I would continue on this thread.
I'm an amateur and very new to photography. I've learned a lot about composition from using a digi P&S. Now I want to step it up. I've decided to go with the D50 because I believe it to be a better overall value. Plus, I've got access to a lot of lenses from my sister-in-law, so that will save me from having to buy a lot of stuff.
My question I have right now is should I get the 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 or the 28-80mm f/3.3-5.6? I don't really have a reason for choosing either one except the 28-80 is about $100 cheaper. Since they are both nikkor lenses, what, generally speaking, what would be the difference between the two lenses? Oh, I believe my primary subject is going to be nature. I plan to take it hiking a lot. The other subject I'll most likely focus on is people in natural situations, not portraits.
I hope that's enough info to get an answer. Let me know if not.

Joel"

so i answered his question about the lens... then you mention costco which was good..

then you mentioned all this stuff about the D2X half of which was incorrect.. so i corrected that.. then mopho enters the building.. and starts with me.. then I start with him.. I wasn't being disrespectful or pigheaded until someone started with me... also if you look at the entire thread.. yea tempers fly sometimes.. but if it's so off-topic.. after austin and I settled down.. he was asking me all kinds of stuff and advice and filters and all kinds of stuff.. he started thread and he asked for advice.. off topic I think not?! I don't need professional credibility with anyone on this site and that is not being cocky.. My education, work and portfolio speak for themselves.. If someone wants to collaborate i'd love to.. and I wasnt being a smart-ass to any mods.. I wasnt doing anything they weren't doing.. and I don't think he is gonna kick me off for having a convo like this.. nothing serious went down and I have done nothing wrong.. so again relax..

Here's the one shot where I noticed the dust.
http://www.williwood.com/images/misc/sensor/1.jpg
http://www.williwood.com/images/misc/sensor/2.jpg

I spent a good 3 hours shooting at blank walls, trying to find the dust. Finally, I dislodged it with the air blaster, and it's been good ever since.

yea that's like my ufo's... now imagine the entire picture being dominated by that.. and you have a SLR in arizona.. :furious: LOL schmutz

just to add to the OTness of it all...

the advice was helpful. I have to save few $$$ more for my camera. maybe when I have the $$$ hopefully the price will have dropped another $100 or so. I think I'm going to stick with the 28-80. Like I mentioned earlier, it's fun to take candids from across the room.

What sort of extra goodies should I get with it? obviously the memory card as big as possible. I've already got a good tripod. What else? Remember, money is tight with me, so nothing to extravagant. Just starter stuff, really. Filters? Flash? Card reader?

oy, sentences not flowing well together. good night.

just to add to the OTness of it all...

the advice was helpful. I have to save few $$$ more for my camera. maybe when I have the $$$ hopefully the price will have dropped another $100 or so. I think I'm going to stick with the 28-80. Like I mentioned earlier, it's fun to take candids from across the room.

What sort of extra goodies should I get with it? obviously the memory card as big as possible. I've already got a good tripod. What else? Remember, money is tight with me, so nothing to extravagant. Just starter stuff, really. Filters? Flash? Card reader?

oy, sentences not flowing well together. good night.

lol... UV filter is a must.. Neutral density filter is a good idea as is a polarizer. you are at 6 megapixles.. A gig should do you good.. speed of the card is more important than the size.. I'd get the fastest 1 Gig card you can... ridata makes good cards for a good price.. check new egg for sure for this.. I have a 2 gig of theirs.. I like it.. its 80X so its similar to the ultra II.. uv filter first.. them maybe ND filter for daytime stuff.. hot-shoe flash later on if I were you.. get a nice case too.. you want to protect that bad boy ;)

this should become a sticky.. they have a photography techniques stick on rs25.com.. good stuff. while were on the topic again.. I wonder how austin turned out.. if he got the filters.. I didn't realize he asked me another question after I told him about so ebay stuff lol.. if you are out there austin come on back!!

Here's the one shot where I noticed the dust.
http://www.williwood.com/images/misc/sensor/1.jpg
http://www.williwood.com/images/misc/sensor/2.jpg

I spent a good 3 hours shooting at blank walls, trying to find the dust. Finally, I dislodged it with the air blaster, and it's been good ever since.

Downtown Chicago?

JUST STOP TALKING!!

Your gonna dig yourself into a hole that you will never get yourself out of. Do you realize the amout of credibility you have lost due to your attitude, smart assed replies, and pigheadedness of having to get the last word. And popping off to someone who has MODERATOR under his name is a great way to get banned from a forum based website. Your 20 yrs old, and have some decent schoolin under your belt. Good job. Congrats to you for staying focused. BUT the title of this thread was

Anyone want to buy a Nikon D50??!! (showthread.php?p=13222537#post13222537) Not "Which SLR Manufacturer do you spank it to every nite" , my point being you drug the thread off topic, and you shutting you mouth would allow this thread to die or get back on topic.

So once again JUST STOP TALKING.

-M

:lol: Exactly! Your ego and immaturity was too painful to bear witness to and someone had to point out all the BS Canon fanboi crap you were spewing and what an ass you were making of yourself. So I called you out on it and I guess I hit a nerve, you have been blabbering jibberish ever since. It's been pretty funny to watch, I'll give you that :lol:


Look, the pictures you posted are beautiful, and it sounds like you're off to a great start, but your attitude sucks! There was absolutely no reason to turn this thread into a nikon vs canon issue, continually regurgitate the Canon catalog, and constantly reminding everyone how great you are and that you are "pro", so therefore we have to listen to you.
Like I said, being a student, taking landscape photos, and stock photos does not really make you a pro. You are pro when you are making a living from taking photos, run it as a business, and have to meet the demands of clients.
There is a big difference between taking photos for clients and just selling existing photos you took on your own. In many cases, you are handed a pile of crap by your client and you have to figure out how to make a good photo out of it

My clients generally don't know which camera I use and they don't care. I get hired for the quality of work I produce not because of the camera I shoot with. I know a guy who shoots amazing advertising work with a D70. The camera is just a tool and if you know how to use it you will get the job done. Brand is irrelevant

In the consumer market there is very little difference between the camera companies and it is not something for amateurs to concern themselves with. It is people like you, Canons marketing departments wet dream, that have to go out and cheerlead the product and make people believe that it is some kind of superior product
Now the main reason Canon has a bigger market share of pros is because Nikon screwed up their PR when it took so long for the D2x to come out. Nikon was too secretive about the camera and no one thought they had one coming, so they jumped ship in a panic.
It is just like the PC vs Mac, most people have PC's but everyone knows that Macs are better :devil:

he can share some photos and experiences of his choice.. because the photos I have seen so far are strictly so so... but he didn't not link them up himself.. and I would hope someone who came out of no where to blast me would have something far better than those to show.

Those photos linked are what I do for fun and those in particular are not my best work

Here is a temp site that I have been showing while my new website is in the works www.morgansegal.com/latest_work
Here is the current site www.morgansegal.com

Lets see some more of yours

Go Mopho! :banana:

Go Mopho! :banana:

you're everywhere! :lol:

is this scic or SWIC? lol

is this scic or SWIC? lol

Who cares?

If it makes you feel better, I have a house and a car in Prescott and my folks live there too

okay... hold on one second here...! Are you a mac user? because if you are.. then this aimless bickering must come to an immediate end as we are an elite group who "thinks different"... that and I'd see out that piece of **** canon for apple any day of the week... and I'm feeling especially patriotic since I recently upgraded from my imac G5 to a powermac G5 Quad with 2GB of ram and dual 20 inch HD cinema displays complete with final cut pro studio 5.. adobe creative suite 2.. adobe after effects ect... ahhhhhhh.... :D

no, but seriously, your last post was much tamer and more respectable.. If you would have posted like that the first time around there would have never been any issue in the first place.. yea.. I'm canons wet dream.. I'm a huge techno nerd and have no problem with that..I am all about the gear.. it just excites me.. sorry.

and I do recognize your point about rambling on about my accolades and such.. It really pisses me off when people who are novices who know nothing are sitting there arguing with me when they are wrong.. and telling me all this bs.. plus on top of that when they don't take me serious because of my age.. that's war.. and that is where this bad attitude you mention stems from.. this is intensified by the fact that I'm at work on here tired bored antsy and pissy and this all goes down..

in real life off nasioc.. my attitude is know by all as a very good one.. which is what has gotten me my persistent success.. that and the fact I have an ungodly sense of humor and am only really serious when on here lol.

the way you approached me was pretty lame and immature though.. if you would have been more tactful.. I wouldn't have been such a douche bag..
today was an especially long slow day though.. this was a big help in passing time! :lol:

your website is nice.. good stuff.. I am more into the art of it... I could never do what you do commercially as it would ruin a hobby i enjoy very much.. the stuff I sell to imagestate and superstock is as far as I would ever go in pro photography it helps my resume.. again as I am a cinematographer.. I do have a strong background and would be in the expert level of photography as that is my building block.. but I am not for hire..

so I guess that would be touche... but I'm still a hardcore canon.. can you deal with that? most of that bs i was spewing.. it was fun screwing around with the amateurs who asked for something.. then told me how much more than me they knew.. then watching squirm.. lol

so I guess that's all.. I'll post some more pics later.. it's bed time!

and for the record.. segal.. this touche is null & void if you are a pc user :devil: - steinman

wagon monster- here is my sensor before it got really bad.. this is when I was in laguna this winter.. after I noticed this.. I threw it in photoshop and tweaked the colors after removing the ND filter and UV... it got worse than this when i tried to clean it as you did..

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f348/shotgun2685/th__MG_2513copy.jpg (http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f348/shotgun2685/_MG_2513copy.jpg)

wagon monster- here is my sensor before it got really bad.. this is when I was in laguna this winter.. after I noticed this.. I threw it in photoshop and tweaked the colors after removing the ND filter and UV... it got worse than this when i tried to clean it as you did..

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f348/shotgun2685/th__MG_2513copy.jpg (http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f348/shotgun2685/_MG_2513copy.jpg)
Jesus dude, you need to take better care of your sensor. Almost all the dust you get on the sensor comes when changing lenses.

A few things.
1. Try to not change lenses in a dusty environment.
2. When changing a lens, point the body of the camera down, and make sure you do the change as quickly as possible.
3. Make sure your lenses are clean.
4. Every so often, put your camera in "sensor clean" mode and blow out the camera with a dust thing like in my bag.

Downtown Chicago?
Indeed

wow holly crap i didnt know this thread was still going and RS was still making an ass of himself. Ok, you gave a couple decent pieces of advice but that was in the middle of all your canon bragging and nikon bashing. It seems that a few posts got deleted, thats too bad i would be interested to see what you got yourself into now.

As for me I bought an 18-70 lens and love my D50 now. Yes the 18-55 kinda sucks but the 18-70 is an awsome lens and takes pictures just as well as your rebel xt. I actually met mikey04 at a Subaru meet, thats what us real subaru enthusiasts like to do ever now and then. We have gone out shooting a few times and had a good time without any bragging about how is 6 lenses and how his equipment is better then mine. And by the way when are you going to post up more of your pictures, i thought we were gonna see your portfolio.

Thanks for the site link mofo, i like the pics, and your defenition of a pro. I was kinda confused how you are a pro when your not getting paid to TAKE pictures.

oh wow haha so nothing got deleted i just missed the 3rd page, just got done reading it now and i think i have even less respect for rs. So since your such a pro how do you not know how to clean your sensor. Yes those "little ball things" work well for cleaning a sensor, but you probably already knew that since your a pro. And so far mofo has put his work all out for everyone to see, all i have seen of yours is 4 pictures you suposedly just snapped, and didnt do any editing. Didnt you say the first was with a fisheye lense, funny it doesnt have much distortion for a fisheye with no pp.

haha austin... welcome to the party. nothing was deleted.. it's all here.. glad you like the camera. I saw you were at the pavs when i was there. Someone mentioned your name but you were away from the group on the phone.. I believe you had on a blue abercrombie sweater and have curly hair.. I had on a red stanford sweatshirt. I would have loved to talk.. I usually have my 20D and my Panasonic DVX100 with me.. maybe some other time.. And again for the record.. I'm not barging.. I could care less.. if I had a 2 megapixle camera.. I could take equally spectacular pictures.
But I'm done with this nonsense. For whatever reason.. people on this site take me the wrong way.. and don't in real life.. most likely my dark eccentric sense of humor
and sarcasm.. which I mean no offense by.. but many on here just like to grill me.. whatever.. I don't care. yea mopho has a nice site. mine is under construction.. nothing on it works... including the LA phone number or email.. I'm moving to LA this summer.. but you can view.. if you please.. www.andysteinman.com

I am too busy to put pics up at this point.. eventually.. I can do so..

As I mentioned.. I sell my landscapes to superstock.. So I get paid for some of my pics.. I am a cinematographer though..

Also, If you look under the federal governments website, 3/4 of the country are professional photographers lol... digital.... :rolleyes: :lol:

How am I professional, I have a connection at warrner bro's TV studios in LA.. the past 3 years... every summer I have gone and done an internship with them. 03 I was a grip.. 04 and 05 I was on the second unit camera crew.. as I am cinematography student.. because you must be a union member to work on any set in hollywood.. my year as a grip I was an apprentice.. the following year I was inducted into the union.. there are only 75,000 current people employed in the ameican motion picture industry... as crew... out of like hundreds of billions. it's a small pond with many sharks.

does this make me a professional.. sure does... here is the project I worked on summer of 04... second unit does background shots.. like a downtown before they cut to the action ect.. this went on to box 55 million..
http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=hc&id=1808778093&cf=gen

any other questions feel free.. but even medicore respect would be appreciated.. it seems every post.. someone is challenging me.. I have nothing to prove. thx - andy

oh wow haha so nothing got deleted i just missed the 3rd page, just got done reading it now and i think i have even less respect for rs. So since your such a pro how do you not know how to clean your sensor. Yes those "little ball things" work well for cleaning a sensor, but you probably already knew that since your a pro. And so far mofo has put his work all out for everyone to see, all i have seen of yours is 4 pictures you suposedly just snapped, and didnt do any editing. Didnt you say the first was with a fisheye lense, funny it doesnt have much distortion for a fisheye with no pp.


haha.. ahh yea... hate to break it to ya bud.. tempe camera cleans more sensors in a week then you could prob count.. the blower ball doesn't work.. any idea how dirty is in Arizona.. shooting in the desert.. again whatever.. and I didn't use a fisheye huh?.. I don't care that you are an ammeter.. but you really shouldn't challenge an expert bro.. If you look at the clouds.. and the middle versus the edges you will see considerable distortion. the longer then lens you put the adapter on.. combined with the magnification rate with the smaller sensor.. you get a more subtle look.

got that?

How am I professional, I have a connection at warrner bro's TV studios in LA.. the past 3 years... every summer I have gone and done an internship with them. 03 I was a grip.. 04 and 05 I was on the second unit camera crew.. as I am cinematography student. because you must be a union member to work on any set in hollywood.. my year as a grip I was an apprentice.. the following year I was inducted into the union.. there are only 75,000 current people employed in the ameican motion picture industry... as crew... out of like hundreds of billions. it's a small pond with many sharks.

does this make me a professional.. sure does...


No it doesn't!! It makes you a student :rolleyes:



but even medicore respect would be appreciated.. it seems every post.. someone is challenging me.. I have nothing to prove. thx - andy

You will not get any respect until you stop being such a pecker head!

No it doesn't!! It makes you a student :rolleyes:





You will not get any respect until you stop being such a pecker head!

I know, I know.. we can only be young once.. :lol:

When I was an apprentice.. I was not compensated.. for the past two years. I was compensated 1,000 a week plus fringes... how is this not a professional? yea first unit guys get over 2500 a week and Dp's get over 5K a week... but I was compensated.. professional in my booK? do you not agree?

wow haha so nothing got deleted i just missed the 3rd page, just got done reading it now and i think i have even less respect for rs. So since your such a pro how do you not know how to clean your sensor. Yes those "little ball things" work well for cleaning a sensor, but you probably already knew that since your a pro. And so far mofo has put his work all out for everyone to see, all i have seen of yours is 4 pictures you suposedly just snapped, and didnt do any editing. Didnt you say the first was with a fisheye lense, funny it doesnt have much distortion for a fisheye with no pp.


lol do you see this... this is the cause of a pecker head lol!! I guess I should explain to austin here... a long lens and a short lens are opposite.. a short bows thing out.. a long squishes things together.. a fisheye can be mounted on any lens.. the longer lens.. with the more elements.. being the opposite of a wider lens neutralizes the fish eye.. yet there is still noticeable differences as opposed to shooting with just a long lens.. this is a short answer.. not a long winded technical answer.. I think you