PDX Tuning Protune OTS maps vs. Cobb Stage 2 93 Octane! [Archive]

kinada423

02-05-2006, 11:32 PM

Well I have some datalogs comparing the cobb stage 2 93 octane map vs. the over the shelf map I have recieved from PDX tuning and wanted to know if some of the tuning gurus could take a look at these ecuexplorer datalogs and tell me a. which one is safer and b. which one is making more power.

The butt dyno seems to notice holding a lower boost level for longer periods of time with the pdx tune and achieving a shorter more powerful boost with the cobb map.

Any help is greatly appreciated.

Cobb stage 2 ECUexplorer datalog 3rd gear pull (http://kinada423.com/files/pdx_tuning/cobb_stage_2.xls)

PDX Tuning ECUexplorer datalog 3rd gear pull (http://kinada423.com/files/pdx_tuning/pdx_tuning.xls)

Can someone that knows a lot about tuning please take a look at this and give me some feedback.

PDXTuning

02-05-2006, 11:59 PM

Does one feel better than the other?

The ECU chooses to run the same timing with both maps, both maps run the same timing, both run the same air flow. You do not have wide band data so there is no way to say which is safer than the other. It looks like both are working well on your car, and you should run which ever one feels better to you.

Jarrad

kinada423

02-06-2006, 12:18 AM

Jarrad check my email. Huuuge difference with your maps it runs great. I didnt know the base map was the low boost map and that datalog is of your low boost map. After loading my realtime map it makes a world of difference. Very smooth and a tremendous amount of power and no negative knock values at high rpms. I can provide you guys with a realtime map datalog run in 3rd gear if you want to make a flowchart out of it or something.

I will eventually get a tactrix cable so I can do an eginuity readout showing target boost and wastegate duty cycles with your maps vs. the cobb stage 2 93 octane.

PDXTuning

02-06-2006, 12:49 AM

I will get your e-mail when I get to the office tomorrow, glad to hear you like the maps.

Jarrad

JRSCCivic98

02-06-2006, 01:59 PM

From what I can see the PDX maps seem to be running higher positive KC values... which from my findings on my car indicates a more stable map. From the various logs I've seen people with very high positive KC values seem to like their maps better. Some tuners touch both the correction values and the base timing on the maps they build while others just touch the base timing. I believe Cobb only modifies the base timing values and leaves the KC maps alone. Cobb also has a different idea behind their tuning... (high timing with leaner A/F ratios... which don't always perform best for everyone.)

HorsepowerFreaks

02-06-2006, 05:39 PM

KC maps?

STISTL

02-06-2006, 07:09 PM

I want to buy these maps but every time I call PDX i get a machine?.

kingtut12

02-06-2006, 07:12 PM

I want to buy these maps but every time I call PDX i get a machine?.

Leave a message - they always have called me back. Sometimes it takes a few hours, but they do call back.

kinada423

02-06-2006, 08:38 PM

From what I understand they are swamped with work. This happens when you get an overnight community claim to fame and you got every accessport owner that doesn't live near a protuner calling them up. Just bear with them. I did and I am happy with the results.

I mean come on...if you order a part online it takes a few days to get there right :D

PDXTuning

02-06-2006, 09:13 PM

I want to buy these maps but every time I call PDX i get a machine?.

I'm really sorry about that. If you go directly to VM during business hours both lines are currently busy. We need a full time office manager/secretary and some more phone lines..... perhaps by this summer.

To better handle and organize Accessport map upgrades we have just added an online map order form to our website front page.

http://www.pdxtuning.com/mapupgrade.htm

However, for those with specific questions we are happy to communicate by phone or email. If the phone does not work try our generic email address.
sales@pdxtuning.com Several persons monitor this email account over the course of the day so your chances of a timely response are quite good.

Best regards
Bailey - PDXT

PDXTuning

02-06-2006, 09:18 PM

twentynine

02-06-2006, 09:49 PM

To better handle and organize Accessport map upgrades we have just added an online map order form to our website front page.

http://www.pdxtuning.com/mapupgrade.htm

Nice! Thanks Bailey. Although I noticed that this doesn't provide a way to attach our own datalogs. Do you guys need our datalogs to make the PDX maps?

06WRXTR

02-06-2006, 10:11 PM

sorry to hijack...but PDX do you have have OTS tunes for the 06 model wrx's yet?

EnterTheDragon

02-07-2006, 01:49 AM

sorry to hijack...but PDX do you have have OTS tunes for the 06 model wrx's yet?

curious as well. Jarrad and I had talked briefly about getting mine in there but as I understand you guys are busy as all heck. If you have something like this instead I could go stage 2 sooner :)

forced4

02-07-2006, 01:08 PM

:subscribed: I need 02 Stage 2 and a STX legal map. I'll check out the link above.

Zumble

02-07-2006, 01:21 PM

I'm still waiting on Jarrad to get back to me on my FXT.

Suby4life

02-07-2006, 02:41 PM

+1. I left am message and still waiting to hear back.

drfrink24

02-07-2006, 11:00 PM

I just stumbled onto this thread... very interesting stuff.

Does anyone know to what extent they tune?

Fuel,timing,Boost,AVCS, etc...

wrxracer55

02-08-2006, 02:10 PM

I'm interested as well

Zumble

02-08-2006, 02:27 PM

Jarrad says I need a wideband for them to properly do mine. =( It seems if you have a weird setup that isn't common, a live tuner would still be best. But for people with common setups I guess this is still good.

bboy

02-08-2006, 02:57 PM

KC maps?
Knock Correction

legacy_etu

02-08-2006, 04:25 PM

http://www.pdxtuning.com/mapupgrade.htm

Best regards
Bailey - PDXT

What's a map upgrade cost?

anthonyrb98

02-08-2006, 10:35 PM

$150...

gopsu

02-09-2006, 08:20 PM

I also have PDX on my stage 2 WRX equipped with Borla header. Lack of torque experienced with header is no longer a problem with the new map. I highly recommend them.

legacy_etu

02-10-2006, 08:58 AM

$150...

Okay, thanks. I actually found it on their site after poking around a bit.

theicewall

02-16-2006, 10:49 PM

kinada423

02-16-2006, 11:03 PM

First mistake is the pdx tuning datalog i posted was just their base map which doesnt run anything other than stock boost. Although my ignition timing seemed to be different so I need to do a datalog pull running their realtime map in which case my target boost is around 16.5psi.

I was able to run the cobb stage 2 93 octane realtime map after installing the pdx base map for some odd reason. I have since deleted it all off my accessport other than that which was provided for me from pdx tuning because I don't feel like making my 1400 dollar ecu a testing bench. :p

I do notice a much stronger pull with the pdx map and overall the engine feels like it runs "cleaner." Less backfire at around 2krpm when the engine is winding down and when it pulls it feels more "efficient."

One interesting note is the power appears to be more precise. If I run into high rpms in first gear at like 50% throttle I'm nowhere near hitting full boost like I used to. This seems to make the power much more controllable. Although like most maps it appears 75% to 100% throttle will achieve the same boost results. (Reference the enginuity ecu comparison of a stock basemap to understand what i'm talking about if you have any questions.)

Hopefully I will be getting a tactrix cable sometime in the near future so I can load the cobb base map then dump the ecu image using Enginuity. Then run the pdx base map, load the realtime map and then do an ecu image dump. That is the only real way to compare the actual changes they made to my protune map other than dyno results which I can't provide as there is not an awd dyno without reasonable distance of where I live.

I do notice that I achieve full boost at an earlier time and with the realtime map I do hold boost for a longer amount of time at higher rpms before it tapes off.

Hope this helps and sometime in the near future I'll do a datalog with the correct map and append my original post with updated info.

zuczek

03-03-2006, 02:57 AM

Any updates on this?

crazymikie

03-03-2006, 03:41 AM

So the original post says shorter more powerful boost with cobb and longer lower boost levels with pdx.

1) Which is actually making more power?
2) Were you saying somewhere in there that you were using the low boost map?
3) what happens if you use a Cobb base map with a pdx realtime map? Disaster?

Question #3 is an interesting one- some of the maps for the WRX are base only- CL/OL settings and knock correction, for example. The first one probably doesn't make a difference, however, the knock correction could have some bad side effects. For example, let's assume Base Map A runs a lot of KC with very little base ignition timing while Realtime Map B runs very little KC with a lot of base ignition timing. If you run Base A with Realtime B, you very well could end up with an ECU calibration that could detonate. The resulting timing could be overadvanced.

Off the top of my head, this scenario is the most likely to cause problems. If PDX uses the same knock correction maps as Cobb and modifies only the base ignition maps, then it's probably safe to run then in combination with one another. It's probably best just to ask Cobb/PDX what they recommend just to be sure.

Mike

WRXSleeper

03-03-2006, 10:57 AM

^So if PDX is using 16.5psi is that safe to run daily on the stock turbo? Cobb runs 15.8 +/-.5. I assume PDXs maps would lead to the turbo failing sooner??

crazymikie

03-03-2006, 11:15 AM

I guess it _COULD_ but I mean, maybe the turbo will only last 100k miles instead of 110k. I really can't say. FWIW, I run 18psi on my turbo daily. It's still going strong at 37k miles. I know people who have done worse, so I guess it's all relative.

Mike

PDXTuning

03-03-2006, 01:35 PM

Question #3 is an interesting one- some of the maps for the WRX are base only- CL/OL settings and knock correction, for example. The first one probably doesn't make a difference, however, the knock correction could have some bad side effects. For example, let's assume Base Map A runs a lot of KC with very little base ignition timing while Realtime Map B runs very little KC with a lot of base ignition timing. If you run Base A with Realtime B, you very well could end up with an ECU calibration that could detonate. The resulting timing could be overadvanced.

Off the top of my head, this scenario is the most likely to cause problems. If PDX uses the same knock correction maps as Cobb and modifies only the base ignition maps, then it's probably safe to run then in combination with one another. It's probably best just to ask Cobb/PDX what they recommend just to be sure.

Mike

Mike is exactly correct. Do not run PDXTuning real time maps with Cobb base maps. Knock correction is in the base map for WRXs while primary ignition advance is in the real time map. These two map MUST coordinate. The worst circumstance for this scenario could be motor damage.

theicewall

03-03-2006, 02:03 PM

That's what I figured, makes sense.

kinada423

03-08-2006, 12:16 AM

I just wanted to clarify that because for some reason I was able to actually apply the cobb realtime map. I did not run my car with this map but I was under the impression that I would not physically be able to force the ecu to run the cobb realtime map once it was flashed with the PDX map.

As far as an update on the datalog of the PDX map pull that might be a while. My car is currently out of commission as I wait on parts. Got in a little wreck on US129 when i tapped an embankment with my rear end once I hit some cold pavement and lost traction. Should be getting a rear lateral link soon and all accompanying parts so hopefully I can get my baby back on the road soon and get that pdx pull :devil:

forced4

03-08-2006, 02:27 PM

I removed all "Cobb" maps on my AP so I wouldn't accidentally mix PDX and Cobb maps.

:)

-Kevlar-

03-08-2006, 02:44 PM

^So if PDX is using 16.5psi is that safe to run daily on the stock turbo? Cobb runs 15.8 +/-.5. I assume PDXs maps would lead to the turbo failing sooner??

i dont think so.... im cobb stg2 right now (PDX, dont worry youll get a call soon ;) ) and boost is 16.4 :D

theicewall

03-08-2006, 02:58 PM

15.8 + 0.5 is 16.3 man! Your boost gauge is off by 0.1psi, you'd better have that checked out.

-Kevlar-

03-08-2006, 03:22 PM

15.8 + 0.5 is 16.3 man! Your boost gauge is off by 0.1psi, you'd better have that checked out.

it was on read live boost.... :D boost gauge i dont trust. its sitting below 0 when off so i need to do something. can you calibrate the stock gauge?

Thumper23

03-08-2006, 05:46 PM

zuczek

03-08-2006, 06:58 PM

Has anyone actually dyno their car with the Cobb Stg 2 map and the PDX Stg2 map? I want to see if the PDX map makes the same power but in more usable rpm range or does it actually make more power. I'm seriously thinking about getting the PDX maps. Another issue I'm having with Cobb is the "Jerkiness" throughout the gears. When I un-install the AP, car seems to be fine. Also for some strange reason, when I install a resonator in the muffler tip (more backpressure) the car is ALOT smoother. This is the weird thing. I'm running catless.

innova

03-08-2006, 07:14 PM

While I would love to make the drive down to Portland and get a Protune, I'm gonna be unable for a while. For you guys driving STi's, how much of a difference have the PDX maps made for you? Maybe this is something I want to do in the meantime.

I haven't been able to dyno the car yet but I can tell you that the car feels as if it is running a more customized tune then the cobb map. The power curve is much better then stage2 and I am getting a strong 19psi in 3rd and up. It is faster for sure because now I can pull on those pesky C5's from above 60mph :D

I am wondering how my map I purchaced will take to small mods. For example I want to put on a K&N Typhoon short ram intake.

I emailed PDX and got "The K$N will work okay with your tune" - haha *** does that mean? Worse? Small improvement? Who knows?? :D

It is worth the $150 though and of course the 100oct race gas map is a plus :banana:

Thumper23

03-09-2006, 12:05 AM

Sounds good to me. I think I might know where my next $150 is going. :devil:

shady

03-09-2006, 01:25 AM

Hey Phil,
I went and got the PDX maps. A big difference. Its a lot smoother...

Thumper23

03-09-2006, 02:15 AM

Hey Phil,
I went and got the PDX maps. A big difference. Its a lot smoother...

Ok fine, I'll do it. :lol:

txl146

03-11-2006, 12:26 AM

I have noticed you have following parameters logged:

Key Parameters
Mass air flow
throttle opening angle
coolant temp
ignition timing
atmospheric pressure
knock correction
CPC valve duty ratio
Rear O2 sensor
tumble valve position sensor
tumble valve position sensor LEFT
air fuel sensor ratio current #1
air fuel sensor #1

What are KEY parameters that tuners look to determine success of tune?

txl146

03-12-2006, 10:57 PM

I was able to finally get a datalogging today using PDX's STi TMIC map. Based on the following data logging (2nd and 3rd gear pull), isn't there an evidence of knock after 3k rpm.

Jarrad, I have emailed you a few files containing several datalogging. Is this map safe to run in my car or should I switch back to a base map?

list of my mods: 02 WRX 5sp, Borla catback/header, mad dad DP, Perrin UP, Perrin pulley, STi TMIC (USDM), Samco I/C hoses, and octane 93.

Time Engine Speed (RPM) Throttle Opening Angle (%) Mass Air Flow (g/s) Ignition Timing (°BTDC) Vehicle Speed (KPH) Knock Correction (°BTDC)
0 2042 27.84 32.14 20 30 1
270 2137 17.25 34.91 25 29 4
501 2252 17.25 33.57 27 29 1
731 2363 17.65 36.13 27 32 2
961 2463 18.43 38.75 27 32 4
1192 2605 18.82 42.59 27 34 5
1422 2669 18.82 44.51 27 34 6
1652 2806 28.24 52.71 26 38 7
1883 2901 33.73 69.26 20 38 8
2113 3072 74.12 88.95 16 40 9
2343 3324 100 115.59 12 40 8
2574 3495 100 135.38 8 45 7
2804 3771 100 154.88 8 45 7
3034 3925 100 161.34 9 49 7
3265 4160 100 171.18 9 49 7
3495 4417 100 181.44 9 57 7
3725 4618 100 189.14 10 57 8
3956 4845 100 196.18 10 63 8
4186 5085 100 202.22 11 63 7
4416 5256 100 206.19 11 71 7
4647 5494 100 207.39 13 71 8
4877 5660 100 212.15 13 78 8
5107 5873 100 212.54 14 78 8
5338 6053 31.37 210.96 16 85 8
5568 6097 0 21.03 12 85 0
5798 5415 27.45 24.23 13 90 0
6029 4928 100 148.86 17 90 9
6259 4438 100 168.97 -15 93 8
6489 4433 100 173.82 11 93 8
6720 4610 100 179.85 11 96 8
6950 4702 100 187.66 11 96 8
7180 4820 100 195.44 10 100 8
7411 4937 100 198.78 10 100 8
7641 5033 100 200.64 11 104 8
7871 5092 100 206.75 11 104 7
8102 5179 100 209.7 11 109 7
8332 5415 0.78 208.13 12 109 5

ADR 04STi

03-12-2006, 11:14 PM

Innova: I have a K&N Typhoon on my STi. .and my PDX maps made for it. I dont think they would charge you to tweak one of your maps. If not. . too bad I couldnt email you mine (anyone ever try) Im Stg 2-93. I also have the 100oct map too.
ps:Innova: its "The STi". . sup?

zuczek (http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/member.php?u=64971): Probably will get rid of the jerkiness. . my STi is 10X smoother. . less vibration. .smoother idle and smoother between shifts.(espeically 1-2nd)Seems more refined overall. Very satisifed. One other thing. . now with the PDX maps. . when coming to a stoplight. . .so smooth and quiet that I thought I stalled couple times. . but the tach was dead on 750RPM. Kinda weird at first. .so quiet. .im getting used to it.:banana:

PDXTuning

03-13-2006, 12:48 AM

Your knock correction looks railed through that pull, but it is kinda hard to read like that. When you sent me the files did you attach the data or include it in the e-mail?

Jarrad

txl146

03-13-2006, 12:50 AM

I attached the file in the e-mail. Please review the file and let me know what you think.

3 files:

1. Streeing driving
2. 2nd and 3rd gear pull
3. 3rd gear pull

PDXTuning

03-13-2006, 12:53 AM

OK, I will have to take a look, for some reason I missed when that e-mail arrived. For now it looks fine, having the knock corrections like the ones you have indicate that it is working well. Although your total timing looks goofy. I will have to look at those files when I get in the office tomorrow.

Jarrad

txl146

03-13-2006, 12:57 AM

Jarrad,

Thanks for your prompt response. I am glad that I ran the data logging to verify the map.

IMO, ECU Explorer data logging should be part of emap requirement since all cars are created differently. :)

drees

03-13-2006, 05:30 AM

Though txl146's KC values look good, the screwy thing in his logs are his vehicle speed readings, they stay the same every 2 lines? Timing is similarly screwy, so I wouldn't trust that particular log.

txl146

03-13-2006, 08:56 AM

Another data log from 3rd gear pull. drees, there is no problem of having double speed measurement. Original post's log also has similar trend.

Time Engine Speed (RPM) Throttle Opening Angle (%) Mass Air Flow (g/s) Intake Air Temperature (°C) Ignition Timing (°BTDC) Vehicle Speed (KPH) Knock Correction (°BTDC)
0 3546 0 4.82 18 12 79 0
360 3539 10.2 8.24 18 34 79 0
591 3529 29.02 56.79 18 30 79 1
821 3561 67.06 75.21 18 26 79 8
1051 3666 92.94 111.39 18 16 79 9
1282 3750 100 142.52 18 11 79 7
1512 3874 100 162.64 18 9 80 7
1742 4002 100 168.28 18 10 80 7
1973 4139 100 174.17 18 9 82 7
2203 4252 100 180.4 17 9 82 7
2433 4343 100 185.06 17 8 87 7
2664 4472 100 190.62 17 8 87 7
2894 4613 100 192.48 17 9 93 8
3124 4735 100 196.18 17 10 93 8
3355 4783 100 197.67 17 10 99 8
3585 4905 100 203.99 17 10 99 8
3815 5071 100 206.59 18 10 104 8
4046 5172 100 207.39 18 10 104 7
4276 5252 100 210.96 18 8 109 5
4506 5349 100 211.75 18 9 109 5
4737 5462 100 211.75 18 10 114 6
4967 5543 100 215.72 18 11 114 6
5197 5643 100 212.94 18 11 118 6
5428 5703 100 211.35 18 11 118 6
5658 5805 41.57 214.92 18 12 123 6
5888 5832 0 15.03 18 12 123 0

maho4807

03-13-2006, 10:42 AM

Calling all dataloggers:

Please send me your data logs. I can email them back to you and highlight/explain differences in chart form. I am the reigning excel guru and have already wrote a macro to complete these pesky tasks. The first set you posted showed you backing off the throttle slightly (PDX) making the pull useless for comparison. Is there anyway to increase your sampling rate so that I can create higher resolution maps.

All datalogs welcome. Moderators give me right to post or if someone will give me their email they can post for me.

Out

txl146

03-13-2006, 11:37 AM

Here is a full data logging... from 2nd and 3rd gear pull.

Time Engine Speed (RPM) Throttle Opening Angle (%) Mass Air Flow (g/s) Intake Air Temperature (°C) Ignition Timing (°BTDC) Vehicle Speed (KPH) Knock Correction (°BTDC)
0 2042 27.84 32.14 20 20 30 1
270 2137 17.25 34.91 20 25 29 4
501 2252 17.25 33.57 20 27 29 1
731 2363 17.65 36.13 20 27 32 2
961 2463 18.43 38.75 20 27 32 4
1192 2605 18.82 42.59 20 27 34 5
1422 2669 18.82 44.51 20 27 34 6
1652 2806 28.24 52.71 19 26 38 7
1883 2901 33.73 69.26 19 20 38 8
2113 3072 74.12 88.95 19 16 40 9
2343 3324 100 115.59 19 12 40 8
2574 3495 100 135.38 19 8 45 7
2804 3771 100 154.88 19 8 45 7
3034 3925 100 161.34 19 9 49 7
3265 4160 100 171.18 19 9 49 7
3495 4417 100 181.44 19 9 57 7
3725 4618 100 189.14 19 10 57 8
3956 4845 100 196.18 19 10 63 8
4186 5085 100 202.22 19 11 63 7
4416 5256 100 206.19 19 11 71 7
4647 5494 100 207.39 19 13 71 8
4877 5660 100 212.15 19 13 78 8
5107 5873 100 212.54 19 14 78 8
5338 6053 31.37 210.96 19 16 85 8
5568 6097 0 21.03 20 12 85 0
5798 5415 27.45 24.23 20 13 90 0
6029 4928 100 148.86 20 17 90 9
6259 4438 100 168.97 20 -15 93 8
6489 4433 100 173.82 20 11 93 8
6720 4610 100 179.85 20 11 96 8
6950 4702 100 187.66 20 11 96 8
7180 4820 100 195.44 20 10 100 8
7411 4937 100 198.78 20 10 100 8
7641 5033 100 200.64 20 11 104 8
7871 5092 100 206.75 20 11 104 7
8102 5179 100 209.7 20 11 109 7
8332 5415 0.78 208.13 20 12 109 5
8562 5597 0 16.26 20 12 113 0
8793 5085 0 21.12 20 12 113 0
9023 4653 0 20.87 20 12 116 0
9253 4144 0 19.2 20 12 116 0

PDXTuning

03-13-2006, 11:58 AM

txl146 PM me your e-mail address. I do not have any data logs that match what you are posting here.

Jarrad

drees

03-13-2006, 01:41 PM

Another data log from 3rd gear pull. drees, there is no problem of having double speed measurement. Original post's log also has similar trend.

Time RPM TPS MAF IAT Timing KPH KC
3815 5071 100 206.59 18 10 104 8
4046 5172 100 207.39 18 10 104 7
4276 5252 100 210.96 18 8 109 5
4506 5349 100 211.75 18 9 109 5Right at 4276rpm looks like knock or the ECU has seen knock there (reduction in KC along with timing), but it's still doing the double speed measurement. Change your logs to read these values:

Time, RPM, TPS, abs manifold pressure or boost, timing, KC

No need for IAT, or KPH, perhaps there's a problem reading road speed using the logger.

Aside from that one area, KC values look good.

txl146

03-13-2006, 02:02 PM

txl146 PM me your e-mail address. I do not have any data logs that match what you are posting here.

Jarrad

Email sent with files again...

Thanks
Tim

txl146

03-13-2006, 02:23 PM

Drees, here it is... don't know why it's posting double speed.

High boost TMIC (STi USDM) map
3RD GEAR PULL

Time Engine Speed (RPM) Throttle Opening Angle (%) Manifold Absolute Pressure (PSI) Ignition Timing (°BTDC) Knock Correction (°BTDC)
0 3546 0 2.757 12 0
360 3539 10.2 4.933 34 0
591 3529 29.02 12.478 30 1
821 3561 67.06 17.122 26 8
1051 3666 92.94 21.329 16 9
1282 3750 100 28.149 11 7
1512 3874 100 29.89 9 7
1742 4002 100 30.325 10 7
1973 4139 100 30.325 9 7
2203 4252 100 30.325 9 7
2433 4343 100 30.325 8 7
2664 4472 100 30.18 8 7
2894 4613 100 30.18 9 8
3124 4735 100 30.035 10 8
3355 4783 100 29.745 10 8
3585 4905 100 29.6 10 8
3815 5071 100 29.31 10 8
4046 5172 100 29.02 10 7
4276 5252 100 28.729 8 5
4506 5349 100 28.584 9 5
4737 5462 100 28.149 10 6
4967 5543 100 27.859 11 6
5197 5643 100 27.714 11 6
5428 5703 100 27.569 11 6
5658 5805 41.57 20.749 12 6
5888 5832 0 5.078 12 0
6119 5435 66.27 13.349 16 0
6349 5234 0 8.851 18 0
6579 4944 0 5.369 28 0
6810 4353 0 5.369 12 0
7040 4019 0 5.659 12 0

txl146

03-13-2006, 02:30 PM

2nd and 3rd gear pull
High boost TMIC (STi USDM) map
Relative pressure shown

Time Engine Speed (RPM) Throttle Opening Angle (%) Manifold Relative Pressure (PSI) Ignition Timing (°BTDC) Knock Correction (°BTDC)
0 2042 27.84 -0.29 20 1
270 2137 17.25 0.29 25 4
501 2252 17.25 -1.016 27 1
731 2363 17.65 -0.871 27 2
961 2463 18.43 -0.871 27 4
1192 2605 18.82 -0.58 27 5
1422 2669 18.82 -0.435 27 6
1652 2806 28.24 0.435 26 7
1883 2901 33.73 3.773 20 8
2113 3072 74.12 7.11 16 9
2343 3324 100 11.463 12 8
2574 3495 100 14.075 8 7
2804 3771 100 15.235 8 7
3034 3925 100 15.38 9 7
3265 4160 100 15.235 9 7
3495 4417 100 15.235 9 7
3725 4618 100 15.09 10 8
3956 4845 100 14.655 10 8
4186 5085 100 14.22 11 7
4416 5256 100 13.639 11 7
4647 5494 100 13.204 13 8
4877 5660 100 12.624 13 8
5107 5873 100 12.188 14 8
5338 6053 31.37 5.659 16 8
5568 6097 0 -9.867 12 0
5798 5415 27.45 -9.141 13 0
6029 4928 100 8.125 17 9
6259 4438 100 13.784 -15 8
6489 4433 100 14.075 11 8
6720 4610 100 14.22 11 8
6950 4702 100 14.945 11 8
7180 4820 100 15.235 10 8
7411 4937 100 15.235 10 8
7641 5033 100 14.945 11 8
7871 5092 100 14.8 11 7
8102 5179 100 14.51 11 7
8332 5415 0.78 12.188 12 5
8562 5597 0 -9.431 12 0
8793 5085 0 -9.867 12 0
9023 4653 0 -9.722 12 0
9253 4144 0 -9.576 12 0

txl146

03-13-2006, 06:49 PM

I switched the map back to WRX TMIC high boost map.

3rd gear pull

Time Engine Speed (RPM) Throttle Opening Angle (%) Manifold Absolute Pressure (PSI) Ignition Timing (°BTDC) Knock Correction (°BTDC)
0 3882 7.84 5.078 43 0
280 3929 52.55 11.753 37 0
451 3912 100 15.816 31 9
621 3956 100 18.573 27 9
791 4026 100 23.941 17 9
961 4139 100 28.149 17 9
1132 4173 100 29.02 15 9
1302 4288 100 29.455 13 9
1472 4376 100 29.6 13 9
1642 4467 100 29.6 13 9
1813 4540 100 29.6 13 9
1983 4644 100 29.455 14 10
2153 4723 100 29.31 14 10
2323 4814 100 29.165 14 10
2494 4915 100 29.02 14 10
2664 5000 100 28.875 15 9
2834 5088 100 28.729 15 9
3004 5176 100 28.584 15 9
3175 5241 100 28.439 16 9
3345 5346 100 28.149 16 9
3515 5372 100 28.004 16 9
3685 5462 100 27.714 17 9
3856 5589 100 27.424 17 9
4026 5677 100 27.278 18 9
4196 5703 100 27.133 18 9
4366 5832 100 26.988 19 9
4537 5910 100 26.843 19 9
4707 5962 100 26.553 19 9
4877 6014 100 26.553 20 9
5047 6063 100 26.408 20 9
5217 6183 100 26.263 21 9
5388 6281 100 26.118 23 9
5558 6276 100 26.118 24 10
5728 6350 100 26.118 24 10
5898 6410 100 25.973 24 10
6069 6516 24.71 25.973 25 10
6239 7163 0 8.125 7 0
6409 6708 0 5.369 12 0
6579 6117 0 4.788 12 0
6750 5832 0 4.643 12 0
6920 5399 0 4.498 12 0
7090 5023 0 4.353 12 0
7260 4705 0 4.643 12 0

PDXTuning

03-13-2006, 07:00 PM

txl146

03-13-2006, 07:07 PM

PDX Tuning,

So you consider WRX TMIC map optimized (better) than a STI TMIC map? do you know why my car exhibited such behavior with a STi TMIC map? With STi TMIC map, I was hoping that my car will run better.

I want to make sure my car is fully taking advantage of STi TMIC.

ADR 04STi

03-13-2006, 07:24 PM

Answered

ADR 04STi

03-13-2006, 07:28 PM

Answered by PDX Tuning , Thanx Tim B :D

drees

03-13-2006, 07:32 PM

Log looks great. However, you let off a little early eh? :DYep, that looks like a happy engine!

drees

03-13-2006, 07:37 PM

So you consider WRX TMIC map optimized (better) than a STI TMIC map? do you know why my car exhibited such behavior with a STi TMIC map? With STi TMIC map, I was hoping that my car will run better.Perhaps their STi TMIC map is too aggressive for your car. Hard to tell without you logging again with the same parameters as you logged with the WRX TMIC map. Timing certainly looks a lot better with the WRX TMIC map, and KC appears to be close to maxed out.

txl146

03-13-2006, 08:53 PM

drees, above first data log was done using STi TMIC map in 3rd gear. Same parameters were used... please check again.

PDXTuning

03-13-2006, 08:59 PM

There appears to be something that did not load correctly with the STi map. The STi map is actually a bit more conservative and should have run more actual timing. I am a little perplexed to be honest. Looking at the map there should have been more overall timing in there. The KC was railed, which shows the ECU was happy, but for some reason it thought it could not run any more timing.

In any case, with the WRX map on there it is plenty happy, so in THIS case it appears to be fine that he is running that map on his car. Basically the WRX TMIC map was conservative enough to take the denser air charge that can be expected with the STi TMIC.

Jarrad

txl146

03-13-2006, 09:06 PM

My car current is not equipped with V8 USDM STi air splitter and shroud (will get it in 3 days).

Could this possibly be the reason for having a timing issue with STi TMIC map?

UndertoW101

03-13-2006, 11:03 PM

Any news on the O6 (TR/WRX) pdx maps? I sent an e-mail a little over a week ago with no reply....I know your busy :)

txl146

03-14-2006, 12:34 AM

drees, PDX Tuning, thanks for your feedback.

PDXTuning

03-14-2006, 10:44 AM

We are actively working on them this week. Unfortunately the back log of custom tunes we have means that it will be another week or two before we have finalized 06 WRX maps. We have seen some issues with the mapping that is making us extra cautious on this model.

Jarrad

Any news on the O6 (TR/WRX) pdx maps? I sent an e-mail a little over a week ago with no reply....I know your busy :)

UndertoW101

03-14-2006, 06:36 PM

We are actively working on them this week. Unfortunately the back log of custom tunes we have means that it will be another week or two before we have finalized 06 WRX maps. We have seen some issues with the mapping that is making us extra cautious on this model.

Jarrad

Great to hear you are working on the 06. I am curious about what kind of "issues" you are seeing with the o6...any info?

txl146

03-15-2006, 02:13 PM

Jarrad,

One last question. If you see the last data log above (high boost WRX TMIC map), peak boost is around 15 psi and tapers off to 11 psi. What's a target boost level for a high boost map? Compared to original poster's data log, my car is hitting about 1.2 psi less at 6000 rpm.

Thanks

txl146

03-15-2006, 03:30 PM

Here is comparsion between WRX and STi TMIC 3rd gear pull log. WRX TMIC map has relatively constant KC and higher ignition timing values across whole RPM. Is that what Tuners see when determining success of the tune?

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y73/txl146/MapcomparisonWRXvs.jpg

drees

03-15-2006, 07:31 PM

Those plots are nice. It looks to me that the added boost in the STI map is just enough to push your car over the edge, but without some wideband O2 readings it's tough to tell.

Timing is definitely VERY low with the STI TMIC maps, generally you don't see timing in the 8-10* range except below 4k RPM with full boost. The primary reason the STI map throws warning bells isn't the low overall timing, though, it's the fact that it's bumpy and shows pulled timing in a couple spots. See how smooth your WRC TMIC map is?

txl146

03-15-2006, 07:43 PM

Another plot of WRX TMIC. Comparison of above WRX TMIC vs. another one run at a different temperature (colder). Never had a chance to push above 6k rpm on colder ATI data log.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y73/txl146/temp.jpg

txl146

03-15-2006, 07:46 PM

drees

03-15-2006, 07:58 PM

Yes, I see it. Both KC and IT fluctuate quite a bit. So, rule of thumb is to look for consistent KC and high/consistent IT when determining success of map?As a general guideline high/consistent KC and timing are good signs, yes. :banana:

txl146

03-15-2006, 08:10 PM

Good to hear that. I can definitely feel that my car is happier with WRX TMIC map. Thanks for your feedback. :)

txl146

03-15-2006, 11:42 PM

PDX Tuning,

Based on above plot, my car is hitting only about 15 psi peak in 3rd gear. What's a target boost level for a high boost map?

Thanks,

jmc9809

03-16-2006, 12:24 AM

Hey, can PDX OTS maps be purchased to be loaded using openecu software?

txl146

03-16-2006, 12:37 AM

No, you must use Access Port. When ordering AP map, you must supply AP serial #.

crazymikie

03-16-2006, 09:40 AM

As a general guideline high/consistent KC and timing are good signs, yes. :banana:

There is a subtle nuance to this-

an engine with better VE could use less timing to make the same power. More timing does not equate to more power all of the time. In this case, the bigger I/C could be providing a denser charge due to better cooling, so then less timing would be necessary.

However, that tune doesn't look happy- my rule for a good tune is that overall spark advance should be non-decreasing through the RPMs. You should hit a low for spark advance at peak load/torque and then it should slowly advance all the way until redline.

Looking at knock corection values alone doesn't give you the whole story. That being said, there appears to be a problem with the STi TMIC mapping. If recalibrated, that car may make just as much power with less timing, however, it appears that the map needs some work for your vehicle.

Mike

theicewall

03-16-2006, 09:49 AM

crazymikie

03-16-2006, 10:49 AM

Car looks happier overall with the WRX IC map.

txl146

03-16-2006, 02:09 PM

Attached is file showing STi TMIC map with WGDC (don't have WGDC data on WRX TMIC log). 3rd gear pull.

Can someone explain to me why the car is hitting just 15.6psi?

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y73/txl146/3rdgearpullincludingwastegatedutycy.jpg

drees

03-16-2006, 02:10 PM

There is a subtle nuance to this-

an engine with better VE could use less timing to make the same power. More timing does not equate to more power all of the time. In this case, the bigger I/C could be providing a denser charge due to better cooling, so then less timing would be necessary.Yep, Mikie is spot on here. :)

It's important to keep in mind that adding timing can be considered a crutch for less than optimal VE/combustion, which is why timing requirements drop at peak torque (where VE is it's highest) and go up around that peak. Any time you can improve burn speed in the combustion chamber or otherwise improve VE, your timing requirements (MBT) in general will decrease. Although if you are not already at MBT, those same improvements will somtimes let you run the same or more timing and make more power.

For example, if your new big IC cools off the intake charge more, it is less prone to detonation letting you cram more air/fuel in the cylinder before detonation occurs which is usually the limiting factor in reaching MBT in a turbo car using pump fuel.

Or you replace the OEM downpipe with a high-flow unit and the reduction in backpressure in turns reduces in-cylinder pressure/temp, you also reduce the tendancy to detonate and you can run closer to MBT.

Or instead of running more timing, crank up the boost and put your :D face on.

Determining what timing/boost works well to make power with various mods is tough and will take some trial and error without having some experience, best to let experts like PDX Tuning help you with it.

drees

03-16-2006, 02:12 PM

Attached is file showing STi TMIC map with WGDC (don't have WGDC data on WRX TMIC log). 3rd gear pull.

Can someone explain to me why the car is hitting just 15.6psi?That's probably all the boost they programmed into the map judging by the WGDC. Do you know what boost target they are aiming for?

txl146

03-16-2006, 02:12 PM

target boost level is around 16.5psi IIRC. On WRX TMIC map, my car is hitting only 15.1psi. Maybe I will have to try 4th gear pull to record boost level. Maybe my car will hit a target level in higher gear...

txl146

03-16-2006, 02:21 PM

txl146

03-16-2006, 02:23 PM

So from this, I see it as being safer to run the WRX stage II map than the WRX with STi intercooler stage II map even though I have an STi intercooler on my WRX. I'd rather be a tad more conservative and have my engine last a bit longer.

Can you also post your logs with STi TMIC map? what's your mod list? Let's see if you also experiencing problem like my STi TMIC map.

crazymikie

03-16-2006, 02:53 PM

Spark advance is the same thing as ignition timing. Sorry about that-

VE is volumetric efficiency. On jblaine's site, there is an awesome writeup- http://www.kickflop.net/wp/?p=17 I highly recommend giving it a read.

It looks like your wastegate is almost completely closed, yet your car is not hitting target boost. It might be worth giving the wastegate arm a crank or two to shorten it to preload the wastegate actuator a bit more. It could be that the wastegate flapper is blowing open too easily, so you can't hit target boost.

Just be careful- your wastegate duty cycle is increasing and you are not even maintaining boost- this could be indicative of a leak as well. You could be trying to overspin the turbo which would be back. See how you hit 15.7 PSI around 4200 RPM and then your wastegate duty just keeps increasing until the max and holds that way until redline? You essentially have no boost control going there and the turbo is working as hard as it can. If that's true, it's blowing a lot of hot air and that could explain why your ignition timing is low.

I would give a check for a leak between the turbo and the throttle body.

Thanks!
Mike

crazymikie

03-16-2006, 02:56 PM

Yep, Mikie is spot on here. :)

Even a broken clock is right twice a day ;)

txl146

03-16-2006, 04:45 PM

txl146

03-16-2006, 06:15 PM

txl146

03-16-2006, 06:24 PM

Doesn't above boost and WGDC trend match closely with original poster's data log? :)

theicewall

03-16-2006, 06:51 PM

Can you also post your logs with STi TMIC map? what's your mod list? Let's see if you also experiencing problem like my STi TMIC map.

Unfortunately I have a mac not a pc so I can't datalog, but from looking at the numbers you posted with the KC values that were higher with the WRX top mount. I assumed that having an STi top mount would give you colder chargetemps and allow more timing to be applied at the same KC values but that doesnt seem to be the case in which case I don't feel safe running that map.

txl146

03-16-2006, 07:00 PM

What kind of modification do you have on your WRX?

drees

03-16-2006, 07:05 PM

With the WGDC values logged there, I don't think you're going to see much more boost without changing either the wastegate arm or the map and the WGDC values can't go much higher..

At peak boost you're running 75-80% WGDC, it might take a bit more to get boost up to 16.5psi. Eitherway, in the 2nd run you're getting within .5psi of the supposed target, that's generally considered pretty good for a mail-order map.

theicewall

03-16-2006, 07:33 PM

I have turboback exhast (Bosal with stromung DP) single high flow cat, STi Top Mount, STi Uppipe, APS turbo discharge duct, Silencer Delete.

I wouldn't want to run any more than 16.5 psi because the stock turbo just plain becomes useless at those boost levels. It produces too much heat to be beneficial and you would be better off tuning with slightly less boost and more timing to get more power than what you can muster at 16.5 psi

txl146

03-17-2006, 11:40 AM

My mods are similar to your with an exception of Borla header and pulley. You never know, this STi TMIC map may run fine with your car as all cars operate differently.

UndertoW101

03-21-2006, 01:59 AM

au10tik_WRX

03-22-2006, 12:22 AM

so are there any dyno results comparing cobb's OTS maps and PDX maps?

EnterTheDragon

03-22-2006, 02:10 AM

Beebs99

03-23-2006, 09:27 PM

PDXTuning

03-28-2006, 08:05 PM

Any news on the o6? I am ready to get an AP and would like to get one with PDX maps...but will go with the stock AP if it will be a long time on the o6 PDX maps.

I guess i could always get them later? Right?

We've got maps ready for 06 wrx's

Stock -
stock + full exhaust

full exhaust + VF39/ VF30/ VF34 stock injectors

Please fill out our on-line map order form to get the process started....

http://www.pdxtuning.com/_vti_bin/shtml.dll/mapupgrade.htm

We can post some dyno plots if you like.

The VF3X turbo on the 06 WRX really rips!!

Cheers
Bailey

UndertoW101

03-28-2006, 08:47 PM

We've got maps ready for 06 wrx's

Stock -
stock + full exhaust

full exhaust + VF39/ VF30/ VF34 stock injectors

Please fill out our on-line map order form to get the process started....

http://www.pdxtuning.com/_vti_bin/shtml.dll/mapupgrade.htm

We can post some dyno plots if you like.

The VF3X turbo on the 06 WRX really rips!!

Cheers
Bailey

Which one do you reccomend VF39/ VF30/ VF34 ?

Also what kind of numbers are we looking at with the stock injectors and a VF34??

I am quite exited about this news :)

drees

03-28-2006, 10:12 PM

We can post some dyno plots if you like.Is there anyone who _doesn't_ want to see dyno plots! ;)
Post them already! :D

Thumper23

03-29-2006, 06:08 PM

Got my maps in my email. Looking good so far. Only been running the new maps for 3 days so I'm sure there's a bunch more learning for the ECU to go through. Unfortunately, its hard to find a good area to get some good runs in, so this isn't much, but for the time being until I can get out somewhere else, it'll do.

Stg. 2 STi

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b233/Casha23/testrun.jpg

theicewall

03-29-2006, 07:05 PM

Your KC values look wacked out, whats -0.5 with 41.5 degrees and why does 4015.75 rpms come inbetween 3902 and 3906rpm?

Thumper23

03-29-2006, 07:07 PM

Your KC values look wacked out, whats -0.5 with 41.5 degrees and why does 4015.75 rpms come inbetween 3902 and 3906rpm?

That was when I released the accelerator. So I was at WOT, then had the pedal at idle basically.

theicewall

03-29-2006, 08:13 PM

Ah, okay, I am retarded for not noticing you were in vacuum. if you get a chance to log some more over the next few days with a run to say 5k I'd like to see it to see what happens to your KC values.

Thumper23

03-29-2006, 08:51 PM

Ah, okay, I am retarded for not noticing you were in vacuum. if you get a chance to log some more over the next few days with a run to say 5k I'd like to see it to see what happens to your KC values.

I'm gonna try to get some good pulls in this weekend and post up the results.

txl146

03-29-2006, 10:28 PM

Thumper23, try 3rd gear pull from 4-7k rpm if possible.

crazymikie

03-30-2006, 12:01 AM

Thumper- It looks like the car pulls a little timing at 3900 RPM, but that's right before you let off the throttle.

What gear was that in? A longer pull starting at the same place but holding out longer would be good.

Oh yeah- and manifold relative pressure maxes out at 18.4psi- you probably want to log manifold absolute pressure and barometric pressure to see your actual boost levels.

Mike

infantsam

03-31-2006, 02:44 AM

Thumper23

03-31-2006, 12:24 PM

I'm pretty sure that was a 3rd gear pull. I had to lift off though because of the road. I gotta go find myself a nice long straight piece.

And I'll add in recording those two variables.

theicewall

03-31-2006, 12:53 PM

Well I just went stg 2 tonight
Looks like I have a lot to learn - how to get the most from my car

Good facts in this thread though

It boosts fast and hard - no logs yet but the factory boost gauge indcated right about 16 psi - I was a lottle busy to notice much more than that

Stage 2 what? This thread is about those with the PDX maps comparing them to the Cobb basemap stage 2. Do you have a PDX stage 2 map?

ghostshadow

04-03-2006, 11:19 PM

WOW!!! I just ran my car with a PDX protune map and it is night and day compared to the standard cobb stg2 program. very simple mods- helix catted dp and SPT 3" catback.

thanks bailey- i am really happy with the results. it just plain rips!

ottawarex

04-04-2006, 12:03 AM

I just loaded mine on aswell. The car is very smooth now. Rolling off and on the gas feels less abrupt.

I datalogged the car, and I am now running less boost, similar timing, and the wastegate duty cycle is much higher. I will try to post a comparison between the Cobb and PDX tunes in the next few days. I havn't sent the new log to PDX yet, so maybe they still have to tweak their map as well.

+1 for a great service!

theicewall

04-04-2006, 01:43 AM

Interesting, less boost and higher WDC indicates the ecu is trying harder to create boost in my understanding of these numbers. Can anyone explain?

shady

04-04-2006, 03:09 AM

Hey Thumper, let me know how your maps are after the tune, I like to compare your maps with mine....

Shea

crazymikie

04-04-2006, 09:37 AM

Interesting, less boost and higher WDC indicates the ecu is trying harder to create boost in my understanding of these numbers. Can anyone explain?

Wastegate duty cycle is the amount of time the wastegate is closed. This means that more exhaust gas is being forced through the center section of the turbo, spinning it faster.

There could be a few explainations for this, at least from my understanding. Please feel free to correct me if I am wrong.

1 - The car could be running richer, creating cooler EGTs, which means that the car will have to try harder to achieve the same boost levels.

2 - The restrictor pill in the BCS line is too big for the amount of boost you are running. This means that the amount of air hitting the wastegate actuator is too much and the wastegate is blowing open. By using higher WGDC, you are diverting more air away from the wastegate actuator and that should allow the turbo to hit higher boost levels. For example, after porting my TD04, I had to use a smaller restrictor pill to even hit 16 PSI. I've read this is common.

3 - The turbo may be overspinning. If you were to pull some wastegate duty cycle out and the car was still hitting the same boost targets, personally, I wouldn't run the higher numbers. If this is true, you may be unnecessarily spinning the turbo faster than it needs to go and that is just going to heat up the intake charge.

Hope that helps.

Mike

infantsam

04-04-2006, 09:53 AM

Stage 2 what? This thread is about those with the PDX maps comparing them to the Cobb basemap stage 2. Do you have a PDX stage 2 map?

I have only the Cobb Stg 2 basemap so far. I am just getting things going on the car and I think the tuning needs to be improved so I was looking in on the thread.

I need to get a stg 2 map more suited to road racing. I threw CEL's all weekend at Summit Point - P0244 with an ignition cut i guess. It mostly occured at the top of third gear especially on the uphill straightaway - the engine would miss etc. Also - imo the tip in response is a little too aggressive for both street driving and throttle steering when racing - I don't want full boost quite so rapidly. Correct me if I'm wrong but most of the maps are created more for absolute power i.e. drag racing which might be a little different than what I want. I would be fine with losing a little power if I can broaden and smooth the power band while keeping the engine as safe as possible.

Is there anyone else in a similar boat here?

theicewall

04-04-2006, 01:33 PM

Wastegate duty cycle is the amount of time the wastegate is closed. This means that more exhaust gas is being forced through the center section of the turbo, spinning it faster.

There could be a few explainations for this, at least from my understanding. Please feel free to correct me if I am wrong.

1 - The car could be running richer, creating cooler EGTs, which means that the car will have to try harder to achieve the same boost levels.

2 - The restrictor pill in the BCS line is too big for the amount of boost you are running. This means that the amount of air hitting the wastegate actuator is too much and the wastegate is blowing open. By using higher WGDC, you are diverting more air away from the wastegate actuator and that should allow the turbo to hit higher boost levels. For example, after porting my TD04, I had to use a smaller restrictor pill to even hit 16 PSI. I've read this is common.

3 - The turbo may be overspinning. If you were to pull some wastegate duty cycle out and the car was still hitting the same boost targets, personally, I wouldn't run the higher numbers. If this is true, you may be unnecessarily spinning the turbo faster than it needs to go and that is just going to heat up the intake charge.

Hope that helps.

Mike

Duty cycle = how hard the system is working to keep the wastegate clamped shut.

0% = no effort, flapping in the wind
100% = trying very hard to keep it closed

See, I would think that you would make more boost with higher duty cycles unless something else was going on with the map, and there is definitely less boost. I suppose it could be running richer though. I am referring to ottawarex's experience just for clarity.

theicewall

04-04-2006, 01:39 PM

infantsam

04-04-2006, 01:44 PM

it is better than the lag of the stock tune - -but it's a bit aggressive for street driving (costs lots of gas - but does feel like a V8 when you goose 5th and the car jumps)

And on the track smoother power delivery is always better...as well as engine protection.

PDXTuning

04-04-2006, 02:46 PM

I have only the Cobb Stg 2 basemap so far. I am just getting things going on the car and I think the tuning needs to be improved so I was looking in on the thread.

I need to get a stg 2 map more suited to road racing. I threw CEL's all weekend at Summit Point - P0244 with an ignition cut i guess. It mostly occured at the top of third gear especially on the uphill straightaway - the engine would miss etc. Also - imo the tip in response is a little too aggressive for both street driving and throttle steering when racing - I don't want full boost quite so rapidly. Correct me if I'm wrong but most of the maps are created more for absolute power i.e. drag racing which might be a little different than what I want. I would be fine with losing a little power if I can broaden and smooth the power band while keeping the engine as safe as possible.

Is there anyone else in a similar boat here?

PDXTuning offers AP maps with different spool characteristics. You're right, a race car is better when its smoother.... this makes the car smoother and gets better tract times. For street driving most want immediate torque. That same torque surge can lead to unwanted surprizes when ballanced in a corner at speed or when accelerating out of a corner at adhesion limits. Tail out fun looks great and IS fun but its also slow and kills your tires. I destroyed a new set of r compound tires in single glorious track day last year. :devil:

Feel free to contact PDXTuning - we can offer you a series of real time maps with different /throttle spool characteristics. This way you can hone in on the absolute best track based boost control settings. Real time maps can be changed in 30 seconds so there is a possibility to try multiple maps within a single track session.

Map upgrade request form here -
http://www.pdxtuning.com/_vti_bin/shtml.dll/mapupgrade.htm

Cheers
Tim B - PDXTuning

infantsam

04-04-2006, 02:54 PM

thx - i'll have a look

Bishop

04-04-2006, 02:58 PM

how much per map tim?

PDXTuning

04-04-2006, 04:08 PM

how much per map tim?

Its 150 for a complete set -

One base map

Real time maps -
main map (normal tuned boost level - run everyday)
low boost
Valet
antitheft

on special request if available -
STU/STX real time
aggressive high octane pump (torco)
race fuel

Special request maps such as a track boost control map are also feasible.

The value behind the PDXTuning maps is several fold -
1) PDXTuning can be more aggressive due to the individual/specialized nature of the map construction
2) our customer base is smaller so we can offer individual customer support and post hoc map refinement
3) we offer maps for configurations that may not be supported with other off the shelf maps
4) PDXTuning can and willingly accepts very specialized requests such as that for track specific boost control.... custom rev limits, etc. If you want something special and i won't damage your car we'll do it :D

Cheers
Tim B - PDXT

ThAReDReX

04-04-2006, 04:16 PM

How long does it generally take for you guys to respond after we fill out the mapupgrade form on your website?

Bishop

04-04-2006, 06:39 PM

Its 150 for a complete set -

One base map

Real time maps -
main map (normal tuned boost level - run everyday)
low boost
Valet
antitheft

on special request if available -
STU/STX real time
aggressive high octane pump (torco)
race fuel

Special request maps such as a track boost control map are also feasible.

The value behind the PDXTuning maps is several fold -
1) PDXTuning can be more aggressive due to the individual/specialized nature of the map construction
2) our customer base is smaller so we can offer individual customer support and post hoc map refinement
3) we offer maps for configurations that may not be supported with other off the shelf maps
4) PDXTuning can and willingly accepts very specialized requests such as that for track specific boost control.... custom rev limits, etc. If you want something special and i won't damage your car we'll do it :D

Cheers
Tim B - PDXT

that is not bad at all. very reasonable imho.

wall of tvs

04-04-2006, 06:58 PM

How long does it generally take for you guys to respond after we fill out the mapupgrade form on your website?

I've been waiting for a week now with no response yet. From what I've read, it takes them about a week to get back to you initially.

Bishop

04-04-2006, 07:07 PM

How long does it generally take for you guys to respond after we fill out the mapupgrade form on your website?

they're pretty busy. patience my friend. good things come to those who wait... :p

Need BB

04-04-2006, 07:16 PM

Where's are dyno numbers??

F-H

04-04-2006, 07:27 PM

Yeah the whole process can take a week but well worth it!!

benw

04-05-2006, 03:33 AM

I'm installing VF34, ebay TMIC, pinks, and fuel pump this weekend.

I will report back on the differences between Cobb's map and PDX's map, which I plan on ordering.

If I can remember, I'll data log pulls with each.

ottawarex

04-05-2006, 01:59 PM

My first loggs had really high Wastegate Duty Cycle like I said before, and relatively low boost. I logged again last night, with much more positive results. It must have learned (although the IAM is maxed at 16).

This map must be designed for instant power as PDX was saying earlier. This map is lightyears better than the Cobb Stage 2 93oct OTS map.

ottawarex

04-05-2006, 02:03 PM

http://www.nalley.ca/wrx/ottawarex_pdx3gear.jpg

theicewall

04-05-2006, 03:49 PM

What are your mods ottawa? And that does look better than what you were describing the other day.

In terms of light years ahead, how would you describe:
tip in compared to cobb?
mid range power to cobb?
top end power to cobb?
lag at low rpm to cobb? looks like you are building boost nicely
seat of pants or butt dyno for overall pull?

ottawarex

04-05-2006, 04:00 PM

Mods:
Bosal Dowpipe (stock 3rd cat, axelback generic muffler).
Lachute Uppipe
Perrin IC hoses

That's it. Power wise, the car is really smooth.

At low/launching speeds, it seems the boost is created much quicker, and it is easier to chirp the front tires on a hard launch. The midrange feels great. As if the car is never going to stop pulling. Top end feels better as well. It seems at any time I press the throttle, the car is making boost, and I start flying.

Another interesting thing is with the Cobb OTS map, If I abruptly let off the gas at say 6000rpm in 3rd gear, the car became jerky slowing down. When I let off quickly with the new map, it just rev's down smoothly. At say 1500rpm in 2nd gear, if I go off and on the gas (emulating stop and go traffic), it is also much smoother than stock (but I guess tranny/motor mounts would help most with that).

I'm not a big drag racer, but I cant wait to try the car in the 1/4 mile. Maybe even the 104 octane mode!

Thumper23

04-07-2006, 02:40 PM

Hey Thumper, let me know how your maps are after the tune, I like to compare your maps with mine....

Shea

Not a problem. I never got around to getting some good logs last weeked so I'm gonna try to do it this weekend. I've been running these maps about 2 weeks now so most of the learning should be done.

Phil

Thumper23

04-07-2006, 11:26 PM

Alright, finally got out there and got two good 3rd gear pulls.

Air Temp: 53 F, Stg. 2 STI

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b233/Casha23/run2.jpg

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b233/Casha23/run1.jpg

Thumper23

04-15-2006, 04:11 PM

sjscooby

04-16-2006, 03:49 AM

since we can request a map does that mean the map is fully designed for our mods? Reason being is i'm looking to upgrade to a vf39/sti pinks in addition to my stg. 2 wrx but cobb doesn't have a comparable map. Would PDXtuning be able to make me a map according to my mods?

ottawarex

04-16-2006, 11:34 AM

PDX should be able to make a map for your mods. You need to fill out the form with full detail of your mods. If they can't make a safe map, they will tell you. But Pinks and VF39 are common enough.

sjscooby

04-16-2006, 11:46 PM

PDX should be able to make a map for your mods. You need to fill out the form with full detail of your mods. If they can't make a safe map, they will tell you. But Pinks and VF39 are common enough.

great, its nice to know theres a cost effective alternative :cool:

clamdip

04-17-2006, 02:20 AM

ottawarex

04-17-2006, 02:23 AM

I really dont know. I wouldn't be surprised. Fill out the form and check. You don't pay when you fill it out... They contact you, letting you know if they can help. Then they give you payment instructions. They only charge you once your maps are made, and ready.

clamdip

04-17-2006, 02:32 AM

Bishop

04-17-2006, 10:44 AM

do you think they have 18G maps?

they should be able to help you out.

theicewall

04-17-2006, 12:24 PM

bump

I've also been getting some weird hesitation since the PDX maps when the car is cold. From 1.5K to 3K, the car will jerk unless I get it out of vacuum to 0 psi on my boost gauge. Once its warm, no problem.

Everytime I am about to pull out the wallet and get the maps someone comes along and says something like this... with OTC I dont get any hesitation and I'd like to keep it that way. The last few posts before and after him were all wow I love this its great but then I hear this and I am totally hesitant to make the change now.

ottawarex

04-17-2006, 12:40 PM

In under 32F temperatures, I havn't had any of those issues. I have an 04 wrx like you. Thumper23 has an 04STi, so maybe they have different issues.

theicewall

04-17-2006, 12:43 PM

true. I'll have to wait it out a little bit and see how I feel. See a few more logs from people.

Thumper23

04-17-2006, 02:03 PM

Everytime I am about to pull out the wallet and get the maps someone comes along and says something like this... with OTC I dont get any hesitation and I'd like to keep it that way. The last few posts before and after him were all wow I love this its great but then I hear this and I am totally hesitant to make the change now.

Well I emailed Tim to see if he has any insight into this. It could be because of something else entirely.

Steve Nastoff

04-19-2006, 12:30 PM

I was running the Cobb 2.5, VF-34 93 octane map in my WRX till 2 weeks ago. The car was very smooth, but I was not completely happy as boost response sucked and peak boost varied with temperature changes.
I purchased a map set from PDX Tuning a short time ago. I installed the base map, along with a performance real time map as per instruction from PDX. At first the car was a little choppy under 3,000 rpm's when cold but otherwise seemed alright. I decided to just put some miles on it in order to give the ECU some time to learn. I have now driven 220 miles and the car is much smoother. Driveability is very important to me and I am very pleased. Now the really good news. Boost response is vastly improved. I'm hitting 12 psi at part throttle, and the car now feels like I put a 2.5 shortblock in it. Full boost is now reached by 4,000 rpm's in third gear and remains at a constant 19 psi. When traveling to work the last few mornings the temps. have been in the upper 30's, while afternoon temps. have hovered around 68 degrees. Boost remains consistant and my Knock Link has not even flinched. Oh and by the way, the car is much faster. If I lived within driving distance to PDX I would already have scheduled dyno time. I plan to data log soon and will post the results. I very highly recomend PDX Tuning.

wrxhunter

04-20-2006, 03:38 PM

does anyone have Dyno sheets with there STage 2 PDX map ? Im getting sick of my Cobb stage 2 OTS map... its jerky and i know there is more power im not getting

anthony_delprete84

04-21-2006, 01:09 AM

yes, can we please get exact dyno numbers showing me the advantage of power of the PDX map over cobb stg 2

Thumper23

04-21-2006, 02:57 AM

Steve, interesting you're talking about the choppiness with the PDX maps under 3k RPM when cold. Its been almost 4 weeks now and the choppiness is still there for me. It's actually quite annoying. I've emailed PDX about that, they haven't gotten back to me yet, but I know there busy. I'm interested to see that this has happened in both a WRX and STi now.

Steve Nastoff

04-21-2006, 02:33 PM

Thumper,
Try a hard ECU reset. It may clear things up. I would also send another E-Mail to PDX. I know what you mean about the annoyance. My car seems to be getting smoother every day. Its been about 250 miles now and my car is totally different since the ECU has had time to learn. I am really enjoying the PDX maps.

Thumper23

04-21-2006, 09:14 PM

Well I reset the ECU. The jerkiness is gone for the time being. Keeping my fingers crossed.

Thumper23

04-23-2006, 08:29 PM

That didn't last long. The jerkiness is back. I might flash the Cobb maps back in here shortly.

mistermike3

04-24-2006, 06:31 PM

I had two runs in 3rd gear pull using WRX TMIC map. Data log contains WGDC value. Do you think my car has problem holding the boost level?

This time, it looks like IT value is increasing and high (good sign), but others have similar trend like STi TMIC map: WGDC is increasing (and holding at 92% level) without maintaining boost level.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y73/txl146/run1.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y73/txl146/run2.jpg

Im definitely not an expert on this, but could the fact that his boost is fluctuating and 92% dty cycle be because of the resrictor pill, I hear that is usually the case? SOmeone with better understanding correct me on this?

Tenacious Bee

05-02-2006, 07:42 AM

Now the really good news. Boost response is vastly improved. I'm hitting 12 psi at part throttle, and the car now feels like I put a 2.5 shortblock in it. Full boost is now reached by 4,000 rpm's in third gear and remains at a constant 19 psi. When traveling to work the last few mornings the temps. have been in the upper 30's, while afternoon temps. have hovered around 68 degrees. Boost remains consistant and my Knock Link has not even flinched. Oh and by the way, the car is much faster. I very highly recomend PDX Tuning.

This is the same experience that I am enjoying right now. I just flashed the map yesterday and my car runs great. The PDX map is a solid kick in the pants.

Steve Nastoff

05-02-2006, 12:04 PM

nitavern, It will keep getting better. I'm ar 360 miles since the download of the PDX maps and the car is smoother and more responsive. I'm very happy.
Where are you located in Pa?

Tenacious Bee

05-02-2006, 12:22 PM

nitavern, It will keep getting better. I'm ar 360 miles since the download of the PDX maps and the car is smoother and more responsive. I'm very happy.
Where are you located in Pa?

I am located in Southwestern PA just outside of Pittsburgh. I had been running a PDX stage two map for about two months. Other than forgetting to reflash my realtime map after working on the car a few times it has been a great experience.

Tenacious Bee

05-02-2006, 12:40 PM

does anyone have Dyno sheets with there STage 2 PDX map ? Im getting sick of my Cobb stage 2 OTS map... its jerky and i know there is more power im not getting

I had been running the map for about a month.

http://home.comcast.net/~nitavern/wsb/media/172081/site1076.jpg

anthony_delprete84

05-05-2006, 03:19 AM

is it just me or are ur numbers redicuously low?

Tenacious Bee

05-05-2006, 08:17 AM

is it just me or are ur numbers redicuously low?

You do realize those are my stage two numbers ? These are not my vf34 numbers .My mods at that point where up pipe/down pipe and the pdx map.

This particular dyno is a harda$$ :) A stock WRX would be hard pressed to bust 150whp on it. Only two 2.0 L powered cars put down more power than I did that day. One dyno tuned ported stock turbo put down 221 and a pdx map Saabaru put down 218hp. I am 40 or so whp higher now. Dyno tune coming up.

V

Valhakar

05-05-2006, 09:01 AM

I believe Anthony is commenting on the 200 WHP. Most people that think they know what they don't know, often make this mistake. ;)

It depends on the dyno and the car. The "225" COBB claim was for a Protuned car, they built the stage 2 model on a car and took the best pull. It was also on an altitude adjusted dyno which will inflate numbers on a Turbo car. Some cars will come close, most will fall short. I am not slamming COBB, I have an AccessPort, but marketing is marketing. :D

With up/downpipe, Cobb Stage 2 93, stock 3rd cat, and cat-back I made 200 WHP and 210 WTQ on a Dynapack. It was only after getting the car protuned with the same setup that I saw the 225 Mark.

The most important thing to look at is the torque curve. It is pratically a table. 10-15 peak HP is nothing compared to a huge area under the curve.

Tenacious Bee

05-05-2006, 09:41 AM

.

The most important thing to look at is the torque curve. It is pratically a table. 10-15 peak HP is nothing compared to a huge area under the curve.

The actual real life performance of the car with the PDX stage two map was significantly better. Same for the VF34 maps. I misunderstood his post as he typed "ridiculously" low. My numbers where in striking distance above and below most of the plots I have seen with Cobb stage two.

anthony_delprete84

05-06-2006, 04:17 AM

Tenacious Bee

05-06-2006, 07:04 AM

im def not tryin to beat on ya, i run cobb stg 2 as well, fully catless 3" all the way back, catless up, etc. Just all the posts i have read were at LEAST 20 whp more than that on stg 2. VF34's on the dyno usually put down 270 so i would think 225 would be about right. I understand all dynos are not created equal, just never heard of one that low. Im sick of the cobb map. 1st to 2nd gear keeps getting rougher and rougher, and 2nd to 3rd is gettin alittle jerkier as well. Im tryin to find a better solution, but dont want to fork over the $150 if im only goin to see 3whp or something like that. Man thats too much drunk typin right there, haha

My PDX maps run much smoother . I cannot vouch for how much power they add over Cobb's maps as I never dyno'd the Cobb maps. Drivability is greatly improved with just a tad of jerkiness in third. I can tell you this with confidence. Both maps were enough of an improvement that I have not regretted spending the money at all. The car runs much better with them. The initial stage 2 map was better but the revised map after data logging was a lot better. The vf34 map was more than a lot better ! I am going back to the dyno in a few weeks to get a baseline before I get dyno tuned. I want to compare baselines between the two dyno's to see how much of a heartbreaker our local AWD dyno is. One other thing. My car has 64,000 miles on it.
The guy with the Saabaru has less than half the miles. He put down 218 with stage two mods, lightened flywheel and a ebay tmic running a PDX map.

anthony_delprete84

05-06-2006, 02:27 PM

Tenacious Bee

05-06-2006, 03:33 PM

so did you just go to pdxtuning.com and click on contact us and fill out that sheet? bc i dont see anything that says anything about custom maps. I just heard it takes awhile and i dont want to delay the process. Thanks guys

There is a link under "Custom AP maps".
http://www.pdxtuning.com/mapupgrade.htm

Click that and fill out the form. They will contact you shortly thereafter (about two to three days) and will not charge you until your maps are ready and emailed to you.

V

east milford wrx

06-04-2006, 11:01 PM

Tenacious Bee

06-05-2006, 12:39 AM

Alright hear this, its nothing much but my experience with a pdx map. i had a "custom" map made for my sti with a catless tbe and cobb intake. The most i ever boosted to was 15.5 psi in a fifth gear pull once. Otherwise i only made high 13's in psi

Are you certain you flashed both maps ? The base map is a low boost map. You don't get the performance until you flash the real time map over the pdx base map. If you have already done that then something is very wrong.

Bishop

06-05-2006, 03:47 AM

Alright hear this, its nothing much but my experience with a pdx map. i had a "custom" map made for my sti with a catless tbe and cobb intake. The most i ever boosted to was 15.5 psi in a fifth gear pull once. Otherwise i only made high 13's in psi

and have you contacted pdx about this? how long has them map been flashed onto your ecu? i'm sure they offered you some loggin software.

MF-DIF

06-05-2006, 05:12 PM

Man I just noticed they began charging a premium for autox & race gas maps. When I called a few months ago they said they could include it for the $150. Now it looks like +$25 for autox map, +$50 for race gas. I should have acted sooner. Econ 101 at work. LOL.

theicewall

06-05-2006, 05:42 PM

Or wait a year until no one buys anything anymore and the demand will be lower.

east milford wrx

06-14-2006, 08:41 PM

Yes i called them once and they tried selling my some software to data log...F that. My car was all stock except the exhaust and cobb short ram like the tune was for. If i had to do it again i would not buy their map. save another 150 and get a pro tune. infact my car was not faster then it was with out the AP. First track pass was a 13.6. i flashed the car a couple days later and went back two weeks later...They said give it two weeks... i went back...13.7 was my best.. both times i had the same 60ft all with good shifts.

Tenacious Bee

06-16-2006, 09:32 AM

Well that's not cool at all. Funny about the software. They post a link to free software on thier site. My map has been more than worth it. The PDX VF34>cobb VF34 map. I thought I might add in that I am running 94 octane Sunoco Ultra and an STi top mount.

That has been my experience.

jdgrimm

06-16-2006, 12:05 PM

you guys are making me excited for my new map. Sent the order in last week said i'd get it soon. i will be getting dyno'd soon there after with the differences of cobb v. pdx on a stg2 02 wrx.

theicewall

06-16-2006, 12:10 PM

east milford wrx

06-16-2006, 08:29 PM

pdx maps are a waste... for 150 more you can easily get a pro tune. sure you may have to travel but i think your engines longevity is worth that.

Tenacious Bee

06-17-2006, 07:36 AM

I have a Mac computer and no one makes the free (or any i dont think) data logging software for Macs which makes me still leary about the number of people who said they needed to log and send the logs back to them for a better tune. I would have to buy the tune and then just pray that it's right on the first try and not doing any harm which sounds like bad juju.

Not really. All you would need is a friend with a windows based laptop and about ten minutes to log the data. Also, the logging is done to fine tune the map to your car for more performance not to make sure your motor does not pop. PDX maps are no more dangerous that Cobb maps.

Tenacious Bee

06-17-2006, 07:51 AM

pdx maps are a waste... for 150 more you can easily get a pro tune. sure you may have to travel but i think your engines longevity is worth that.

I would agree with this as far as the expenditure goes except for one thing. I cannot find anyone to tune my car for 300 dollars. 500 is more the norm around here. While it is true a dyno tune is better than an off the shelf map f there are times when that is not an option or some time must pass before it can be done. If one decides to run an ots map then they have to choose between Cobb's map for the entire country or PDX's more specific for your mods tune. For my 150 I ended up with a 500 rpm reduction before meaningful boost comes on and 3 pounds more boost to redline. Not a waste to me. So for the price of two nice dinners, one lunch and a round of drinks at the club my car is faster until I get tuned. There will be a two and one half month gap between my turbo install and dyno tune. ( only three weeks to go :banana: ) I decided that I wanted all I could get out of my car in the mean time.

jdgrimm

06-17-2006, 11:18 AM

I would agree with this as far as the expenditure goes except for one thing. I cannot find anyone to tune my car for 300 dollars. 500 is more the norm around here. While it is true a dyno tune is better than an off the shelf map f there are times when that is not an option or some time must pass before it can be done. If one decides to run an ots map then they have to choose between Cobb's map for the entire country or PDX's more specific for your mods tune. For my 150 I ended up with a 500 rpm reduction before meaningful boost comes on and 3 pounds more boost to redline. Not a waste to me. So for the price of two nice dinners, one lunch and a round of drinks at the club my car is faster until I get tuned. There will be a two and one half month gap between my turbo install and dyno tune. ( only three weeks to go :banana: ) I decided that I wanted all I could get out of my car in the mean time.

i couldnt agree with this statement more.

east milford wrx

06-17-2006, 01:58 PM

Your wrong. xx tuning in CT is doing a pro tune for my accessport for 300. How about you back up your statement with some evidence showing how safe the map is compared to a cobb map.

Tenacious Bee

06-17-2006, 02:25 PM

Your wrong. xx tuning in CT is doing a pro tune for my accessport for 300. How about you back up your statement with some evidence showing how safe the map is compared to a cobb map.

If you are looking for an argument you have come to the wrong place. :D Connecticut is not around here. I am in Western Pa. I am about 7 hours from connecticut. It is worth 200 dollars to cut seven hours round trip to get tuned by a very well known shop with a good rep. I am not saying that xx is not a well respected shop by that sentence. I am saying I can get to agile in half the time making it a day trip for me. A friend of mine did make the trip to XX and was happy with the results.

As far as the maps go I have logs of both. Both looked over by some one of the more knowledgeable guys on the engine management forum as well as some of the locals. No knock or dramatically pulled timing from either just better performance from the PDX map.

I never disagreed with you. I said that if you can get tuned for three hundred dollars skip PDX. As far as PDX being a waste of money ? I cannot agree with you. I made more power with my PDX maps at both stage 2 and 2.5. This is a simple and unarguable fact for me. You know how these forums work. If PDX maps were causing problems or not delivering as promised there would be threads all over the place about it. Ask Quirt Crawford about that :lol: Good luck with your tune at XX. I would be interested in how much they get you over your baseline.

theicewall

06-17-2006, 03:34 PM

Not really. All you would need is a friend with a windows based laptop and about ten minutes to log the data. Also, the logging is done to fine tune the map to your car for more performance not to make sure your motor does not pop. PDX maps are no more dangerous that Cobb maps.

Ironically, I dont have any friends with windows based laptops, but anyway it seems as if most people who posted here complain that even though there is more power they are having hesitation and studdering at lower rpms in 2nd and 3rd gear until they log one or two times. I was hopeful that this would be something where they knew exactly what changes needed to be made for X or Y modification from experience with tuning other cars with those mods and that they could give you something that didn't need to be tweaked but I guess that is super dooper hopeful and since tuning on a dyno doesnt really work like that then neither should this I suppose. I think Im going to find someone with a windows based laptop and do a few logs before applying for a PDX map and maybe sending them my logs could make it so that they could come up with a great map right off the bat that doesnt need to be tweaked as much.

Are the revisions after their original maps additional flashes or do they just fix the realitime map?

Tenacious Bee

06-17-2006, 03:56 PM

Ironically, I dont have any friends with windows based laptops, but anyway it seems as if most people who posted here complain that even though there is more power they are having hesitation and studdering at lower rpms in 2nd and 3rd gear until they log one or two times. I was hopeful that this would be something where they knew exactly what changes needed to be made for X or Y modification from experience with tuning other cars with those mods and that they could give you something that didn't need to be tweaked but I guess that is super dooper hopeful and since tuning on a dyno doesnt really work like that then neither should this I suppose. I think Im going to find someone with a windows based laptop and do a few logs before applying for a PDX map and maybe sending them my logs could make it so that they could come up with a great map right off the bat that doesnt need to be tweaked as much.

Are the revisions after their original maps additional flashes or do they just fix the realitime map?

The revisions are realtime maps. This brings up a point of interest for me. More than once I have disconnected my battery while working on the car and forgotten to reflash the real time map. :o

Steve Nastoff

06-19-2006, 02:50 PM

I totally agree with nitavern and his reply to east milford wrx. I have been running the PDX maps for 3 months now and I'm totally happy. The difference between the Cobb and PDX maps is night and day. Of course I'm running pretty much the same exact combination as nitavern and 94 octane also. Quite frankly I'm not certain who I would trust to tune my car in my area. Bottem line is that we are stating facts based on our experience and not on speculation.

ADR 04STi

07-10-2006, 03:35 PM

Update: I posted something back in this thread in 3/12/06 about my maps.
Its totally worth it ($150.00) and my STi runs killer. I agree with other members about how awesome the car runs without needing a offical "pro-tune" on a dyno. Who cares how much one pro-tuners map makes over another or who tunes better or what dyno is more accurate???
I had a OTS Cobb Stg-2-93 v1.10 with a K&N Typhoon. I had PDX make me some 93 maps and a 100oct map as well (yet to try). I noticed a nite & day difference with the refined PDX map that was more situated for my gas/area then Cobbs. Ive said this before. .my STi is smoother,quieter, doesnt jerk as much, spools like 500rpm sooner. . much more torque, better throttle response, pulls like a freight train, while holding boost better at redline.Feels app 20HP gain. So im still 150% satisifed with my PDX Tuning maps.
I didnt really know how fast my STi was until I tangled with a brand new C-6 :D
We were both going app 80mph when he decided to stand on it. He couldnt shake me. . the 1st time he took off first then I caught up when he let off. The second time I knew he was going to stand on it after a clear break I hit my I/C button like 5X and maybe got a split second advantage going WOT. . where he just barely was pulling on me in 5th. . he had an advantage (400HP) but was surprised he couldnt shake me. . I redlined 5th and then in 6th he was then starting to pull away. I was very surprised that I was a pest to him. . the guy even beeped & waved too. Thats my proof and my butt dyno and wallet are very happy.:banana:and thats on the 93 map(hot&very humid out). .now the 100oct map. .that would of been a a different story.:D

ps: I really dont want to hear about racing on the street. . say what you will.We have all done it.(StreetFire)I bought an STi not a Corolla. Besides its good to open it up every once and a while.