Since people seem to have opinions about all types of cars I figured I would ask here.....what are your thoughts on owning an Infiniti G35 Coupe over the WRX.... looking for something with sports car performance for < 35K but need four seats, and I like the look of the G35

The only knock I have against them is that I see roughly 4000 of them a day.

Do you plan on having adults in the backseat very often? The backseat in the G35 coupe isn't too bad space wise but it's still not a place I'd like to be stuck for more than a few minutes.

^I agree.

But the car is GORGEOUS. :o

The 6sp with brembos in black or blue is ... so sweet.

why not a STi.??

beats the crap out of the G35.
but if ur looking for luxury then its a cool car.

so i post this and in 4 minutes i have responses...dont you people have jobs...just kidding i look around all day too....i dont care about adults being comfortable in the car except for the one in the drivers seat (me)...other than that will mostly be using the back to haul 2 kids....want more luxury than STI...although it would probably be best just sticking with my fully paid for WRX

Would you consider a Legacy GT? They're a good family vehicle with some powAr to boot.


Mika

I think the g35 handles better. but under powered but theres always twin turbo kits available.Oh yah I don't like the way the clutch feels on or off no room for slipping.

I traded my '02 WRX in for a G35 coupe about a year ago. I love my G35, it looks great, handles pretty good and has enough power to have a little fun every now and then. IMO it doesn't compare to having an STi but they are two very different cars. I have an athens blue G35 so I have only seen two others in that color since I bought mine. There are a ton of them on the road though. I don't think that you would be dissapointed if you picked one up.

ibetkevinisgonnapostabouthowkickassthecaris

yeah if ur WRX is paid off then keep it and just swap in a ver7 motor and tranny.

if u have the cash, get an audi rs4 or 6 or whatever it is.

or wait til the skyline comes out

there was a guy on this forum who gave his stage 2 WRX to his brother and got a g35 and said it was teh slowar

STi > G35 coupe

in every category but heavy cushy crud...

and STi rear brembos are bigger... ;)

and WAY more rear seat room in an impreza...

STi > G35 coupe

in every category but heavy cushy crud...or picking up MILFS :banana:
fixed! ;)

fixed! ;)
z4=better milf getter... ;)

I think the g35 handles better. but under powered but theres always twin turbo kits available.Oh yah I don't like the way the clutch feels on or off no room for slipping.


The 6-speed has 298 horsepower and 260 ft. lbs of torque. It's pretty heavy, but definitely not underpowered. And the 6-speed is awesome.

I think the g35 handles better. but under powered but theres always twin turbo kits available.Oh yah I don't like the way the clutch feels on or off no room for slipping.

Only problem with introducing forced induction into the G35's is that you'd have to get forged internals.

Still a darn nice ride though. If I had my choice, I'd probably pick a LGT. Less booty to get, but more booty haulin' action...



Mika

The only knock I have against them is that I see roughly 4000 of them a day.

You must blink alot, I see 6000/day :lol:

But I agree, HOT cars nonetheless.

My friend has the most decked out one you can get and it's pretty nice. Amazingly though for a premium car there are many squeaks and rattles. Good handling, great exhaust note, and plenty of torque are it's strengths IMHO.

Mike
http://kanedasrealm.net

2 completely different cars between WRX and G35. G35 more luxurious. why not go for a 350z?

2 completely different cars between WRX and G35. G35 more luxurious. why not go for a 350z?

Said he had kids.

2 completely different cars between WRX and G35. G35 more luxurious. why not go for a 350z?


Because it's way overpriced and fugly.

I dont think so, but you have your opinion and i have mine.

want more luxury than STI...although it would probably be best just sticking with my fully paid for WRX

I was going through the same thing a few months ago because the G35 and the STI were my final choices. But from your statement above, I think you may have made your choice already. I wanted more performance, less luxury so that's how I ended up with the STI. If you want more comfort, the G35 will give it to you and I think the coupe is a great looking car. Even though it has a lot of power, its weight prevents it from feeling as nimble. But I'm sure it will be fun to drive and you'll definitely be more pampered.

The G35 is getting a little long in the tooth, though. Have you considered the new BMW 3-series? It's topped a lot of comparison tests, but I had to rule it out because with the engine and options I wanted it put it out of my budget.

One more thing, I've learned that what is "best" is not always what you want. ;)

just get the lexus IS350 or an acura TL G35's are very sexy in that bright red color with some 20" deep dish wheels. with the brembos and lowered just a lil bit. with the 6 speed of course. the IS350 is sexy also.

The WRX can't hold a candle to the G35. The 35 has more power stock and it's interior is light years better than the WRX. You do pay for the luxury however. If you have the money to spend it's a no brainer for a comfortable nice daily driving car. If you are more concerned with performance and speed then look at a WRX as they are more easily moddable.

just get the lexus IS350 or an acura TL G35's are very sexy in that bright red color with some 20" deep dish wheels. with the brembos and lowered just a lil bit. with the 6 speed of course. the IS350 is sexy also.
gonna be hard to get it for under 35K, but it will be close, both are fantastic cars. would love to own a IS350, fiance is looking to get one possibly.

The WRX can't hold a candle to the G35. The 35 has more power stock and it's interior is light years better than the WRX.

35 might have more power, but it's a lot heavier. So I think in terms of performance, the WRX can hold a candle to a G35 ;)

Unless you are going for the look, keep the WRX. It's paid for. Add a VF39, high flow exhaust with cat, modded stock injectors, bigger TMIC, and a reflash. You'll get at least 300hp with that without having to go crazy with the tune. Now for the luxury. Sound deaden the doors, floor, spare tire well and firewall, get a double din radio/dvd/cd/nav system, and get a katskin leather for your seats. This can all be done for about 6 car payments of the G35 coupe.

Since people seem to have opinions about all types of cars I figured I would ask here.....what are your thoughts on owning an Infiniti G35 Coupe over the WRX.... looking for something with sports car performance for < 35K but need four seats, and I like the look of the G35

thought I'd reply since I went the opposite way you're considering. I special ordered a 2004 G35 coupe 6 speed with all options, rove and modded it for 2 years then replaced it with the STi. if you get one, go with an 04 6 speed. only 03 and 04 have Brembos and only on the 6 speed models. the nav system rox. the back seat isn't much more than storage space. adults unless small barely fit. it's a great car though, I loved and plan to get another one some day when I've built my STi beyond the daily driver usefulness.

I traded my 03 6spd Brembo navi model for my 05 LGT....no regrets...for a daily/city/kid haulin' car, the G is not the way to go, unless maybe you get the sedan....it's a little softer of a ride....the coupe would be great to mod/track....the subies are just much more versatile....and cost effective....I also broke down recently and bought a second suby for a daily (modded) driver....I vote to just mod your WRX and/or swap the motor and you'll be more than happy....

Inerior Lacks in design IMO, ID take a 350Z over a G35

why not a STi.??

beats the crap out of the G35.
but if ur looking for luxury then its a cool car.

Hmm no it doesn't. I have raced a few stock/modded STIs and I am right dead with them. And I have a 05 6mt G35 sedan.

why would you bring this back to make a street racing comment?

35 might have more power, but it's a lot heavier. So I think in terms of performance, the WRX can hold a candle to a G35 ;)

The STI weighs...... 3351.
The G35 Sedan ..... 3472
The G35 Coupe ..... 3524

So in reality the G35 isn't that much heavier. 120lb for the sedan and about 150 or so lb for the Coupe.

Do you have a problem? This is a forum. And I was correcting mis-information.

Do you have a problem? This is a forum. And I was correcting mis-information.

I have a modded wrx. You would be nowhere near it.

a modded sti will walk away from me. If you want theres a nice track down in Ennis where we could demonstrate this "mis-information"

The STI weighs...... 3351.
The G35 Sedan ..... 3472
The G35 Coupe ..... 3524

So in reality the G35 isn't that much heavier. 120lb for the sedan and about 150 or so lb for the Coupe.


edit:

oh nevermind, this thread was asking about the G35 coupe....so, in that case, an STi, LGT, or keeping his WRX and doing a motor swap would be a much smarter investment than a G35 coupe...hands down.

vehicle weight aside, the G still sucks in comparison (to any of the 3 options above) IMO... boosted AWD FTW!

Do you have a problem? This is a forum. And I was correcting mis-information.
who are you talking to? this isnt TRS. why are you here? :confused:
the G35 is an awesome car, but its completely different from a WRX, they do not compare. apples to oranges.

Good luxury/performance combo for a 30-34k car. You can find plenty of used coupes or sedans around for cheaper. I think the resale drops off quite a bit though. :( If you try to compare the G35 to a Subaru, try comparing to a Legacy. The STi & WRX are unique vehicles and aren't luxury/performace vehicles. Well, maybe some performance ;)

who are you talking to? this isnt TRS. why are you here? :confused:
the G35 is an awesome car, but its completely different from a WRX, they do not compare. apples to oranges.

the g35 needs nawss.

CTS-V
it can't be that much more than the G35, those are pretty expensive.

Do you have a problem? This is a forum. And I was correcting mis-information.

1. This is a Subaru forum, not a street racing forum. Please refer to clubsi or trs for the later.

2. The G35 coupe does 0-60 in 5.83 sec and 1/4 in 14.23 @ 99.4mph (according to Motortrend).

3. The WRX does 0-60 in 5.8 sec and the 1/4 in 14.44 @ 93.41.

4. The WRX STi does 0-60 in 4.7 sec and the 1/4 in 13.3 @ 100.1mph.

5. The Evo 8 MR does 0-60 in 4.7 sec and the 1/4 in 13.3 @ 102.1mph.

Is it possible that you beat some shmuck on a street race, but the G35 coupe is slower than the STI (stock for stock) and just as fast as a stock WRX. Now go back to clubsi.

stink'n street racers, give all tuners a bad rep

who are you talking to? this isnt TRS. why are you here? :confused:
the G35 is an awesome car, but its completely different from a WRX, they do not compare. apples to oranges.

Who cares if its not TRS. I have been a member on here for 3 years I just forgot my old account pw and my email has changed.

I have always liked the WRX. Reason why I am part of the group down here with guys with the STIs that I ran.

Who said we were discussing street racing. I know I didn't. :rolleyes:

G35 Sedan 6mt and Coupe do 5.6 0-60 and 13.7-14.1 at 99-103 mph bone stock. Depending on the driver and conditions.

WRX is much slower than a G35 no doubt about that. Look at the trap speed. If you think its faster than a G35 you need to go learn the basics of racing. Reason why I kill them on a roll. But its a different story from a stop and we know AWD rules in that area.

Your calling a few members here shmucks now eh? Sad to see you calling people names.

My G35 has the MREV kit which gives it around 20 hp and 20 tq throughout the whole mid-range. And people who have taken the car to the track have ran 103+ with this setup and 13.5-13.7.

1. This is a Subaru forum, not a street racing forum. Please refer to clubsi or trs for the later.

2. The G35 coupe does 0-60 in 5.83 sec and 1/4 in 14.23 @ 99.4mph (according to Motortrend).

3. The WRX does 0-60 in 5.8 sec and the 1/4 in 14.44 @ 93.41.

4. The WRX STi does 0-60 in 4.7 sec and the 1/4 in 13.3 @ 100.1mph.

5. The Evo 8 MR does 0-60 in 4.7 sec and the 1/4 in 13.3 @ 102.1mph.

Is it possible that you beat some shmuck on a street race, but the G35 coupe is slower than the STI (stock for stock) and just as fast as a stock WRX. Now go back to clubsi.

Subaru > Nissan.
AWD > RWD.
FI > NA.


that is all.

1) And now you have to explain how Subaru owns Nissan or for that matter Infiniti? Because it sure doesn't to what I see.

2) AWD owns RWD only in weather conditions or 0-20 launching. RWD owns it in every other area. BTW, G35X AWD system owns the Subaru system in technology.

3) FI - Sure, but V6 > 4 Banger

Subaru > Nissan.
AWD > RWD.
FI > NA.


that is all.

Who said we were discussing street racing. I know I didn't. :rolleyes:

You are right.... but everyone here knows that there is no rolling start at the real drag strip... sooooo..... go away already?

Reason why I kill them on a roll. But its a different story from a stop and we know AWD rules in that area.

Nope, Don't need to go away. You need to act your age. (Or maybe you are?)

Welp, thats why the STI guys ran me down here from a roll right. lol

1) And now you have to explain how Subaru owns Nissan or for that matter Infiniti? Because it sure doesn't to what I see.

Beause he is biased just like you are... it really goes "Car I own > Car you own"

2) AWD owns RWD only in weather conditions or 0-20 launching. RWD owns it in every other area. BTW, G35X AWD system owns the Subaru system in technology.

RWD does not own "in every other area"... again... "My car > Your car" is at work here too. And the Nissan system may own in technology, but the Subaru system is just as if not more effective.... and less technology also means that it is eaiser to work on and repair... so there are some ways the Nissan system may win... some ways it loses.

3) FI - Sure, but V6 > 4 Banger

Comparing the Suby FI 4 cylinder to a NA is apples to oranges... so what is your point here? We are not comparing the 300HP V6 in the Nissan to the 127HP 4 cylinder in the older Civic EX.

Nope, Don't need to go away. You need to act your age. (Or maybe you are?)

Welp, thats why the STI guys ran me down here from a roll right. lol

Act my age? And you are acting so much older than me? :lol: :rolleyes:

1) RWD owns in handling department. 52/48 or 50/50 is awesome weight distribution. You don't get that with a AWD car.

2) Last I heard the Scooby System is FWD biased over the G35X system RWD biased. Reason why its system has been rated the best for AWD abilities even over Audi which has always been known to have the best AWD system out. Same system that was in the Skyline GTR.

3) Nah true, just responding to his response :)

Act my age? And you are acting so much older than me? :lol: :rolleyes:

I haven't called anyone names or made stupid comments like a few have here. Your the one attacking me when I didn't even say anything negative above in my first two posts on this topic. :rolleyes:

I am also not here to start a arguement like some of you have started and also calling each other persons cars names of some type. I plan to purchase a STI in the near future.

The STI overall is a better car over the EVO. I can't stand the cheapness that Mitsu put into that car and Subaru at least has some refinement. Maybe I have grown use to more refined cars like my G35. Audi A4 I have had in the past.

Anyways, what is the plans for any future models of the STI? More power, special editions, etc?

I haven't called anyone names or made stupid comments like a few have here. Your the one attacking me when I didn't even say anything negative above in my first two posts on this topic. :rolleyes:

You are right... in some cases the 350Z/G35 do own the WRX.... but not in all areas and some things that both sides claim are simply "My car is better than your car" and are not founded on very much at all. And my name calling is towards street racers as I would tell any one of you that you are a fooland a moron for participating in such activities... but maybe that is because a street racers put me in the hospital with a nice trip there strapped to a back board? Yeah... that could be it.

Stupid/baseless comments like:

I have raced a few stock/modded STIs and I am right dead with themBecause that MUST mean the G35 is faster.

G35 Sedan 6mt and Coupe do 5.6 0-60 and 13.7-14.1 at 99-103 mph bone stock.According to who?

Depending on the driver and conditions. One of the "classic" ricer excuses for being slower.

WRX is much slower than a G35 no doubt about that. Look at the trap speed. Yet it runs .1 second slower to the 1/4 mile with 73 less HP. That is not "much slower."

If you think its faster than a G35 you need to go learn the basics of racing. Never said it was faster. The basics of racing is "Who ever makes it to the 1/4 marker is faster, wins." ;)

Your calling a few members here shmucks now eh? Yes I am if they are racing on the street. What's your point?

My G35 has the MREV kit which gives it around 20 hp and 20 tq throughout the whole mid-range. And people who have taken the car to the track have ran 103+ with this setup and 13.5-13.7.[quote] I thought you wanted to talk stock for stock? There are plenty of Civics that are modified that would eat you lunch, but we aren't talking modified cars ;)

[quote]RWD owns it in every other area Absolutely "every other area?" Nope... there are too many other factors and variables in the equation to draw suck a simplistic conclusion.

G35X AWD system owns the Subaru system in technology. Another "classic" ricer excuse born from the VTEC systems in Hondas. Technology does not make something better or faster... it just makes it have more computers to run it.

Sure, but V6 > 4 Banger Again... another absolute? So the V6 in the Hyundai Tiburon is better than the I4 in the S2000?

You need to act your age. And you said something about me insulting?

RWD owns in handling department. 52/48 or 50/50 is awesome weight distribution. You don't get that with a AWD car. Another absolute? But according to some sources, the Skyline GTR is 50/50... and it is AWD...

Last I heard the Scooby System is FWD biased over the G35X system RWD biased. Last I checked the torque split of the Impreza is either 35/65 or 50/50 depending on the year/model. It is not a sytem that is FWD until it detects slip and then sends power to the rear wheels like... say the Honda Pilot is. It is true AWD... :)

I am also not here to start a arguement like some of you have started and also calling each other persons cars names of some type. I plan to purchase a STI in the near future. So you bumped an old/dead thread for what reason?

The STI overall is a better car over the EVO. I can't stand the cheapness that Mitsu put into that car and Subaru at least has some refinement. Maybe I have grown use to more refined cars like my G35. Audi A4 I have had in the past. This is according to you though since most reviewers rate the Evo as a higher performing sports car than the STI... but the STI higher because of the Evo's "cheap" interior bits.

Anyways, what is the plans for any future models of the STI? More power, special editions, etc? To stay on top of the pack, they will have to increase the HP... I mean in japan FHI gets 276 or more HP out of the 2L... so isn't 300 out of the 2.5 a little under utilized? What the Suby community should wait to see is the response Suby gives to the Evo 10 since it is such a radical departure from what the traditional Evo is/was.

1) You assume that I meant it was faster when I never said such a thing. I didn't even mention one of my races I beat the STI by a full car length. It was the stock one.

2) According to owners on the forum

3) .1 sec slower 1/4, but 6-8mph faster in the trap speed which is MUCH faster. The higher the trap speed the faster the car actually is.

4) Okay I trust you on the AWD part since I will admit I do not know much about the subaru systems. I had a Quattro which was FWD biased but it was still fun on the ice :).

You are right... in some cases the 350Z/G35 do own the WRX.... but not in all areas and some things that both sides claim are simply "My car is better than your car" and are not founded on very much at all. And my name calling is towards street racers as I would tell any one of you that you are a fooland a moron for participating in such activities... but maybe that is because a street racers put me in the hospital with a nice trip there strapped to a back board? Yeah... that could be it.

Stupid/baseless comments like:

Because that MUST mean the G35 is faster.

According to who?

One of the "classic" ricer excuses for being slower.

Yet it runs .1 second slower to the 1/4 mile with 73 less HP. That is not "much slower."

Never said it was faster. The basics of racing is "Who ever makes it to the 1/4 marker is faster, wins." ;)

Yes I am if they are racing on the street. What's your point?

[quote]My G35 has the MREV kit which gives it around 20 hp and 20 tq throughout the whole mid-range. And people who have taken the car to the track have ran 103+ with this setup and 13.5-13.7.[quote] I thought you wanted to talk stock for stock? There are plenty of Civics that are modified that would eat you lunch, but we aren't talking modified cars ;)

Absolutely "every other area?" Nope... there are too many other factors and variables in the equation to draw suck a simplistic conclusion.

Another "classic" ricer excuse born from the VTEC systems in Hondas. Technology does not make something better or faster... it just makes it have more computers to run it.

Again... another absolute? So the V6 in the Hyundai Tiburon is better than the I4 in the S2000?

And you said something about me insulting?

Another absolute? But according to some sources, the Skyline GTR is 50/50... and it is AWD...

Last I checked the torque split of the Impreza is either 35/65 or 50/50 depending on the year/model. It is not a sytem that is FWD until it detects slip and then sends power to the rear wheels like... say the Honda Pilot is. It is true AWD... :)

So you bumped an old/dead thread for what reason?

This is according to you though since most reviewers rate the Evo as a higher performing sports car than the STI... but the STI higher because of the Evo's "cheap" interior bits.

To stay on top of the pack, they will have to increase the HP... I mean in japan FHI gets 276 or more HP out of the 2L... so isn't 300 out of the 2.5 a little under utilized? What the Suby community should wait to see is the response Suby gives to the Evo 10 since it is such a radical departure from what the traditional Evo is/was.

This thread was only 2 weeks old from the last post. I wouldn't call that old. I don't get around to other forums much.

I agree on the HP/EVO10 deal. Wait and see. That is what I am doing.

Hey G35, you still haven't answered my callout yet.
100 bucks could be yours if your G35 is so fast!
come on! :)

that being said, you really seem to be a magazine racer. AWD > RWD on the track and on the street. Every. Single. Time.

you can give more throttle at the apex and get on the throttle much much earlier in an awd car than you can on a rwd car especially for 90% of drivers who lack the proper throttle manipulation skills to not lose all their power to traction loss in a RWD car.

There's a reason awd cars are so great at autocross.

oh and the subaru AWD system is NOT FWD based at all. It is a true AWD system. Ever looked inside a subaru or underneath one? There is no transaxle, it looks very similar to a rwd car.

Personally I'd take a WRX over a G35, but the wrx is so much cheaper.
The STi I would still take over a G35. It is faster in every single way, except maybe at a roll in which the aerodynamics of it might take its toll.

Once you start modifying it, the STi is a much better car, responding better to each modification.

The G35 AWD version I think you are talking about does NOT have the same ATTESA system as the skyline GTR. There is a reason the GTR carries an 80k price tag. The GTR is RWD until it detects slip much like the lamborghini diablo VT.

I am a virtual encyclopedia of car information so feel free to ask anything instead of going off of "from what I understand" :)

This is according to you though since most reviewers rate the Evo as a higher performing sports car than the STI... but the STI higher because of the Evo's "cheap" interior bits.

To stay on top of the pack, they will have to increase the HP... I mean in japan FHI gets 276 or more HP out of the 2L... so isn't 300 out of the 2.5 a little under utilized? What the Suby community should wait to see is the response Suby gives to the Evo 10 since it is such a radical departure from what the traditional Evo is/was.
In Japan they use a lot more high tech fun stuff on their 2L. The ej207 is miles ahead of the 257, but Americans, especially subaru owners, kept complaining about the lag and lack of low end torque on the WRX because we are weenies who hate turbo cars. The supra and RX7 got the same complaints despite both companies' best efforts to produce sequential turbo systems.

the 257 was a response to this. The 207 gets that power by revving past 8000 rpm.

The only response Subaru will have to the EVO X is to redo the impreza to be a more expensive platform, putting it out of the reach of many of the enthusiasts who are buying them now.
The STI alone is a stretch for most of the Subaru loyalist budget.
The new evo will be much of the same and will likely be a failure in the same way that the supra TT and RX7 were failures in their own right here in America.

I predict that if the EVO X is priced as we are all expecting it to be (somewhere in the 40's) it will fail. Why? Because of the interest rates and especially due to the weakened US dollar. People are no longer able to finance the same kind of cars they used to, especially in the upper eschelon where interest rates really start to have a profound effect on the final purchase price of the car.

This will mean that these cars will only be accessible to those who can afford to plunk down a very large percentage of the purchase price in cash.

It will be very soon that most of us won't be able to afford even a 30k car as interest rates for loans for the average person rise towards 7 and 8 percent, as they already are for many people I know with "average" credit.


I've started doing financial advising/planning for a few friends (nothing terribly advanced) and we are in a sort of midpoint right now as interest rates will likely continue to rise before dropping again like we experienced in the late 1990's. People will save a much larger portion of their income simply because of the increased incentive.

To stay on top of the pack, they will have to increase the HP... I mean in japan FHI gets 276 or more HP out of the 2L... so isn't 300 out of the 2.5 a little under utilized? What the Suby community should wait to see is the response Suby gives to the Evo 10 since it is such a radical departure from what the traditional Evo is/was.

this may be their answer, but I hope not...

http://www.wrxtuners.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1164&d=1140791719

It's funny how you guys are calling G35_TX a mag racer when he wasn't the one who quoted mag times in the first place ignoring trap speeds.

The new evo will be much of the same and will likely be a failure in the same way that the supra TT and RX7 were failures in their own right here in America.

As an enthusiast on a budget, I see this happening with all of the lines right now... Price the cars higher and higher until they hit that ceiling again. Pontiac is doing this with the GTO... thousands more than the F bodies it replaced for marginal (at best) increases in performance. The price of the STI at nearly $35K absolutely prices it out of theenthusiast's range...at least those who also have the whole LIFE thing going outside of cars... and that is sad. I am by far not an "old schooler" with imports or sports cars... I have only been a part of the crowd for about 8 years now, but I remember a time when my GSR sedan was considered to be a quick car that was fun to drive... ;)

The upward climb of prices on sports cars is about to knock me out of buying a new one that is for sure... I am about to get a house and such, so i will not have $600+ a month for a car payment... and sadly enough, there are other plans in the tumbler for me to get back to either a more basic approach to on road fun or to get totally off of the road for the fun... neither of which would cost me more than $10K for something that I can have tons more fun in.

It's funny how you guys are calling G35_TX a mag racer when he wasn't the one who quoted mag times in the first place ignoring trap speeds.
You know... in every drag race even ti have watch, the winner is not determined by the trap speed... it is determined by who gets down the 1/4 quicker (the ET)... again, I am not talking street racing where someone may drag a race out 2+ miles just to get an advantage... just the 1/4 mile.

AWD > RWD on the track and on the street. Every. Single. Time.
Uhh... I think you've got that backwards...

The G35 AWD version I think you are talking about does NOT have the same ATTESA system as the skyline GTR. There is a reason the GTR carries an 80k price tag. The GTR is RWD until it detects slip much like the lamborghini diablo VT.

I am a virtual encyclopedia of car information so feel free to ask anything instead of going off of "from what I understand" :)
Although I'm no encyclopedia of information I have spent exstensive time actually driving a Skyline and own an STI, and can say first hand they are very very similar in the way they respond and transfer power back to front...

Uhh... I think you've got that backwards...


Although I'm no encyclopedia of information I have spent exstensive time actually driving a Skyline and own an STI, and can say first hand they are very very similar in the way they respond and transfer power back to front...


AWD < RWD?

hmmm...I don't know where you've been driving but on an autoX course or shorter track AWD is a tremendous advantage.

skylines are similar to the sti in the way they respond?

maybe to your feeling, but technologically not as much.
Kudos to actually getting to spend seat time in a GTR.

r32? 33? 34?

WRX/STI or AWD period great at autox? They push in the turns so bad it actually slows them down. I have better times in my G35 and I run the autox every month.


And to correct you, that isn't why the price tag is so high. The G35X has the Atessa system. If you do a search you would find this. www.g35driver.com you can also search as well. That is exactly how the AWD in the G35 does. It detects slip and transfers power to the front.

Hey G35, you still haven't answered my callout yet.
100 bucks could be yours if your G35 is so fast!
come on! :)

that being said, you really seem to be a magazine racer. AWD > RWD on the track and on the street. Every. Single. Time.

you can give more throttle at the apex and get on the throttle much much earlier in an awd car than you can on a rwd car especially for 90% of drivers who lack the proper throttle manipulation skills to not lose all their power to traction loss in a RWD car.

There's a reason awd cars are so great at autocross.

oh and the subaru AWD system is NOT FWD based at all. It is a true AWD system. Ever looked inside a subaru or underneath one? There is no transaxle, it looks very similar to a rwd car.

Personally I'd take a WRX over a G35, but the wrx is so much cheaper.
The STi I would still take over a G35. It is faster in every single way, except maybe at a roll in which the aerodynamics of it might take its toll.

Once you start modifying it, the STi is a much better car, responding better to each modification.

The G35 AWD version I think you are talking about does NOT have the same ATTESA system as the skyline GTR. There is a reason the GTR carries an 80k price tag. The GTR is RWD until it detects slip much like the lamborghini diablo VT.

I am a virtual encyclopedia of car information so feel free to ask anything instead of going off of "from what I understand" :)

The GTO got discontinued on the 23rd of this month GM announced it. Due to its price and looks it didn't go well.

As an enthusiast on a budget, I see this happening with all of the lines right now... Price the cars higher and higher until they hit that ceiling again. Pontiac is doing this with the GTO... thousands more than the F bodies it replaced for marginal (at best) increases in performance. The price of the STI at nearly $35K absolutely prices it out of theenthusiast's range...at least those who also have the whole LIFE thing going outside of cars... and that is sad. I am by far not an "old schooler" with imports or sports cars... I have only been a part of the crowd for about 8 years now, but I remember a time when my GSR sedan was considered to be a quick car that was fun to drive... ;)

The upward climb of prices on sports cars is about to knock me out of buying a new one that is for sure... I am about to get a house and such, so i will not have $600+ a month for a car payment... and sadly enough, there are other plans in the tumbler for me to get back to either a more basic approach to on road fun or to get totally off of the road for the fun... neither of which would cost me more than $10K for something that I can have tons more fun in.

You know... in every drag race even ti have watch, the winner is not determined by the trap speed... it is determined by who gets down the 1/4 quicker (the ET)... again, I am not talking street racing where someone may drag a race out 2+ miles just to get an advantage... just the 1/4 mile.

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Well if you put a car with a 14.2 vs a 14.2 and one that does 93 mph trap and one that does 100~. The winner will obviously be the 100 mph trap.

If you put one that does 13.8 and again 14.2 or 14.1 but a 99 mph trap on one and 102 on the other who will win? It will be so close it will be a replay to see at the end.

The higher the trap speed the car will be catching up at the end because it couldn't get out of the hole faster like the other car that gets more traction can. If you didn't do a 5k launch on a AWD WRX/STI and launched like you would a RWD/FWD car it would be all over for the AWD car vs a G35 lets say.

That is correct. Because the AWD is the Atessa system in the G35X and Skyline GTR R34.

The GTO got discontinued on the 23rd of this month GM announced it. Due to its price and looks it didn't go well.

Damn... missed that... but I didn't think it would take too long... So now three cars have fallen to the Mustang? Ouch... :( Oh well... maybe GM will learn that it cannot price a car like those too far out of the range of the average enthusiast? yeah... right.... :rolleyes:

EDIT: http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060221/FREE/60221009/1024/LATESTNEWS

Ouch... looks like the Solstice GTX/Sky Redline had better be impressive...

AWD < RWD?

hmmm...I don't know where you've been driving but on an autoX course or shorter track AWD is a tremendous advantage.


Why are F1 cars RWD? The fastest drag cars? The fastest car around the nurburgring? The fastest Suby drag car for that matter (esx right?)? Why is the fastest class in stock car and modified autocross dominated exclusively and for the history of the sport by RWD cars...? Where besides rally does AWD dominate? What track anywhere in the world is the lap record set by an awd car?

GM make a impressive car other than the Vette? Ha. They are lucky they are barely still afloat. The Solstice to what I heard is not selling well either.

Davidss, glad to see someone else is into racing as much as I am as well.

The Solstice needs more power... at least 200HP would make it fun to drive... from what I hear, it is kind of a pig as it stand.

I love my G35, I loved my WRX. They are both cool cars and they are both VERY different cars so why try to compare them? I do like the looks of the G35 much more though.. :p

Why are F1 cars RWD? The fastest drag cars? The fastest car around the nurburgring? The fastest Suby drag car for that matter (esx right?)? Why is the fastest class in stock car and modified autocross dominated exclusively and for the history of the sport by RWD cars...? Where besides rally does AWD dominate? What track anywhere in the world is the lap record set by an awd car?

fastest drag cars are RWD because they have gigantic rear tires. This is clearly not the case with street cars. You can run slicks on a street car however that makes it not a street car anymore.

AWD is a tremendous advantage for street cars drag racing and street cars in general. If you use large enough slicks in the rear you dont need two extra drive wheels, however it is much easier to use lesser tires and have all the wheels rolling.

In most racing series, f1 included, AWD is banned. Just look to Audi's racing history (they banned Quattro) to figure out why.

For the same reason rotaries are banned (it is simply too much of an advantage).


If the g35 truly was a better autocross car, I will do a little research and find out. I am interested to see what their autocross times were at SCCA nationals this past year, where my friend's shop prepared the #1 finishing 2004 wrx in STX.

Why are F1 cars RWD? The fastest drag cars? The fastest car around the nurburgring? The fastest Suby drag car for that matter (esx right?)? Why is the fastest class in stock car and modified autocross dominated exclusively and for the history of the sport by RWD cars...? Where besides rally does AWD dominate? What track anywhere in the world is the lap record set by an awd car?

That HKS EVO holds a pretty good lead on all cars in terms of lap records on a US course. I'll do a lookup on it again.

and I just checked SCCA results. The best drivers in SOLO II still couldnt get the nissan 350z within 3 seconds of the winning 04 sti, both on the same tires.

Last I checked the 350z was lighter and significantly better built in terms of handling. I have a great video comparing the two suspension and chassis setups (they are pretty much the same chassis, g35 being longer)


even more embarassing, the DSP car, a 2000 impreza 2.5 RS was running the same times as the fastest nissan on the course.

Maybe the turbo imprezas are a bit much for you nissan guys to handle?

The LGT handles better than the G35. Read this month's Road and Track.

Wow! Tons of misinformation here. I can't beleive we're even having this discussion...

First you have to seperate what makes a car a better autocross car and what makes it a faster car. Stock a G35 is a much better autcross car than a wrx. But that has only to do with what class it's in. An integra type r or mini cooper would be better than either...

Second although drag cars have sticky tires. At the power level they make it's not a problem getting traction, but is putting it through the transmission. Take a look at the skylines down under forums, the fastest drag skylines are GTS-S's or are GTR's with GTS-T transmissions (and these aren't on super giant drag car slicks!!!).

Third even though AWD is banned in some forms of racing, so are 2 and 6 wheeled (http://www.gizmag.com/go/2754/) vehicles. In many forms of racing it isn't. No one has tried to campain an awd mod car in autocross for a long time. Anyone would know except on a rainy day it's just not as fast as rwd. Why until the evo/sti came out were there almost no awd cars in the top 3 stock autocross classes?

Are there fast AWD cars? Of course! Does it offer a traction advantage? Of course! Can you power out of a corner .01 second sooner? Of course! But you're also carrying around a bunch of extra weight so you have to brake sooner and the extra 2 differentials mean you have lost a good bit of horsepower...

Unless it's raining, snowing, muddy, off road, or you're drag racing on all seasons, RWD > AWD.

Wow! Tons of misinformation here. I can't beleive we're even having this discussion...

First you have to seperate what makes a car a better autocross car and what makes it a faster car. Stock a G35 is a much better autcross car than a wrx. But that has only to do with what class it's in. An integra type r or mini cooper would be better than either...

Second although drag cars have sticky tires. At the power level they make it's not a problem getting traction, but is putting it through the transmission. Take a look at the skylines down under forums, the fastest drag skylines are GTS-S's or are GTR's with GTS-T transmissions (and these aren't on super giant drag car slicks!!!).

Third even though AWD is banned in some forms of racing, so are 2 and 6 wheeled (http://www.gizmag.com/go/2754/) vehicles. In many forms of racing it isn't. No one has tried to campain an awd mod car in autocross for a long time. Anyone would know except on a rainy day it's just not as fast as rwd. Why until the evo/sti came out were there almost no awd cars in the top 3 stock autocross classes?

Are there fast AWD cars? Of course! Does it offer a traction advantage? Of course! Can you power out of a corner .01 second sooner? Of course! But you're also carrying around a bunch of extra weight so you have to brake sooner and the extra 2 differentials mean you have lost a good bit of horsepower...

Unless it's raining, snowing, muddy, off road, or you're drag racing on all seasons, RWD > AWD.


I wouldn't say nobody is campaigning an AWD Street Mod car...check this coming year.
It's coming from the same people who built the winning 04 car.

They also tuned my car </shamelessplug>

www.diemanmotorsports.com

just look at the dyno video :banana:

Sorry forgot to specify. I'm talking a mod, or b mod. The fastest of all classes which are basically unrestricted...

2005 Nationals Results (http://www.scca.com/_Filelibrary/File/2005SoloNationals-FINALresults.pdf)

Super Stock: Z06, GT3, Elise with no competing awd cars...
A Stock: 993, C4 Vette and tons of S2000's, fastest awd car (sti) 31st place...
B Stock: RX8, 350Z with no competitive AWD cars...
C Stock: MMMMmiatas and MMMMR2's
D Stock: 1st BMW 330ci, 2nd R32 Golf (GO AWD!!!) then Type R's and a protoge (huh?), this is the stock wrx class with only one entry. IS300 didn't do well either which is a suprise...
E Stock: Pretty much completely dominated by the 1993 MR2!
F Stock: Camaroes, and Mustangs almost no G35's
G Stock: Mini Cooper S land here!
H Stock: Mini Cooper non S land with a few civic's mixed in...

STS: 88-92 Civic Si's dominate, I'd like to see someone try a GC8 Impreza though...
STS2: CRX's and Miata's...
STX: WRX!!! followed by some beemers and one GC8 (did they get moved from STS?)
STU: STI vs M3 here!

It seems at least so far that the STI is more competitive than the EVO which I like!!! And who cares the SRT4 > ALL!!!

The G35 has better handling than the 350z in tests. Longer wheel base helps some. And your comparing a modded car to a not so modded 350z. :rolleyes:

And truthfully all this proves is the driver of the EVO or STI are just bettter drivers.

That HKS EVO holds a pretty good lead on all cars in terms of lap records on a US course. I'll do a lookup on it again.

and I just checked SCCA results. The best drivers in SOLO II still couldnt get the nissan 350z within 3 seconds of the winning 04 sti, both on the same tires.

Last I checked the 350z was lighter and significantly better built in terms of handling. I have a great video comparing the two suspension and chassis setups (they are pretty much the same chassis, g35 being longer)


even more embarassing, the DSP car, a 2000 impreza 2.5 RS was running the same times as the fastest nissan on the course.

Maybe the turbo imprezas are a bit much for you nissan guys to handle?

The G35 has better handling than the 350z in tests. Longer wheel base helps some. And your comparing a modded car to a not so modded 350z. :rolleyes:

And truthfully all this proves is the driver of the EVO or STI are just bettter drivers.
in tests or on the track is a big difference.

I guess I should skip out on getting an sti and just get a g35 then? :alien:

both the lightly modded sti's (you cant really raise boost at all in stx, so its a fair co mparison) and the 350z on hoosiers were pretty equal last I checked.
who really cares though, those cars are SLOW. :devil:

+1 LGT is nice for that kind too. Look into it. : )

The LGT handles better than the G35. Read this month's Road and Track.

:lol: :rolleyes:

not even close....LGT stock suspension is teh sux0r!

:lol: :rolleyes:

not even close....LGT stock suspension is teh sux0r!
the article he's talking about tests the spec B legacy...

:lol: :rolleyes:

not even close....LGT stock suspension is teh sux0r!
The LGT stock tires are worse!

The LGT stock tires are worse!
but the lgt stock tires are the best RE92s on any subaru...

you may laugh, but that low profile makes a world of difference...

try some 225/60/16 re92s and you will know...

but the lgt stock tires are the best RE92s on any subaru...

you may laugh, but that low profile makes a world of difference...

try some 225/60/16 re92s and you will know...
Had a WRX, don't forget. Reguardless, they still suck, they maybe be top level suck, but suck is still suck.

Had a WRX, don't forget. Reguardless, they still suck, they maybe be top level suck, but suck is still suck.
WRX has significantly smaller sidewalls than the size I have now... :lol:

you should see how far I've rolled onto the sides... :eek:

WRX has significantly smaller sidewalls than the size I have now... :lol:

you should see how far I've rolled onto the sides... :eek:
I drove a truck (Tundra) for about a year, I know about sidewall rolling... :lol:

the article he's talking about tests the spec B legacy...


ahhh...I see....which may make his statement closer to the truth, but I have my doubts about the spec B comparison too....

i would take IS350 over G35

Does this look ok? I think they need to be replaced because of the rust. I'm such a n00b at the internets! LOL!!!111!!z

http://static.flickr.com/42/104874321_a5fde62672.jpg

Does this look ok? I think they need to be replaced because of the rust. I'm such a n00b at the internets! LOL!!!111!!z

http://static.flickr.com/42/104874321_a5fde62672.jpg

Here's a bigger picture in case you can't see the rust! lol!z

http://static.flickr.com/42/104874321_a5fde62672_o.jpg

i would take IS350 over G35

is350 is a luxury car not a performance car.

More luxury than sport.

rust = recent rain or wash of car. :) it goes away.

Does this look ok? I think they need to be replaced because of the rust. I'm such a n00b at the internets! LOL!!!111!!z

http://static.flickr.com/42/104874321_a5fde62672.jpg

Anyone have some good pics of the LGT interior?

Does this look ok? I think they need to be replaced because of the rust. I'm such a n00b at the internets! LOL!!!111!!z

http://static.flickr.com/42/104874321_a5fde62672.jpg


oh man, that IS bad! I can replace them for you. just give me a call! :devil:

is350 is a luxury car not a performance car.

More luxury than sport.

Just like the g35. :banana:

but the is350 is the only one that can even compare to the accel of the WRX, 0-60 in 5.3 sec. Subarus are still nicer for it's price range.

Anyone have some good pics of the LGT interior?

http://static.flickr.com/25/65293672_6ddebc51f8_o.jpg

roflz.

but the is350 is the only one that can even compare to the accel of the WRX, 0-60 in 5.3 sec. Subarus are still nicer for it's price range.


lol please

Little too close up for me! :)

Just like the g35. :banana:

The G35 is more Sport than Luxury if you read all the reviews as well as peoples opinions.

The G35 is more Sport than Luxury if you read all the reviews as well as peoples opinions.

Well, I've driven one and I have to say...the performance is okay, but honestly nothing to write home about.

Then again, when your car dynos 30 hp higher than stock evo IX's everything aside from vettes starts to feel kind of sedate.

It's not slow, but its definitely not in is350 territory nor is it in sti territory.

It's sort of a compromise between people who aren't sure if they want a sports car or a luxury car.
I feel the same way about the new is350, even though its performance is actually extremely impressive. I still miss the old 300, which was really built on a performance sedan platform and "made nice" by the lexus touch for the US market.

I feel the same way about the new is350, even though its performance is actually extremely impressive. I still miss the old 300, which was really built on a performance sedan platform and "made nice" by the lexus touch for the US market.

Agreed the IS350's numbers are extremely impressive. Definately something to concider over the 3-series. But the best part of the is300 was the 2jz motor. I just sold mine (turbo IS) which was making about 350whp on complety stock internals!!! The guy who bought it put in a headgasket and is about to crank the boost up even more...

If I wanted a sporty-luxo-coupe (besides another vette) this is what it might look like (this one runs low 10's!!!):
http://www.fototime.com/FCCD41076B4114F/orig.jpg

Well, I've driven one and I have to say...the performance is okay, but honestly nothing to write home about.

Then again, when your car dynos 30 hp higher than stock evo IX's everything aside from vettes starts to feel kind of sedate.

It's not slow, but its definitely not in is350 territory nor is it in sti territory.

It's sort of a compromise between people who aren't sure if they want a sports car or a luxury car.
I feel the same way about the new is350, even though its performance is actually extremely impressive. I still miss the old 300, which was really built on a performance sedan platform and "made nice" by the lexus touch for the US market.

What do you mean its not in IS350 territory? It sure as hell is. Both cars run similar times with the exception of the G35/BMW 3 series still handle better than the IS. The IS now doesn't have the sporty feel like it use too. Plus you can't even disable its traction control fully.

The IS350 runs similar times to a G35... and it has a slushbox. Hopefully Toyota sees the light and puts a manual or SMG-type tranny in that puppy.

I've drive the G35c and the IS350. The only thing they have in common is that they are overpriced. The quality of materials and fit/finish is not worth what these things go for new.

On the used market, I think the G35c is attractive, if you want a luxo-sport coupe with barely useable back seats. I have always loved the design of the car - though the fact that everybody's aunt has one kinda makes it a lot more "ordinary".

The IS350 is impressively fast. I didn't care for the cramped-feeling interior or the overal aesthetics of the plastics/leather used. From the outside it looks dang cool, I think. This car is WAY overpriced, though. Like...WAY WAY WAY overpriced. I drove it back-to-back with an '06 C230 sport and, even though the C230 was not as fast, it had way more in the way of quality - and a 6-speed to boot. It was also $10-$12k cheaper - which made it the winner in my book.

And having driven them both - I'd still say that the IS350 feels quite a bit faster than the G35c (the one I drove was the 6-sp with Brembos). Even if the bench racers say they're about as fast as one another - it's all about how you feel behind the wheel and the IS350 takes the win there.