Just curious what everybodys opinions are on the competetiveness of the '06 WRX in D Stock. Will it run with the Type R and 330?

I don't think it'll carry enough tire to compete with the E46 330ZHP and E90 330.

I don't think it'll carry enough tire to compete with the E46 330ZHP and E90 330.

I thought the 330ZHP was B Stock? I just figured the extra horsepower and bigger brakes might get the WRX a bit closer to the front runners.

Bigger brakes? Uh, that might help fade more but I can't tell you the last time I had brake fade on an autox course. Extra horsepower: It isn't much, but a little helps. The biggest difference is when the power comes on and the change in power curve.

But yes, I'm with ChrisDP: I don't think it can hang either. Locally/regionally could be fun though. :)

-Biggly

I thought the 330ZHP was B Stock? I just figured the extra horsepower and bigger brakes might get the WRX a bit closer to the front runners.

Only the rears are bigger and besides, braking is limited by traction, not stopping power on our cars. There is no reason, on identical tires, that the 06 will stop any shorter than any previous version.

I agree that it will be a fair amount quicker in DS with its new found low end. But that really depends on the layout of the run. Maybe no so much at the national level and their flowing courses.

1/2" wider wheel than before and more torque (and earlier) will certainly help :)

I will be trying the 06 in DS this year. I guess the first question I would have is, how far off was the previous models? So far the closest thing I have had to compare to that was prepped was a 05 SRT-4 ACR on Hoosiers last year. I got him barely and I was stock on some borrowed Conti-Sports. (Thanks Tara)

This year I have updated the suspension and sway bar and will be on 710s, so it should help. Hopefully I will be get the oppurtunity to run against a Type R close by, but I have not seen any 330s close to my region. Are the 330 and Type R close to each other?

Has anyone installed 710s on the 06 yet? If so, how do they fit?

Steve

1/2" wider wheel than before and more torque (and earlier) will certainly help :)
Agreed. The extra torque down low, and wider stock wheels will allow bigger r-compound tires to fit.

I'll be competing with my stock '06 as well in D-stock. Doubt I'll be too competitive during the first half of the season as I won't be able to get a spare set of wheels and r-compound rubber until somtime in the summer... Maybe I'll try and pick up some cheap RE070's from an STI owner. They should fit on the 17x7 wheels w/o any issues and offer up a lot more grip than the stock RE92's...

I drove a stock '06 WRX on a AX course ... I was surprised at how lame it felt. The engine was very flat ... didn't have the turbo oomph of the earlier models. I really didn't feel the extra torque?

I drove a stock '06 WRX on a AX course ... I was surprised at how lame it felt. The engine was very flat ... didn't have the turbo oomph of the earlier models. I really didn't feel the extra torque?
How a car 'feels' is definitely a relative statement. If your '03 WRX wagon is heavily modded, any stock '06 WRX would feel kinda lame... Heck, even an STI might feel lame depending on your car's state of tune. ;)

However, dynos have confirmed that the '06 makes 25+ more whp and a 50+ more wtq than a comparably stock '02-'05 WRX. Just go to Cobb's website and look up their plots done on the same in-house Mustang dyno.

I'm sure it is more powerful ... just don't feel it because their is less turbo power surge. I drove some other stock '05 WRX's that same day. My WRX also doesn't have that stock surge ... being tuned for smoother earlier power delivery. I guess I was just trying to say that the edgy'er raw'er power that attracted a lot of us to WRX's is gone. Yes, it will be interesting to see how the '06's do

With a great driver I believe it could on a regional level IF it is prepared correctly. Big bar up front, 275 width V710's and custom valved Koni's would help.

Dave Mac

noone's mentioned the lack of camber yet! huh?

Until you can get -2 of front camber or more it is going to be a challenge, big front bar or not. But it is poosible to have a good local car with the right driver

Are people going to be able to fit 275s on the 7"wheel w/o modification?

With a great driver I believe it could on a regional level IF it is prepared correctly. Big bar up front, 275 width V710's and custom valved Koni's would help.

Dave Mac

I thought you might be running an 06 WRX DS car this year then I read that you were driving an STI in the WDCR events. Did you buy an 06 or are you waiting on a buyer for the TypeR?

Andy-

Yeah, I've decided to drive with Nate Small in his STi for 2006. I wanted to play with some HP and Nate wanted some help to fine tune his driving this year so it works well for both of us. I expect that we have a shot at the WDCR series this year and a Divisional or Tour win (especially a Pro-Solo). We are currently working on optimising the suspension on his car to get rid of the steady state push. Once we can solve that the car with be another 1-2 seconds faster :devil:

I decided against the 06 WRX for now. I drive too much and the fuel bill would support a small Micronesian country. I still have the ITR in storage. I didn't think it would sell right away, I expect it go be gone in the late spring though. I sold my WRX wagon last week and picked up a Mazdaspeed Protege' that I am prepping for STX and daily driving. It gets 28-31mpg highway so it's economical. It pulls harder than the ITR out of turns too. So look for me to terrorize the local STX guys a bit with a FWD car.

Dave Mac

noooo! My stage 2 05 WRX got 29mpg highway. Silly Mazda!

So look for me to terrorize the local STX guys a bit with a FWD car.
Doh!

john

My STX WRX gets 28-31mpg on the highway. It's all in driving style. :)

-Biggly

I sold my WRX wagon last week and picked up a Mazdaspeed Protege' that I am prepping for STX and daily driving. It gets 28-31mpg highway so it's economical. It pulls harder than the ITR out of turns too. So look for me to terrorize the local STX guys a bit with a FWD car.
Congrats. Those are amazing front wheel drive cars! There was one that competed in D-Stock in my local SCCA chapter that turned faster times than an '05 Lotus Elise in Super Stock... :devil:

My STX WRX gets 28-31mpg on the highway. It's all in driving style. :)

-Biggly

Going 65 though.... :(

I don't have what it takes to put cruise on in the right lane and get past by everything...I try every day, I just can't do it. Looks like 20 mpg for me! :devil:

I don't think it'll ... compete with the E46 330ZHP ...

+1

The ZHP was moved down from BS this year. I think the 330 (even without the ZHP package) is faster than the R. With ZHP it should win DS. Brian Fitzpatrick recently said the same thing on sccaforums.

Brians ITR was stolen. I'd expect to see Brian in a 330 shortly. :devil:

Dave Mac

Well part of the reasoning on buying the MSP is much cheaper insurance, cheaper car to; I only paid 12k for it with 27k miles on it. Hell the thing still has the new car smell in it. The guy put some mods on the car that were very well done. MBC, SS-AFC, down-pipe with high flow cat, Greddy cat-back, Catz Zeta headlight ballasts, Sirius Radio, and NGK plugs. On top of that the guy took VERY good care of the car. It was spotless. Not dings, dents, rubs or anything. I just ordered a bunch of stuff for it; coilivers, rear sway bar, engine mounts, endlinks, Magnecor plug wires, clutch line, ss brake lines, and soon some 16x8 Rotas to stuff some 245's on. I think the MSP is a good platform, 2800 lbs on 245 tires, ltd slip, 180lb/ft torque to the wheels with engine mgt. Should be fun when the STi is not available.

Dave Mac

^^
Agreed. Those MSP's are amazing. That sounds like a great deal you got!!!

I think the WRX could win it all to be honest. They addressed most of the issues it had previously. Lack or low-end grunt in an auto-x enviroment. Moved to bigger wheels that allow 245/45's. Camber won't be too much of a concern. The tires will be pinched enough on the rim that wear shouldn't be too bad.

The only thing preventing it from winning is a good driver in a fully prepped example.

I think the WRX might have a shot on the ProSolos, but for Solo-II, ZHP FTW.

--kC

I think the WRX might have a shot on the ProSolos, but for Solo-II, ZHP FTW.

--kC


What is the weight of those BMW's and what size tires are they able to run?

Brians ITR was stolen. I'd expect to see Brian in a 330 shortly. :devil:He said on SCCAForums that he'll be in a STX E30 M3. http://sccaforums.com/forums/post/175365.aspx

Heres my take on the 06's.... A TR could be competive with the longer gearing for 2nd gear....to stuff 245's on a 7in rim would be a really tight fit..The 4 pot brakes will help out..with the addition of good pads...Could it take the whole enchalada....maybe...depending on who's behind the wheel...the alumin control arms will help out....with strength and a more positive steering response... Better Struts are a MUST....along with the BIG FSB...it might actually have a fighting chance...Power is good...delivery on the 2.5 will see boost @ lower RPM levels...no cat in the uppipe allows better spool also...I really think will be VERY competive..in the right hands..;)

Bill

He said on SCCAForums that he'll be in a STX E30 M3. http://sccaforums.com/forums/post/175365.aspx

Right idea, wrong BMW. Thanks Jen. Brian will do well in whatever he drives.

Dave Mac

I think the WRX might have a shot on the ProSolos, but for Solo-II, ZHP FTW.

--kC
Eh, I disagree. I think the "new" WRX will be better than the R32. And the R32 faired pretty well in both the pro and the "other event".

And I don't want to hear anything about rain ;)

Better Struts are a MUST....along with the BIG FSB...
Are you allowed to switch out your struts and stay D-Stock eligible? If so, which struts qualify?

Are you allowed to switch out your struts and stay D-Stock eligible? If so, which struts qualify?

Yes...sky is the limit....dual adjustable koni's to simple KYB AGX's aand everything in between...the key is you have to use the stock Springs..

...

Bill

camber will make it more of a challenge then anyone here has addressed

Yes...sky is the limit....dual adjustable koni's to simple KYB AGX's aand everything in between...the key is you have to use the stock Springs..

...

Bill
I did not know that. Which do you recommend for working best with the stock springs?

Are AWD vehicles limited to 245 tire width in the stock classes?

I did not know that. Which do you recommend for working best with the stock springs?

Koni inserts are a very popular DS choice, however, I'm not sure what's available for the 06.

Are AWD vehicles limited to 245 tire width in the stock classes?

There are no limits on tire size in Stock, but you must run stock size wheels.

Koni inserts are a very popular DS choice, however, I'm not sure what's available for the 06.

06=02,03,04,05

Are AWD vehicles limited to 245 tire width in the stock classes?


No, whatever size tire you can fit on a stock size wheel is allowed. Shocks are allowed as long as they do not alter ride height and are only double adjustable or less.

Are you allowed to switch out your struts and stay D-Stock eligible? If so, which struts qualify?

I went with the Koni SA inserts front and rear and the Strano FSB. Already have them on the car and it has made a significant difference. I won't be able to make the first BRR event, but I will be at Verona test and tune and event in March if you want to go for a ride.

Someone else is already signed up with an 06 WRB WRX for Verona. That will make three 06s if you come, maybe four if the guy from WVa shows up. We should have a good DS class this year.

BTW, are you interested in buying some stock rims and tires? ;)

Steve

06=02,03,04,05

Not quite. The 02/03 rear top hats are different than the 04-06 rear top hats. Koni has inserts for both styles.

I went with the Koni SA inserts front and rear and the Strano FSB. Already have them on the car and it has made a significant difference. I won't be able to make the first BRR event, but I will be at Verona test and tune and event in March if you want to go for a ride.

Someone else is already signed up with an 06 WRB WRX for Verona. That will make three 06s if you come, maybe four if the guy from WVa shows up. We should have a good DS class this year.

BTW, are you interested in buying some stock rims and tires? ;)

Steve
Thanks. I'd definitely want to go for a ride if I make the Verona T&T event.

I might be interested in those stock wheels and tires if they're still around by the summer. I'd eventually like to put r-compounds on my current wheels, and use another set with the stock RE92's for 4 season driving.

I haven't signed up for the Verona event yet as I have other things going on at that time, but we'll see if I can make it.

-Chike

I thought the E46 ZHP and E90 could both fit 275s. The ZHP goodies should make it stronger than the currently-stout 330 and well... the E90 has some weight to it, but with 255hp, 275s and BMW strut geometry, that may not matter. Good luck!

Someone else is already signed up with an 06 WRB WRX for Verona. That will make three 06s if you come, maybe four if the guy from WVa shows up. We should have a good DS class this year.
Steve,

I signed up for the points event on 3/12, but can't make the T&T as I'll be helping a friend pull a motor and do some maintenance/upgrades on his SVX.

Look forward to meeting you then... :)

-Chike

I thought the E46 ZHP and E90 could both fit 275s. The ZHP goodies should make it stronger than the currently-stout 330 and well... the E90 has some weight to it, but with 255hp, 275s and BMW strut geometry, that may not matter. Good luck!
The current 330's are running 245's all around. Not sure if the ZHP will do the same of if there is a benefit or the rim to run more.

Interesting......

I have Auto-X'd my '06 twice now, once on G-sports and once on V70's.....

(I previously had an '02 wagon.)

On the dyno at 1100 miles I put down 190 hp, 231 tq (ONLY mod was a K&N panel filter)

I know have a USDM Genome axleback installed (sweeeeeeet exhaust)

So my thoughts:
This car is very tight compared to my 02. Has very very good transitional response with sticky shoes on. But does plow some if too much speed in corners. (plowed a lot with the G-sports)
Gobs of torque which comes on from 2000rpm. I find that I am torqueing my way through alot of corners where before with the 2.0 liter it was smash the gas as soon as possible, wait for about 2800 rpm and then explode into boost.
.....and I do mean gobs of torque!

Brakes are excellent, even on stock pads

Yesterday we ran.....
the fastest Subaru did 44.2 (Scooby South) BSP
I ran 49.1 (only one is DS....so no comparo)

Jan event I was 3 seconds ahead of the 2.0 liter WRXs and I was on G-Sports......

Yes, whatever size tire fits on the stock rim is acceptable, 245 is generally accepted as the limit.

So that's about it until more competition shows locally.

Got link to results? Sounds promising. You're about 2.4 seconds off the pace in Pax tho. Hypothetically, you should be running around 46.7 to keep pace.

Anyone in STX running faster than you? STX needs a 46.343 to keep up with ScoobySouth in Pax.

Well part of the reasoning on buying the MSP is much cheaper insurance, cheaper car to; I only paid 12k for it with 27k miles on it. Hell the thing still has the new car smell in it. The guy put some mods on the car that were very well done. MBC, SS-AFC, down-pipe with high flow cat, Greddy cat-back, Catz Zeta headlight ballasts, Sirius Radio, and NGK plugs. On top of that the guy took VERY good care of the car. It was spotless. Not dings, dents, rubs or anything. I just ordered a bunch of stuff for it; coilivers, rear sway bar, engine mounts, endlinks, Magnecor plug wires, clutch line, ss brake lines, and soon some 16x8 Rotas to stuff some 245's on. I think the MSP is a good platform, 2800 lbs on 245 tires, ltd slip, 180lb/ft torque to the wheels with engine mgt. Should be fun when the STi is not available.

Dave Mac
Wow, nice grab!

I'd love to see pics!

Got link to results? Sounds promising. You're about 2.4 seconds off the pace in Pax tho. Hypothetically, you should be running around 46.7 to keep pace.

Anyone in STX running faster than you? STX needs a 46.343 to keep up with ScoobySouth in Pax.

46.7 - okay.....which is why I am looking into struts and FSB.......but again 1st time on stickies, couple more times out and I will pick up the pace...tks.

Anyway - I was getting to that.....here is the prelim I will add car/classes later, official not posted for our region yet either, I will replace when able.......

I am Rick T - PAX #29

Driver - Raw Times - Pax
Bill Cook - 44.221 - #7
Jason Brown - 44.524 - #10
Chuck Bolline - 44.686 - #4
Kevin Kipta - 44.738 - #5
Jon Davies - 44.758 - #3
Shaun Phillips - 45.820 - #12
Andrew Ewing - 45.921 - #22
Doug Gollnick - 45.996 - #13
Michael McDonald - 46.314 - #27
Christian Shipp - 46.750 - #31
Greg Blevins - 46.917 - #25
Zoltan Hajdu Sr. - 47.023 - #33
Shaun Parks - 47.067 - #34
Ben Yang - 47.547 - #42
Karl Hankin - 47.858 - #30
Chuck Mulder - 47.909 - #35
Zoltan Hadju - 48.603 - #44
Rick Therrien - 49.115 - #29
Mimi - 49.561 - #48
Shawn Costlow - 50.879 - #60
CJ Mulder - 52.048 - #69
Andrew Minton - 51.950 - #73
Michael Weimar - 53.259 - #59
Mark Halvorsen - 53.385 - #61
Patrick Golub - 53.460 - #77
Sean Mason - 53.487 - #68
Nick Szilagyi - 53.774 - #76

46.7 - okay.....which is why I am looking into struts and FSB.......but again 1st time on stickies, couple more times out and I will pick up the pace...tks.

Anyway - I was getting to that.....here is the prelim I will add car/classes later, official not posted for our region yet either, I will replace when able.......

I am Rick T - PAX #29

Driver - Raw Times - Pax
Bill Cook - 44.221 - #7------------BSP
Jason Brown - 44.524 - #10-------BSP
Chuck Bolline - 44.686 - #4 -------BS
Kevin Kipta - 44.738 - #5---------BS
Jon Davies - 44.758 - #3 --------STU
Shaun Phillips - 45.820 - #12------STU
Andrew Ewing - 45.921 - #22------SM
Doug Gollnick - 45.996 - #13-------STU
Michael McDonald - 46.314 - #27---SM
Christian Shipp - 46.750 - #31 -----SM
Greg Blevins - 46.917 - #25--------AS
Zoltan Hajdu Sr. - 47.023 - #33----SM
Shaun Parks - 47.067 - #34--------SM
Ben Yang - 47.547 - #42-----------FP
Karl Hankin - 47.858 - #30---------STU
Chuck Mulder - 47.909 - #35-------AS
Zoltan Hadju - 48.603 - #44--------SM
Rick Therrien - 49.115 - #29--------DS
Mimi - 49.561 - #48----------------ASL
Shawn Costlow - 50.879 - #60-----BSP
CJ Mulder - 52.048 - #69-----------SM
Andrew Minton - 51.950 - #73------FP
Michael Weimar - 53.259 - #59------STX
Mark Halvorsen - 53.385 - #61-------STX
Patrick Golub - 53.460 - #77---------FP
Sean Mason - 53.487 - #68----------STU
Nick Szilagyi - 53.774 - #76----------SM


Classes added...........

Hmm... Tough to tell at this point. I don't know who the other drivers are so I don't have a point-of-reference. I'd concur with KC though. More seat time and keep yer foot in the gas more.

Dave

Thanks Scott.....

yep. More seat time, good shocks.. good r-compounds. :)

Cool, but this isn't about me, it's about the 06 being competitive, hopefully what I added was beneficial to the thread.....

Make no doubt about it.. any input is better than nothing. :) Time will tell if people may start running them at Tours and Pros.. that's where they'll be put to the test. :)

KC, how did you compute this?

Got link to results? Sounds promising. You're about 2.4 seconds off the pace in Pax tho. Hypothetically, you should be running around 46.7 to keep pace.

Anyone in STX running faster than you? STX needs a 46.343 to keep up with ScoobySouth in Pax.

KC, how did you compute this?

PAX Ouija board...

I have a little app on my Pocket PC I created in Excel that I bring with me.

If you want it, pm me your e-mail addy. :)

PM sent.

Only 1 STX'r faster 05 Cooper S by 6/10s

and here is our results

http://www.buccaneerregion.org/solo/standings/2006/JAX-2-06.pdf

The times listed include a 2 sec penalty per cone, # cones after time.

Same offer goes for anyone. If you want a quick pax calculator that you can have at an event on your Pocket PC (ie: if you're geeked like me), e-mail me (click my name and hit e-mail) and I'll send it out. It's about 3k and wikked easy to use and with the keyboard open on my Dell Axim X5, I can see all I need to see and use. Used in Pocket Excel.

It's the simple things. :lol:

did you send me yet?

did you send me yet?

At 7pm. I did. :)

At 7pm. I did. :)

Very odd.........it hasn't showed.....

I am going to email you a diff address....please resend.

I went with the Koni SA inserts front and rear and the Strano FSB. Already have them on the car and it has made a significant difference. I won't be able to make the first BRR event, but I will be at Verona test and tune and event in March if you want to go for a ride.

Someone else is already signed up with an 06 WRB WRX for Verona. That will make three 06s if you come, maybe four if the guy from WVa shows up. We should have a good DS class this year.

BTW, are you interested in buying some stock rims and tires? ;)

Steve
Steve,

After seeing you comfortably win our class and come less than 1.5 seconds off of FTD, I'd say a D-stock prepped '06 WRX should do very well in this class nationally. I hope you continue to compete in Solo-II and make a run for Nationals this year!!! :devil:

Here's a few pics of your car in action from Sunday Steve:

(I'm in the passenger seat in this pic)
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid202/p9f1d6f00d457036a14d71301d60044fa/efdbdb45.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid202/pad3741a18e961011b2cd9403fc2fc1f1/efdbd482.jpg

And the only pic taken of my '06 WRX that day:

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid202/p694689a4851e06e0b668c12d13f2f0f4/efdbd8b1.jpg

Take care.

-Chike

What tires are you guys stuffing onto the 17x7s in those pics?

What tires are you guys stuffing onto the 17x7s in those pics?
I'm running the crappy re-92's at the moment. Steve is using 245/45/17 r-compounds on a 17x7" wheel with a +50mm offset. Not sure which brand of tire it is though...

^ Kumho 710 at Verona this past weekend. He had some great runs on Sunday.

Good news......nice car mine is same color.....I think the SG is faster.....

I'm running AGXs and Whiteline 27/29, we'll see how well that setup goes....
rick


Steve,

After seeing you comfortably win our class and come less than 1.5 seconds off of FTD, I'd say a D-stock prepped '06 WRX should do very well in this class nationally. I hope you continue to compete in Solo-II and make a run for Nationals this year!!! :devil:

Here's a few pics of your car in action from Sunday Steve:

(I'm in the passenger seat in this pic)
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid202/p9f1d6f00d457036a14d71301d60044fa/efdbdb45.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid202/pad3741a18e961011b2cd9403fc2fc1f1/efdbd482.jpg

And the only pic taken of my '06 WRX that day:

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid202/p694689a4851e06e0b668c12d13f2f0f4/efdbd8b1.jpg

Take care.

-Chike

^ Kumho 710 at Verona this past weekend. He had some great runs on Sunday.
Cool - thought they were Kumho's but wasn't quite sure. Steve definitely had some sweet runs and finished 2nd in PAX!!!

245's on a 7" wide wheel!!!???

On a DS WRX ? :rolleyes:

Which front sway bar are you using?

245's on a 7" wide wheel!!!???
Yeah, not really that big of a deal.

BRR local != National

I still think the E90 330 and E46 330 ZHP are going to squash everything else in the class.

Chris,
4th on index at aforementioned BRR event

Yeah, not really that big of a deal.


that's good to know. I have mine on an 8" wheel but I have an extra set of 7" wide wheels

245's on a 7" wide wheel!!!???
They'll fit alright but with a little bulging in the sidewalls. I can't afford an extra set of wheels & r-compounds for my WRX at this time, so I'll be going with some Azenis RT-615's in a 225/45/17 size.
Which front sway bar are you using?
Steve (wrxkix) is using a 32mm front sway bar.

Well if you'd like to see better how the car would stack up come up to a WDCR event. Lots of national caliber drivers to at least PAX against.

Dave

Wow, thanks for the kudos and answering the questions about my car Chiket and Eddie. You guys answered every question correctly. It was great seeing you guys out there Sunday.

My take on the 06 is it has more potential than the previous years WRXs. Is it enough to hang with the BMWs, I could not speculate since I have not run against any and this is my first time in a WRX.

I hope to run against an Integra R next weekend to get some type of baseline.

As for how the car and I PAX:

BRR = Local ( Has some great drivers there, so I would not underestimate anyone just because they do not go to nationals. )

WDCR = Local ( Yes I have run with some WDCR people and again, great drivers there as well )

DC Prosolo = National ( I should be there this year, and will be my first ProSolo, so I am sure I will be struggling with the whole tree thing.) Should be a good indicator of where I am at as well as the cars potential.

BTW we were setup for 4 runs and I only got three completed. This is a heads up for those with 06s. When the low fuel light comes on, get fuel immediately, I made a hard left on the first turn and no fuel. Leveled out and made it to the gas station. Now I know how low not to go.

Steve

BTW we were setup for 4 runs and I only got three completed. This is a heads up for those with 06s. When to low fuel light comes on, get fuel immediately, I made a hard left on the first turn and no fuel. Leveled out and made it to the gas station. Now I know how low not to go.
I wondered what happened... Glad you made it to the gas station!

Steve....you have a PM.

Responded to PMs. Sorry, I was out for a few days.

Obvious atvantage if it rains. Topeka asphault this year will be in the WRXes favor over the 330. Not many people still drive ITRs, but it sure will out handle the subie in tight courses. ProSolo should be the WRXes game.

ESP is still an option for the WRX (no longer for the STi). '06 with boost allowance and new asphault national surface tells me its the favorite.

Jay W

Just curious what everybodys opinions are on the competetiveness of the '06 WRX in D Stock. Will it run with the Type R and 330?

I like that vote of confidence....

DS #15
Buccaneer Region

I hope you guys kick the isht out of the ITR's and 330's. We need some more Subies winning.

Dave Mac
#122 STU

Half the problem is where are they?

Half the problem is where are they?
Agreed. They aren't the most common car you see competing in D-stock. WRXs, VW R32's and even SRT-4's are more common place.

An ITR and MSP are signed up for the autox in Greensboro, NC this weekend. It should be interesting.

Steve

An ITR and MSP are signed up for the autox in Greensboro, NC this weekend. It should be interesting.

Steve


Excellent ------------- !!

I don't know why but I am REALLY getting the bug to drive an 06 WRX in an autocross some time. I've driven my 02 WRX (back in the day) and beat ITR's with it. It sounds like the 06 should be far better.

Dave Mac
#122 STU

You can drive mine if you let me drive your STi :O

Git 'er done!

An ITR and MSP are signed up for the autox in Greensboro, NC this weekend. It should be interesting.

Steve

Good luck taking on Bret in the ITR. He is normally one of the fastest guys in that club. I won't be able to make that autocross because I will be at a rallycross the otherside of Raleigh.

An ITR and MSP are signed up for the autox in Greensboro, NC this weekend. It should be interesting.

Steve
Nice! Good luck Steve. Definitely report back and let us know how things went!!!

Good luck taking on Bret in the ITR. He is normally one of the fastest guys in that club. I won't be able to make that autocross because I will be at a rallycross the otherside of Raleigh.


Steve, not sure what competition I will have tomorrow as Gainsville is not a pre-register sight so wish me best......

and ........may the force be with you to kick some ITR tomorrow:D

I got my days screwed up and was unable to make the autox in Greensboro today. The BRR will have one next Sunday at Salem, I am hoping Bret comes up, but he has not signed up as of today. If not, I will get a few other chances to come down to Triad and try my luck. Sorry I wasn't able to go, but I will update as soon as I get a chance to run against some more DS competition. BTW, how is everyone else making out with the 06s?

Bummer......






So...patiently awaiting official results from yesterday.....

I was about 4 seconds ahead of the next guy in DS ....an R32

911s and Lotus's were the fastest in the 54s, fastest Scooby IIRC was around 56.x, and I was at 59.7 (I will correct when results avail)

I got my days screwed up and was unable to make the autox in Greensboro today. The BRR will have one next Sunday at Salem, I am hoping Bret comes up, but he has not signed up as of today. If not, I will get a few other chances to come down to Triad and try my luck. Sorry I wasn't able to go, but I will update as soon as I get a chance to run against some more DS competition. BTW, how is everyone else making out with the 06s?
Steve,

Not to worry. I just checked the entry list for Sunday and it's packed in D-Stock with three drivers in Integra Type R's (may be three driver's in the same car). Currently entry list of the cars in D-Stock for Salem are as follows:

Acura Integra type r Yellow
06 Subaru WRX Steel Gray
05 Dodge Srt-4 Orange
00 Acura Integra R Yellow
06 Subaru WRX Black
03 Subaru WRX SRP
95 Poniac Bonniville Black
06 Subaru WRX Steel Gray
01 Acura Integra Type R Yellow

At this time, I'm pre-registered for the event but there is a chance I can't make it on Sunday.

oooooohhhh, I love to race againt a poniac :rolleyes: (where those made?)

Rick


Steve,

Not to worry. I just checked the entry list for Sunday and it's packed in D-Stock with three drivers in Integra Type R's (may be three driver's in the same car). Currently entry list of the cars in D-Stock for Salem are as follows:

Acura Integra type r Yellow
06 Subaru WRX Steel Gray
05 Dodge Srt-4 Orange
00 Acura Integra R Yellow
06 Subaru WRX Black
03 Subaru WRX SRP
95 Poniac Bonniville Black
06 Subaru WRX Steel Gray
01 Acura Integra Type R Yellow

At this time, I'm pre-registered for the event but there is a chance I can't make it on Sunday.

Man you guys are quick. I was going to post the same list Chike. Looks like I will have my work cut out for me. I am glad to see a good list of DS competition for a local event. Right now we are at 122 drivers preregistered. I believe that is the most we have had preregistered. Hope the weather holds.

Steve

It definitely will be a packed day. I definitely would like to compete in this one if I can fit it into my schedule that day...

Bummer......
So...patiently awaiting official results from yesterday.....
I was about 4 seconds ahead of the next guy in DS ....an R32
911s and Lotus's were the fastest in the 54s, fastest Scooby IIRC was around 56.x, and I was at 59.7 (I will correct when results avail)

So, more info....

112 total drivers....name/car/class/raw time/ PAX#
this is just a small sample
Chuck B --- (Mazda RX8) ----- (BS) -- 55.638 - #3
Scott S --- (Honda Civic Si) -- (STX) - 58.557 - #9
Bill C ------ (STI) ------------ (BSP) - 56.018 - #11
Rick T ----- (WRX) ----------- (DS) -- 59.701 - #13
Andrew E --- (STI) ---------- (STU) - 56.751 - #15
Shaun P ---- (STI) ----------- (STU) - 56.897 - #17
these guys were #1 and #2 in STU



K.C. - If I am using your program correctly, I would have needed to run a 59.176 to keep pace with the fastest Scooby (#11 PAX)?

Its a Civic Si damnit.......... ;)

Sorry Scott......fixed.:D

I added the actual pax times to the list.

Chuck B --- (Mazda RX8) ----- (BS) -- 55.638 - #3 --------- 45.734
Scott S --- (Honda Civic Si) -- (STX) - 58.557 - #9 --------- 47.079
Bill C ------ (STI) ------------ (BSP) - 56.018 - #11--------- 47.223
Rick T ----- (WRX) ----------- (DS) -- 59.701 - #13 -------- 47.647
Andrew E --- (STI) ---------- (STU) - 56.751 - #15--------- 46.535
Shaun P ---- (STI) ----------- (STU) - 56.897 - #17 -------- 46.655

K.C. - If I am using your program correctly, I would have needed to run a 59.176 to keep pace with the fastest Scooby (#11 PAX)?
Yep! :) It would give you a 47.222 pax. :) So on a ~60 second course for DS, you need to be just about 3.2 seconds or faster within BSPs times to keep up... 'in pax'.

Looking at that BS time vs the BSP time... that shouldn't be happening either. Did it rain or something?

It didnt rain. We had a beautiful day actually.

Not sure what happened there, but we were pretty happy in our civic that day.
Certainly could have run faster, but happy just the same. Still lots of work to be done to be "prepped", so things can only get better, IMO..

No..it was a beautiful sunny day in the sixties....good turbo weather.


Think I have Chuck in the right class......that RX8 is quite fast though


if it rained though....I would think the Scoobys would be faster ???

No..it was a beautiful sunny day in the sixties....good turbo weather.


Think I have Chuck in the right class......that RX8 is quite fast though


if it rained though....I would think the Scoobys would be faster ???
I was thinking that BS ran in the dry and the scoobs in the wet.

Feh.. RX8s are fast. That's why I have one. :devil:

Man you guys are quick. I was going to post the same list Chike. Looks like I will have my work cut out for me. I am glad to see a good list of DS competition for a local event. Right now we are at 122 drivers preregistered. I believe that is the most we have had preregistered. Hope the weather holds.

Steve
Registration is now up to 130, but they're still the same 9 in D-Stock. It's looking good that I can be there Sunday, but with the Daylight Savings switch on that day, it'll make things more interesting. Hope I get up in time... :rolleyes: :D

Going to be a big group at BRR on Sunday. I talked SilverBullet2.5RS (Curt) from Salem into running his RS that day. :)

-Eddie

Going to be a big group at BRR on Sunday. I talked SilverBullet2.5RS (Curt) from Salem into running his RS that day. :)

-Eddie
Agreed. Big group indeed. I'm looking forward to getting there early so that I can walk the course at least 5 times. Need to pick up some more painter's tape when I go to Walmart this evening...

After this third event, I may skip the next two meets until I can afford to get better tires and an alignment on my car. It's just impossible to be competitive on the stock all-seasons...

Saw wrxkix this evening, he's excited about the Integras that are coming from out of town for D Stock.

Saw wrxkix this evening, he's excited about the Integras that are coming from out of town for D Stock.
So am I. I'm looking forward to seeing the course Sunday and seeing Steve kick some ITR butt!!!! :devil:

I'll be working on getting better at throttle steer, and perfecting my racing lines & braking points. When you compete on the stock all-season tires, there's not much else you can do! :D :rolleyes:

Man, you guys are are gonna make me feel like a LOSER if I cant hang with the ITRs. But yeah, it will be fun to see some more people out in DS.
Hope I dont have performance anxiety. :eek:

Good luck taking on both Shillock and Pozner in their Type-R's. They are both fast when they are driving well. I am interested to see how the new WRX stacks up. I ran against both of them with my 05 when I was still running in DS and was always about 2-3 seconds back but I was on street tires and they were on stickies.

Good luck taking on both Shillock and Pozner in their Type-R's. They are both fast when they are driving well. I am interested to see how the new WRX stacks up. I ran against both of them with my 05 when I was still running in DS and was always about 2-3 seconds back but I was on street tires and they were on stickies.
How good are Shillock and Pozner? Have either of them ever qualified for Nationals?

Steve,
I think you will hang with them if not beat them......generally speaking a couple seconds can be had going to stickies (which you have) and 06's are a few seconds faster than previous examples.....

I have faith...

Rick

How good are Shillock and Pozner? Have either of them ever qualified for Nationals?
Pozner has owned and auto-xed his ITR for many years, on a national level. He can drive very well, and he's comfortable with it (imagine owning the same car and auto-xing it for 5+ years). :) It'll be nice to see how everything goes down.

--kC

Pozner has owned and auto-xed his ITR for many years, on a national level. He can drive very well, and he's comfortable with it (imagine owning the same car and auto-xing it for 5+ years). :) It'll be nice to see how everything goes down.

--kC
Nice!!! I can't wait for tomorrow's action to begin! :devil:

Just remember you guys.....the ITR's may have beaten the 2 liters but we are bigger now........go get 'em. :D

Well, sorry to let you guys down. I was .9 seconds off the pace of the ITR that showed up with R comps. Bret took me as I was trying different adjustments and worked on my driving.

My opinion is the WRX shows some promise, I just have to work out my setup and driving. Kudos to Bret, he drove well and has a well setup ITR. Bret was 2nd and I was 6th in PAX, so I do feel a little better about my day. We will run against each other again, so I will keep you posted.

BRR SCCA Salem Results (http://www.brr-scca.org/04022006.htm)

Steve

Steve,
The guy with the ITR has been autoxing on race tires and mostly in FWD cars for about 15 years; he's got some experience. He also flogs his car mercilessly. I also think that the course played more to the strengths of the his car rather than the WRX. Don't sweat that one event man. (Note to the peanut gallery/internet keyboard jockeys/speculators: I was there and drove the course in a WRX and thus am perfectly qualified to comment on it.) :)

-Biggly

That's alright Steve. .9 in nothing, you will get him next time...:D

Great job Steve. You made me proud out there today!!!

What a course though...that skidpad was a tricky son-o'-a-gun! :rolleyes:

Here's a cut-n-paste of the times in D-Stock today (showing fastest time run)

DS - D Stock
1t BRET SHILLOCK 01 ACURA INTEGRA TYPE R YELLOW 52.914
2t STEVE ST JOHN 06 SUBARU WRX STEEL GRAY 53.837
3t CHAD BENNETT 03 SUBARU WRX SRP 56.022
4 NATHAN ABBOTT 01 HYUNDAI TIBURON 56.997
5 GARY RAULERSON 05 DODGE SRT-4 ORANGE 57.281
6 JUSTIN REST 06 SUBARU WRX BLACK 57.535
7 CHIKE DELLIMORE 06 SUBARU WRX STEEL GRAY 60.677
8 STEVE BREED?? 03 WRX WAGON 60.853
9 NELSON AUSTIN 01 ACURA INTEGRA TYPE R YELLOW 259.663

Here are some pics from Sunday of the action in D-Stock:

Chad
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid203/pbf05e1ca388982cb6db25dfe9dc30b8c/ef97faad.jpg

Shillock
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid203/pbad38811a2ea8cb982c47cf91464f89b/ef97fb51.jpg

wrxkix
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid203/p2eee5033c12812fbb802af48101a4150/ef97fc48.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid203/p01239858292a0510eb6102d76f93cfae/ef97fc5f.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid203/p2da8b1f92dd18f3f46e7d3d20aab4829/ef97fcca.jpg

alltracin
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid203/pb1e32306d1e9c855b45a5ddb2d6ac39d/ef97feca.jpg

Chiketkd
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid203/p30fccae74bd4b05a5cd1a73782562f79/ef97fecf.jpg

-Chike

Why was the yellow ITR in stock? It's not a stock front end... that's a JDM version. All US Spec ITRs had the round headlights. Last I checked, not a legal swap in Stock.

--kC

You are correct. Here's an auction for an '01 GSR on Ebay with the round headlights:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Acura-Integra-GSR-2001-Manual-V4-1-8L-VTEC-engine_W0QQitemZ4627266589QQcategoryZ5335QQssPageN ameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

I know Shillock has competed Nationally so his front end must have passed inspection...

Why was the yellow ITR in stock? It's not a stock front end... that's a JDM version. All US Spec ITRs had the round headlights. Last I checked, not a legal swap in Stock.

--kC

Yup, that dude shouldn't be in D Stock with that front end. Wonder what else he has done to the car?

Why was the yellow ITR in stock? It's not a stock front end... that's a JDM version. All US Spec ITRs had the round headlights. Last I checked, not a legal swap in Stock.

--kC
Not legal for anything shy of SM, probably...

http://www.passwordjdm.com/product.asp?P_ID=268
- JDM DC ITR Black Housing Non-HID Headlights
- JDM DC ITR Fenders w/ side markers (pair)
- JDM DC ITR Front Bumper w/ lip
- JDM DC ITR Bumper Support
- JDM DC ITR Bumper Reinforcement Bar
- JDM DC ITR Radiator Support
- JDM DC ITR Grill
- JDM DC ITR OEM Hood

I was going to say, holy illegal ITR batman!

Those are all necessary and normal mods for those that go to the JDM front end. But it also drips a bit of weight off the front. He obviously drove well, but running in an illegal car such as that doesn't belong in DS.

I also know, it's just a local event so there's not much on the line. You can go one of two ways with it... one, because it's local, it's fine. Or two, be classed right next time so others that are legal should be winning.

--kC

Wait, so it's more than just the headlights? I thought it was just the headlights on the car and thus it didn't really matter. He's a nice guy and was club president of the local club (non-SCCA) for quite a few years. I'm willing to bet he doesn't know that bumper beams and all other manner of assorted junk are required as supporting mods for the headlights as he bought the car used that way and was complaining about the cold air intake that was on it (Heck I had no idea.) I know he bought a stock intake to get down to stock class and figured the headlights were no big deal as it's just a visual thing (and I agreed with him when he was running STX with me.) I'll definitely talk to him at the next local; he lives right across town from me. I'm sure he's going to be pretty disappointed to find all of this out; I know I feel bad for him. :(

-Biggly

If memory serves, the JDM front end is actually a little heavier than the USDM one. JDM Metal fenders vs. USDM plastic. Not that it matters, because it's definitely not a Stock-legal modification.

Wait, so it's more than just the headlights? I thought it was just the headlights on the car and thus it didn't really matter. He's a nice guy and was club president of the local club (non-SCCA) for quite a few years. I'm willing to bet he doesn't know that bumper beams and all other manner of assorted junk are required as supporting mods for the headlights as he bought the car used that way and was complaining about the cold air intake that was on it (Heck I had no idea.) I know he bought a stock intake to get down to stock class and figured the headlights were no big deal as it's just a visual thing (and I agreed with him when he was running STX with me.) I'll definitely talk to him at the next local; he lives right across town from me. I'm sure he's going to be pretty disappointed to find all of this out; I know I feel bad for him. :(

-Biggly
He's been running the car since mid-last year at least.. and no one has pointed it out to him?

Yeah, the bumper, hood, etc... are not stock USDM ITR. That and bits of supporting pieces all have to be replaced to make it happen.

Stock:
http://www.we-todd-did-racing.com/wetoddimage.wtdr/wNDE5MTM2czQxM2RmZDMxeTU0MQ%3D%3D.jpg

I'm not so sure that modification is illegal

para 13.2.a says you may modify "asthetically" as long as it does not affect performance, handling, or materially reduce the weight of the car....

- and those are factory parts......

- Does the book somewhere say only USDM factory parts, or is that just asumed?

counterthoughts?
Rick

I'm not so sure that modification is illegal

para 13.2.a says you may modify "asthetically" as long as it does not affect performance, handling, or materially reduce the weight of the car....

- and those are factory parts......

- Does the book somewhere say only USDM factory parts, or is that just asumed?

counterthoughts?
Rick
I was reading through the '06 rules and saw that section...

If ChrisDP is correct and the JDM front end conversion adds weight to the car, then Shillock may be okay. Plus, If he's competed Nationally, the techs there would have nailed him for it.

I was reading through the '06 rules and saw that section...

If ChrisDP is correct and the JDM front end conversion adds weight to the car, then Shillock may be okay. Plus, If he's competed Nationally, the techs there would have nailed him for it.
He would have only been "nailed" if he was protested...

If anyone can PROVE that the altered weight distribution produced by said parts negatively impacts the performance of the car, I'd love to hear it.

Is there a difference? Is it substantial? I don't know, and I'm not sure anyone else outside of Honda knows either. If it were a JDM lip spoiler that tapes onto the stock components, the likelihood of someone caring is smaller as is the plausible performance benefit.

"Stock" parts need to be available as a possible configuration or allowed through factory documents. There are no factory documents showing this as an optional body configuration for this country, therefore it's not a "stock" legal part. A "stock" 240SX with the JDM-configuration SR20DET would be reeeeeeally cool... but that just doesn't fly with the rulebook.

I'm not so sure that modification is illegal

para 13.2.a says you may modify "asthetically" as long as it does not affect performance, handling, or materially reduce the weight of the car....

- and those are factory parts......

- Does the book somewhere say only USDM factory parts, or is that just asumed?

counterthoughts?
Rick
What's the weight of the hood?
What's the weight of the bumper?
What's the weight of the support beam?

If 1 of those parts are lighter than its stock counterpart, it's not legal. I can't take weight off the bumper and re-locate it someplace else, even if I just add weight to the car in another area.

As far as factory parts...
Parts available as replacements through the dealers parts department, the factory, or any other source which do not meet standard part specifications (e.g., hardness, size, etc.) are not legal in Stock Category, except as specifically provided elsewhere in these rules.

So even tho it's available from the factory, it has to be USDM.

--kC

What's the weight of the hood?
What's the weight of the bumper?
What's the weight of the support beam?

If 1 of those parts are lighter than its stock counterpart, it's not legal. I can't take weight off the bumper and re-locate it someplace else, even if I just add weight to the car in another area.


I concur on that part K.C.



As far as factory parts...

So even tho it's available from the factory, it has to be USDM.

--kC


but how do you read USDM only into that section? :confused: .....is it "has to be available through dealer parts department" ?

.....is it "has to be available through dealer parts department" ?
I've heard that some dealers will order Jdm parts for you if you can provide the JDM part # - not 100% sure if it's true or not.

JDM front end= not available as a factory option, does not supercede an existing part in the parts catalog.

but how do you read USDM only into that section?
re-read the rulebook excerpt KC quoted. Even if it comes from a dealer, it doesn't matter if its not as specified in the FSM for that vehicle.

Here is some general information that I know of. Another member (that regularly runs with Bret) informed me that he was told the aforementioned ITR was purchased in the US with JDM spec parts from an Acura dealer. That they were very limited in quantity, but could be ordered that way. I do not know enough about ITRs to say if this is true or not.

I did know this ITR had a JDM front end, but was told everything else is the same as the USDM model. I did not question or doubt this statement. Is there anything else different on the car, I could not tell you. I am glad I got to run a well prepped ITR with a good driver so I could at least get a baseline.

For the record, I do not believe Bret has run the car at a divisional or national level. He has the ability to be competitive at that level. There may be some concern about the legality of the car, thus why it has not been beyond regional events. This is just my speculation.

Some others more familier with the ITRs could tell us if JDM spec parts were ever a factory option in the US, because this is what I was lead to believe, although it was second hand, not from Bret himself.

Bottom line, however, Bret outdrove me, and I will try to get him next time.

Steve

I've heard that some dealers will order Jdm parts for you if you can provide the JDM part # - not 100% sure if it's true or not.


that is 100% true.....

re-read the rulebook excerpt KC quoted. Even if it comes from a dealer, it doesn't matter if its not as specified in the FSM for that vehicle.


Okay.....I understand now.....:)

We have discussed this several times over down here. Brett runs his JDM nosed ITR with one of the clubs that I run with. He has been competing for over 15 years and no one wants to complain locally. He ran with the other club I ran with once and they gave him a bit of a hard time but didn't protest him. Brett also won the SE Div event in Norfolk, Va last October in DS and no one protested. I have always said it wasn't legal but all I get is hell when I mention it. They all say that it doesn't make a performance advantage. I finally just shut up.

We have discussed this several times over down here. Brett runs his JDM nosed ITR with one of the clubs that I run with. He has been competing for over 15 years and no one wants to complain locally. He ran with the other club I ran with once and they gave him a bit of a hard time but didn't protest him. Brett also won the SE Div event in Norfolk, Va last October in DS and no one protested. I have always said it wasn't legal but all I get is hell when I mention it. They all say that it doesn't make a performance advantage. I finally just shut up.
Probably the reason why he hasn't run a national event. :)

About the factory part available at the dealer. I can order an STi shortblock from my dealer and drop it in a WRX. It's available, right?

--kC

Here's the reference to USDM:

12.4 STANDARD PART
An item of standard or optional equipment that could have been ordered with the car, installed on the factory production line, and delivered through a dealer in the United States. Dealer-installed options or deletions (except as required by factory directives), no matter how common or what their origin, are not included in this definition. This definition does not allow the updating or backdating of parts.

That clear things up?

At no point in time could a JDM front end been ordered and installed on the factory line for a car bound for the US. Something something crash testing something.

The car would had to have been crash tested not only with the round lights, but with the JDM lights/bumper... and that, it wasn't (or we'd been offered that front end as it does look 10x better).

--kC

(or we'd been offered that front end as it does look 10x better).
Agreed! That front end looks hot! :cool:

We have discussed this several times over down here. Brett runs his JDM nosed ITR with one of the clubs that I run with. He has been competing for over 15 years and no one wants to complain locally. He ran with the other club I ran with once and they gave him a bit of a hard time but didn't protest him. Brett also won the SE Div event in Norfolk, Va last October in DS and no one protested. I have always said it wasn't legal but all I get is hell when I mention it. They all say that it doesn't make a performance advantage. I finally just shut up.

You should not be the one catching "hell" for pointing out a missclassed car. When setting up my car, I have had people say " you could (insert illegal stock class mod here) and nobody would know". I have always replied, "but I would know". I can assure you, my car is legal top to bottom and front to back.

Our club is pretty diligent about pointing out cars that are illegally classed. I have no first hand knowledge of ITRs, but it would appear I was mislead by someone I trust(Not by Bret, but by someone that knows Bret and the car )about how the car was configured by the factory. Whether the information that was passed on was intentially misleading or just a mistake I am not going to venture a guess. Makes me wonder if there is anything else on the car that is JDM, but the fact is I was outdriven.

As for the Southeast Divisional that Bret won, there was only one other DS car, and it was a Crossfire. Had there been a few other ITRs and some BMWs there, there may have been a different outcome.

Those that would give you hell, i bet, would be the first to complain if someone ran illegal in their class.

Steve

I am fairly certain said Crossfire driver (a friend of mine) knew that the front end was not a kosher piece, but was not interested in lodging a protest about it.

I can assure you that the front end conversion on that ITR is the only thing not legal for DS. Last year he converted his car back from STX to DS because he didn't have enough mods to run with the WRX's there.

I can assure you that the front end conversion on that ITR is the only thing not legal for DS. Last year he converted his car back from STX to DS because he didn't have enough mods to run with the WRX's there.
Not quite. He just wanted to run on race tires. He got the stock intake and then some race tires and went to D-stock. Every time we bring up the few times I'd run against him he always mentioned how much he didn't like racing on street tires and how he preferred the r-comps.

Next event I'll mention about the parts and conversion to him. I had no idea that one had to change out all of the fender parts and such to do the headlight conversion; I never paid attention. But definitely if one has to change more than just the headlight assembly (obvious now that I actually look at it) it is pretty dang far from legal. :)

-Biggly

Not quite. He just wanted to run on race tires. He got the stock intake and then some race tires and went to D-stock. Every time we bring up the few times I'd run against him he always mentioned how much he didn't like racing on street tires and how he preferred the r-comps.

When I switched from DS to STX was the same event he switched from STX back to DS. He was telling me that he decided that it wasn't worth running against the WRX's and getting beaten all the time since his car was so close to stock. So he put the stock airbox back on and got some r-comps. It wasn't till after his first couple runs he said to me how much he missed the r-comps. Maybe I am just backwards.

FWIW I still enjoyed running against Bret and he drove very well, I am sure we both with be running at Greensboro or Danville in the near future. As they say, I hope I have some better luck next time.

FWIW I still enjoyed running against Bret and he drove very well, I am sure we both with be running at Greensboro or Danville in the near future. As they say, I hope I have some better luck next time.
I watched your runs; I don't think it has anything to do with your lack of skill. That course was not kind to WRXs yet I think you did quite well. Keep up the good work man. :)

Solo2WRX: I'm pretty well the reason he left STX (along with the race tires) as I was getting him by nearly a full second most times when he was on street tires. :lol: :)

-Biggly

Point is, it is illegal and he will get protested for it at some point.

So this month I am up against a 330i which is excellent.......except one of the best drivers around here will be piloting ........ don't believe I stand a chance. I guess it's just a matter of how bad I get my butt whipped by....

So this month I am up against a 330i which is excellent.......except one of the best drivers around here will be piloting ........ don't believe I stand a chance. I guess it's just a matter of how bad I get my butt whipped by....
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2c/Thumbs_up.jpg/180px-Thumbs_up.jpg

That's the SPIRIT!!!! :lol:

Good luck,

We have to start somewhere with the 06s. Remember, alot of autocross is mental, so try to keep a positive attitude. Let us know how you do, and keep us posted on your setup.

I am specifically interested in tire pressures and shock settings. I started going up on my pressures in the front and full stiff on the front shocks at the last event and that seemed to help. I did not get enough runs to really dial it in.

Tks Steve.

Last event I started with 45/55 psi and dropped the front to 40, looks like they rolled a little so I will bring them back up.

I have AGXs and was full stiff all around......think I might try softening the back.

I ended up 48 front and 48 rear, but did not get enough testing done. My problem seems to be front end push. I tried going softer and lower on the front and it got worse. Stiffened it up and it seemed to get better. Just need more time in the car to sort it out.

BTW I am in New Port Richey, Florida today. If I was a little closer, I would try to bum a ride. :eek:

Do you have the biggest possible front sway bar on that thing? Sorry if this has been discussed earlier. By it's very nature, the car is going to understeer. You've got to do all you can to not set-up understeer. Keep thinking that you've got to do everything you can to be able to get on the power early ... which means going into the corner slower. You gain more accelerating early then you do braking late.

Are you looking ahead enough. Are you looking across the corners to the exit. You can't go fast if you don't know where you are going. You can't judge your corner entry if you don't know exactly where you are headed at corner exit.

Are you allowed to use a bit of spacers in front? 5 mm spacers to increase your front track. You've got to do everything you can to increase front grip. Have you switched to a small battery yet? Have you decreased rear camber. Increased rear toe out ...

Strano FSB and everything other mod that is allowed in DS is complete on the car. Pretty much I think it will be dialing in pressures and working on the driver at this point. It is very possible that I am coming into turns too hot, usually looking ahead is no problem. This is my first attempt in an AWD car, so maybe it is a technique issue for me.

My thoughts are now, that I should start left foot braking so that I can get on the gas sooner and smoother. Left foot braking on my previous cars did not help much, if at all. This car seems to be a different animal. Any ideas what kind of gains, if any, could be realized on a 60 sec. course by LFBing?

Thanks

I have the Whiteline 29mm.........It feels sufficient. i have too small v700s at the moment also but got the set for $50 so thought good set to toast while I am learning.

My problem is push also...........I am fairly certain it is because my corner entry speed is too high.....need to settle down a bit. Need to work on the "be smooth, look ahead" part.

Steve, LFB gets you in boost sooner or keeps you there, more important on the 2.0 liters, with this new machine, I find I have torque where there was lag before. At 1100 miles I went on the Dyno and put down 180/231, all stock except for K&N filter..........

So this month I am up against a 330i which is excellent.......except one of the best drivers around here will be piloting

Gary Merideth? Good benchmark, whenever I've seen him, he's been pretty fast in BMW products. Bryce still running the 328?

Second the rear toe-out suggestion... I think it's definitely worth a shot. Big toe-out on my car really made it turn. As did big airpressure in the rear.

Think you have Steve and I confused for location......my local fast dude is Kevin Kipta.........


How much toe out you think? and what kind rear press? I'm already running 55 psi......still can't get the back end loose.........guess the toes would help and maybe a little softer on the AGXs.....

Rick

Can you add crash bolts/camber bolts to the rear in DS?

Do that and remove ANY negative camber............
Even with coilovers, etc. I ended up with 0 camber in the rear to make the car work right......

No......rear camber bolts not allowed......

Rick,

I think you are high enough on the rear pressures, I would go with some toe out on the rear to try to get the rear rotate.

Will do.....:cool:



Rick,

I think you are high enough on the rear pressures, I would go with some toe out on the rear to try to get the rear rotate.

Put it this way... On my '02 with custom valved Ledas with tons of compression in the rear, I used to run 54/65psi f/r on 215/40/16 Hoosier A3S03s and used max toe out in the rear. IE, over 1/2" out in the back. I put my car on an alignment rack and tick-marked the rear toe bolts at different increments so I could set the toe at events. Adds about 5 min to the tire changing process.

If you're adding pressure to the rear to get it to rotate, you'll find there's a "breakaway" pressure above which the rear end starts to skate a LOT. This was around 65psi on my Hoosiers, 57-60psi on Ecsta V700s. There's a fine line and while it sounds bizarre... above the breakaway pressure it's a lot harder to drive, but just below it the car is a LOT faster because it tries to turn. You have to be a little smoother in slaloms to keep the tail behind you, but the extra rotation in sweepers will let you get back on the gas earlier. IMO it's worth playing with some extreme settings to see what works for you. You might trip across something "weird" that's really fast.

BTW, I would wiggle-n-jiggle any camber out of the back end by loosening the strut mounts both top and bottom and working all the tolerances to your favor.

Hoosiers need a lot of pressure. I think you are giving away grip using that much air pressure in the front with a street tire.

In STU and STX our fastest drivers are using pressures in the low 30's to get max grip with street tires. Use more in the rear of course to bring out the tail. Until you get your corner entry/understeer under control (learn to use those brakes! :-) you will need more air in the front to control roll over ...

I picked up on an earlier post suggesting a smaller battery - that's illegal in DS right? You can't swap to a part that is substantially lighter.

Let me know if I'm wrong and I'll be ording a new battery ASAP!!!

No.....you cannot swap to lighter battery.

I personally liked the Walmart method of selecting a lightweight battery...

That is, stop by the bathroom section and pick up a scale.

Go to the automotive section, grab all the batteries that are spec'd as OE-replacements.

Weigh them on aforementioned scale. Take home lightest battery.

I don't know how much weight this saves you, but the idea of doing this is very humorous to me.

How did I miss this thread!?

I am the black WRX that has a few results and pictures posted of. I just recently aquired some wheels:
http://filebox.vt.edu/users/jrest/WRX/1227.jpg
and some A032R soft compound R-comps (235/40/17):
http://filebox.vt.edu/users/jrest/WRX/_DSC8050small.jpg

We'll see if Steve, Chike, and I can hunt down some beamers :devil:

We'll see if Steve, Chike, and I can hunt down some beamers :devil:
Hey, my name doesn't deserve to be mentioned in the same sentence as yours and Steve's. All I do is go into corners way to hot and S-L-I-D-E!!! :o :rolleyes:

How did I miss this thread!?

I am the black WRX that has a few results and pictures posted of. I just recently aquired some wheels:
and some A032R soft compound R-comps (235/40/17):
http://filebox.vt.edu/users/jrest/WRX/_DSC8050small.jpg

We'll see if Steve, Chike, and I can hunt down some beamers :devil:
I noticed your location is near Baltimore... do you ever run at Ripken?

Maybe we can have our own series - you know like the 2006 WRX Cup :D







....Okay don't look at me like I have :alien:

We could definitely run a 2006 WRX cup in the Blue Ridge Region, we already have three. Between Chike, Justin, and myself, we could probably pull one good 06 and driver together. :lol:

Justin,

Chike and I didn't tell you about this thread because you are already fast enough. j/k

guess I'll have to travel.....




perhaps we can run San Marino right after the F1 race, eh?

Chike has Steel Gray also?

3 SG and 1 OBP....

Who else on East Coast is in here with an '06


Rick - Steel Gray # 15



http://usera.imagecave.com/RedTRex/06_SGM.jpg

I noticed your location is near Baltimore... do you ever run at Ripken?

Yeah, but only in the summer when I'm home. I'm moving back up there soon though!

Cool. There are a couple of pretty fast BMWs in DS this year, plus the "usual" ITR!

Chike has Steel Gray also?
Correct! :cool:

OBP FTW! :disco:

We shall see.........................................perhap s at a Subaru challenge maybe.;)

We shall see.........................................perhap s at a Subaru challenge maybe.;)
Mid-Atlantic Subaru Challenge is now scheduled for September 16th @ Ripken Stadium! :devil:

Really? I'll be there

Really? I'll be there
Yup. http://www.subaruchallenge.com/

It was just added on 4/17 to the Upcoming Events page.

Hey Justin, when you go home to Baltimore over the summer, will you still drive down to compete with BRR or will you take a break until school starts back up in late August?

I'm graduating man :p I'll drive down for a fair number of them still. It's my home region that was so nice and welcoming. I'm not sure I'd have gotten as into it as I have if I'd had to put up with WDCR or Philly from the start.

I'm graduating man :p I'll drive down for a fair number of them still. It's my home region that was so nice and welcoming. I'm not sure I'd have gotten as into it as I have if I'd had to put up with WDCR or Philly from the start.
Congrats on graduating!!!! That's a major milestone! :cool:

Definitely hope you can still make a number of events. I'd hate to see the number of WRXs dwindle in D-stock. :(

So this month I am up against a 330i which is excellent.......except one of the best drivers around here will be piloting ........ don't believe I stand a chance. I guess it's just a matter of how bad I get my butt whipped by....

alright, he didn't bring the 330i, and I ended up being alone in DS again....this sucks, but just as well because my tires went on this event, after 1st run noticed the outer edge of the fronts had mumps, my pace was way behind and I ended up really cording them. I also kept getting front wheelspin out of the corners (inside wheel). So I'm told, that happens on V700s right before they toast......


- Time for tire shopping:D

Sounds like you and Steve had similar luck. He broke his control arm mounting location for the SB. That was his fastest run :lol: I coned away my fastest run, but if I hadn't coned that run I'd have been 1 second behind on my RE070s :) Wish the yokos had been mounted and ready!

Oh PS Steve, Me, and my co-driver were 1,2,3 out of 5

I coned my fastest as well - (1.3 sec faster than clean run).


and that sucks - The control arm hole broke out?

Yeah the mounting location for the fsb end link snapped off the control arm.

ouch! that really sucks.


Rick

ouch! that really sucks.
Agreed. I pm'd Steve last night and a replacement has already been ordered. I guess the 245 sized r-compounds and 32mm fsb were a little too much...

Yes the bolt hole just broke out. Our first thought is that it is a casting flaw. I have asked a few people and no one has heard of this happening before. I was second fastest pax at the event with the control arm breaking on that run. It broke on my second run, so I had to pass on my last two runs, but there was definitely more time to be made up if everything had held together. I am starting to get the car and my driving dailed in. Replacement part should be here tomorrow.

Results here (http://www.brr-scca.org/04302006.htm)

I have asked a few people and no one has heard of this happening before.

Isn't 06 the first year for the WRX to have alloy control arms?

I bet no one has ever used 245 R-tires with stock WRX springs and countered the massive body roll with a 32mm bar connected to alloy control arms. Even if the arms are = to STi arms, the amount of force applied will be more because of the soft springs. Anyway, that's one theory!

Good point leecea, for now I am just going to replace the control arm. If the issue continues, I have an idea for a fix that I will try later.

Isn't 06 the first year for the WRX to have alloy control arms?

I bet no one has ever used 245 R-tires with stock WRX springs and countered the massive body roll with a 32mm bar connected to alloy control arms. Even if the arms are = to STi arms, the amount of force applied will be more because of the soft springs. Anyway, that's one theory!

I'm not so quick to agree with that statement. I would lean more towards a defective part - If it happens again, well that's a different story......

Good point leecea, for now I am just going to replace the control arm. If the issue continues, I have an idea for a fix that I will try later.

So Steve, how much is a control arm?

So Steve, how much is a control arm?


about $300 or so..

Bill

I'm not so quick to agree with that statement. I would lean more towards a defective part - If it happens again, well that's a different story......

My first thought was the same as his. It isn't occuring on the STis because the stiffer stock setup makes the bar do less work. It's probably stressing the mount but not as much as on the WRX. 32mm is a lot of stiffness to put through a little AL tab. We'll see, but I don't think I'll be purchasing anything as large as the strano.

My vote is for casting flaw. :)

-Biggly

The part is $250 thanks to a fellow member.

double ouch for an expensive 2 runs.......

We'll see, but I don't think I'll be purchasing anything as large as the strano.
From the way things are going, I may be keeping my WRX close to stock for the next 1-2 seasons as I'm really enjoying competition in D-Stock. I also wonder if a larger fsb is a true benefit for the handling of these cars at the limit. Maybe when I finish setting up my car for D-Stock competition (by the start of the '07 season), I'll convince Steve to be a co-driver of my car for one event and seeing how the handling of our two cars compares...

From the way things are going, I may be keeping my WRX close to stock for the next 1-2 seasons as I'm really enjoying competition in D-Stock. I also wonder if a larger fsb is a true benefit for the handling of these cars at the limit. Maybe when I finish setting up my car for D-Stock competition (by the start of the '07 season), I'll convince Steve to be a co-driver of my car for one event and seeing how the handling of our two cars compares...

It is -- I have the Whiteline 27/29 mm set on 29 and AGXs. I am 4 seconds faster than I was just plain stock (on a 60 sec course).....with very used very small V700s. They are now toast, so we shall see what happens on good tires.
- If you don't change struts and FSB you won't be in the top of the class.....

It is -- I have the Whiteline 27/29 mm set on 29 and AGXs. I am 4 seconds faster than I was just plain stock (on a 60 sec course).....with very used very small V700s.
Just to clarify - this is comparing stock (w/ r-compounds) vs whiteline fsb & AGX struts (w/ r-compounds).

Btw, where did you get your AGX's from and for how much?

Just to clarify - this is comparing stock (w/ r-compounds) vs whiteline fsb & AGX struts (w/ r-compounds).

Btw, where did you get your AGX's from and for how much?

IIRC - I became about 1.5 seconds faster on R's alone and gained the rest onced I added suspension.

I bought from Jegs.com about $500 to the door for the set.....

I just looked and they are cheaper now by $20 for the set.....$440 before shipping

-after 3 days of searching Jegs was about the cheapest including shipping and they had in stock.....

IIRC - I became about 1.5 seconds faster on R's alone and gained the rest onced I added suspension.

I bought from Jegs.com about $500 to the door for the set.....

I just looked and they are cheaper now by $20 for the set.....$440 before shipping

-after 3 days of searching Jegs was about the cheapest including shipping and they had in stock.....
Sweet. Any idea how AGX's compare to Koni inserts?

Btw, is the KYB AGX an insert like the konis? How hard & expensive would it be for your typical shop to install them?

IIRC - I became about 1.5 seconds faster on R's alone and gained the rest onced I added suspension.

I bought from Jegs.com about $500 to the door for the set.....

I just looked and they are cheaper now by $20 for the set.....$440 before shipping

-after 3 days of searching Jegs was about the cheapest including shipping and they had in stock.....

You're kidding me? Wow. I gained, as best as I can approximate, 2+ seconds going to my RE070s on a 60 second course. Granted that's one auto-x on them so far.

Sweet. Any idea how AGX's compare to Koni inserts?

Btw, is the KYB AGX an insert like the konis? How hard & expensive would it be for your typical shop to install them?

No AGXs are a complete strut - they look exactly like the stockers except for being painted red, and having the adjuster on the top of the piston.

I bought spring compressors from Harbor freight and did all 4 by myself in less than 3 hours, while drinking beer, and farting around on the computer....

You're kidding me? Wow. I gained, as best as I can approximate, 2+ seconds going to my RE070s on a 60 second course. Granted that's one auto-x on them so far.

Yes serious.....

what suspension mods do you have?

and why are you racing on 070s? I know a lot of the AS crowd runs on 'em but they are not as fast as R's...

Rick

No AGXs are a complete strut - they look exactly like the stockers except for being painted red, and having the adjuster on the top of the piston.

I bought spring compressors from Harbor freight and did all 4 by myself in less than 3 hours, while drinking beer, and farting around on the computer....
Sweet. Even better.

Another random question, in the DS class do you think installing seats from a regular WRX would be a legal mod? It's not a top priority of mine, but if I ever find a nice set for sale in VA, I just might pick them up...

Yes serious.....

what suspension mods do you have?

and why are you racing on 070s? I know a lot of the AS crowd runs on 'em but they are not as fast as R's...

Rick
Justin has the RE070's mounted on some 17" wheels he picked up. He also very recently sourced a set of r-compounds but shops were asking him $120 to mount them on his wheels. He decided to do the last autoX on the RE070's as a result. His car is stock otherwise to the best of my knowledge - i.e. no suspension mods.

His previous autoX's were done on the stock tires (which I've been doing up to this point). I'd gladly race on RE070's, but just don't have $$$ at this point - I'm collecting some barely used Kuhmo Ecsta's 225/45/17 tires today which I'll mount on my car and get the front -ve camber maxed out using the factory hardware this Saturday.

The RE92s for 06 aren't bad but I wouldn't want to race on them....I did when I first got my 02 wagon.......it was horrible.
Your talking about MXs? I ran 245/50s on my wagon last season......they scream loudly and plow a lot....but at our Scooby challange last year I was 4th place by .007 seconds......1 thru 3 were on R compounds......

Rick

The RE92s for 06 aren't bad but I wouldn't want to race on them....I did when I first got my 02 wagon.......it was horrible.
Your talking about MXs? I ran 245/50s on my wagon last season......they scream loudly and plow a lot....but at our Scooby challange last year I was 4th place by .007 seconds......1 thru 3 were on R compounds......

Rick
Nope. I got a set of lightly used Ecsta supra 712's for $120. I know I won't be able to win any competitions with them, but they'll be a vast improvement over the RE92s...

Any idea if switching out seats or the entire interior for another WRX's is allowed? There's a complete '05 WRX interior on Ebay right now, but ideally I'd like to get just the two front seats from a regular '06 WRX sedan or wagon.

Any idea if switching out seats or the entire interior for another WRX's is allowed? Not in stock. Neither type of seats were an available installed option for their respective years, so no.

Not in stock. Neither type of seats were an available installed option for their respective years, so no.
What if you argued along the lines of it being a cosmetic mod - as there's no performance or weight gain to be had from having these seats? Also, the regular '06 WRXs bucket seats are in a car that's also classed in D-Stock. It's not like using the JDM Spec C seats or even the A-Stock STI seats...

Not allowed - the section I bolded and Italicized below applies......

13. STOCK CATEGORY
Cars running in Stock Category must have been series produced
with normal road touring equipment capable of being licensed for
normal road use in the United States, and normally sold and
delivered through the manufacturer’s retail sales outlets in the
United States. Car models not specifically listed in any Stock
Category class must have been produced, and must meet the above
requirements and been sold through normal U.S. dealerships, in
quantities of at least 1,000 in a 12- month period in order to be
eligible for the Stock Category.
Except for modifications authorized below, Stock Category cars
must be run as specified by the factory with only standard
equipment as defined by these Rules. This requirement refers not
just to individual parts, but to combinations thereof which would
have been ordered together on a specific car. Any other
modifications or equipment will place the car in Street Touring,
Street Prepared, Street Modified, Prepared or Modified Categories
as appropriate. Configurations involving damaged parts (e.g.,
blown fuses) are not typically authorized by the manufacturer and
hence are not allowed.
Option package conversions may be performed between specific
vehicles of a particular make and model, but only between
configurations from within a particular model year. Such
conversions must be totally complete and the resultant car must
meet all requirements of this Section. Alternate parts listed in a
factory parts manual are not authorized unless their use is
specifically referenced in the factory service manual or in a service
bulletin for the specific model.

Nope it's not legal. You can change seats in STX or I guess STU in your case.

Personally, I would care less, because I know swapping TR seats for WRX seats is not going to make you faster.......

There are a lot of folks that due care however unfortunate........

Nope it's not legal. You can change seats in STX or I guess STU in your case.
That might be good to know for '07. Then I wouldn't need r-compounds, just sticky summer tires like RE070's, RS2's or RT615's...

STU would also allow me to get Megan racing coilovers and a larger rear sway bar. Hmmm...

Personally, I would care less, because I know swapping TR seats for WRX seats is not going to make you faster.......

There are a lot of folks that due care however unfortunate........
Hey, a TR with regular WRX bucket seats would be more legal than Shillocks ITR with the JDM front end! :p

Not allowed - the section I bolded and Italicized below applies......

13. STOCK CATEGORY
Cars running in Stock Category must have been series produced
with normal road touring equipment capable of being licensed for
normal road use in the United States, and normally sold and
delivered through the manufacturer’s retail sales outlets in the
United States. Car models not specifically listed in any Stock
Category class must have been produced, and must meet the above
requirements and been sold through normal U.S. dealerships, in
quantities of at least 1,000 in a 12- month period in order to be
eligible for the Stock Category.
Except for modifications authorized below, Stock Category cars
must be run as specified by the factory with only standard
equipment as defined by these Rules. This requirement refers not
just to individual parts, but to combinations thereof which would
have been ordered together on a specific car. Any other
modifications or equipment will place the car in Street Touring,
Street Prepared, Street Modified, Prepared or Modified Categories
as appropriate. Configurations involving damaged parts (e.g.,
blown fuses) are not typically authorized by the manufacturer and
hence are not allowed.
Option package conversions may be performed between specific
vehicles of a particular make and model, but only between
configurations from within a particular model year. Such
conversions must be totally complete and the resultant car must
meet all requirements of this Section. Alternate parts listed in a
factory parts manual are not authorized unless their use is
specifically referenced in the factory service manual or in a service
bulletin for the specific model.
So basically, if I got the regular '06 WRX fog lights, cd changer & painted mirrors only then I could add the different front seats! :p

So basically, if I got the regular '06 WRX fog lights, cd changer & painted mirrors only then I could add the different front seats! :p

That is how I read it......

Yes serious.....

what suspension mods do you have?

and why are you racing on 070s? I know a lot of the AS crowd runs on 'em but they are not as fast as R's...

Rick

0 suspension mods yet. I have Rs as Chike said, they just need to be mounted up. They'll be on for the next event I go to. Maybe a FSB too. Brake pads and better fluid will be coming asap.

I wouldn't waste money on fluid, you shouldn't get the brakes hot enough to worry about it....

Pads yeah, these stockers leave something to be desired........I going to change mine too....

Fluid's cheap and I'm anal.

FWIW, Shillock knows his car is illegal with the JDM bumper. He said he didn't plan on running nationals and if he got protested at a divisional or something he'd understand.

Fluid's cheap and I'm anal.

it's cool. :cool:

That might be good to know for '07. Then I wouldn't need r-compounds, just sticky summer tires like RE070's, RS2's or RT615's...

STU would also allow me to get Megan racing coilovers and a larger rear sway bar. Hmmm...

Yeah Chike. Come play in STU with me :devil:

Dave Mac
#122STU

Yeah Chike. Come play in STU with me :devil:

Dave Mac
#122STU
LOL! I'm going to wait and see what the new PAX indexes are for '07 after Nationals this year. As of right now, I'm planning on staying in D-Stock another year and maybe doing some open track events at VIR.

Personally, I feel that they're better drivers in D-Stock than STU in my region - and as I'm still a 'true' novice ('06 is my first true season in autoX), I'd rather compete against the best drivers each time I go out.

I'm also secretely hoping that a competitive ITR or ZHP driver will relocate to our region by next season... :devil:

Chike
#170 DS

I ran DS last 2 years in my ITR and a year prior in my 02 WRX sedan. From what I've felt from driving the 06's I believe they CAN be competitive with the right setup and a GREAT awd pilot. The improved torque and brakes will go a looong way in helping the car. If I can make it to one of your events this summer I'd love to drive your car.

Dave Mac

I ran DS last 2 years in my ITR and a year prior in my 02 WRX sedan. From what I've felt from driving the 06's I believe they CAN be competitive with the right setup and a GREAT awd pilot. The improved torque and brakes will go a looong way in helping the car. If I can make it to one of your events this summer I'd love to drive your car.

Dave Mac
I'm very open to letting you co-drive my car at an event this summer. However, understand I won't be on r-compounds, just 225/45/17 Kuhmo Ecsta's...

If that doesn't bother you, then look at our region's schedule at www.brr-scca.org and let me know which event you'll be able to come down for!

Chike

Brake pads and better fluid will be coming asap.
What pads will you be going with Justin? What are you other guys using on your 06's?

I loved my porterfield R4-S pads on my Eclipse. Those or Carbotech Bobcats/Panther P+s. My school's car club is sponsored by carbotech so I should probably give them a shot. Motul fluid.

I had Carbotech Bobcats on my 02 wagon - They gripped decent, but I though they required more "effort" than stock.

Not sure if I would use again, haven't researched pads lately.

Motul good - but again, not really needed.....

Has anyone used ceramic pads for autoX duty? I know their "bite" isn't as strong as semi-metallics but it's supposed to be much better than the stock organic pad material. You also won't go through rotors as quickly, have less brake squeal and the brake dust on your wheels wouldn't be as noticeable...

Just a thought. I had Axxis semi-metalics as well as Akebono Pro-Acts on my former SVX, and felt both performed almost equally and were more than adequate for auotX duty.

Slowly closing in on the ITR. This was my first Time Trail and my first time on the Patriot course at VIR. I am pretty pleased with the results. VIRtigo Circuit Cross Results (http://www.get-fast.net/nasacross/5606/)

Nice job! :)

Very nice Steve.....:D

4) D Brett Shillock '01 Acura Integra Type R yellow 57.951
5) C Steve St. John '06 Subaru WRX gray 58.139
Great going Steve!!!!

Would you mind giving this novice some tips at the Pulaski test-n-tune on the 20th? I've made a few changes to my car (225/45/17 summer tires, more -ve camber in the front) and I'd really like to get my 'approach' to attacking a course sorted out....