i took a trip down to the dyno today to get a few numbers and all i realized is that i severly need a tune. i am kinda happy with the numbers but i will go back once i get a tune to see the gains, i am hoping for 10 to 15 whp gain.

these numbers are on a mustang dyno, which seems to give low numbers compared to a dynojet.
i made 240 peak HP and 235 peak torque

here is a pic of my graph, it looks pretty sad to me, it falls off way too much at the end. i hope to get a tune in a couple of months when i have then money, but till then i guess this will have to do

http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/8863/picture5821eh.jpg

my mods are,
TBE
UP
STI TMIC
IC hoses
Short ram intake
UTEC (running stage 3 map from turboxs.com)
turboxs RFL

looks like high numbers to me w/ just stage 3. Congrats none the less.

thats not bad at all for the mods you have listed

i just can't believe how sharply it drops off at the end

off shelf maps are no more then temp map for you to get it custom tuned...

i just can't believe how sharply it drops off at the end

That is typical given your setup. Many things attribute to the drop off, but the turbo size is the main reason. If you're willing to give up some bottom end for some top end, go to stage 4.

get a used vf22, vf34 or vf39 for about $300 and slap it on before you get tuned.

the 22 and 39 should get you more top end power over a td04 and the vf34.

On my old setup when I was still running the stocker snail TD04 i made 247.xx with the only difference being a FMIC, and so be happy with those numbers, and the top end will drop off like that due to the turbo size being just a little guy.

the reason it drops off is because txs has made the base maps SAFE. the most risk is above 5750rpms...so they have made that area safer. get a custom tune and see how much better it can be.

Good numbers.

I still cant believe the difference in how the car feels when you go from stage 2 to stage 3.
I remember, it was like going from a turbo 4cyl to a small block v8. Insane, TQ everywhere.

I notice that you're in NC. Was that at the Mustang dyno in Mooresville? If so, looks like they finally learned how to use it based on those #'s. I'm not even sure what a Stg 3 2.0L should put down but that doesn't sound too bad on a Mustang dyno FWIW.

I notice that you're in NC. Was that at the Mustang dyno in Mooresville? If so, looks like they finally learned how to use it based on those #'s. I'm not even sure what a Stg 3 2.0L should put down but that doesn't sound too bad on a Mustang dyno FWIW.


Years back, Nathan tuned one on TXSs dyno and it made 244whp 245ft/lbs. And that was a GOOD running car.

This guy has no reason to complain with those numbers he made.

sam that isnt bad at all. also think its a mustang so you have to think its gonna read lower than a dynojet.

Great #'s for the mods but power drops off way too much @ 5.5k and on. Like someone said in the above posts slap on a turbo that won't run out of breath at higher rpm's, something like a vf-22/18g/20g.

I still cant believe the difference in how the car feels when you go from stage 2 to stage 3.
I remember, it was like going from a turbo 4cyl to a small block v8. Insane, TQ everywhere.

Geez, I have a stage 3 and I don't get that feeling. Maybe it's time for a re-tune.

Geez, I have a stage 3 and I don't get that feeling. Maybe it's time for a re-tune.

dave is exaggerating, ive never been in a td04 car that felt strong, outside of a 19 psi one on intial spool up.

dave is exaggerating, ive never been in a td04 car that felt strong, outside of a 19 psi one on intial spool up.


But you have been beaten by one :)
:banana:

But you have been beaten by one :)
:banana:

got so treed :lol:

i have the reaction time of a stoner :lol: v6 lol

I notice that you're in NC. Was that at the Mustang dyno in Mooresville? If so, looks like they finally learned how to use it based on those #'s. I'm not even sure what a Stg 3 2.0L should put down but that doesn't sound too bad on a Mustang dyno FWIW.

yes it was in mooresville. I would really like to go stage 4 but i think this is as far as i am gonna go with the car besides a tune. i don't wanna have to buy new injectors and fuelpump.
when i went stage 3 the biggest thing i noticed was how much harder third and fourth gear pull. i didn't notice a huge diff. in the first 2 gears

when i go stage 3 id be more than happy for those numbers. dont stock stis put down like 225hp on mustangs? that would mean you have like 350 chp. good enough for me

yes it was in mooresville. I would really like to go stage 4 but i think this is as far as i am gonna go with the car besides a tune. i don't wanna have to buy new injectors and fuelpump.
when i went stage 3 the biggest thing i noticed was how much harder third and fourth gear pull. i didn't notice a huge diff. in the first 2 gears


Wow! There's hope after all then. I think I was like the first AWD car to go there after they got the dyno installed a couple of years ago. The guy had no clue how to operate it and not only were the readings way off but I feared for my car.

This type of dyno creates a load or resistance the car pulls against it. Apparently, they had a little too much resistance back then. May car was able to trap at 86mph in the 1/8 and about 106mph in the 1/4. On the dyno it laid down a whopping 189whp IIRC. Not to mention that in 4th gear it began to det very badly, where as on the road it ran perfectly. I think I couldn't even get the rpms over 6k rpms at that time.

Sounds like they've got it dialed in now though so I will be visiting them soon once again.

Todd


P.S. If you need some help getting your map straightened out I can help. I'm in Charlotte. However, your TXS stage 3 sounds like it's not doing so bad compared to what others are getting.

Wow! There's hope after all then. I think I was like the first AWD car to go there after they got the dyno installed a couple of years ago. The guy had no clue how to operate it and not only were the readings way off but I feared for my car.

This type of dyno creates a load or resistance the car pulls against it. Apparently, they had a little too much resistance back then. May car was able to trap at 86mph in the 1/8 and about 106mph in the 1/4. On the dyno it laid down a whopping 189whp IIRC. Not to mention that in 4th gear it began to det very badly, where as on the road it ran perfectly. I think I couldn't even get the rpms over 6k rpms at that time.

Sounds like they've got it dialed in now though so I will be visiting them soon once again.

Todd


P.S. If you need some help getting your map straightened out I can help. I'm in Charlotte. However, your TXS stage 3 sounds like it's not doing so bad compared to what others are getting.

i have a friend that just started working at the dyno down there. he said that since they had some problems in the past they brought in a tech and spent some money getting the dyno straitened out to where it should be. they know how to use it now that is for sure, i guess all they needed was experience.

and i would really appreciate any help getting my car tuned.

Sam

dave is exaggerating, ive never been in a td04 car that felt strong, outside of a 19 psi one on intial spool up.

And because you have never been in one, that means it doesnt exist right?

Let me ask you this, how many well tuned stock turbo cars with an aftermarket TMIC (not STI) have you been in??
Exactly now shut your uninformed inexperienced piehole :lol: .

I am NOT exagerating, that is exactly how it felt. Like a small block V8.
And as for you telling me what I felt:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

And because you have never been in one, that means it doesnt exist right?

Let me ask you this, how many well tuned stock turbo cars with an aftermarket TMIC (not STI) have you been in??
Exactly now shut your uninformed inexperienced piehole :lol: .

inexperienced?

im supposed to jerk off over a 245/245 wrx :lol: at low rpms of course :lol:

over a 235/235 stage 2 wrx :lol:

turbo car to muscle car with 10 whp and 10 wtq, rarrrrrr :lol: :lol:

you just drove in a better tuned car.

inexperienced?

im supposed to jerk off over a 245/245 wrx :lol: at low rpms of course :lol:

over a 235/235 stage 2 wrx :lol:

turbo car to muscle car with 10 whp and 10 wtq, rarrrrrr :lol: :lol:

you just drove in a better tuned car.

no tard, you arent supposed to jerk off over it, but you cant deny what it is.
245whp on the stock turbo is great power.

And its not a 10whp/10ftlb difference, its more like 20whp, 20+ft/lbs, and you are a moron, because you know (or should know) that peak power is meaningless. Its area under the curve, and when you pick up big power before and after peak, it makes MASSIVE driveability changes and totally transforms how a car drives.

But you are too much of an ass to ever admit that. So just keep jerking off over your car that has yet to beat my time.

no tard, you arent supposed to jerk off over it, but you cant deny what it is.
245whp on the stock turbo is great power.

And its not a 10whp/10ftlb difference, its more like 20whp, 20+ft/lbs, and you are a moron, because you know (or should know) that peak power is meaningless. Its area under the curve, and when you pick up big power before and after peak, it makes MASSIVE driveability changes and totally transforms how a car drives.

But you are too much of an ass to ever admit that. So just keep jerking off over your car that has yet to beat my time.

you love to exaggerate on this board and mislead people into thinking things are more dramatic and drastic then they are. That is davenow.

20whp to 20 wtq? thats an exaggeration. completely, so get off y0 high horse.......this guy above is disappointed because....well......it is a disappointing modding process.

peak power? wrxs will most likely have a similar powerband, tmic or not, itll just be higher though, peak torque will peak and then fall off hard (tnx td04).....tmic doesnt change that.

my 4 runs dont reflect that your 400, just wait till the track opens, youll eat your words :lol:

i have a friend that just started working at the dyno down there. he said that since they had some problems in the past they brought in a tech and spent some money getting the dyno straitened out to where it should be. they know how to use it now that is for sure, i guess all they needed was experience.

and i would really appreciate any help getting my car tuned.

Sam


Sam,

No prob! I'll hit you up via pm and we can discuss tomorrow.

Todd

that sounds great!

Sam

ive got my money on davenow...

sam and his search for more power. one day you will realize the beauty of twisties and you will work on your suspension...

but really get your td04 reworked by deabolt for like 300 bucks and get dale to tune it and be happy...

ive got my money on davenow...

his 14.0 05 sti? or his 60 psi cylinder 3?

:lol: :banana:

sam and his search for more power. one day you will realize the beauty of twisties and you will work on your suspension...

but really get your td04 reworked by deabolt for like 300 bucks and get dale to tune it and be happy...

i am just not of a suspension person, or a suspension whore like u!

his 14.0 05 sti? or his 60 psi cylinder 3?

:lol: :banana:

Did he try to blow this one up like the last one :lol:

so what are you going to do about the turbo sam

his 14.0 05 sti? or his 60 psi cylinder 3?

:lol: :banana:


Or your VF34 car that is about to be beat by a TD04 car? You know, the one that is running a good .3 off the pace that it should be. The one with more effort and mods into it than Angus's wagon that ran 12.5??
That one?

Keep pulling that weak 14.0 arguement out of your @. But as with all cowards, keep convieniently leaving out that I had owned the car for 2 weeks, and that almost NO ONE can drive them well at the drag strip right away.

Keep leaving out the fact that you have yet to ever beat my time in your supposedly so fast car.

Keep leaving out that you know dick about cars and had to have mark do the work for you.
Dont you have a car to be washing?

Did he try to blow this one up like the last one :lol:

hey retard, how many people (including 2 NESIC moderators) do you need to talk to to find out that I DID 100% blow it up on purpose. because I have at LEAST 10-12 witnesses that saw me doing this firsthand. Its called the wife would never have let me replace a working motor, so I blew it up so I wouldnt have to listen to her bitch when I replaced it with the 2.5 and RA tranny.

Or what do you call intentionally leaning it down, upping the boost 2 PSI then turning the knock detection OFF?

What would you call that???

*sigh* they just keep lining up to get pwnd. How come no one that tries to give me crap, ever has an actual point??? Its always the same uninformed crap.

*sigh* they just keep lining up to get pwnd. How come no one that tries to give me crap, ever has an actual point??? Its always the same uninformed crap.

noone is lining up but yourself.

misinformed = the intraweb after davenow

so what are you going to do about the turbo sam

i am thinking either a VF30,34 or a deadbolt TD04 that has been port and pollished

noone is lining up but yourself.

misinformed = the intraweb after davenow

Davenow= knows a hell of alot more than you...

Sam, you ought to be ashamed of yourself....Your thread started an interweb fight :lol:

i just can't believe how sharply it drops off at the end

but thats when u've nearly reached redline.. i say the numbers look pretty normal for the mod setup. but yea, a custom tune might be in order.. im gonna guess that a custom tune will net you about 10 whp, give or take a few hp.

i think that a tune will net him a bit more than that...

yeah how did this stupid argument get started and why is it continueing?

my thread got hijacked!

anyway, a custom tune will be next to come. b/c if i do end out swaping out turbos it will be a little while.

i seriously dont think you need to get another turbo...i mean you really dont need anymore power after you get a tune...just think those numbers are on a mustang dyno...with a good tune and get on a dynojet those numbers will be huge

Call up TopSpeed and see if they have anymore time open on Saturday, March 11th. Mine is at 12:00.

you better not sam...you are coming to the dragon with us

dont say such things Salem!

:lol:

i can't afford topspeed, between the gas to get down there and the $ for the tune, it is just a little too much for me