ok just installed my AP on the car and put the base map as "stock mode". then i flashed a real time "stage 2 93" map to the car. i literally feel NO performance increase whatsoever. :mad: boost guage is reading between .1 and .11 . i know thats about 15 psi. did everything the instructions said. what could i have done wrong? all i ever heard was it was supposed to be this HUGE increase in power, and i got nothing (butt dyno).....

Cobb recommends putting the stage 2 93 base map as well as the realtime map. Some people say it takes a bit of time for the car to learn.... but I felt a difference right away going from stage 1 to stage 2.

Don

Cobb recommends putting the stage 2 93 base map as well as the realtime map. Some people say it takes a bit of time for the car to learn.... but I felt a difference right away going from stage 1 to stage 2.

Don


so just change the base map to stage 2 93 and switch real time again or leave it?

what boost is everyone else seeing? i think its supposed to be 16.5 give or take .5 right?

Cobb recommends putting the stage 2 93 base map as well as the realtime map. Some people say it takes a bit of time for the car to learn.... but I felt a difference right away going from stage 1 to stage 2.

Don


+1. Make stage 2 your base map. Dumb question, but you have at least a higher flow downpipe right? Cobb recommends TBE. For stock hardware you can only do stage 1.

+1. Make stage 2 your base map. Dumb question, but you have at least a higher flow downpipe right? Cobb recommends TBE. For stock hardware you can only do stage 1.


true true i have a DP and cat back. just changed the base map. heres a real dumb question. in the book to read live boost it says make sure key is in the on position but doesnt say anything about starting the car. this is ok right? :rolleyes: :lol: i just dont want to muck anything up.

true true i have a DP and cat back. just changed the base map. heres a real dumb question. in the book to read live boost it says make sure key is in the on position but doesnt say anything about starting the car. this is ok right? :rolleyes: :lol: i just dont want to muck anything up.

HA HA, yes the car must be on to read live boost.
Do u have a boost gauge as well???

what map are u coming from??

u need to load base map Stage 2 93 & realtime map Stage 2 93 no matter what.

in the book to read live boost it says make sure key is in the on position but doesnt say anything about starting the car. this is ok right? :rolleyes: :lol: i just dont want to muck anything up.

What I've done, since I'm a belt and suspenders kind of guy, is start the car, then plug into the OBD port then scroll through the menus to get live boost. Make sure you unplug the little Cobb connector thingy and the test connectors before you do that.

Good luck

ok thanks...... yeah im coming from NO map (read <<<profile -.5 :lol: ) so target should be 15.8 +/- .5 ...... well i guess ill give her another go. do i need to re flash the stage 2 real time now that ive changed the base again?

ok thanks...... yeah im coming from NO map (read <<<profile -.5 :lol: ) so target should be 15.8 +/- .5 ...... well i guess ill give her another go. do i need to re flash the stage 2 real time now that ive changed the base again?

Yea, i believe target is right around there.
Coming from no map to stage 2, u will definitely feel a big difference.

just took it for a test drive.....its a little better but not what i was expecting :( i cant believe i paid 600 bucks for it. if i knew i would have paid 300 tops. i read live boost and its hitting 16.3psi. but alas butt dyno says im an idiot for spending that much.... :furious:

wrxblubayou,

Most of our map notes contains the following:
"Features such as defeated CELs and Closed Loop tables are not changed with Realtime. This is why we highly recommend you running the Stage Base Map that best matches your car's modification. Running the Stock Mode Base Map with a Stage Realtime map over it will get you some of the improvements but no where NEAR what you would get if you were to run the proper Stage Base map.

Revised Electronic Throttle Mapping. We did this to improve the throttle response. We changed the delays in how the throttle actually reacted to your right foot in an effort to reduce some of the "drive by wire" feel.

Again, you should have no reason why you will want to run the Stock Base map, unless of course you're the type that doesn't like extracting the full potential of your vehicle."

We highly recommend that you use the base map that best matches your vehicles hardware because too many improvements are made in the base map to not use it.

Take care,
Christian.

wrxblubayou,

Most of our map notes contains the following:
"Features such as defeated CELs and Closed Loop tables are not changed with Realtime. This is why we highly recommend you running the Stage Base Map that best matches your car's modification. Running the Stock Mode Base Map with a Stage Realtime map over it will get you some of the improvements but no where NEAR what you would get if you were to run the proper Stage Base map.

Revised Electronic Throttle Mapping. We did this to improve the throttle response. We changed the delays in how the throttle actually reacted to your right foot in an effort to reduce some of the "drive by wire" feel.

Again, you should have no reason why you will want to run the Stock Base map, unless of course you're the type that doesn't like extracting the full potential of your vehicle."

We highly recommend that you use the base map that best matches your vehicles hardware because too many improvements are made in the base map to not use it.

Take care,
Christian.



wow thanks.... thats exactly what i just did :huh:

base: stage 2 93
realtime: stage 2 93

what are you saying? dont do the realtime over the base????????????

anything else i could try? missing anything?

wow thanks.... thats exactly what i just did :huh:

base: stage 2 93
realtime: stage 2 93

what are you saying? dont do the realtime over the base????????????


i wouldn't. . .i've seen some in the past have problems running the same RT over base. Only time you need to run a real time map is when it's DIFFERENT from your base.

i wouldn't. . .i've seen some in the past have problems running the same RT over base. Only time you need to run a real time map is when it's DIFFERENT from your base.


so i guess a reset will fix it then right?

just took it for a test drive.....its a little better but not what i was expecting :( i cant believe i paid 600 bucks for it. if i knew i would have paid 300 tops. i read live boost and its hitting 16.3psi. but alas butt dyno says im an idiot for spending that much.... :furious:


16 is target for stage 2, i'm not sure what you are expecting :confused:

keep in mind these are very conservative base maps, in order to really get the power out of your map you'll need a custom tune.

so i guess a reset will fix it then right?


yes..

16 is target for stage 2, i'm not sure what you are expecting :confused:

keep in mind these are very conservative base maps, in order to really get the power out of your map you'll need a custom tune.


well it just doesnt feel like it pulls any harder. 1-5 feel a LITTLE better but thats it. i guess i just expected too much maybe? from hearing everyone else "stg 2 iz da bomb fast3r"....... i will say its a lot smoother.

well it just doesnt feel like it pulls any harder. 1-5 feel a LITTLE better but thats it. i guess i just expected too much maybe? from hearing everyone else "stg 2 iz da bomb fast3r"....... i will say its a lot smoother.

I think that my car with Stage 2 dyno's at roughly 210ish whp, but the boost comes on earlier, like u said smoother.
With a Pro Tune i went to 235ish..
to maximize ur car a Pro Tune is the way to go, just do all ur mods before because those tuners are expensive!!!! :)

nothing else is needed for a pro tune? just AP and a tuner that does em? (TopSpeed)

Yup. And the parts that you want tuned for :).

wow thanks.... thats exactly what i just did :huh:
I was not being a smart ass. I just wanted to make sure you were aware of the recommendations we publish. Some people do not read any of the instructions and are not familiar with the AccessPORT and its purpose. I was doing what I could to assist, educate, and make you aware of something that you might have not known about. You always have the option of unmarrying the AccessPORT and return it if you are not satisfied. I believe we limit that to a 30-day trial. I will double check.

Take care,
Christian.

I was not being a smart ass. I just wanted to make sure you were aware of the recommendations we publish. Some people do not read any of the instructions and are not familiar with the AccessPORT and its purpose. I was doing what I could to assist, educate, and make you aware of something that you might have not known about. You always have the option of unmarrying the AccessPORT and return it if you are not satisfied. I believe we limit that to a 30-day trial. I will double check.

Take care,
Christian.


no problem but i stated that's what i did in the previous post and i was really pissed at the time. thanks for helping. AND now that ive drove around a bit it feels a lot better. seems the biggest gain is at 50 or 60% throttle though. at that throttle position im running almost stock boost (~11psi). any ideas why? normal? and i also notice that if im cruising in fourth or fifth at 2500 rpm or so and go WOT the boost doesnt shoot up like normal. good i guess since before the AP that was causing a boost spike up to .12 or so. all in all i guess a couple more days and ill be happy with it. just for broke ****s like me 600 is a lot to pay for something and like i said i guess i was expecting 800 hp. :lol:

at 50 or 60% throttle though. at that throttle position im running almost stock boost (~11psi). any ideas why? normal?
Normal, you are not at full TPS so the ECU is not going to target maximum boost.

i guess i was expecting 800 hp. :lol:
Good luck with that on an a close-to-stock vehicle ;)

Take care,
Christian.

Normal, you are not at full TPS so the ECU is not going to target maximum boost.


Take care,
Christian.


im saying isnt that kinda high? i wasnt expecting max boost.

just a thought, if you already had the equipment on the car (TBE, UP) you may not 'feel' much of a difference flashing to stage 2, you will feel a definate smoothness of the engine throughout the range.

this is where this thing really comes alive, it isn't so much that EM adds gobs of HP, a lot of people add the STG2 AP at the same time of the mods, so they feel the extra kick of the better airflow, but it is the fact that you are now tuned for the specific mods, and that you have the opertunity to later add more mods and get those tuned for.

additional advantages of the AP are that you can put 'real-time maps' on top of the base map, that offer additional safety (anti-theft, valet, etc) these may come in handy.

anyway, the AP gives added safety in that it is tuned for a specific level of mod, and will generally be better than just running a mod without any EM. whether you can 'feel' it or not, it is there and it is doing its job.

good luck.

No. The ECU uses RPM and TPS as index points for the Boost Targets table.

just my two cents.
when i went to stage two i didnt notice to much improvement either
i didnt go to the track for about a week after installing it
but when i did i was .9 seconds faster than before.(13.2- 13.4)

my car dyno'd at 216whp and 221torque the day after the install.

i think the soobs just dont seem fast
im stage 2.5+ now, running low 12's and it seems as fast as my integra that runs mid 14's.

maybe cuz its quieter

take it to the track!!

also isnt 1.1 bar right about 16lbs? thats where its supposewd to be

I'd double check your boost levels.

And let the ECU learn, more than likely it will feel stronger as you put more miles on the car after a flash.

soobturbo, same thing goes for you, I'll be after learning you dyno alot better.

Just got my Cobb AP and flashed to Stage 2 93octane v. 1.3. Overall, the accleration is a whole lot smoother and the acceleration is rocking the **** out of my neck. It is probably not THAT big of an improvement over before flash, but it feels smoother. I am also hoping that the ECU learns it and the car feels faster as I drive more and more. A couple months and a few mods from now, I should be ready for my pro-tune.

well it seems the more i drive it the faster it gets. i can really feel the difference now. and yeah i said im running 16.4 or so in 3-5. :banana:

I had the same experience. I didn't notice much difference going to the Stage 2 map over stock ECU. It was definitely less than the ECUTek I had in 2004.

I don't know that I ever got over 16 psi. I probably should have switched to the HWG map, but I was only running stage 2 for about a month before my VF34 & protune.

I will say the Cobb VF34 map is a big kick in the pants over the Stage 2. ;)

I had the same experience. I didn't notice much difference going to the Stage 2 map over stock ECU. It was definitely less than the ECUTek I had in 2004.

I don't know that I ever got over 16 psi. I probably should have switched to the HWG map, but I was only running stage 2 for about a month before my VF34 & protune.

I will say the Cobb VF34 map is a big kick in the pants over the Stage 2. ;)


for me this is good enough for my car. plan to do uppipe and that will pretty much be it. anything more and i might as well get an STi..... :D

well it seems the more i drive it the faster it gets. i can really feel the difference now. and yeah i said im running 16.4 or so in 3-5. :banana:
Give it 500 mi or a week

Also when you flash a base map a real time map is flashed too

sorry for the newbie quetion....but what is TBE? i'm just trying to be in the same page as you guys. thanx

sorry for the newbie quetion....but what is TBE? i'm just trying to be in the same page as you guys. thanx


Turbo Back Exhaust..... ;)

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