Here is a graph of an 05 Sti we Protuned this week with a SMC water injection kit.

http://www.agileauto.com/images/nigelhptq.gif

Mods are:
HKS exhaust
Helix catted DP
APS Cold Air Intake
Prodrive Boost Solinoid
SMC Water Injection Kit
Cobb AccessPort w/ Agile Protune

Boost was set to 21.5 psi and afr was a very safe 11.3 to 1.

-Hill
www.agileauto.com

Wow about ~350hp not bad at all. gain alot from 3000RPM and up.

Thanks. The lack of power before 3000 on the water injection run was actually dyno operator error. I was a little late on the gas. I'll try and get a better graph next time the customer comes up for work.
-Hill

What was the boost set @ w/ the Stg 2 Protune?

We had the boost at 18-19psi on the stg 2 Protune. His injectors were pretty much maxed out at that level of boost. We try not to run the injectors wide open i.e. past about 85% duty but this car had injector duties of almost 90 at peak. The water injection cleared that right up. He has plenty of injector left to work with now.
-Hill
www.agileauto.com

Impressive gains over the Cobb Stage 2 basemap! Makes me want to get some meth and a protune even more! :)

How were the AFR's on the base Cobb map? I have heard of some issues there just curious if that was measured and how back they were fluctuating compared to when you tuned it. Thanks! :)

looks great! What octane gas was used with the meth?

looks great! What octane gas was used with the meth?
It's water injection.

I am impressed with the alky, but I am actually more impressed by how much better the STi protune was than the standard stage II. Congrats and good work!

:huh: wow. thats alot for the stock turbo. seems like it falls off pretty bad at 5500.

Impressive gains over the Cobb Stage 2 basemap! Makes me want to get some meth and a protune even more! :)

How were the AFR's on the base Cobb map? I have heard of some issues there just curious if that was measured and how back they were fluctuating compared to when you tuned it. Thanks! :)


The Cobb map had a little bit of a lean spot (12.5) into boost so we wet that up a bit and then pulled some fuel at redline where it was running a 10.6 afr.

looks great! What octane gas was used with the meth?

The car was running 93 octane.

Could you explain what water injection is please? And the cost to add it...

Sorry for the noob question.

Could you explain what water injection is please? And the cost to add it...

Sorry for the noob question.

See the ALch injection FAQ in the newbie forum.

Its the same thing, this guy just ran 100% water evidently.

Or did he??
Agile, what was it injecting? Water? Meth? Alch? Mix???

Yes, the FAQ will answer all your questions on how it works but if you still have any questions after that feel free to hit me up. The cost of getting it hooked up depends on which kit you get but most install in a few hours (3 to 5 hours for the basic kits).

This customer was running an alcohol/water mix.

-Hill
www.agileauto.com

Hey Hill,

Did the '05 STI belong to SpeedFactory (Nigel) over on IWSTI who owns a taekwondo studio? Those dyno numbers for the Cobb Stage 2 and Protune match up with the ones he told he previosuly made...

If it was SpeedFactory's car, you probably noticed the '06 tails on his car. His tails are now on my '06 WRX TR.

Not bad at all Hill... I am getting my car setup for meth/water injection then reflashed, will be down to see you again...

damn, interesting i think im goin to have to go get a protune sooon.

those #'s r kinda high for the stock stage 2 map, rn't they?

We've actually seen higher numbers on the Stg 2 setup. Colder plugs, an SF intake, and a GM or Prodrive boost solinoid will also give huge gains over a bare stg 2 car. We've seen as high as 360 wtq and 330 whp on this setup with stock turbo.
-Hill
www.agileauto.com

Sorry but what is an SF intake?

Also does the Perrin EBCS do the same as the Prodrive or GM boost solinoid?

I'm working on my stock turbo setup currently :)

Am I correct that these are flywheel #s, right?

Nice #s nonetheless.

Ryan

Am I correct that these are flywheel #s, right?

Nice #s nonetheless.

Ryan

4 real. WHat does a stock sti do on that dyno. Surely you didn't gain 100whp with water inj and a cobb. I know Dynapacks read high, but damn.

We've actually seen higher numbers on the Stg 2 setup. Colder plugs, an SF intake, and a GM or Prodrive boost solinoid will also give huge gains over a bare stg 2 car. We've seen as high as 360 wtq and 330 whp on this setup with stock turbo.
-Hill
www.agileauto.com

that looks almost exactly like it should, actually; now that i look at it agian. i've just seen some people not get those kindof gains from cobb's base map. that's wut threw me off at first. looks like this one took to the standard maps pretty good, however.

wow though, and when u say "on this setup", u mean w/o alky?! i know i've been e-mailing u and u recommended intake/boost solenoid/plugs for a little more power, but i never imagined i'd b anywhere close to 330 hp and 360 ft/lbs to the wheels. i need to get down there, hill :) .

his cobb numbers are almost exactly what cobb advertises for the stg 2 STi.....I'll be there by the summer, can't wait :D

After seeing this, I can't wait to get mine setup with the water/alcohol injection.... Looks to me like you got 60 and 60 from cobbs tune... Excellent work... I should be back to see you in a few weeks Hill... I will call and set up an oppointment after my car is ready...

I'm going for a similar tune, but I have the stock intake and no aftermarket boost solenoid.

Agile, do you feel that with a methanol injection, TBE, and Cobb AP Protuned that the aftermarket solenoid and intake are worth the hp and/or tq?

Am I correct that these are flywheel #s, right?

Nice #s nonetheless.

Ryan

Those are numbers at the wheels. On a Dynapack graph, if the tcf (torque correction factor) is set at 1.00 it is displaying the numbers at the wheels. No matter what, Dynapack graphs always say Flywheel at the top...the tcf is how you know what you're looking at.

The SF intake is Cobb's short ram.

Hill will be on later to answer the more technical questions.

-Annie
Agile Auto

I haven't used the Perrin EBCS yet but I assume its pretty much the same thing. We've had great results with the solinoid and intake so I do feel that they are well worth the money. The solinoid will smooth out your boost curve and allow better control over the boost. The intake will give you a few ft/lbs of torque and 10 or more whp.

EDIT:
Our dyno baselines a bone stock '05 Sti at 251wtq and 237whp.
-Hill
www.agileauto.com

I'm drooling now knowing that with that setup on the stock turbo you guys have achieved over a 100whp/100whtq increase over stock! :D

WOW guys are making those numbers with tuned 20g STI, doesn't even seem worth wasting your money on that Turbo.

Alky is the way to go with turbo cars, I run it day in and day out. I love having an alcoholic car. If anyone has questions about alky hit me up on aim. Great numbers by the way.

Hill,
I know that SMC will be releasing a fail safe device for their WI kit soon. But I'm just curious if you are able to tune for timing to be pulled, in the event of the kit failing and the car starts detonating.

If you have a UTEC you can, I am not sure if other em you can do that for as well

Hydra can do it but that's on the top end scale of the EMS

Hill got great #'s out of my stock turbo too when he tunned mine

Great results guys!

:banana: :disco: x100 for Agile Auto

<----- Here is what they did for me.

I just want to thank Hill, Jeremy and rest of the Agile crew for doing a great job on my tune.
Couldn't be happier! The car pulls so freaking hard and has enough power to hold me off from getting a larger turbo for now.
The only problem I'm experiencing now is keeping the bottle filled since I can't stay off boost. :) Keeping a litre of Alky mix in the trunk is not a bad idea.


Chiketkd- I'm still loving those tails.


Nigel

SO the fuel pump and injectors are stock?

yea because with alky you run leaner although a upgraded fuel pump couldn't hurt.

Wow guys, great work! I'd like to come down with my street tuner and see what you guys can do... I dont have water injection though and I imagine that is the key to squeez that much power out of the stock turbo huh?

I just want to thank Hill, Jeremy and rest of the Agile crew for doing a great job on my tune.
Couldn't be happier! The car pulls so freaking hard and has enough power to hold me off from getting a larger turbo for now.
The only problem I'm experiencing now is keeping the bottle filled since I can't stay off boost. :) Keeping a litre of Alky mix in the trunk is not a bad idea.

Nigel

Hey Nigel, how often do you have to fill the bottle up?

You guys made over 320whp with just exhaust and CAI on the protuner?

That's a bigggg number.

Hey Nigel, how often do you have to fill the bottle up?


It all depends on your driving habits. I usually top off at every fill up just for safe measures. During that time it's usually on the low side.

Hey Nigel, how often do you have to fill the bottle up?

spotted you looking into alky! haha i think there are going to be at least a half dozen alky equipped subarus running around our area come springtime...
thats kinda messed up cause if everyone is using the same tricks as me, how am i gonna be teh fastar?

nice number guys.

Is the prodrive selenoid something that needs to be tuned for (I ask cause I've already been tuned, but would like to put one on)? Also, is it 'plug and play?'

nice numbers

Is the prodrive selenoid something that needs to be tuned for (I ask cause I've already been tuned, but would like to put one on)? Also, is it 'plug and play?'

It does require some tuning to bring the duty on the solenoid down to safe ranges. If you just put it on you'll see enough boost to do serious damage if you go wide open. I can tune the boost very quickly with the replacement solenoid.
-Hill
www.agileauto.com