Location: Oceanside, California
Vehicle: 2004 Subaru Impreza WRX STi

Modification List Includes:
Crawford Performance R3 Short Block
Crawford Performance CP32 Turbo Kit
Crawford Performance Max Street Clutch
Crawford Performance Catback Exhaust System
Front Mount Intercooler
I-Speed USA Programmed ECU
Walbro Fuel Pump
720cc Injectors

Engine Management Information:
Goals: Reliable and Gumball Rally Proven
91 Octane, Pump Gas @ 20 PSI

Dyno Chart Verification:
http://www.crawfordperformance.com/products/images/CP_R3_32_91.jpg

Dyno Graph Simulator Verification:
http://www.crawfordperformance.com/products/images/R3-CP32_91-OCT.png

For more details including:
Wheel horsepower/torque, SAE Corrections, G-Force, Scaling, etc...
Dyno Graph Simulator Verification Link (http://www.i-speed.us/dyno_results/db_viewDyno.cgi?tuneId0=138&tuneId1=109&titleId0=R3-CP32&titleId1=stock)

Key terms: 1/8 mile killer, traffic light killer or canyon runner

Cheers,
I-Speed USA

All that work for 401 FLYWHEEL hp????

There is more than one way to make power, sometimes our customers prefer torque with loads of low end grunt over horsepower any day. I personally drive around 400+ ft/lbs of torque (350 hp) every day and prefer it over top end power, especially for canyon driving.

so where's the 1/8 mile et and mph? :confused: a stock block/vf39 STi will run 8.0 at 85mph in the 1/8 with basic stage 2 bolt-ons (em+tbe), and would also be under 400 flywheel. You should run that setup and post the et's and mph.

There is more than one way to make power, sometimes our customers prefer torque with loads of low end grunt over horsepower any day. I personally drive around 400+ ft/lbs of torque (350 hp) every day and prefer it over top end power, especially for canyon driving.


I understand that much... But these numbers can be made with a Stage 2 STi + alchy injection, is a built block and upgraded turbo really needed?

weak sauce= my olf sz49 would murder this car in the 1/8 with stock 2.5 and boltons and then i would run a canyon run after the race.

i thought to expect more from these crawford products i guess when the shi_
hits the fan it really hits the fan.

i thought to expect more from these crawford products i guess when the shi_
hits the fan it really hits the fan.

haha :lol: . I know the crawford engines can make big power, 600whp+ on S3L's. I think it's the strange flywheel numbers from I-Speed that throws everyone off. I also expect a lot more from a drag racing engine.

C'mon Crawford and I-Speed, go crazy with an R3 and a GT40R on C16 and 30psi+ and run it at the track!!!

C'mon Crawford and I-Speed, go crazy with an R3 and a GT40R on C16 and 30psi+ and run it at the track!!!

The car resides in P.R., its owned by Victor.



This motors over built for this power level IMHO.

The car resides in P.R., its owned by Victor.

true. also tuned by gadiel

Key terms: 1/8 mile killer
I don't see a slip.

-C
Olympic downhill skiing killer (don't ask me to see slip).

I'm amazed at the amount of Haterade in every I-Speed thread. Whose dog did they kick to deserve all of the trash in every thread?

I really hate the flywheel charts... they're not even real to me, since they're just calculated.

Why can't you post results in actual wheel horsepower? Are the flywheel graphs just a marketing tool, or what?

Yeah yeah, I know... a dyno is a tuning tool, and it's used for comparisons... but STILL... would be nice to see real numbers.

spools like a vf34 and has a 100 more hp and 135 more torque not bad. But i do see why some people would bash the guy that chose to have an r3 block.

The biggest advantage over the Crawford 1/4 mile set-ups, is that this car burns only half as much oil per pass.

I am getting tired of seeing the childish hate comments and attacks in so many of these threads involving anything to do with Crawford. Short story is that top speed records and 9-second cars use these motors. I have read all the unhappy/hater stuff, and while some of it may be completely legitimate, so much of it is the childish gang-up. So, I am not convinced. Thus - time to go back to the old street-racer adage: "Run what you brung, and hope that you brung enough." Be seeing you guys at the strip.

No matter what you guys say, 400 flywheel horsepower with all that stuff is amazingly sad.

I couldn't help myself at this one, but I thinks its kinda annoying that instead of addressing the concerns of prospective buyers, they are filing this forum by reviving old and posting new dyno charts...the one thing that has come out of this is that no one here doubts that Crawford builds powerful motors that have a high degree of INITIAL customer satisifaction, the question is are they built properly to last?

spools like a vf34 and has a 100 more hp and 135 more torque not bad. But i do see why some people would bash the guy that chose to have an r3 block.
what vf34 are you using??? :huh:

The biggest advantage over the Crawford 1/4 mile set-ups, is that this car burns only half as much oil per pass.
:lol: if i had water in my mouth while reading this, my monitor would be dripping.

Well, it is a reliable, conservative tune on 91 pump. However, that's a lot of dough to build that motor and do a CP-32 turbo kit for that power range.

I am getting tired of seeing the childish hate comments and attacks in so many of these threads involving anything to do with Crawford. while some of it may be completely legitimate, so much of it is the childish gang-up. So, I am not convinced. Thus - time to go back to the old street-racer adage: "Run what you brung, and hope that you brung enough." Be seeing you guys at the strip.


What are you not convinced about, since you are stating that some of the "issues" may be completely legitimate?

so where's the 1/8 mile et and mph? :confused: a stock block/vf39 STi will run 8.0 at 85mph in the 1/8 with basic stage 2 bolt-ons (em+tbe), and would also be under 400 flywheel. You should run that setup and post the et's and mph.

Will people just stop asking for time slips!!!? Just wait for the "I-Speed USA Quarter/Eighth Mile Time Simulator"

There is another car in PR with a Crawford Performance R3 motor. This car has not been finished yet, but Phil Grabow from Element Tuning fired up the car with a base map (Hydra) and hit 422whp without tuning at 18psi on 93 octane pump gas.

These motors are torque beasts! The car was taken to the strip just for datalogging, and did 11.91@114mph (not tuned) and did 100mph in the 1/8 with pump gas. No simulation.. fact. ;)

Hope to get this car finished within the next 2 months, and have it tuned, to see how it does.

Anyaways.. Gadiel and Team are working in some new projects that should yield very interesting results. I am sure he will post more info once these are up, runing, and breaking records. :)

Gregar, while I generally agree in principal, I'm still wondering why this car needs a "racing" spec block for 320whp. The stock block would be just fine. The GT32 is a small turbo and it shows here. I feel sorry that the owner of the car spent all that money on a fancy block just to slap such a small turbo kit on it. But maybe he's planning on upgrading later.

A bolt-on FP green car would probably be faster. Not impressed, not worth bragging about.

Actually a GT32 in a USDM 2.5L forged engine generates 380 - 410whp on 93 pump gas and 440+whp on c16 VP race gas.

Actually a GT32 in a USDM 2.5L forged engine generates 380 - 410whp on 93 pump gas and 440+whp on c16 VP race gas.

Somehow I doubt it. Where are you getting these figures from?

There is another car in PR with a Crawford Performance R3 motor. This car has not been finished yet, but Phil Grabow from Element Tuning fired up the car with a base map (Hydra) and hit 422whp without tuning at 18psi on 93 octane pump gas.

These motors are torque beasts! The car was taken to the strip just for datalogging, and did 11.91@114mph (not tuned) and did 100mph in the 1/8 with pump gas. No simulation.. fact. ;)

Hope to get this car finished within the next 2 months, and have it tuned, to see how it does.

Anyaways.. Gadiel and Team are working in some new projects that should yield very interesting results. I am sure he will post more info once these are up, runing, and breaking records. :)

If he cleared a 100mph 1/8th mile...how come he only picked up 14mph in the back stretch? I would expect him to pick up a good 20-25mph in the last 1/8th? Not doubting the info, just curious about the results...

The largest standard GT32 compressor is only about 42-43lbs/min. That's 20G level at best. Don't think you're going to do 380whp with that on any dyno.

The largest standard GT32 compressor is only about 42-43lbs/min. That's 20G level at best. Don't think you're going to do 380whp with that on any dyno.

gt32 with 51lb/min wheel:
http://www.pdxtuning.com/technical_GT32_51.htm

1. Aaron beat me to post there is a 51lb compressor.

2. How do I know? My friend has one in his STi, and I just tuned his car. Those are the numbers his car did with a conservative tune. And no..not 380... more!

3. As for the "100mph 1/8th mile" as stated in m y previous post, the car is not tuned, and by that time, had some fuel pump/injectors issue. It has been upgraded with dual pumps and 1000cc injectors. Waiting to solve some minor issues, and get some serious tuning. ;)

what vf34 are you using??? :huh:
As a matter of fact.....this one.

http://www.i-speed.us/dyno_results/db_viewDyno.cgi?tuneId0=22&tuneId1=138

Look at the all 3 curves and compare you can see that the curves are similar except the cp32 kit obviously packs more a punch.

As a matter of fact.....this one.

http://www.i-speed.us/dyno_results/db_viewDyno.cgi?tuneId0=22&tuneId1=138

Look at the all 3 curves and compare you can see that the curves are similar except the cp32 kit obviously packs more a punch.


meh, vf39 + 110 oct owns all :banana:

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=902691

"There is more than one way to make power, sometimes our customers prefer torque with loads of low end grunt over horsepower any day. I personally drive around 400+ ft/lbs of torque (350 hp) every day and prefer it over top end power, especially for canyon driving."

I've visited Crawford/I-Speed and driven this Crawford modified vehicle and it is amazing - so much torque, amazingly quick to full boost. They know what they're doing.

These motors are torque beasts! The car was taken to the strip just for datalogging, and did 11.91@114mph (not tuned) and did 100mph in the 1/8 with pump gas. No simulation.. fact. ;)

Thats one hell of a datalogging run! And a ballsy venture.

If the 100mph 1/8th is correct that car may be able to run 10's on pump gas.

Gregar, while I generally agree in principal, I'm still wondering why this car needs a "racing" spec block for 320whp. The stock block would be just fine. The GT32 is a small turbo and it shows here. I feel sorry that the owner of the car spent all that money on a fancy block just to slap such a small turbo kit on it. But maybe he's planning on upgrading later.

A bolt-on FP green car would probably be faster. Not impressed, not worth bragging about.
You are forgetting reliability for constant track work. The Rally guys does it a lot.

It just some of us think differently.

Take for instant, some guys spend tons of money in NA vehicle for 50-100hp and other would just do a swapped :)

Well.. 99.6mph :D

And I doubt 10s will be possible on pump gas. At least in this car. But who knows. :o Goal is 11.5 on pump gas. Already ran 11.91

Thats one hell of a datalogging run! And a ballsy venture.

If the 100mph 1/8th is correct that car may be able to run 10's on pump gas.

Well.. 99.6mph :D

And I doubt 10s will be possible on pump gas. At least in this car. But who knows. :o Goal is 11.5 on pump gas. Already ran 11.91
Could be very close on pump with an excellent driver. Here are some others with 1/8th mile traps like that. And it was a 100mph untuned. I'd say its very possible, unless it just dies up top.

10.853@130.34 1.805 7.094@103.23 Turbo STi
10.903@126.37 1.661 7.022@102.32 Turbo WRX
11.26@128.19 1.836 7.38@98.81 Turbo STi

What are you not convinced about, since you are stating that some of the "issues" may be completely legitimate?

The whole point is that the word "may" is crucial. There has been no definitive proof of anything so far. The infamous motor that started a lot of the hating may or may not have had detonation/piston swelling issues. And then a motor with a dropped sleeve at 3,000 miles is weird. I actually agree with what I saw posted earlier - if they are going to do it, it happens *very* early after the motor is running. I had a motor drop a sleeve on me before (happened after only 10 miles), and know several engine builders who say pretty much the same thing. It is not that it is impossible, it would just be unusual.

So the whole point is that two motors have been produced with serious questions as to what happened. Everyone else on this (sometimes juvenille board) jumped on with hating statements or stories like - my tuner heard from a friend about another tuner who had a Crawford motor that smoked and burned oil straight out the box. In other words, urban legend, and not real evidence.

This is why I have gotten disgusted with a lot of the comments. And - is why I not only am not convinced, but think that a lot of this is no more than people wanting to pull someone down for the sake of doing it. I've seen it happen on car boards several times before, most notably, the attempt to do-in Hennessey in the Viper world 5 years ago. He is still the best/fastest large-scale tuner in that world.

It continues to be true that the fastest Subaru motors have been produced by Crawford, and on a more limited and race-only scale, by Cosworth for ESX. And many of these have lasted an enormous number of runs and on the street.

It continues to be true that the fastest Subaru motors have been produced by Crawford, and on a more limited and race-only scale, by Cosworth for ESX. And many of these have lasted an enormous number of runs and on the street.
That statement should read...

It continues to be true that MANY fast Subaru motors have been produced by Crawford, and on a more limited scale (not race only, they will sell anyone one if you have $30-50k) the FASTEST by Cosworth for ESX. And many of these have lasted an enormous number of runs and on the street.

I'm amazed at the amount of Haterade in every I-Speed thread. Whose dog did they kick to deserve all of the trash in every thread?
as other have pointed out:

1) posting flywheel horsepower is wack
2) why make a thread titled "1/8 mile killer" with no timeslips (except for 3rd hand tales from puerto rico about a different car entirely)?
3) multiply point 2 by 10.

That statement should read...

It continues to be true that MANY fast Subaru motors have been produced by Crawford, and on a more limited scale (not race only, they will sell anyone one if you have $30-50k) the FASTEST by Cosworth for ESX. And many of these have lasted an enormous number of runs and on the street.

But the fastest ones by Cosworth are not, exactly, streetable. To prevent giving out info that I am not sure is confidential or not (probably OK, but I would rather err on the safe side), I'll PM you the rest if you are interested. Cosworth does make very good stuff though - no doubt about that.

As a matter of fact.....this one.

http://www.i-speed.us/dyno_results/db_viewDyno.cgi?tuneId0=22&tuneId1=138

Look at the all 3 curves and compare you can see that the curves are similar except the cp32 kit obviously packs more a punch.
i dont think ive ever seen a vf34 hit full stride on a ej25x later than 3250rpms. some vf39s (tuned properly) hit full boost before 3000rpms. even the larger vf22s hit full boost quicker than this turbo.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: is a vf 22

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: is a vf 22
what?

Phatron:

I forgot to say, that this time was with an excellent, skilled, experienced driver. When I drove the car, the best I could do was a 12.4@114. I can't say I am a really bad driver, though I have not driven a stick for a bit over 2 years.

Basically, not driven a stick until I was able to fire up this car again. :lol:
I guess a little more practice once the car is completely ready, and I may be able to run 11s by myself. ;)

Could be very close on pump with an excellent driver. Here are some others with 1/8th mile traps like that. And it was a 100mph untuned. I'd say its very possible, unless it just dies up top.

10.853@130.34 1.805 7.094@103.23 Turbo STi
10.903@126.37 1.661 7.022@102.32 Turbo WRX
11.26@128.19 1.836 7.38@98.81 Turbo STi

as other have pointed out:

1) posting flywheel horsepower is wack
2) why make a thread titled "1/8 mile killer" with no timeslips (except for 3rd hand tales from puerto rico about a different car entirely)?
3) multiply point 2 by 10.


Amen... Nasioc is not a billboard.

Any word on IDC and AFR numbers for this tune?

Is this CP32 kit still not true separated twinscroll? Last photo I saw, the split headers formed one uppipe, negating much of the twinsroll advantage.