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Hi there nasioc..

Just wanted to post pics of this new turbo that we just brought into stock. From what I have seen, I don't think there has been talk of it yet. Its an Element Tuning GT49 Oil/Water Bolt on. It uses a mitsu TD06H / Garret .49lbs/min combo.

Some things you can tell by looking at it is that it comes with oil/water lines bolted right to it, its own oil drain spout, with new gasket, for a complete bolt on affair. A very generous port on the exhaust housing inlet is standard. The turbine discharge housing is also smooth as a babies rear, and the wastegate appears to be ported as well.

Retail price for this turbo is 1699.00 No dyno charts yet, but I have been assured they are forth coming. I will do my best to field any questions on this unit if there are some. This post might be a little premature as I know that due to traveling the folks at ET most likely won't be able to comment on this till next week.

Thanks

Garret@worldoneperformance.com
AIM WorldONEPERF

How does this compare to the fpgreen and SZ49?

Best way to compare would be to look at their technical specs. You will find see that they are pretty similar.

Best way to compare would be to look at their technical specs. You will find see that they are pretty similar.
That's what I figured, but what makes this turbo worth the extra couple hundred bucks?

Very sweet!!! Glad to see there are some more options out there for those looking for bolt on turbos. Alot of people dont get that rotated setups ARE NOT for everyone. Going rotated just adds to the list of possible problems and issues one will run into.

So what about the exhaust housing on that turbo? Is that just the standard 7cm^2 or is that an 8cm^2 housing? It is a bit hard to tell from the pics, but it is definitely pretty large.

-Matt

let's see....perhaps it will be the port work, and those oil and water lines that he mentioned???

Looks just like my sz49 I just installed, except mine has a clipped turbine wheel, and has a ported exhaust housing, not to mention DeadBolt has free rebuilds for life :) . What psi IWG actuator does the Element GT49 come with?

Many of the things that come standard on this turbo are options or upgrades on others. I will inquire about the warranty that it carries, you have a choice of actuator at no additional charge, but the ones on the turbos we have in stock here are 14psi.

FWIW, with TD0620Gs w/ .49lb wheels many of our customers have hit 420 WHP on pump with external WGs set ups on various dynos. We have this turbo packaged with and without a EWG set up. Does make not going rotated seem so bad eh?

Any intrest in answering my question???

14psi IWG is pretty good, the DB come with 11psi standard; I have the optional 19psi IWG on mine and love it! I would like to see a dyno graph to see when the peak wtq kicks in. Also do you have a pic and price of your EWG setup??

Wow that looks nice. Phil is the man.

Sorry Shag, I missed it, its 7cm.

Thanks!

Thats what I was thinking, just wanted to be sure. Its definitely got some serious porting going on though!! So since it uses a Garrett/Mistu wheels, is this a ball bearing, roller bearing, or thrust bearing design CHRA? Sorry for all of the questions, I just like to get the information out there that people are going to want to know. Thanks!!!

-Matt

hmmm why not make it a 8cm, guess im gonna have to wait for the gruppe-s 8cm turbo.

Its a thrustbearing CHRA IIRC.

I saw this turbo today at WorldOne. Nicely ported and water cooled. Looks like a nice stock location turbo....and of course one of THE most proven compressor wheels on the STI!! Nice complement to Phil's GT65 turbo kit.

Good news, its confirmed that we will be tuning this turbo on a test vehicle with APS FMIC, Element ECU, PE 850s, and a walbro with APS 3.5 inch turbo back..

Here the test vehicle....

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So what about the exhaust housing on that turbo? Is that just the standard 7cm^2 or is that an 8cm^2 housing? It is a bit hard to tell from the pics, but it is definitely pretty large.

-Matt

FWIW If you look at this picture right here you can see the 070 stamped on the turbine housing. 8cm would be 080
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Is this the Hydra? Or something different?

FWIW If you look at this picture right here you can see the 070 stamped on the turbine housing. 8cm would be 080
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Ahhh ok. Thanks for the bit of info Dave!!! I never knew that and I used to own one of the rare FP18G's with 8cm housing. I will make it a point to check that out next time I see the car it is currently on.

-Matt

One in the same!!!


Is this the Hydra? Or something different?

Another good bolt on option.

Now we have FP Green, DB SZ49, ET GT49. Popular turbo. :D

Good news, its confirmed that we will be tuning this turbo on a test vehicle with APS FMIC, Element ECU, PE 850s, and a walbro with APS 3.5 inch turbo back..

Here the test vehicle....

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;) That'll be interesting. Nice set up if it started!! :lol: :lol:

Ha, its started.

LOL.

Well that's good. That's the first step to tuning it. Good luck installing the new super duper GT49!!


ps you are in early!

Yes I am, are you going to come by today? Would be cool if you did, I am thinking hawaiian.

:-)

So how can I compare this turbo? Does it spool just as fast as a 20G but pulls as hard (up top) as a SZ49?

From all the info in the thread so far, it looks basically the same as a SZ49.

So it should spool just like a SZ49.

We need less time spent re-inventing the wheel and more time spent inventing and releasing the Hydramist :D

Does anyone have an idea of the spool up time on this thing? Will it spool as quickly as an SZ-49 with a fatboy turbine? WHat turbine does this turbo actually use TD-06?

Does anyone have an idea of the spool up time on this thing? Will it spool as quickly as an SZ-49 with a fatboy turbine? WHat turbine does this turbo actually use TD-06?
Looks like a TD06H unclipped wheel, which will spool slightly sooner than a clipped wheel.

We need less time spent re-inventing the wheel and more time spent inventing and releasing the Hydramist :D
Hey now, I want to be first on the list of that release :p

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We need less time spent re-inventing the wheel and more time spent inventing and releasing the Hydramist :D
Watch for it Friday Apr. 28th!!! Over the weekend I tuned to 28.5 psi of boost and an AFR of 12:1 and 4 degrees more of advance with my Element GT65 turbo. I think Phil will squeeze out 1 psi more by going a bit leaner before the Perrin injectors die. I'll let you do the calculations on what sort of power that is on pump gas.

PS
Phil and I were talking yesterday about the Hydramist and we agreed that we had individually broken everything in the system at least once (FIA2, this hose, that hose, good grounds, poor grounds, shorting out between devices). Richard Lamb is cursing the day he talked to either of us. Be glad you are not doing R&D.

It's robust at this point and that's good!!

Now go buy one of these nice shiney new GT49's from Garret or Phil.

^^^Wow, last time I spoke with Phil he didn't sound like it would be out quite that soon. But if he is watching this thread he should know to box up one of the systems now for me. This is one of two items I have been waiting for. Thanks for the info bboy.

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No, I've been working on this myself, and Phil and I have been comparing notes. Phil is very close to having a kit to sell.

We road tuned today, and we want more water (so I'm ordering more jets). Dyno is still on Friday.

hmmm why not make it a 8cm, guess im gonna have to wait for the gruppe-s 8cm turbo.


It will still be a TD-06 20g. But it seems to be a good option with features that will set it apart a little bit...mainly the price...hopefully.

It will still be a TD-06 20g. But it seems to be a good option with features that will set it apart a little bit...mainly the price...hopefully.
What?? It's almost the same as a sz49, but with a unclipped wheel, not a 20g...n00b

Isn't it better to have a clipped wheel?

Isn't it better to have a clipped wheel?
They both have there Pros and Cons.

Clipped wheels- Make peak tq at a higher rpm(spool up a bit slower), but have a better flow at a higher rpm(makes more hp).

Unclipped wheel- Make peak tq earlier(spool up a bit faster), but drop off some at higher rpms(makes less hp).

I guess that would make sense.

What?? It's almost the same as a sz49, but with a unclipped wheel, not a 20g...n00b

Hey n00b, if you actually read the quote I was commenting on he mention the 8cm Gruppe-S turbo. Which is as far as I know the new Helix unit, not Gruppe-S, that hasn't come out yet that is basically a heavily modifed TD-06 20g which can make more power than a Green according to Gruppe-S on their dyno. If there is another turbo Gruppe-S sells or will sell with an 8cm turbine by all means let me know...n00b...

Hey n00b, if you actually read the quote I was commenting on he mention the 8cm Gruppe-S turbo. Which is as far as I know the new Helix unit, not Gruppe-S, that hasn't come out yet that is basically a heavily modifed TD-06 20g which can make more power than a Green according to Gruppe-S. If there is another turbo Gruppe-S sells or will sell with an 8cm turbine by all means let me know...n00b...
I just hate ignorant flamers... a 20g has a 44.4lb comp wheel- this turbo has a 49lb comp wheel.

BTW, you are the one with the "Scooby Newbie" under their screen name not me n00b:lol:.

No really???

LOOK at the quote I was comenting on...I was making the comment that the turbo he was talking about had the 44.5 wheel (hence me saying 20g), not the 49 like the Green, SZ49, etc...I wanted to clarify that the turbo he was mentioning was not the same......

yeah I'm the noob with the 30,000 member # vs you with the 70,000 #




Don't mean to hijack

Please follow rules while posting... this belongs in the ANNOUNCEMENT forum, not in a TECHNICAL forum.

Sry 8 :( , I will take this conversaton to Tec fourm.. ;)


Member # are just that numbers, it's what you say and how you contribute...

so i dont get it?, :confused:

does it spool like a sz49 or what?

just kidding!!

cant wait to see that turbo on bailmiesters 06er!!!

this turbo.... is the ish. im hitting 18/20 pounds of boost by 3400 and it jsut keeps pushing, im having a hard time keeping up with the shifts :banana: great turbo and i would say keep ur eye out for them at world one cause it kicks arse :banana: :banana: :banana:

this turbo.... is the ish. im hitting 18/20 pounds of boost by 3400 and it jsut keeps pushing, im having a hard time keeping up with the shifts :banana: great turbo and i would say keep ur eye out for them at world one cause it kicks arse :banana: :banana: :banana:
Really?...can we see your dyno graph, that sounds really too soon for a 49lb comp wheel...

ill post dyno graphs when i get them

bumpo

no dyno charts yet guys soon hopefully.

still no dyno charts?

any charts yet?????