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View Full Version : not boosting fully @ stage 2, Help plz
aznsynical 05-01-2006, 05:03 AM When i first installed the stage two map with my tbe, i was boosting at about .11 on the stock bar boost guage.
1.A few days ago i messed with the real time map and put it into anti theft mode for the hell of it. I then reset the ecu to remove the anti theft mode.
2. The ap read that it is running stage 2 still, but the problem is that my stage 2 is boosting at .5-.8 on the guage. I forgot if that is the stock boost or stage 1 boost.
3. My friend and i unmarried the ap, then reloaded the stage 2 map, but it is still running ****ty. I rode in his stage 2 06 and it was pulling much faster than my 06 at what it claims to be stage 2.
Im wondering what the problem is. Could it be that i need to give it time to relearn? i still only have about 60miles on the car since the reloaded base 2 map. It isnt throwing any cels with my tbe either. Could people please throw me some suggestions. Thanks
-Alex
marcymarc 05-01-2006, 12:32 PM Wait, you first said you had a CBE, then a TBE.. i hope you meant to put TBE in both for the stg.2 ... if so your good..
-ok, first, after you loaded your base map, reset the ECU, either take the battery cable off, or do it through your AP.. give it about 3-4 days to learn the changes to the ECU..
-im not too sure about this, i have a defi boost gauge. but i think on the stock gauge, it should read about 1.3-1.5 for 15.8 PSI (max boost)
-i have an 04 too, im not sure if the max boost has changed??? read the ;map notes on cobbs website to see about max boost.
aznsynical 05-01-2006, 12:43 PM Wait, you first said you had a CBE, then a TBE.. i hope you meant to put TBE in both for the stg.2 ... if so your good..
-ok, first, after you loaded your base map, reset the ECU, either take the battery cable off, or do it through your AP.. give it about 3-4 days to learn the changes to the ECU..
-im not too sure about this, i have a defi boost gauge. but i think on the stock gauge, it should read about 1.3-1.5 for 15.8 PSI (max boost)
-i have an 04 too, im not sure if the max boost has changed??? read the ;map notes on cobbs website to see about max boost.
thanks, i edited. I did it through my ap. I forgot to mention sometimes in 2-3rd gear @ wot it sikes up to .11 and back down to .5-.8.
BTW its been 4days since the reset. I'll go wot on the way to school to see how much its boosting
TeknoWhore 05-01-2006, 03:34 PM I would try to download some new maps from cobb. Also, give it a few days. I think you want to be hitting about 1.2 on the gauge. That is around 16psi.
marcymarc 05-01-2006, 03:46 PM well, if he has an 06, hes got the newst maps for the AP..
and when you mess with the realtime maps, you dont need to reset the ECU over and over, just load the realtime map stg.2 and your good.
-you wont hit full boost until 3rd gear.
the only thing i can suggest is just try to wait it out and see if it gets better. And, the ECU "learns" your driving habbits.. ie: if you like to drive fast, it will remember that. maybe your friend romps around in his, and thats why his is faster.
but this is also a problem with OTS maps, they dont work EXACTLY the same on every car.
old trick with these 'learning ECU's', if you didnt know. disconnect your battery, pump brake (drain all power left) and replug.. should already be loaded (stg.2 map) and go drive the hell outta it! find an emptly straight, and hit WOT about 5 times through 2-4th. your ecu will then get tricked and yuo get the most HP outta it. it will remember your driving habbit.. just dont drive it like a granny until you know its relearned..
CynicX 05-01-2006, 05:47 PM May want to call Cobb too. Doesnt seem like something we can fix on line since you've pretty much done everything that would have been suggested.
There was a problem with reverting back to stock on the 06's. But that shouldnt be a problem since you went to stg 2.
Payback 05-02-2006, 03:11 AM When you change the real-time map to the anti-theft and then want to go back, don't reset it. Instead, switch it to the appropriate real-time map. Since you are at the Stage 2 base map, you choose the Stage 2 real-time when you want to go back. It's not totally clear in the manual, but that is what they are for and how it works.
The AP will only read the base map. If you change to another real-time map and use the AP to check which map you are on, it will still show the base map; in your case the Stage 2 map.
I think you meant .05-.08 and not .5-.8. .08 MPa is only 11.6 psi which is low, but what gear was this in, rpm, etc? I don't know what stock boost is on an 06 but that is lower than the stock 02-05 which is 13.5.
Give it some time to learn and adjust. Your car was just reflashed and your friend's was not. If it was running fine before (.11 MPa is 16 psi which is on target), and you just reflashed it (which rewrites everything), then there shouldn't be anything wrong.
sborderz 05-02-2006, 05:39 AM You know, 02 wagon with just a tbe hits .1 on a stock boost gauge in wot. It seems like .11 is prettty low for a stage two ap map. maybe i just have a fast 02?
Payback 05-02-2006, 12:20 PM Target boost for a 2006 Stage 2 is 15.2 +/-.7 psi, so he is on target. The .1 you are hitting is 14.5 psi, which is 1 psi over stock. Believe it or not, the difference between .10 and .11 is 1.5 psi.
Sounds like your car is doing well with just the TBE, but if you get yourself an AP and run the Stage 2 map, you will see a big improvement. Boost level is not the only indicator of power and there is much power to be unleashed in that beast. Set it free! :banana:
Here's a pressure calculator for those that are interested:
Pressure Calculator (http://www.projects.ex.ac.uk/trol/scol/ccpress.htm)
aznsynical 05-02-2006, 06:27 PM dammit thanks ror the comments guys. I'll wait it out a few days. Im not use to this lack of power from the first original reflash of stage 2.
I see now i should change the real time map to stage 2. What would happen if i put the real time map to stage 2?
marcymarc 05-03-2006, 09:50 AM nothing, thats how mine is now.. the realtime maps are for quick settings to throw to the ECU... i just took a 1 an a 1/2 drive.. i changed the realtime to econo, then once i got to my destenation, i loaded the realtime stg. 2...
Payback 05-03-2006, 12:29 PM The purpose of the real-time map is to put it back to the settings of the base map after using a different map. marcymarc's economap post is a perfect example.
do the vishnu reset and see if you hit your boost. reset the ecu, get car to operating temps while not boosting, and then hold 3rd gear at 2600 rpm while boosting 3-6 psi left foot braking. Do this for 2 or 3 seconds and you should be good to go. My stage 2 wouldn't boost immediately after a reset, but if I did this reset it would.
aznsynical 05-05-2006, 03:48 AM yea guys i just reset the ****, using the vishnu technique and went for a few test runs. Max boost in 3rd is 15.6psi but for like a sec. It feels torquier than before tho. Thanks i'll have some fun at the drags tomrrow =)
Cation 05-07-2006, 10:38 PM You know, 02 wagon with just a tbe hits .1 on a stock boost gauge in wot. It seems like .11 is prettty low for a stage two ap map. maybe i just have a fast 02?
.11 is not low it's on target .11 MPa = 16 psi see here
http://www.nahad.org/ihag/appendix_a.htm
anthony_delprete84 05-13-2006, 10:14 PM cant he just adjust his wastegate arm?
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