Dan, I'm giving up on my quest for affordable, light 17x8.5's or 17x9's, not to mention trying to find a vendor that is credible and knowlegeable like you are. So, after much looking around, I decided Rotas are the way to go for me. More specifically, Hyper Black Rota Torques in 17x8 5x114.3 for my '06 STI. Can you pm me with price and availability? Let's do this!