What I've gathered from reading the board thus far is that getting the right mid-pipe goes a long way to quieting the car down on the inside. As far as having the mentality of Honduh owners, if that's what you believe, than perhaps you don't belong here. One of the biggest draws of Subies is the uniqueness of the flat 4 engine and how it sounds, etc. Why is it so wrong to want to enjoy hearing the sound of our engines? More than anything hearing that sound gives me an ear to ear grin, screw what other people think!! I can't wait to get a Stromung this summer!!