if you're going to be picky enough with a new car that you will have to order it through a dealership, what position do you have to negotiate a lower price? do you have to go earlier in the model year to get good deals on ordered cars? is it all the same since you can still shop around to other dealers? I plan on having to order my next car in order to get what I want on it, but I don't want to pay MSRP just to get the color I want with almost no options. When ordering a new car, I'd assume you'd negotiate out the whole price ahead of time, but is the dealership just going out on a limb that you'll actually buy what they order for you, or do they hold you to some deposit before ordering?