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Old 06-22-2004, 12:57 AM   #22
banman
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I've tried to bite my tongue on this one, but I don't think I can let it slide without comment.

Sunny, we all know you're a disgruntled former Subaru owner. But did it ever leave you stranded at the side of the road? Did the repairs cost you anything out of pocket?

As far as problems go, while a faulty power window is annoying, it is hardly on the same order of magnitude as, say, a coil-pack failure or wastegate self-destructions (not mentioning any brands in particular here). And, as I have pointed out before, all you get from reading message boards is anecdotes. A recent survey of German automotive club members ranked Audi at 26 and Volkswagen at 31 (out of 33) for customer satisfaction. Toyota was #1, Subaru #2, and Honda #3.

I've had my car in for the clutch shudder TSB, but to be honest, the clutch shudder was something I could live with, and (apparently) nothing that would compromise the normal life or operation of the car otherwise. But I didn't have to pay for it, either, so I can hardly complain. My car just rolled over the 2-year mark, and it has cost me nothing besides oil changes. And this from a car that has seen 5 TSD events, 3 Rally-X's, a full track weekend, and several auto-x events.

Yes, the tranny has had issues for some people, but then again there are people on this board who have raced competitively in SCCA and national-level rally events who are still running the stock tranny and clutch with no problems. Could Subaru have designed a better tranny? Absolutely. Is the one they used adequate for 95% of drivers/cars. I think so.

I'm not sure I agree with your assessment of interior quality, either. Most Volkswagen interiors I've sat in have been nice, true. But I've also sat in a lot of other cars in this price range and I can honestly say that the quality of materials and build tolerances are much better than most of the competition; for example, I sat in my sister's new ('04) Mustang and was appalled at the quality of plastics and panel gaps in that car. Obviously, though, when you have a car that spans $20,000 in price (<$25,000 for a TS to ~$45,000 for an STi), SOMEWHERE in that price range you will find a car with a nicer-looking interior. If a nice interior is all you care about, then there are obviously better cars out there for you. But there's a reason there are essentially no other AWD cars on the market at this entry-level price point, so one of the trade-offs is obviously the quality of the interior. You've decided AWD isn't worth that trade-off, and that's fine, for you.

As for why you still hang around on a (Vancouver) Subaru message board when you:
a) no longer own a Subaru
b) don't like Subarus
c) don't even live in Vancouver anymore
- we won't get into that.


I'm not out to start a flame-war; I just thought that the newer members on here would benefit from my perspective as a satisfied subie owner as much as they would from yours as a disgruntled one.

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Originally posted by -S-
Probably because Subaru suffers from questionable engineering, design, and quality control? Again, I bring up the various window problems. How hard is it to engineer a proper power window a bunch of different failures, streaks, grinds, clunks, and squeaks? What about the tranny? Clutch? Seats that don't worn out in a few years? Headliners that doesn't feel like fuzz glued on plastic? My ass crack is better carpeted than that.

Toyota/Honda doesn't seem to have any problems with their North American built cars. I mean, really, it's not like American autoworkers are all fat chumps and can't torque a bolt right or insert the ECU the right way, and that Japanese autoworkers are incredible trunk monkeys that leave secret messages the side of your radio with Engrish a la NSX style and voila, your car is nearing perfection just because it's built in the land of rising sun. My mom's '92 North American built Camry had build and materials than my '02 Subaru. That says a lot, imo, considering they're priced similarly, albeit with slightly different purposes in mind.

When it comes down to it, for the most part, these cars are just assembled, and not designed here. So yes, part of the quality problem should be laid at the door of the assembler, but when Imprezas have their large share of problems, it's the QC, design/engineering that should be reviewed.

Now, don't you go mentioning GMs and Fords.
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