yeah these are terrible. Its almost as if I push the brake pedal and I can feel the pads rubbing on the rotors but the harder I push its almost as if the slicker the bit becomes. I would say maybe I did something to screw up the pads or the rotors when I installed them. But I took them directly out of the packaging and onto the car. The only oil substance was my finger grease and brake dust. Which I cleaned away with brake parts cleaner. From the first time I touched the peddle backing out of the driveway I thought wow these don't bite at all. Think I will try putting stock pads back on the front just to test.