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Old 10-20-2001, 12:26 AM   #1
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Default Want to pirate service manual...

I'm irked at SOA for charging $250.+ for the Impreza service manual.

I see that somebody's already posted the maintenance schedule, which is super, but not even the tip of the iceberg.

Seems to me that one of you guys that knows so much about computers ought to be able to post the entire service manual on the web so that I can download it for free.

Yes, I know this is probably some form of copyright infringement, but if SOA really wants to get after me then they can explain to twelve of my peers why they're charging $250.+ for something that really should've come free with the car.
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Old 10-20-2001, 10:16 PM   #2
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I think you might spend $250 at the copy machine. OK, not really, but its a lot of paper.

I have the set for the MY 2000 Impreza... 8 volumes. They total about 6 inches thick. My estimation is its somewhere in the neighborhood of 2500 pages if you print it out single sided.

If this is something you want to do, I suggest finding someone local and copying the pages you want, rather than the whole set. Don't get me wrong, its very useful. But how often are you going to need the 600 pages of OBD II?
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Old 10-21-2001, 03:31 PM   #3
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It seems to me someone needs to buck up and get real. The service manual is not meant for the average Joe- hence the hefty price tag . Try buying the 1999RS Manuals... you have to buy 1993 to 1999 to get it all (~$800 ). I have 0 problems hosting the service manual, but I'll be damned if I'm going to pay $250 to buy it myself just so you can have it for free .


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Old 10-22-2001, 11:22 AM   #4
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I'll be damned if I'm going to pay $250 to buy it myself just so you can have it for free .
and face the wrath of FHI lawyers trying to close your website down for copyright violations!

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Old 10-22-2001, 01:16 PM   #5
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Bah, someone at SOA already gave me shiznats for the part numbers on my site... too bad that's public information . For every site that can be shut, 4 more can be in it's place within hours . I'll just host it in Khazakstan or something .

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Old 10-23-2001, 07:01 AM   #6
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"The crows flies at midnight....."

Let me know when to 'flip the switch' on my new site in Armenia!
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Old 10-23-2001, 11:52 PM   #7
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Everyone,
I am also looking for a service manual or at least a website that will provide access to the manual for a 2002 WRX Sport Wagon. I just purchased accessories from SubaruParts.com and it is interesting to note that there are no instructions with the short throw shifter and the instructions that were packaged with the shift knob were in japanese only.
For everyone who owns a 1999 or older Subaru, if you point and click on www.alldatadiy.com , you can purchase a one year subscription for access to a service manual for $25. Unfortunately, only professional mechanics that subscribe to the entire service get access to the newest manuals.

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Old 10-24-2001, 10:04 AM   #8
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sgalper, how do they present the manual online? Is it downloadable? Are individual pages downloadable? Or is it all non-saveable and online only?
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Old 10-24-2001, 11:10 AM   #9
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Well, if you go to the site, they have a demo of the program using a Tempo and a Ranger . It's good, but not great if you have dialup like me .

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Old 10-24-2001, 12:31 PM   #10
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That's a clunky interface!

If someone wants to loan the manuals, I'll scan the pages and make a PDF out of it.
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Old 10-24-2001, 01:34 PM   #11
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Julian,
Instead of a pirate, why not a partnership? I am willing to pay $ 25. toward the cost of a copy of the service manual for the WRX. If nine other people who are interested will e-mail me, then I will front the cost of the manual. Everyone who pays their $25. will then get a copy. I propose that Julian gets a free copy for doing all the work.

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Old 10-24-2001, 01:53 PM   #12
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hmm... a friend of mine was telling me about these IRC bookwarez channels that he found... i'm at work now but i'll check it out and see what i can find when i get home today. He says that he can find pretty much anything there, so keep your fingers crossed. Of course this information is strictly for evaluational purposes and if you like the product you must purchase it within 48 hours of downloading it
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Old 10-24-2001, 02:04 PM   #13
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sgalper, now that's an idea! And it would seem legal-ish (fair use clause), to boot.

It'll take a while, but is certainly possible.

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Old 10-26-2001, 03:44 PM   #14
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Julian,
Instead of a pirate, why not a partnership? I am willing to pay $ 25. toward the cost of a copy of the service manual for the WRX. If nine other people who are interested will e-mail me, then I will front the cost of the manual. Everyone who pays their $25. will then get a copy. I propose that Julian gets a free copy for doing all the work.

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put me on the list. Plus, there isn't a site to prove that a copy exists.

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Old 10-26-2001, 07:59 PM   #15
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I'm on as well for $25 for the copy. Are you talking about copy on CD-ROM or copy on regular paper from a print shop? Either case, I'm in the GB.
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Old 10-26-2001, 09:55 PM   #16
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I'm in for 25.00 don't know if it is legal thought.
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Old 10-26-2001, 10:07 PM   #17
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The partnership idea is interesting, but do you realize what you're up against?

I have 7 of the 8 manuals on my desk right now. The stack is over 6" high, and the last manual is at least another inch thick. That's several Thousand pages to photocopy. The pages are bound, so you can't run them through an automatic feeder, you'll have to stand there and manually press each page down on the glass.

If this gets done, I'll be truly impressed.
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Old 10-27-2001, 08:19 PM   #18
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Default This is working out just as I planned...

Dr. Galper, you've proposed just what I wanted in the original post!

I'll gladly put up $25.- to get the thing as a PDF, I sent you an e-mail.

RE: Photocopying it... I don't really want a print version, I probably won't use most of the pages anyway, and those few that come in handy I'll print off the old ink jet at home.

BUT, somebody's still going to have to scan in all thos pages... this is probably worth more than a free copy of what we've hopefully reduced to a $25.- manual.
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Old 10-27-2001, 11:39 PM   #19
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Julian,
I am ready to purchase the manual for the partnership. Enough interest has been shown that I am ready to order the service manual and front the cost. Are you ready to scan all the volumes and make a PDF file for the ten individuals who are in the partnership? Once I receive your post that you are still willing to move forward, I will place the order and mail the manuals to you. No member of the partnership has to mail any money to me until the project is complete. I will account for all the costs involved in the transaction and expect that each person will contribute 10 percent of the cost. There will be no profit in this transaction and I will not make any material available to anyone that is not in the partnership.

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Old 10-28-2001, 10:18 AM   #20
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Hmm.. After measuring the thickness of one manual and counting the pages, I estimate that the complete set is about 3500 pages.

How much time will it take a person to scan a page, fiddle with it in software and print it to a PDF file? I'd guess 2 minutes is very optimistic, probably more like 3 minutes. Let's use 2.5 minutes as an example. Maybe someone with some programming skills could write a macro or script to automate the process.

3500 x 2.5 minutes is 8750 minutes, or 146 hours. At 8 hrs/day, that's over 18 days as a 'fulltime' job.

I'd guess running them off on a copier might take 15 seconds per page to print one copy, more copies could be run later from the 1st copy, on an automatic copier to save time. 3500 x 15 sec = almost 15 hours standing at the copier.

BTW, I could not find any copyright notices in any of the manuals, so one could argue that copying them violates no copyright laws.

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Old 10-28-2001, 11:31 AM   #21
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Who will be going to countries like Taiwan or Korea. You can get the whole manual copied and bounded for around 20 bucks. They do a wonderful job. We can have that shipped back afterward. The total cost should not be more than 35 bucks, with shipping back to our door steps. Don't know if they have places where they can scan it into CD-ROM, which is the preferred way. I would imagine if they do, it will probably cost twice the amount to copy.
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Old 10-29-2001, 10:31 AM   #22
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Well, I go away for the weekend, then come back to find another project waiting for me!

To answer some of the questions:

I can do it. In fact, I have done it before. It will not be 18 days, however. It will take me a couple months (2-3) to get everything scanned in and processed/PDFed, and the CDs made and tested.

If I did it, what you would end up with is this:

A CD-ROM with all the manuals on PDF, in sections as is appropriate. There'd be an autorun for PCs (though the PDFs would be viewable on any computer (Mac) that can read ISO CD-ROMs and has an Acrobat Reader program available for it. The PDF files wouldn't be searchable, since I'd be scanning it in as a graphic (OCR would take longer, and I don't have the best software for that); however, the PDFs would all have bookmarks as is appropriate. The quality should be very good, and the page zoomable (default on-screen display would be like 70%, so you could magnify the remaining to 100% to see detail).

Also, I'd have to lop the binding off the manuals, but if it is already drilled for three-hole binders, then they'd go right back in.

Thoughts?

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Old 10-29-2001, 06:33 PM   #23
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2-3 months, 3500 pages, 8" thick this gives a whole new meaning to manual labor.


No copyright notes on the original manuals? Interesting.

One thing to think about is a "payment plan." Since these are available in volumes and you don't need ALL the volumes, you may want to just purchase them as required. Maybe you only need the engine manual now. You certainly won't need BOTH the automatic and manual transmission volumes. So next time you need the Body Electrical manual. Just pay as you go.

If were organizing this, I would start a thread on another board or communicate via PM & email. Better safe than sorry. Maybe I'm just paranoid.
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Old 10-29-2001, 06:58 PM   #24
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M, if different people start asking for different configurations of the CD-ROM, then it will become more difficult to manage administratively. If there is only one choice, then the person who is managing this huge task won't have to keep track of who wants what.

The auto guys don't have to go into the MT section, and vice versa for the MT guys. You aren't going to save that much anyways. You are talking about less than $50 for the whole thing.
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Old 10-29-2001, 07:17 PM   #25
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Julian, I'm in for a couple bucks! We are talking about the 2002 Impreza manuals, right? All models, not just WRX?

"manual labor"
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