|08-31-2006, 09:10 PM||#1|
Always under your radar!
Join Date: May 2000
Suggestions to SOA: Ref. Future Models
As part of the excitement and evolvement of Subaru's next generation models, I have taken the liberty to point the News & Rumors forum to something more benefiting for us and SOA. Because of your dedication and loyalty to the Subaru brand and this community, this thread would be helpful to express your interests, suggestions, ideas and comments to SOA, which can help/aid them to evaluate what means most to the consumer.
Alot of people here in NASIOC are very knowledgable and want to see Subaru grow, which in turn have expressed some valuable point of views. Well, this is an opportunity to reflect these sentiments to SOA. As Subaru enthusiasts (the consumer), it is imperative that your posts are to be addressed accordingly and not to take advantage and give SOA a "piece of your mind".
As always, the rules of NASIOC still apply and even more so since this thread is being addressed mainly to SOA. So, put your thinking caps on, be professional about it and have fun
Have a nice day!
|08-31-2006, 10:04 PM||#3|
Join Date: Jun 2006
5EAT Base Transmission for all Cars (*edit 9.14.06 or CVT) *edit 5.26.11 Getting there
6EAT For all Legacy/Outback Turbos and all H6's *edit 5.26.2011 6EAT or greater for all turbos and H6's. Might be wise to jump to a 7EAT or 8EAT
DSG (Direct Shift Gearbox)
Small entry level car (to compete with Yaris, Fit, Versa, etc.) *edit 5.26.11 Not necessary
McIntosh Sound Systems *edit 5.26.11 HK is fine... Forester and Impreza still need better sound systems.
Better Fuel Economy *edit 5.26.11 Great job here
Hybrid *edit 9.14.06 needs to be unique model or have unique design cues over non Hybrid model
Longer Wheelbases, Shorter overhangs *edit 5.26.11 Great job Here.
Sexy, Eyecatching styling *edit 05.26.2011 Still needs work
Unique, Quality interiors *edit 05.26.2011 still needs work
Optional Front Limited Slip Differential
Auto On headlights
One Touch Up and Down for all windows
Longer Basic Warranty
Intergrated Key fob
Telescoping steering wheels *edit 5.26.11 Getting there.
Automatic door locking
Side Curtain airbags standard on all models
Rear seats that move forwards and backwards and flip up
Memory seats on more models
Better Paint and More Color choices
Better, More supportive Seats
Bluetooth *5.26.11 Make it standard and well integrated. Make it capable retrieving contact lists from phones.
Give Spec.B more power than Legacy GT Limited
Optional Xenon headlights
Better brake feel and stopping distance
Less body roll
Larger, roomier Tribeca and Forester
Larger gas tanks
Higher towing capacity
More models with Navigation
Better Navigation system (*edit 9.22.2006 Touchscreen + Voice Recognition + Real Time Traffic) *edit 5.26.11 HDD or Flash based systems instead of DVD.
Aux In for base models
Rear reflectors in lower bumper
Reclining rear seats on Forester
More Power in turbo models *edit 5.26.11 especially in the STI and Legacy GT
Coupe (especially on Impreza... possibly on the Legacy...)
VDC Available on more models
*edit 9.5.06 Rain Sensing Wipers
*edit 9.5.06 Larger glovebox for the Tribeca
*edit 9.5.06 Steering wheel mounted controls navigate through presets
*edit 9.5.06 Fold Down rear seats on everything.
*edit 9.14.06 Full iPod integration. GM-Dodge/Chrysler-Ford have it, Nissan-Honda-Scion-Mazda have it, Acura-Infiniti-Audi-BMW-Mercedes have it, Volvo-Volkswagen have it. Time to get with the program
*edit 9.14.06 H6 Turbo or Twin Turbo
*edit 9.14.06 Dedicated sports car w/ sexy, desirable styling (possible convertible?)
*edit 9.14.06 SI drive for 3.6L H6 Tribeca Include modes for Fuel economy engine mapping on Regular gasoline and a mode for aggressive engine mapping for Performance on Premium gasoline(270-300hp, 270-300 lbs/ft torque). Publish the HP/Torque gains from running in "performance mode" vs. "economy mode".
Rav4 makes 269hp 246 lbs/ft torque; New MDX makes 300hp 275 lbs/ft torque; RX350 makes 270hp 251 lbs/ft torque; FX35 makes 280hp 270 lbs/ft torque; Ford Edge makes 265hp 250 lbs/ft torque;
*edit 9.20.06 Rear air vents available on all car lines.
*edit 9.20.06 Puddle lights available on all models (or atleast Tribeca, Forester, Outback...Could be a Subaru recognizable trait)
*edit 9.22.06 Dual Moonroof or Larger moonroof on Non DVD Model Tribecas
*edit 10.13.06 The new grilles (Outback style) look like Chrysler grilles. (Blue symbol placed in the middle of a chrome band set in a crosshatch grille.) Maybe putting the badge on the hood(like BMW) would give more of an upscale look and less of a Chrysler look.
*edit 10.26.2006 Higher Resolution Photos on Subaru.com
*edit 10.26.2006 Update Subaru.com in a timely fashion.(The AWD Ford Fusion was just released today. I was able to go to Ford's site and build one, and compare it with a full website functionality.)
*edit 11.16.2006 Larger Side Mirrors for the Tribeca
*edit 11.16.2006 Retained Memory for heated seat setting in the Tribeca.
*edit 11.21.2006 Side Curtain Airbags that protect the 3rd row occupants in the 7 Passenger Tribeca.
*edit 12.11.2006 Retained Power after key is removed
*edit 12.11.2006 Higher towing capacity for Tribeca (over 5000 lbs)
Pay attention to what the competition is doing and design products to be ahead of the competition. Do not match your next generation vehicles to what is currently on the market. By the time your product comes out... the competition is already on to the next thing. Subaru has been behind the technology curve...the lack of tech is turning away customers. Quit Playing Catch UP!!!!
*edit 5.26.11 Competitive and well integrated Infotainment
*edit 5.26.11 Keep up with the features offered by the competition.
*edit 5.26.11 More fuel efficient turbo models
*edit 5.26.11 Reduce the dimensions and weight of the WRX and STI.
*edit 5.26.11 Increase the HP and fuel economy of the H6
*edit 5.26.11 Replace all 5MT's with 6MT's
*edit 5.26.11 Consider refreshing the Symmetrical AWD systems and include torque vectoring
*edit 5.26.11 Advanced Keyless entry w/ or w/o push button start[color="Gray"]
*edit 5.26.11 Blind spot detection systems
*edit 5.26.11 Revamped stowable crossbars on Outback to accommodate wider spread.
*edit 5.26.11 Height adjustable passenger seat for Forester
*edit 5.26.11 Dual exhaust for 2.5i Limited Legacy Sedans.
*edit 5.26.11 Side blinker mirrors for all H6's, Turbos, and limited trim Subarus.
*edit 5.26.11 Stay away from FWD
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|08-31-2006, 10:57 PM||#4|
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Ellicott City, MD, USAVehicle:
'09 WRX Prem 5-dr
More refined Imprezas!
• Less road and tire noise
• More power outlets
• Softer center front armrest
• 6-speed & 6EAT for WRX
• 5EAT for lessor Imprezas
• More rear leg room
• Quieter open moonroof
• NAV option
• Digital gear readout in tach for manual trannys.
|05-27-2011, 03:55 PM||#5|
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Bay Area, CA
WOW...the above mentioned items are hard to get on high end luxury cars and we're asking SUbaru to put them on a sports car? first, I haven't yet come across an auto-manufacturer that has ALL windows auto up and down unless it's a coupe, the HDD based Navi systems are still new and being test marketed which is why it's been limited to high end brands and some Hondas. As for Hybrids...they're the new IN thing but in no way should Subaru jump on that bandwagon. Many people are becoming saavy to the real life fact that Hybrids do not in fact pay for themselves...in fact they did a study that if you were to buy a base model Prius MSRP'd at 24K+, not including dealer markup it would take at least 10 years to recoup the cost than if you were to just buy a regular Corolla. Blind spot detection...are you serious? If you wanted that in a Benz, BMW, Acura or any other luxury model, do you realize how much MORE you would have to spend?
I don't know about any of you but all the advancements as it is have raised the price of my beloved STI from 24K to well over $30K in a short time period and sure having all the aforementioned options would be GREAT...but I would rather NOT have them and buy a Subie as opposed to paying $50K+ for one! Same reason Honda doesn't used a RWD based AWD setup like Toyota, or all these other features Hyundai and Kia have been putting into their cars to attract buyers. Bottom line the ONLY thing I want Subaru to start putting in the USDM models is the same thing they are offering the EDM and JDM STIs...Push Button Start
|05-27-2011, 04:27 PM||#6|
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Mahwah, New JerseyVehicle:
2013 BRZ Ltd 6MT CBS
|05-27-2011, 06:33 PM||#7|
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Shrewsbury, MAVehicle:
'15 Legacy 3.6R
10 Subarus...and counting
|07-14-2011, 04:11 PM||#8|
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Flemington, NJVehicle:
2005 Dodge Neon SRT4
|08-31-2006, 11:00 PM||#9|
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Anchorage, AlaskaVehicle:
AKLGT's Living Accessory
Less understeer on the STI's stock. It bugs me to to hear them say how much understeer their is compared to an Evo. Suspension can always be adjusted. But you catch my point.
|08-31-2006, 11:07 PM||#10|
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Neenah, WIVehicle:
2005 Legacy GT Sedan
I believe there are a few areas that Subaru can benefit, one is the small city-car class, which includes the Yaris, Fit, and similar models. It would have to be hip, maneuverable, and similar in proportion to these, while well contented as these others are. This class of smaller efficient cars may take off, a vehicle would need to be in this class that is quickly growing in popularity, especially for the younger age group including college kids. Perhaps the rumored joint venture with Toyota on a small model is driving at this market.
In the performance market, I believe there is a position awaiting to be filled. As you can see below, strictly within the Subaru market, you can have performance or features and quality, but not truly the best of both.
I believe the Spec B falls short of the pinnacle machine. It lacks the ultimate power delivery, braking capability, and the pull around corners that the Impreza STI has. It does however offer superior levels of refinement in materials, NVH, and suspension dynamics as well as features. A Legacy STI resides in a little-touched class, one that offers the performance and near quality levels of BMW M and Audi S/RS models, but at about 2/3 the price, while featuring a more reliable, efficient, and lighter package; it is something the average person may actually be able to attain in the $35-37k ballpark. I believe that although Mazda has been present in this market and Acura is apparently entering this market with their next TSX model due for 2008 with a turbo 4-cylinder, Subaru could easily complete execution and blow the doors off everything in this market and wake up a lot of much higher esteemed cars. Much of the engineering work already appears to be completed with the large parts bin available. Take advantage of the SI-drive and it's multi-personality capabilities to be able to incur better safety margins and economy for Intelligent mode, while able to shift greater than 50% of power to the aft in favor of a more nimble vehicle. Much capabilities lie withing the system.
Technology and efficiency are also becoming much more hotbed topics and especially with AWD as a standard feature on all models,efficiency is a hot topic. I believe it may be crucial to Subaru's success to adopt a more fuel-efficient strategy including but not limited to:
-Direct injection and the capability to run both premium and E85 on higher compression (dynamic and static) engines for greater efficiency, E85 is less efficient on lower compression motors thus I suggest it to be used as dual-fuels for premium-based engines where less efficiency losses are likely to be seen
-Utilizing hybrid technologies much based on capacitor systems to aid in acceleration and city driving where the greatest amount of energy is used, while also being safer for safety and emergency personnel as it is able to quickly discharge perhaps in the case of an airbag deployment or detected crash.
These are just a few of the areas I believe Subaru could benefit. Aiding to efficiency increases, I would be very interested in seeing new technologies and materials that aid in reducing vehicle weight, cost, and complexity while retaining the safety margins.
I believe the Legacy could gain up to 2" in overall length, though it would be nice to see the axles moved closer to the ends, as this does increase departure and approach angles, though the slope angles in the center will decrease. Finding ways to better utilize internal space is important as there appears to be quite a few complaints in the rear legroom area.
Thank you Subaru for allowing us to voice our input. I understand we won't be able to succeed and get special and more performance models until you are able to achieve your goals.
|08-31-2006, 11:14 PM||#11|
*** Banned ***
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Connecticut, USAVehicle:
02 WRX Sedan
For the 2008 Legacy, please give us:
Telescoping steering column for all models
Keyless ignition for all models
18" wheels for the GT and 3.0R
Steering wheel paddle shifters for the automatic GT and 3.0R like in Japan
Choice of XM or Sirius satellite radio
For the 2008 Forester:
Please bring over the turbo Cross Sports. The one without the cross bars, leather, power seats, cold weather package, fogs, etc.. Oh, and please offer it with VDC, at least in the auto version.
For the 2008 Impreza STI:
Please give us a 5-door and make those expensive BBS wheels optional. And how about a double wishbone rear suspension instead of the clunky one we get now?
For the 2008 Impreza and WRX:
Please give us the Navigation system option (and don't make us buy an automatic to get it).
For the 2008 Tribeca:
Please give us a bigger displacement 6-cyl (3.6L would be good) that can run on regular gas.
Last edited by Jon [in CT]; 08-31-2006 at 11:20 PM.
|09-01-2006, 01:13 AM||#12|
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Everett, WAVehicle:
2006 Legacy SE Sedan
2006 Pilot EX-L 4WD
Broader lineup - more models. You've got a loyal customer base, so give us something to buy.
R1e, R1e, R1e... ASAP, and just sell it at urban dealerships with a hip marketing campaign. You've got the "granola" green consumers, make the growing urban "green" crowd love you even more.
Be daring. Congrats for trying the airplane grille - worked on everything but B9 Tribeca.
Thanks for your impressive efforts for safety - people are starting to take notice. Continue your progress.
Panoramic moonroof in B9 Tribeca.
Use the B11S's panoramic pop-up roof somewhere - how cool!
Full-size minivan or bigger B9 Tribeca - something five or six people can take a vacation in.
Follow through on some concepts - B11S and B9 Scramber would've been wonderful with a few minor tweaks.
B9 Tribeca-based sedan.
Manual transmissions in turbo Legacy wagons.
More differentiation between models.
Minimum 5EAT and disable-able VDC throughout.
Spanish navigation option (if that hasn't been fixed yet).
WOW won't impress audio aficionados - partner with a high-end name (McIntosh? Toyota's JBL partnership?)
Last edited by keepclam; 09-01-2006 at 01:22 AM.
|09-01-2006, 01:32 AM||#13|
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Truckee, CAVehicle:
16 Colorado Duramax comin
-Will second the request for the R1, R2, Stella place in the lineup to be filled, and agree that it needs a 'chic' marketing approach (i.e. Scion).
-Please use regular red and amber taillights, make chrome-base "altezza"-style lamps options.
-Manual transmission in Legagy 2.5GT wagon models. Would have bought one, but no manual pushed me toward 2.5i and we bought it.
-Please bring Forester Cross-sport to US along with Forester STi. I will purchase the more powerful of the lineup (now XT) in model year 2009, preferably FSTi.
-Please restore a green paint color similar to the Acadia Green that was used on the 1998 Impreza 2.5RS (US) to the Impreza/Forester lineup. The paint color options are too narrow. The existing colors have not seen any change or expanding in quite some time. A yellow such as Sonic Yellow or Blaze Yellow would also likely go over well.
|09-01-2006, 01:32 AM||#14|
Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: Bay AreaVehicle:
00 2.5RS Coupe
01 black boxster hardtop
I'll buy them both.
Subaru really needs more color options. I've heard this from numerous people shopping for vehicles -one of whom did pick up a Tribeca.
DARK grey colors.
Midnight Blue Color additon
Bring back a dark green
Bring the McIntosh offerings to the states.
|09-04-2006, 06:08 PM||#16|
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Waterford, NYVehicle:
2004 BAJA Turbo
Frost Pearl White
Ditto on BAJA...
Offer up a H-6, 6-speed manual, maybe a regular bench seat in the back for 5 passengers in a pinch. full weather proof tonneau cover, up the towing ability, add heated mirrors, and you have a customer!
Also offer an STi version, somewhere in the 275 HP area, with manual tranny option, as well as the sport shift tranny.
And IF you do build this vehicle, please, please, please, promote the dickens out of it! I love my BAJA, and would really like to see it continued in some form.
Thanks for listening.
|09-20-2009, 11:11 PM||#17|
Join Date: Oct 2005
2001 IS 300
|09-01-2006, 09:09 AM||#18|
RIP 1/19/64 - 7/23/11
Join Date: Sep 2002
1957 Taggart Comet
Another vote to bring back the MT LGT wagon. My next car may not be a Subaru because this model is no longer available.
Related to the above, don't make performance models like the STI and Spec-B sedan-only. I need a wagon for practicality so I will never buy these cars unless they come as a wagon (folding rear seats are nice but not enough).
Also, another vote for more fuel-efficiency. Diesel Outback and/or Forester would be huge hits with the outdoorsy crowd. I have less enthusiasm for hybrids; they work best as city cars and a nonhybrid FWD minicar would probably compete better in that market than a hybrid AWD Impreza.
Brighter colors would be nice--yellow again or at least a brighter red.
I would NOT want a car with "One Touch Up and Down for all windows." Its a safety hazard for kids.
|09-02-2006, 12:54 PM||#20|
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: North AmericaVehicle:
2005 ForesterSG Classic
Build this car and make us all proud!
C'est absolument magnificient et très chic .
|09-02-2006, 11:18 PM||#21|
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Truckee, CAVehicle:
16 Colorado Duramax comin
|09-02-2006, 11:33 PM||#22|
Join Date: Nov 2004
For the Impreza and WRX.
Better brake feel. No more two step feel to the pedal. Make it one smooth motion with no lag in action.
Less or no understeer. The push can be annoying and unnerving.
Driving lights not fog lights.
Tie down points in the trunk.
|09-02-2006, 11:36 PM||#23|
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Atlanta, GA, USAVehicle:
2007 Tribeca Limited
05 LGT (98 LGT, 88 Justy)
The P2 is based on the R1 chassis with the STI drivetrain stuffed in. It's also a two-seater. We know it will never see production as-is.
We just want that look, that styling, to be put on the Impreza by Subaru.
I am DEFINITELY liking the look of this STI, though I'd rather have a true Legacy STI than one just tuned by STI.
Stuff a turbo H6 in there and I'll be standing in line!
|09-05-2006, 04:09 PM||#24|
Join Date: Feb 2004
2013 GR LTD & 03 GD
SWP / PSM
The drive system seems similar to the I-drive setup for the Legacy... now doesn't it... I hope that makes it's way to the rest of the line-up I really like that feature...
Last edited by BigElm; 09-05-2006 at 06:15 PM.
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