Welcome to the North American Subaru Impreza Owners Club Thursday September 18, 2014
Home Forums WikiNASIOC Products Store Modifications Upgrade Garage
Click here to visit TireRack
Tire & Wheel Forum sponsored by The Tire Rack

Losing traction? Need new tires?
Click here to visit the NASIOC Upgrade Garage...
Here you can view your subscribed threads, work with private messages and edit your profile and preferences Home Registration is free! Visit the NASIOC Store NASIOC Rules Search Find other members Frequently Asked Questions Calendar Archive NASIOC Upgrade Garage Logout
Go Back   NASIOC > NASIOC Technical > Tire & Wheel

Welcome to NASIOC - The world's largest online community for Subaru enthusiasts!
Welcome to the NASIOC.com Subaru forum.

You are currently viewing our forum as a guest, which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our community, free of charge, you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is free, fast and simple, so please join our community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact us.
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads.
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 12-12-2006, 04:46 AM   #1
dtseng01
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 105323
Join Date: Jan 2006
Chapter/Region: SCIC
Location: Monterey Park, California
Vehicle:
2005 Impreza WRX STi
Aspen White

Default RE070 in winter? a really specific question!

Okay, so my friends an I have planned a trip for Mammoth Mountain, for those of you west coasters. Now, I'm planning to drive up with my stock RE070's this Sunday, and there are different forecasts for the area, some saying it will snow while others say it's sunny out. My tires aren't brand new, they probably have a good 50% or less tread left. I know that RE070's can't handle snow and winter weather, but I don't think that the road up to Mammoth will be pummeled in snow. Anyways here's my concern and question:

Will my tires be able to handle the road up to the mountain? (this question is kind of specifically directed toward those who have first hand experience) Snow or no snow, the weather should be pretty cold so will the rubber harden enough for me to lose a lot of grip?

Also, if I put on chains, will it solve the problem? What I mean is that, if the answer to the question above is a no, then will chains fix anything?

This is my first time driving my STi up to Mammoth so I just want to make sure everything will be okay and I will not be running into other cars and yadda yadda.

Thank you for your time!

-David
dtseng01 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-12-2006, 05:17 AM   #2
karpiel666
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 125832
Join Date: Sep 2006
Chapter/Region: RMIC
Location: mountains
Vehicle:
1985 323i
white

Default

The roads to and around resorts are pretty much always plowed and gritted, and I dont think it would be cold enough for any of the rubbers properties to change drasticly. I think as long as you dont plan on racing around it should be fine.
karpiel666 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-12-2006, 05:19 AM   #3
Zornorph
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 17332
Join Date: Apr 2002
Chapter/Region: NESIC
Location: The neighbor's yard
Vehicle:
2004 Black STI
Not stock anymore

Default

just remember - if there is the slightest accumulation of snow, you will likely crash.
I can't imagine chains being able to be used on an sti.
Zornorph is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-12-2006, 05:35 AM   #4
WRX06TR
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 123469
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Spokane, WA
Vehicle:
2005 STi
PSM

Default

not a good idea. I drove past mammoth last month and there were snow flurries. I think that you are goin to be in serious trouble if you drive up on your RE070's. Also keep in mind that you cant run chains on your tires. It says so in your manual that there are clearance issues. Just letting you know. Wouldnt want you to do any damage to your car.
WRX06TR is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 12-12-2006, 05:38 AM   #5
DiscoWagon
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 84516
Join Date: Apr 2005
Chapter/Region: SCIC
Location: Diamond Bar/San Diego
Vehicle:
'12 Tony Kart EVRR
'99 E36 M3 Estoril Blue

Default

better safe than sorry. mother nature is very unpredictable.
DiscoWagon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-12-2006, 05:53 AM   #6
02redwagone
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 87067
Join Date: May 2005
Chapter/Region: AKIC
Location: Oregon Coast/AK
Vehicle:
02 Old but tasty
SRP

Default

Just think of how stupid you would feel if something went wrong. You would be right too.
02redwagone is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-12-2006, 06:23 AM   #7
nhmtns
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 94283
Join Date: Aug 2005
Chapter/Region: NESIC
Location: Mt. Washington Valley, NH
Vehicle:
'05 OBXT Stage 2
Min bil är svart

Default

When I lived in CA near Yosemite in 1996, I had to put chains on a FWD car a few times. There were check points and the cops made you turn around if you didn't have chains, AWD, or FWD. The chains came loose one time on one wheel while driving at around 30-40 mph and thrashed the hell out of the fender.

Anyway, I don't know that you want to mess around with chains. They're not horrible to deal with, but any other option is better IMO.
nhmtns is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-12-2006, 12:58 PM   #8
JCity
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 131845
Join Date: Nov 2006
Chapter/Region: NWIC
Location: Washington
Vehicle:
1994 Acura Integra
R-81

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by DiscoWagon View Post
better safe than sorry. mother nature is very unpredictable.
yeah bro, i'm in the same boat as the op right now i'm going up to one of the local mountains this weekend but i'm running falken ziexus (sp?) w/ like 50% or left treadlife as well ... i'm looking into other tires right now !

sucks i can't run winter tires cause i'm too low
JCity is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-12-2006, 03:10 PM   #9
nate.the.great
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 72031
Join Date: Oct 2004
Chapter/Region: Tri-State
Location: poor grammar fuels my anger
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by JCity View Post
sucks i can't run winter tires cause i'm too low
um you can run winter tires. get the right size and you'll be fine.
nate.the.great is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-12-2006, 03:24 PM   #10
TurbojonLS
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 38772
Join Date: Jun 2003
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Location: NOVA
Vehicle:
2 Cars, No Bling

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by JCity View Post
sucks i can't run winter tires cause i'm too low
You have tires on your car now and they fit, correct? Buy winter tires in the same size.
TurbojonLS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-12-2006, 06:53 AM   #11
kevinsUBARU
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 2263
Join Date: Sep 2000
Chapter/Region: Tri-State
Location: Funky Kingston, NY
Vehicle:
2012 Impreza Sport

Default

If it's cold enough to snow, the RE070 handling and grip characteristics ARE altered. Now add some snow and ice into the mix, and you have an STi on the rocks.
kevinsUBARU is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-12-2006, 09:19 AM   #12
Howl
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 57830
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Ontario CA
Vehicle:
1999 OBS

Default

What if it starts snowing when you're at the top. The problem isn't getting stuck in the snow, it's being able to stop and corner once you get moving. You're going to be coming down at 20mph in first gear, riding the brakes and there's the possiblility your still going to understeer right off a slippery corner (while the Civic with snow tires toots his horn and waves on the way past).
Howl is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-12-2006, 10:16 AM   #13
Luke@tirerack
Tire Rack Moderator
 
Member#: 1215
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: The Tire Rack
Vehicle:
800 -428-8355
ext. 4362

Default

rent a car
Luke@tirerack is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-12-2006, 10:20 AM   #14
DiscoGsus
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 47646
Join Date: Nov 2003
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Location: NoVa
Vehicle:
0211 RallyWagon
DGM Sedan

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Luke@tirerack View Post
rent a car
ding!
Or go with friends.
DiscoGsus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-12-2006, 11:20 AM   #15
Howl
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 57830
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Ontario CA
Vehicle:
1999 OBS

Default

What you guys in S.Cal. and AZ should do is get together in small groups and purchase a good set of winter tires and durable rims that you can share, or someone buy a set and rent them out. As long as you don't all want to go to the mountains at the same time.
Howl is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-12-2006, 11:56 AM   #16
SpeedR
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 95401
Join Date: Sep 2005
Vehicle:
MKIV STI
S4 951

Default

wow you people must suck at driving.

I would do it no problem, just take it EZ and go slow.

I have had my RE070 on snow many times. they dont turn well but they can get grip with the STI AWD.

don't put chains on your STI.
SpeedR is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-12-2006, 12:19 PM   #17
flycaster
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 60142
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Bend, OR
Vehicle:
2011 WRX
Grey

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by SpeedR View Post
wow you people must suck at driving...I would do it no problem...
Typical internet bravado.

I live in snow for 4 months out of the year, been driving a looong time, and can honestly say the 070's are the worst tires I've ever been on in snow and ice, period; the only thing that offers perhaps less grip is a dry racing slick on a road course as rain begins to fall - been there, done that too. In fact, we had the first hard ice a little early this winter and I had to go a morning meeting before I had time to throw my winter tires on - the car couldn't even make it up our slanted driveway, with the DCCD at full lock.

Here's the bit: if the roads are dry and clear, just take it easy since the 070 compound doesn't develop good grip at temps below 40 degrees. OTOH, if the roads are not clear, just take another car with better tires.

Last edited by flycaster; 12-12-2006 at 05:54 PM.
flycaster is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-14-2006, 03:43 AM   #18
moss
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 10197
Join Date: Sep 2001
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Location: Gtown, MD
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by SpeedR View Post
wow you people must suck at driving.

I would do it no problem, just take it EZ and go slow.

I have had my RE070 on snow many times. they dont turn well but they can get grip with the STI AWD.

don't put chains on your STI.


You sir...well nevermind its not worth my time


Bottom line... RE070s + snow or temperatures below 40 = issues.

Either spend the $400 and protect your $30k investment, or go up with someone else.

$400 vs $30k should be a no brainer.
moss is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-14-2006, 10:35 AM   #19
v8killer2pt5
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 62275
Join Date: May 2004
Location: New York
Vehicle:
2004 Sti
Blue

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by SpeedR View Post
wow you people must suck at driving.

I would do it no problem, just take it EZ and go slow.

I have had my RE070 on snow many times. they dont turn well but they can get grip with the STI AWD.

don't put chains on your STI.


You have lost your mind I have been driving for plenty of years and the Sti with oem rubber is slipper than ski's. I repeat do not attempt to drive in any type of snowy conditions with these tires, your braking and handling are useless even with AWD. Swap the wheels out for winter setup or rent a car or go with friends!
v8killer2pt5 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-12-2006, 01:12 PM   #20
dtseng01
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 105323
Join Date: Jan 2006
Chapter/Region: SCIC
Location: Monterey Park, California
Vehicle:
2005 Impreza WRX STi
Aspen White

Default

Alright, I'm convinced. Thanks everyone for your advise!! Really appreciate everything.
dtseng01 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-12-2006, 01:21 PM   #21
Fogrider
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 45806
Join Date: Oct 2003
Chapter/Region: NESIC
Location: Bedford, NH
Vehicle:
'04 STI WRB
'95 GC8 Rally car, white

Thumbs up

1) take money you would otherwise spend on car rental or bodywork repair to your vehicle
2) invest in good winter tires (rims if you can afford it)
3) enjoy your car in the snow
Have a great time on the mountain! Be safe, man.
Fogrider is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-12-2006, 02:15 PM   #22
OneManArmy
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 36154
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Santa Cruz County
Vehicle:
2004 WRX Wagon
White

Default

I wouldn't do it.

I'm one of the only people I know that's actually had the tires in the snow. They suck. They tell you not to do it....don't do it. Braking is deadly with them and corning is sketchy. It's fun if you want to go out drifting or do some donuts though.

Seriously...get some all season tires or borrow some if you have too. Either that or rent a car.
OneManArmy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-12-2006, 02:42 PM   #23
bWRX
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 6672
Join Date: May 2001
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Location: murland
Default

Do not cheat yourself of the fun that is driving in the snow on snow tires. It might be half the fun of the trip! That, or you can drive up and down white-knuckled, worrying about smashing your car up.
bWRX is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-12-2006, 09:35 PM   #24
Flynlow151
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 77870
Join Date: Dec 2004
Chapter/Region: NWIC
Location: Fort Collins,Co & Issaquah,Wa
Vehicle:
2004 Subaru STI
TheBoostCreep Stage II

Default

DONT USE THE STOCKERS IN SNOW!! Take a good look at the tire, basically a slick tire with a few grooves in it for wet roads. You will have no grip with them in snow. Trust me, spend the money on a rental or snow tires instead of a collision deductable. I thought the same three years ago when I attempted to drive to Firestone to get the Blizzacks put on 5 miles away. I thought, AWD, why not? Well the first curb I bounced off of changed my mind quite quickly. Lucky though, could have been another car or worse I slid into. And I never got above 20 mph. They suck in anything but dry.
Flynlow151 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-13-2006, 01:52 PM   #25
wizzman
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 84405
Join Date: Apr 2005
Chapter/Region: NESIC
Location: Wilmington, MA
Vehicle:
2007 V8 4Runner
1994 flaming red Miata

Default

Forget snow, don't use re070s in cold weather!!! The rubber compoound becomes very hard and the level of grip goes WAY down. This reduces your braking ablity and your lateral grip significantly makin the car very unsafe. If you are too cheap to pick up some winter tires or at least all seasons for the cold weather, you shouldn't be in an STi in the first place.
wizzman is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
KYB and H&R on a MY00 in winter are really stiff.!? jsbush Legacy Forum 3 12-04-2008 02:40 PM
DCCD setting in winter.. specifically 50:50 Lock volkl23 Transmission (AT/MT) & Driveline 16 12-10-2005 05:47 PM
A really, really, really stupid question. MrDestructo Off-Topic 6 10-01-2005 06:18 AM
Winter tires- really needed in MD? lucien2 Mid Atlantic Impreza Club -- MAIC 20 04-23-2004 12:48 AM
are Winter tires really needed for PA? Miracle Worker Mid Atlantic Impreza Club -- MAIC 2 11-28-2000 12:20 AM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 07:30 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Powered by Searchlight © 2014 Axivo Inc.
Copyright ©1999 - 2014, North American Subaru Impreza Owners Club, Inc.