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Old 12-19-2001, 11:44 PM   #1
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Default Postpone WRX purchase ?

With so many warranty problems that SOA and dealers won't or can't address, (ABS, deccelaration noise, drivers window, clutch shudder) should I be waiting a year or two for Subaru to resolve these issues? Both our cars run great, and I don't really want to spend a lot of time attempting to fix a new one.
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Old 12-20-2001, 12:37 AM   #2
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Buy it now!

1) ABS - I'm not 100% convinced this is a legit problem yet. I've put over 10,000 miles on (at least 10 different) WRXs on bad roads, good roads, dirt roads, racetracks and I have had it happen once (when I was trying to provoke it, over a speed bump). It certainly is either perhaps a tuning issue or an ABS "feature".

2) decelaration noise - turn the stereo up while you wait for the tranny to break, then see your dealer and hope they haven't got the "memo" yet.

3) drivers window - not a terribly common problem

4) clutch shudder - doesn't affect all cars

However, the power steering problem is pretty common. On my new car, I snugged the lines down myself.

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Old 12-20-2001, 08:31 AM   #3
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Thumbs down I dunno....

A brake failure is a very serious problem. And it seems like a lot of annoyed WRX drivers can't shift into first or reverse properly, amongst other tranny problems.

Our X-Country appeared on Consumer Reports 'not recommended' list because of failing power window switches and turn signals, but at least Volvo replaced them with better parts, no hassle. I bet the WRX is on that list next year.

Is it only the WRX having all these problems or is the RS shaky also? If Honda or Toyota had an awd sedan, even w/o a turbo, I'd buy it in a flash.
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Old 12-20-2001, 10:30 AM   #4
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I would buy it now.
If something goes wrong take all the necessary steps and it will get taken care of.
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Old 12-20-2001, 10:29 AM   #5
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A brake failure is a very serious problem.
When I was able to produce it, I wouldn't describe it as a failure.

However, I'd agree that any issue with brakes is potentially serious.

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Old 12-20-2001, 01:00 PM   #6
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...and take the opportunity to put better aftermarket/STi parts when something breaks...

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Old 12-21-2001, 03:50 AM   #7
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Why wait for that!!?? Just put em on now!
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Old 12-21-2001, 08:19 AM   #8
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Glenn,
I was hinting at changing the clutch/flywheel... If your dealer is nice enough, he'll let you put upgraded clutch/flywheel while he's checking the pressure plate problem...

I'm installing SS line today... don't want to wait until they break!!

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Old 12-21-2001, 05:51 PM   #9
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Default Re: Postpone WRX purchase ?

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Originally posted by codger
With so many warranty problems that SOA and dealers won't or can't address, (ABS, deccelaration noise, drivers window, clutch shudder) should I be waiting a year or two for Subaru to resolve these issues? Both our cars run great, and I don't really want to spend a lot of time attempting to fix a new one.
I agree and will be telling my brother the same when he gets ready to buy the new family run around car in the spring. I think I'll keep my subie untill the 25th GTI comes out with 4-motion if it ever does come with it.
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Old 12-21-2001, 11:49 PM   #10
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If something goes wrong take all the necessary steps and it will get taken care of
It seems, from reading some of the other threads, that several of these problems are NOT being taken care of. In any case, I don't wish to spend any time at some shop, whether for mods or repeated warranty repair attempts.

A poll in this forum indicated only 38% of some 154 WRX owners experienced no problems at all. And this for a 2002 model. How many of these 38% will yet encounter or develop a brake failure, transmission problem, or some new issue that only arises after 50,000 miles? I can wait til Consumer Reports has evaluated the 2002 and 2003 MY. By then Honda or Toyota will have a competing awd product. Or a used 2002 Audi S4 might be OK.
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Old 12-21-2001, 11:53 PM   #11
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All cars have issues. Check out the BMW, Corvette or Viper forums. They all can scare the hell out of you. My Vette was bought with my full knowledge of all kinds of problems, many more than the WRX. Turns out only the rocking seat turned up in my vehicle. Easily fixed. Sometimes these issues get blown out of proportion on forums as we tend to be very vocal about our problems. Subies has a history of reliability and in the end SOA should do what ever is necessary to keep up that history cause IT SELLS cars. Wanna buy a Z06 for 50,000 dollars and then need new rings or buy a Porche and then burn 1 quart ever 500 miles....i
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Old 12-22-2001, 10:07 AM   #12
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All cars have issues. Check out the BMW, Corvette or Viper forums. They all can scare the hell out of you. My Vette was bought with my full knowledge of all kinds of problems, many more than the WRX. Turns out only the rocking seat turned up in my vehicle. Easily fixed. Sometimes these issues get blown out of proportion on forums as we tend to be very vocal about our problems. Subies has a history of reliability and in the end SOA should do what ever is necessary to keep up that history cause IT SELLS cars. Wanna buy a Z06 for 50,000 dollars and then need new rings or buy a Porche and then burn 1 quart ever 500 miles....i
All car models have issues, just some more than others. It's all comes down to your priorities in the tradeoff betwwen reliability, performance, safety, price, luxury etc.

Our X-Country had a few minor electrical problems, now hopefully permanently fixed (some under recall) but the combination of luxury and safety makes it worthwhile. At the time there was no competition. However, I'd still like to give Subaru a year or two to get the glitches out of the WRX.
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Old 12-23-2001, 12:39 AM   #13
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Any car will have its set of problems. Look at Ford for example in 93, 94 and 95 they put the same engine in their mustangs, thunderbird, tauras's and cougars. All of these engines blew headgaskets aroung or after 100k miles. Mustangs and Tbirds have been around since the 60's maybe even later than that.

Im not going to say to buy one or not to buy one. Just be aware that the subaru wrx isnt the only car in the world that is having problems. Remember most manufacturers buy parts from the lowest bidder which may or may not cause problems. In the case of the WRX the synchros may not have been as good as they expected and the clutch may not be as good as expected amongst many other parts. When a large number of WRX's start having the same problem they will probably recall those parts but until then if you have to pay for ANYTHING on your car be sure to save your reciept. Because if they recall something later on and you already replaced it they HAVE to issue a refund.

You also have to take into consideration that this car and every car contains thousands of moving parts I dont think it would be possible to ever manufacture something with that many parts, especially mass produce it, that would work perfectly the first time everytime.

I think every model and year of every car ever manufactured has gone through at least a half a dozen recalls before the car actually operates as it was designed.
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Old 12-23-2001, 09:25 AM   #14
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Any car will have its set of problems.

I think every model and year of every car ever manufactured has gone through at least a half a dozen recalls before the car actually operates as it was designed.
Any car will have it's set of problems, but some will have more than others. Only 38% problem free before the first year is over is too problematic for me. And I don't mind one or two recalls, but the subaru stonewalling I hear about on several threads is a real turn-off.

I guess I got spoiled driving Toyotas (83 Celica problem free for 400,000 km, 94 4x4 truck only one recall, fixed during a regular scheduled maintenance)

I can still see how that WRX price/performance is compelling for alot of us, though.
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Old 12-23-2001, 11:54 AM   #15
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Well.. if this helps any..... I love my car. I drive it hard, hard, hard every day. Cross my fingers for no problems b/c of me. I love it..
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Old 12-24-2001, 02:42 AM   #16
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Subaru sold 15,000 wrx's and there are how many wrx owners on this board?? Its not fair to use the very small amount of owners here that have had problems and declare every one a bad car. On here is a 38% nobody knows what will happen to that total if you could get a larger sample from owners. Am I still going to order my wrx this spring and take delivery in the summer with hopefully a 03?? you bet your ass i will. What new car can compete with the wrx in that price. And as for another japanese car company like honda to just toss out a awd platform in the next few years. good luck with that one. How long has subaru been using and developing there awd? I'll stick with the rex/
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Old 12-24-2001, 03:06 PM   #17
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The longer you wait the more miserable you'll be!

Of all the hi-performance cars I have owned -the wrx has been incredibly reliable. I have 5300 miles. The car was picked up end of 10/01. Minor gripe- driver's door window squeak(fixed with silicone spray). 2 oil changes.

2000 Audi S4- warped rotors x 2(had to wait for parts). Shifter repair. CD changer failure. Turbo boot failure.

1996 Infiniti I30t- abs failure, shifter.

1994 SAAB 9000 Aero- starter failure, computer failure(took a week for parts).

1992 Corvette- 1 recall(seatbelt).

1989 Porsche 911- computer.

All of these cars had their problems within the first 5000 miles of ownership(bought new). When I have compared to colleagues with BMW M3's, SAAB Viggens, C5 Vettes, Mercedes C43... it is very clear the Europeans can learn something from Subaru and Chevy.

The wrx is easily the most reliable supercar presently available. In addition, see how expensive parts and service can be once you are out of warranty- Subaru is still the winner. I say get one while you can, enjoy it, and be aware that you are reading the vast minority amongst an enormous sea of happy owners.
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