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Old 05-09-2008, 02:18 PM   #1
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my right (from the drivers seat) projector "decides" to go out sometimes. Most days its on, but then sometimes it shuts off. i have checked the wiring, it all seems right and no loose connections, is it common for the bulbs to do this before they are going out?
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Old 05-09-2008, 02:40 PM   #2
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did u use a pnp kit?

diy or did you pay someone?
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Old 05-09-2008, 03:08 PM   #3
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you have an 06 so i'm assuming you used a rebased hid kit for your h7 halogen projectors.

the intermittent failure is probably because you

a: didn't use a relay harness and the wires aren't giving the ballast enough juice to ignite the capsule(get this fixed before you start a fire in the engine bay)

b: used a relay harness but didn't properly ground the ballasts or have a faulty kit (also likely but not quite as dangerous)

if you don't have a relay take that **** out of your car before you kill yourself or others, i'm serious. wiring a ballast improperly is very dangerous. not to mention illegal.

if you do have a relay kit then it's just because you're using cheap components and they fail sometimes. since it's coming back on i'd bet it's the ballast, not the capsule.
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Old 05-09-2008, 09:23 PM   #4
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take it easy guys, i didnt wire them, i bought the car with them so i have no clue how the damn thing was wired. they have been running wired this way for at least the past 29,xxx miles because thats how many i have put on the car. however, when i bought the car, the boxes (ballast?) were stuck in the engine bay with double sided tape, so i have been suspicious of the job. if i took pictures would it help?

as a side note, last night when i was trying to get it to work, the box for the non-working headlight was barely warm, while the working one was almost too hot to touch.
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Old 05-09-2008, 09:34 PM   #5
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i'm not trying to be harsh, but if you don' know that's even worse. sounds like your ballast is fried... working for X number of miles is not any kind of assurance, if anything it's even more likely it's damaged wiring.

take them out and go back to H7 halogen lights until you can figure that out. seriously, you don't want hot electronics near your engine.
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Old 05-10-2008, 02:16 AM   #6
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how do i know what is wrong? can i use a DMM? im pretty good with wiring things, i just dont know my way around headlights yet.
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Old 05-10-2008, 04:03 AM   #7
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swap the right and left side ballast for a few days, see if the problem is still on that side... it could isolate the problem... I don't agree it's the ballast, I think it's the wiring...
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Old 05-10-2008, 04:12 AM   #8
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yeah it's the wiring but the wiring is causing the ballast to go to **** because it isn't getting the current it needs from the wiring.

but we won't really know until he changes something and honestly i'd rather be left wondering which it was than have the car explode or the hid in halogens be annoying to lots of people.
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Old 05-10-2008, 12:11 PM   #9
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so there isnt a voltage i should see across two wires, no way to test other than swapping the ballasts? is there a wiring diagram i can look at so i know what im doing when i start tearing this apart?
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Yea you should see 12v across the wires that go into the ballast, but since your problem is intermittent you might not see anything wrong with the voltage input... could be voltage drop, current problem etc etc
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Old 05-10-2008, 11:29 PM   #11
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so how easy are these things to take out and diagnose? can i just remove the HID assembly (not the headlight) to examine it?
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Old 05-11-2008, 04:09 PM   #12
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so it looks like my ballast is bad, swapped them today and found that the left ballast works on eithter headlight. the bulbs themselves say 6000k on them, so i am going to assume that is right. the wording on the ballast is as follows:

Vorschaltgerat
Xenon-licht 12V
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DOT D2S,D2R 2500h
HLO HALLW
made in germany

What is a good ballast to replace this with? or should i replace both of them? i dont know where these originally came from, and i dont know what would be comparable. would replacing the bulbs with 4300K make the ballasts last longer?
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Old 05-11-2008, 09:07 PM   #13
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if you were going to replace the ballasts, get some kickass ones.. mcculloch<sp>, matsu****a etc
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Old 05-11-2008, 09:41 PM   #14
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mcculloch are NOT kickass, they break all the time... and matsu****a probably won't work with his current bulbs and connectors.
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Old 05-11-2008, 09:51 PM   #15
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what will work? i can post pictures of the connections if it would help

edit: and if need be, i can splice in new connectors
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Old 05-11-2008, 10:02 PM   #16
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they are more than likely 9006 connectors, most kit hid kits use those. you'll need a ballast that uses the same connectors and even if we look and say "yeah it's a 9006" there's no way to tell that it will actually work with another replacement ballast unless it's the same kind.
i can also say that i'd bet good money that those are not actually made in germany.

if your edit is a statement, just be very careful that the "splices" can handle thousands of volts. if it is a quesiton... i'd recommend you don't splice on the output side of the ballasts.

most kit vendors don't care about replacing one broken ballast because they can make more money selling the cheap kits as a whole than replacing all of the ones that break... because so many of them do. please read the hid faq if you want more info on what to do.
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i did, it didnt tell me where i could get a single ballast or what brand to go with. i am not opposed to buying 2 ballasts if need be, but i would rather not buy more than the ballasts. is there a vendor i can contact here that could give me more information?
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Old 05-11-2008, 10:49 PM   #18
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it depends on the connectors, i don't know which vendors sell which types of ballasts. i think lightwerkz sells ballasts only but they may not work with your bulbs, i don't know.
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ok, heres some pictures so you can get a better idea of what im working with.





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okay what you have are simple male spade connectors from the stock harness to power the ballast(bad because they can't handle the current on capsule ignition) and single weatherproof connectors to the bulb... NOT 9006 but the same basic idea.

if you can find a ballast that uses those weatherproof connectors you can just replace the ballast but it's only going to delay the problem that these are in a system that wasn't designed for hid.

you could spend 50-150 on a new ballast or set of ballasts, or you could spend that money toward a D2S setup that would give you a wider, more even beam.

it just doesn't make sense to me why you wouldn't buy a 5 dollar H7 halogen light for that side at the very least so that you could buy good components that are at least backed by a warranty, even if they're not in correct D2s hid optics.

but if you want to wait for a ballast or set of ballasts that have those single weatherproof connectors, that's your call. it just doesn't make sense.
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i purchased the car from another owner who said these were HIDs. now if they arent, i will put the halogens back in or spring for a decent HID set, i just need to know. understand that this is my first time looking at this wiring job, and i am not familiar with how it has been set up. can you tell me what i have and what my options are? also, could someone like myself with basic soldering and crimping skills retrofit the headlights if they are not HIDs?
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they are HIDs that have been rebased for your H7 projector optics. basically you have a square peg in a round hole... a D2s HID bulb that has been glued or fitted into an H7 halogen bulb's base. this approximates the light source geometry, but because of differences in the optic characteristics there will always be an unfocused beam projected, with hotspotting usually in the middle or foreground and a sometimes dangerously large increase in glare above cutoff.

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because of the projector design, they probably don't glare *as much as* some other HID kits in other optics... but those are definitely not D2s connectors so i'm pretty sure the previous owner put HID bulbs in the stock H7 halogen projectors.

you could probably handle the retrofit though the soldering and crimping skills are not what are difficult, it's the dremel and measuring skills that it takes to make brackets for HID projectors in place of the H7 halogen projectors in there now. I have a set of TSX hid d2s projectors that i'm getting ready to retrofit into my own halogen projector lights, but i've promised myself to keep my halogen projectors halogen bulb'd until then.

honestly you'll have significantly better results if you save up for a retro, and you forego the risk of damaging the wiring(further) if you use H7 bulbs that the wiring was designed for. I just think that's a better route to go, but if not you can always buy another rebased kit and a relay harness to make sure the wiring doesn't get further damage.

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guess i will throw some H7s in there, what do i do to get the wiring back to stock? i assume that i can pull the ballasts also, i wont need them for the H7s? seems like saving for the retro is the best idea. what is the estimated total cost of a retrofit with the TSX projectors? can you give me the total for parts and the total for labor seperately?
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well that's just the problem, the wiring is stock... it's probably fine but you can't hurt it by returning it to running 55w halogen bulbs... you can hurt it by running ballasts off it. HID ballasts run a short but intense jolt of thousands of watts to the capsules to ignite them on start-up, and they pull a massive load through the wiring to do this. it only lasts a few milliseconds, so while the stock wiring will get superheated and weakened by this, it's not known to cause an engine fire every time. i am positive that it has melted wires before though, i've seen pictures of it.

parts and costs depend... i got my projectors for 50 dollars without glass(which i have and may upgrade), but i still don't have a d2s hid setup... so if you get a new d2s kit that can be 150-200, then the projectors which can be 100-200, a relay harness which can cost 40 in parts or 60-100 premade, and then the labor which doesn't need to cost you anything beyond materials(a few nuts and bolts and a dremel for the projector fitting, and solder and shrink wrap for the harness). it can add up quick...

a vendor on here, lightwerkz, does the whole thing and charges a good fee, and also backs EVERYTHING up with a warranty, even the ballasts and bulbs; check him out by searching his name or going to his site, www.lightwerkz.net
but be prepared because pricing is competitive but professional-grade.
a lot of people pay that for the best results and the peace of mind of having it backed against any problems, but it really comes down to what you're looking for lighting wise and what your time is worth. i've made my own relay harness, and it was awesome but took me quite a few hours and nights.

honestly I think it's worth it to spend the money on the system that is designed to accept the lightsource and give the proper output... if that means staying with halogen... well i can see just fine with halogen, at least until i can afford the real deal HID optics.

anyway good luck and i hope things work out for the best. you might be just fine for years to come with another ballast and no relay, but then again you could melt your stock wiring next week... i wouldn't want to give you ill advice. i think it's worth the peace of mind to just run stock h7 halogen until you can do it right.
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all the wires coming out of the projector go to the ballast. do i need to hook anything else up to run the stock H7s?

edit: just checked out the lightwerkz sight, and having the 06 head lamps, $660 for S2000 HIDs sounds pretty good, 475 for TSX HIDs sounds good too. is there a benefit to running the S2000 projector over the TSX projector?
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