Welcome to the North American Subaru Impreza Owners Club Thursday September 3, 2015
Home Forums WikiNASIOC Products Store Modifications Upgrade Garage
NASIOC
Here you can view your subscribed threads, work with private messages and edit your profile and preferences Home Registration is free! Visit the NASIOC Store NASIOC Rules Search Find other members Frequently Asked Questions Calendar Archive NASIOC Upgrade Garage Logout
Go Back   NASIOC > NASIOC General > Proven Power Bragging

Welcome to NASIOC - The world's largest online community for Subaru enthusiasts!
Welcome to the NASIOC.com Subaru forum.

You are currently viewing our forum as a guest, which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our community, free of charge, you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is free, fast and simple, so please join our community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact us.
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads.
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 11-28-2008, 09:33 PM   #1
1000AWHP
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 195881
Join Date: Nov 2008
Default "Easiest" way to make 500whp...

Hello everyone! I have a 2004 STi...I was thinkin bout going with an FP Red turbo. What do u guys think? My goal is 450-500! I called Forced Performance and they said it can be done with just basic mods...Does that sound right??
FP Red Turbo
Turbo XS TMIC
1000 injectors
Walbro pump
Turbo-back exhaust
Headers/ up-pipe
Those were the basic mods they mentioned...What kinda #s have yall seen from experience? If not with this turbo, is it possible to make 500whp on pump gas w/o having to spend millions? Thanks for any help/info you might have!!
1000AWHP is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-28-2008, 09:41 PM   #2
mpsti05
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 86741
Join Date: May 2005
Chapter/Region: MWSOC
Location: Chicago
Vehicle:
05 STi.. Built
twinscroll35r Love/Hate

Default

*cough* search *cough* i throw something quick at you, fp red,inlet pipe,tgv deletes,big maf,tbe,el header,injectors,pump,clutch cobb or opensource for em and a good tune maybe meth, and This forum is full of information so use the search button
mpsti05 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-28-2008, 09:51 PM   #3
john 1badSTI
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 77470
Join Date: Dec 2004
Chapter/Region: MWSOC
Location: grove city ohio
Vehicle:
04 sti 10.51@138.5
on e85@ 30psi--spinning

Default

The 04's are known for having the weakest pistons of the sti's which means when you push that stock block to make close to 450-500 whp on pump you WILL crack a ringland it is inevitable,maybe not immediately,but you will.There is no such thing as making 500whp on straight pump cheaply--PEROID!!!
john 1badSTI is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-29-2008, 01:47 PM   #4
Tgui
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 44771
Join Date: Oct 2003
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by john 1badSTI View Post
The 04's are known for having the weakest pistons of the sti's which means when you push that stock block to make close to 450-500 whp on pump you WILL crack a ringland it is inevitable,maybe not immediately,but you will.There is no such thing as making 500whp on straight pump cheaply--PEROID!!!
No, wrong.

If you remember most of the issues when the 04 STis came out were from people learning to tune the 2.5 block.

The 04 pistons are no different than any other year, and I would wager had a less percentage of pistons/rings etc than the 07s. Then again we're learning the 07s issues might have more to do with the stock tune much like the pinging stock tune of the initial 04s.
Tgui is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-29-2008, 02:36 PM   #5
flycaster
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 60142
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Bend, OR
Vehicle:
2011 WRX
Grey

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgui View Post
...The 04 pistons are no different than any other year...
Righto, at least up thru '07. After that I can't say, but I'm sure others around here know the answer.

OP: read, then re-read Jeff Sponaugle's input on this. He's been at this game for long, long time and he knows as much about pushing our engines as anyone on this board.
flycaster is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-29-2008, 02:39 PM   #6
1000AWHP
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 195881
Join Date: Nov 2008
Default

300whp?? The car weighs over 3000lbs! Iv had a few "fast" cars. How bout a 440whp civic that was 2400lds...The only reason I switched was to have a "nice" car that was also really fast. I wanna be able to beat 600cc bikes like i could with my civic. LOL! I ask for 500 n he offers me 300! Thanks bro...(no offense) I enjoy doing this dance, so I need a car that will win races for my victory dance...
1000AWHP is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-29-2008, 02:55 PM   #7
flycaster
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 60142
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Bend, OR
Vehicle:
2011 WRX
Grey

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 1000AWHP View Post
...I wanna be able to beat 600cc bikes...
500whp may be a little on the low side...today's 600cc crotch-rockets are bloody quick, amigo. Most of 'em are mid-10 second machines, and our cars weigh a boatload more than 2400lbs...
flycaster is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-29-2008, 03:51 PM   #8
mapleleaf
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 103399
Join Date: Dec 2005
Chapter/Region: E. Canada
Location: Halifax, Nova Scotia
Vehicle:
2009 Stripped STI
Dirty White

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 1000AWHP View Post
300whp?? The car weighs over 3000lbs! Iv had a few "fast" cars. How bout a 440whp civic that was 2400lds...The only reason I switched was to have a "nice" car that was also really fast. I wanna be able to beat 600cc bikes like i could with my civic. LOL! I ask for 500 n he offers me 300! Thanks bro...(no offense) I enjoy doing this dance, so I need a car that will win races for my victory dance...

Stick to Civics, you'll have better luck
Most of us don't buy Sube's to beat 600's from a roll.
A 205, 207, 255, 257 is never going to compare to a civic in terms of weight, VE, drivetrain loss and budget.
You should have stuck with the Scivic.
mapleleaf is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-29-2008, 05:14 PM   #9
john 1badSTI
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 77470
Join Date: Dec 2004
Chapter/Region: MWSOC
Location: grove city ohio
Vehicle:
04 sti 10.51@138.5
on e85@ 30psi--spinning

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgui View Post
No, wrong.

If you remember most of the issues when the 04 STis came out were from people learning to tune the 2.5 block.

The 04 pistons are no different than any other year, and I would wager had a less percentage of pistons/rings etc than the 07s. Then again we're learning the 07s issues might have more to do with the stock tune much like the pinging stock tune of the initial 04s.
no, you are wrong. I actually got to talk (with an interpretor)to an engineer from Subaru of Japan and he admitted that the early cast pistons had some metalurgical flaws that were later fixed thats why the later models seem to be able to handle more power without problems.
john 1badSTI is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-28-2008, 10:24 PM   #10
1000AWHP
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 195881
Join Date: Nov 2008
Default

K, thanks for the help...I was told bout the piston thing before. Should I add rods while I have the motor out? If I did that, what kinda power could my motor reliably handle then?
1000AWHP is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-28-2008, 10:52 PM   #11
Mr_Snips
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 152117
Join Date: Jun 2007
Chapter/Region: SCIC
Location: Hills Have Eyes
Vehicle:
2012 Ford F150 ECO
White

Default

The easiest way is a big shot of nitrous
Mr_Snips is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-28-2008, 11:06 PM   #12
pauli18c
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 174553
Join Date: Mar 2008
Chapter/Region: MWSOC
Location: Blackhawks Baby!!
Vehicle:
2005 STi 360whp
345wtq on 93oct @ 20psi

Default

pick up phone, call local tuner, discuss "500hp", hang up and smile

cough cough: forget the red and go GT35R or bigger
pauli18c is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-29-2008, 04:35 PM   #13
MUGWUMP
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 13170
Join Date: Dec 2001
Chapter/Region: MWSOC
Location: IL
Vehicle:
2012 New Hotness
Black

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr_Snips View Post
The easiest way is a big shot of nitrous
Has anyone seen how much nitrous you can throw at the newer bottom ends if it's properly done? I've got an old bugeye and I haven't bothered to look into the newer engines.

For some reason it reminds me of a white Trailblazer at the midwest Subaru shootout at Byron dragway. I'm pretty sure it was a stock 08 with a 300 shot. I believe it ran mid 11s.
MUGWUMP is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-29-2008, 05:06 PM   #14
kingsti
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 37698
Join Date: May 2003
Chapter/Region: Tri-State
Vehicle:
2006 BB8BB8B CT9A

Default

What car do you actually have? On evom its an evo on here its an sti.
If you are just considering between the 2, the evo will probably be a little easier to achieve this. Basically, you can a have a bolt on stock appearing turbo like the FP red to get there. But this won't be on pump. The sti will require some complicated spaghetti looking rotated setup, FMIC, etc..

Last edited by kingsti; 11-29-2008 at 05:43 PM.
kingsti is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-04-2008, 12:02 AM   #15
nick32
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 160687
Join Date: Oct 2007
Chapter/Region: MWSOC
Location: oh
Vehicle:
2025 Durge
viperrroni

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr_Snips View Post
The easiest way is a big shot of nitrous
+1!!!! DOO IT!!!!!!!!!!
nick32 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-29-2008, 02:44 AM   #16
CVR STi
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 127428
Join Date: Sep 2006
Chapter/Region: Tri-State
Default

moter will go boom.
CVR STi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-29-2008, 07:23 AM   #17
wrxsti.l
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 156973
Join Date: Aug 2007
Chapter/Region: International
Location: Adelaide, Australia
Vehicle:
2002 ADM WRX STi
STi Black/Blue

Default

wrxsti.l is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-29-2008, 08:34 AM   #18
scramjett
*** Banned ***
 
Member#: 192526
Join Date: Oct 2008
Chapter/Region: MWSOC
Vehicle:
2008 WRX FMIC/VF48
Red/Steel Grey

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by wrxsti.l View Post
You know I've seen more than one driver of these Vipers lose to less powerfull cars because they can't control the wheelspin from its... what, 600ft-lbs in RWD layout. Still a hell of a car on the highway even in the passenger seat!!!
scramjett is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-02-2008, 12:56 PM   #19
Stames_wiltz
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 143264
Join Date: Mar 2007
Chapter/Region: RMIC
Location: Utah
Vehicle:
2006 WRX TR
Obsidian Black Pearl

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by wrxsti.l View Post

Forget that^^^^, the easiest way to get 500 whp is this!!!!

Stames_wiltz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-29-2008, 07:48 AM   #20
Kaldar142
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 151090
Join Date: Jun 2007
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Location: Silver Spring, MD
Vehicle:
S197 boosted V8 FTW

Default

upgraded shortblock and the biggest 35R you can get on meth...
Kaldar142 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-29-2008, 08:29 AM   #21
scramjett
*** Banned ***
 
Member#: 192526
Join Date: Oct 2008
Chapter/Region: MWSOC
Vehicle:
2008 WRX FMIC/VF48
Red/Steel Grey

Default

TurboXS TMIC? I am going TXS FMIC for just ~330whp. If you're really going for 500whp, then think about the heatsoak your TMIC will suffer from. More power = more heat, and therefore more retarding on timing in certain driving conditions. Other than your internals I would imaging adding meth, both as a power adder and as a way to help guard against detontation. Depending on how you're going to be driving this beast you may get away with the stock transmission components but I would certainly be looking at a new clutch.
scramjett is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-30-2008, 04:01 PM   #22
4ST-AIR
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 148681
Join Date: May 2007
Chapter/Region: MWSOC
Location: WI
Vehicle:
TBD Looking for STI
Back in the Game!

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by scramjett View Post
TurboXS TMIC? I am going TXS FMIC for just ~330whp. If you're really going for 500whp, then think about the heatsoak your TMIC will suffer from. More power = more heat, and therefore more retarding on timing in certain driving conditions. Other than your internals I would imaging adding meth, both as a power adder and as a way to help guard against detontation. Depending on how you're going to be driving this beast you may get away with the stock transmission components but I would certainly be looking at a new clutch.
I make just under 500WHP with my Spearco, 30R and Q16.

Quote:
Originally Posted by 1000AWHP View Post
300whp?? The car weighs over 3000lbs! Iv had a few "fast" cars. How bout a 440whp civic that was 2400lds...The only reason I switched was to have a "nice" car that was also really fast. I wanna be able to beat 600cc bikes like i could with my civic. LOL! I ask for 500 n he offers me 300! Thanks bro...(no offense) I enjoy doing this dance, so I need a car that will win races for my victory dance...
I'm 380WHP on pump and have no problem taking 600cc on the street on the open hwy its pretty close wayyyy up top. On my race gas map I can walk away from a 750cc.

Quote:
Originally Posted by sin13 View Post
one went up for sale earlier this week: http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=1644162
I thought that car had been for sale for a while now??

Last edited by 4ST-AIR; 11-30-2008 at 04:24 PM.
4ST-AIR is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-30-2008, 04:24 PM   #23
axion7606
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 32747
Join Date: Feb 2003
Chapter/Region: SCIC
Location: Orange County
Vehicle:
08 EvoX & FJ Tank

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 4ST-AIR View Post
I make just under 500WHP with my Spearco, 30R and Q16.


I'm 380WHP on pump and have no problem taking 600cc on the street on the open hwy its pretty close wayyyy up top. On my race gas map I can walk away from a 750cc which puts me just under 500AWHP.


I thought that car had been for sale for a while now??
380whp and beating 600's? you must be racing 80's sport bikes or squids!
axion7606 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-30-2008, 05:16 PM   #24
4ST-AIR
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 148681
Join Date: May 2007
Chapter/Region: MWSOC
Location: WI
Vehicle:
TBD Looking for STI
Back in the Game!

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by axion7606 View Post
380whp and beating 600's? you must be racing 80's sport bikes or squids!
I guess it comes down to who knows how to drive best. Ive been a licensed driver 24 years now I have come across many 600RR that I have had no problems with. I've had this debate with many n00bs on NASIOC (or younger drivers as well) Im just saying I know what I know and 600cc's is not a big deal, yes you can say blah blah HP to weight ratio and 1/4 mile this and that but get your average bike driver against an experienced driver in a AWD car and you better have your "A" game

Last edited by 4ST-AIR; 11-30-2008 at 05:26 PM.
4ST-AIR is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-01-2008, 02:52 AM   #25
axion7606
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 32747
Join Date: Feb 2003
Chapter/Region: SCIC
Location: Orange County
Vehicle:
08 EvoX & FJ Tank

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 4ST-AIR View Post
I guess it comes down to who knows how to drive best. Ive been a licensed driver 24 years now I have come across many 600RR that I have had no problems with. I've had this debate with many n00bs on NASIOC (or younger drivers as well) Im just saying I know what I know and 600cc's is not a big deal, yes you can say blah blah HP to weight ratio and 1/4 mile this and that but get your average bike driver against an experienced driver in a AWD car and you better have your "A" game
Yeah alot of people cant drive there bikes as good as they think. But I ride a r6 and I know first hand of how many beat downs I've given. including vipers, lambos, 400whp sti's. I mean people are trapping 124-129mph on a modern R6
axion7606 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
What does it take to make 500whp on a daily driven 07 STI?? sean18337 Other Engine Management 16 03-05-2012 02:02 PM
Quicker and less painful way to make 60 bucks than the other way excipient Rocky Mountains Impreza Club Forum -- RMIC 7 06-10-2008 05:18 PM
OT electricians - I need a way to make lights brighten and dim to music. RaceCarRiot Off-Topic 23 11-07-2006 03:10 PM
What is the best way to make a cast in order to make a fiberglass mould? BrysImpreza Interior & Exterior Modification 1 02-20-2006 10:21 AM
Is there a way to make Word export to HTML in a simple format? Jessie James Off-Topic 11 02-27-2004 04:06 PM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 03:17 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2015, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Powered by Searchlight © 2015 Axivo Inc.
Copyright ©1999 - 2015, North American Subaru Impreza Owners Club, Inc.