Welcome to the North American Subaru Impreza Owners Club Sunday April 20, 2014
Home Forums WikiNASIOC Products Store Modifications Upgrade Garage
Vancouver Impreza Club
Here you can view your subscribed threads, work with private messages and edit your profile and preferences Home Registration is free! Visit the NASIOC Store NASIOC Rules Search Find other members Frequently Asked Questions Calendar Archive NASIOC Upgrade Garage Logout
Go Back   NASIOC > NASIOC Chapters > Vancouver Impreza Club Forum -- VIC

Welcome to NASIOC - The world's largest online community for Subaru enthusiasts!
Welcome to the NASIOC.com Subaru forum.

You are currently viewing our forum as a guest, which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our community, free of charge, you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is free, fast and simple, so please join our community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact us.
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads.
View Poll Results: Do you care about climate change?
Yes! We need to do everything we can to stop this! 24 50.00%
No! It's a sham, there's no such thing as climate change! 16 33.33%
Climate what? You mean like when it goes from Fall to Winter to Spring to Summer? 8 16.67%
Voters: 48. You may not vote on this poll

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 02-04-2009, 04:09 PM   #1
Yannerd
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 111637
Join Date: Apr 2006
Chapter/Region: VIC
Location: Vancouver
Vehicle:
2013 BRZ
White

Exclamation Climate Change - Do you care?

It's a big issue and some scientists say that we have 5 or 10 years to try and reverse this before it's too late. Do you even care or is this just another problem for the next generation?

This is a serious question by the way.
Yannerd is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-04-2009, 04:19 PM   #2
mt72
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 199195
Join Date: Jan 2009
Chapter/Region: E. Canada
Location: Quebec Canada
Vehicle:
2007 Sierra 1500
white

Default

2012 -----) sometimes life catch you back quicker then you think
mt72 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-04-2009, 04:45 PM   #3
Scott_2.5TS
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 163806
Join Date: Nov 2007
Chapter/Region: VIC
Location: Victoria, B.C.
Vehicle:
2002 WRX
Silver

Default

catless 3" downpipe FTMFW!

I'm just kidding... I'm no expert but i think climate change is happening whether we try and stop it, or not. Slowing it down is the only option we have. If everyone in the world stopped driving today and all the countries started going green (recycle, maybe implementing rules as to how many kids a family can have etc.) we'd actually have a chance. It's weird living in a small town like Victoria, and feeling like there is hope then you go to places like Toronto with 4 lane highways and towns that stretch as far as the eye can see... then i feel like there is no hope


It's funny i wanted to make a thread liek this, but more about oil. I read the world is running out of oil at an alarming rate, they're saying maybe in the next 5 - 10 years. Without oil transportation of medicines/food/necessities will be almost impossible. I have 'prophecy', that just as how humans enter and leave their life in diapers... the human race is going to leave the earth the way it started, dunno if that makes sense
Scott_2.5TS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-04-2009, 05:05 PM   #4
Yannerd
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 111637
Join Date: Apr 2006
Chapter/Region: VIC
Location: Vancouver
Vehicle:
2013 BRZ
White

Default

Climate change in indeed happening but if we all sat back and said this problem is too big for us then it'll really end our world as we know it. The average temperature of the earth has gone up and they say another 2 degrees and we will hit that tipping point. I mean if everyone thought that "Oh just a few catless exhausts isn't going to hurt the planet" well I think change starts with that small step in the right direction.
Yannerd is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-04-2009, 05:16 PM   #5
Drakar
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 68402
Join Date: Aug 2004
Chapter/Region: VIC
Location: Coquitlam, BC, Canada
Vehicle:
2000 Impreza 2.5 RS
Silverthorn Metallic

Default

people focus on different things for different reasons, climate change may be a real issue but because people profit from its fear it will never be solved such as alot of diseases. Can you imaging if we did beat Cancer, no more funding for how many people, and how many out of a job.

We don't fix problems we just slow it down so money still comes in. Chris Rock had a good few lines on that.


As for the cars polluting and all that bull****, it's the coal plants and the slash and burn for crops, whip out our forests for more food to feed one group of people, while another group (westerners) of over eating and being wasteful (Im guilty of this as I believe everyone else in NA is)

Overly hipped, ya to make money, serious problem, possibly, but who the hell knows cause if one Scientist says it is and he needs to do research, well thats just another Grant towards the good fight.

Capitalism and saving the planet do not go hand in hand.
Drakar is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-04-2009, 05:20 PM   #6
Yannerd
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 111637
Join Date: Apr 2006
Chapter/Region: VIC
Location: Vancouver
Vehicle:
2013 BRZ
White

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Drakar View Post
people focus on different things for different reasons, climate change may be a real issue but because people profit from its fear it will never be solved such as alot of diseases. Can you imaging if we did beat Cancer, no more funding for how many people, and how many out of a job.

We don't fix problems we just slow it down so money still comes in. Chris Rock had a good few lines on that.


As for the cars polluting and all that bull****, it's the coal plants and the slash and burn for crops, whip out our forests for more food to feed one group of people, while another group (westerners) of over eating and being wasteful (Im guilty of this as I believe everyone else in NA is)

Overly hipped, ya to make money, serious problem, possibly, but who the hell knows cause if one Scientist says it is and he needs to do research, well thats just another Grant towards the good fight.

Capitalism and saving the planet do not go hand in hand.
I don't share your pessimism in this matter. I think that we can make a difference if we try. Look at the worldwide ban on CFCs during the 90s when there was that thing about ozone depletion. I think when people are faced with a real problem that they will do something about it. What's the point of capitalism if you're not around to enjoy it?
Yannerd is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-04-2009, 05:25 PM   #7
truenosan
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 78893
Join Date: Jan 2005
Chapter/Region: VIC
Location: Richmond BC Canada
Vehicle:
2013 Scion
FRS

Default

as selfish as it sounds, I'll be dead by then.

and 2012, I smell deja vu of the Y2K incident.

Besides, on April 21, 2011, Skynet will attack and most of us will be doomed.
truenosan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-04-2009, 05:38 PM   #8
Yannerd
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 111637
Join Date: Apr 2006
Chapter/Region: VIC
Location: Vancouver
Vehicle:
2013 BRZ
White

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by truenosan View Post
as selfish as it sounds, I'll be dead by then.

and 2012, I smell deja vu of the Y2K incident.

Besides, on April 21, 2011, Skynet will attack and most of us will be doomed.
Unfortunately, unless you plan to die in the next 30 to 50 years (which given the current life expectancy you'll still be around) you will be affected. I think if this was the 70s, we could definitely say that but the effects of climate change are more prevalent than ever. I for one don't want to be known as the generation that ruined this planet.
Yannerd is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-04-2009, 05:13 PM   #9
kgb
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 1366
Join Date: Apr 2000
Chapter/Region: VIC
Location: Delta, BC, Canada
Vehicle:
2000 RS-T -> RSTi-8
Blue Ridge Pearl

Default

Hence I don't think I will ever go cat-less although I did increase my emission output from being 2.5 NA to now 2.0 boosted
kgb is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-04-2009, 05:46 PM   #10
bender
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 1839
Join Date: Jul 2000
Chapter/Region: VIC
Location: at home
Default

am I concern? yes
the better question is:

is it man made or is it a natural process in the earths cycle?

wasn't there news not too long ago where they found a turtle fossil in the arctic?

wasn't it believed that it use to be warm up there millions of years ago......long before cars?

http://blogs.usatoday.com/sciencefai...al-turtle.html

Last edited by bender; 02-04-2009 at 05:47 PM. Reason: link added
bender is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-04-2009, 05:46 PM   #11
Subaru-Girl
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 180916
Join Date: May 2008
Chapter/Region: VIC
Location: City of Squamton
Default

i Watched IMAX's Blue Planet last night actually ... really bothered me that 1 acre of rainforrest is set fire every second to clear land for more people and you can only grasp this when viewing earth from space, the rain forest is just smoking away ... I think we're overpopulated, and yeah messed up our planet . Yet I still drive everyday etc ...
Subaru-Girl is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-04-2009, 06:06 PM   #12
kgb
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 1366
Join Date: Apr 2000
Chapter/Region: VIC
Location: Delta, BC, Canada
Vehicle:
2000 RS-T -> RSTi-8
Blue Ridge Pearl

Default

Definitely over-populated, but the worst offenders are from the 3rd world where they aren't educated enough to stop contributing to the problem.
kgb is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-04-2009, 06:21 PM   #13
Linkseal
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 102329
Join Date: Dec 2005
Chapter/Region: VIC
Location: Canucks
Vehicle:
05 AW Piggy Gone
11 SP TOM'S IS-F

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by kgb View Post
Definitely over-populated, but the worst offenders are from the 3rd world where they aren't educated enough to stop contributing to the problem.
and most of us are still catless.... ... but what can we do about this?
Linkseal is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-04-2009, 06:31 PM   #14
Drizzie
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 119988
Join Date: Jul 2006
Chapter/Region: VIC
Location: Pacific Douglas
Vehicle:
2006 2.5i Wagon
SGM

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Linkseal View Post
and most of us are still catless.... ... but what can we do about this?
^^ You can put a cat on??

I'm on the side of people who aren't totally convinced that this isn't a natural phenomenon. Well, let me rephrase that. I agree that we as humans have over populated the earth and destroy way too much for own desires/needs and pollute way too much. I think that it is us COUPLED with natural cycles that we just don't have enough info/data to completely see that is causing rise in temps.

Can we, should we be more green? Hell yes. Because we can and we should, it's the right thing to do and we are smart enough to know that.

Last edited by Drizzie; 02-04-2009 at 06:36 PM.
Drizzie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-04-2009, 06:40 PM   #15
Drakar
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 68402
Join Date: Aug 2004
Chapter/Region: VIC
Location: Coquitlam, BC, Canada
Vehicle:
2000 Impreza 2.5 RS
Silverthorn Metallic

Default

It's a pessimistic approach because look how long it takes people to discuss this, while the problem gets worse, it's like having a meeting of what to do when a tidal wave comes, while there is one offshore showing up.

People are too concerned now with making money then with change, and all the people that want to make a change feel they can't, IE everyone still driving, if we all cared alittle more we would stop driving and adapte our lifestyles, but we are too comfortable.

Yes I agree the CFC thing did a big change and people made a giant about face on it, but if you look at the whole Global warming issue, there are signs but people are disproving them, which inturn means people have doubts. You cound't disprove a giant hole in the ozone, it was there, it was real.

3rd worlds are doing what they can to survive because no one is helping them or educating them.

We need to face the facts that if we wanted to change we could but the social upheaval would be catastrophic. So instead a gradual approach should be taken, but who puts the plan into action, or even comes up with a plan, world leaders if they gave a **** about what they walk on instead of who they walked on would be getting things done. Hopefully soon we can see some real change. And on a note of capitalism, look at what GM and the other 2 have been doing for years, LOW MPG cars and railroading bills Cali has tried to pass in the senate.
Drakar is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-06-2009, 01:03 AM   #16
jutes85
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 127232
Join Date: Sep 2006
Chapter/Region: W. Canada
Location: Suck Lake, Alberta
Vehicle:
E92 M3
98' Foz

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Linkseal View Post
and most of us are still catless.... ... but what can we do about this?
The odd "tuner" car that is catless does not hurt the environment as much as the aircraft flying around at 35,000ft. Ever see a fighter jet take off at full-ab? The amount of black carbon smoke that comes out from one takeoff probably does more damage than driving around one year in your catless car.
jutes85 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-04-2009, 06:36 PM   #17
Jeff54
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 129503
Join Date: Oct 2006
Chapter/Region: VIC
Location: reppin fort langleeey
Vehicle:
2002 It's resting
6 > 4?

Default

**** you Al Gore....
Jeff54 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-04-2009, 07:05 PM   #18
007WRX
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 125884
Join Date: Sep 2006
Chapter/Region: VIC
Location: Kelowna
Vehicle:
06 Evo IX MR Black
76 Datsun ZZZZZZZ

Default

Meh, Catless sounds better.
007WRX is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-04-2009, 08:04 PM   #19
Jeff54
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 129503
Join Date: Oct 2006
Chapter/Region: VIC
Location: reppin fort langleeey
Vehicle:
2002 It's resting
6 > 4?

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 007WRX View Post
Meh, Catless sounds better.

and smells better


i love that smell....a lot of people complain about it...they are not true enthusiasts

but yeah....i dunno....i think the problem is people either dont care, or they take it to an extreme on the corner with a megaphone screaming armageddon is here..

Yes changes definitely need to be made in order to preserve the planet....but we're not all doomed....and you're not raping momma earth by driving your car to work....I work in buildings engineering, and the changes in building design with stuff like LEED in the last few years is pretty promising....along with more and more hybrid and fuel efficient vehicles coming out, I think we're on the right path and there's really no need to panic
Jeff54 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-04-2009, 09:07 PM   #20
Splinter
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 106510
Join Date: Feb 2006
Chapter/Region: VIC
Location: Richmond, BC
Vehicle:
98 Widebody 2.2
Smooth Safety Blue

Default

I'm a big fan of the idea of the very nature of life taking care of the problem for us. We as human beings think we are far more important than we actually are. We cannot destroy life on earth. We don't have that power. We can ruin the planet for ourselves, and a few other species, but life will go on regardless.

The earth has survived far worse things than us.
Splinter is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-05-2009, 01:14 AM   #21
banman
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 12408
Join Date: Nov 2001
Chapter/Region: VIC
Location: Lotusland
Vehicle:
2006 Legacy GT
Silver

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Scott_2.5TS View Post
catless 3" downpipe FTMFW!
Quote:
Originally Posted by kgb View Post
Hence I don't think I will ever go cat-less although I did increase my emission output from being 2.5 NA to now 2.0 boosted
Quote:
Originally Posted by 007WRX View Post
Meh, Catless sounds better.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeff54 View Post
and smells better
No pun intended, but the people wringing their hands about being catless are barking up the wrong tree as far as climate change is concerned.

The main function of a cat is to convert carbon monoxide to carbon dioxide, and converts NOx to diatomic nitrogen. Removing your cat means that your car is producing less carbon dioxide - of course, at the expense of nasty ground-level pollutants like oxides of nitrogen and carbon monoxide.

Cats also take care of whatever unburnt hydocarbons make it that far, so there's a small CO2 contribution from that aspect - but you guys shouldn't be sending raw fuel down the tailpipe, now should you?

As for Funkmasta, dude, I could pwn the **** out of you right now, but I won't. Search my AGW/climate change threads in OT and PP and you'll see what I'm sparing you.
banman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-06-2009, 01:03 AM   #22
FunkMasta
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 66985
Join Date: Jul 2004
Chapter/Region: VIC
Location: Coquitlam, B.C. Canada
Vehicle:
2001 2.5RS sold
2012 2.0 Hatch

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by banman View Post
As for Funkmasta, dude, I could pwn the **** out of you right now, but I won't. Search my AGW/climate change threads in OT and PP and you'll see what I'm sparing you.

you're right, you would pwn the ****ing **** right out of my *******. and i know that i know very little of the science. but when independent astronomers around the world tell me that the sun is getting warmer, i am inclined to believe them.

the point i am trying to make is that the powers that be are not above taking advantage in the climate change fad, and taxing you out the ass for everything they can think of. the carbon tax is just the first step. just another tool for control.

and i honestly do not think that a country with as small a population as ours can do anything to stop climate change, whether its happening or not. this can't be stopped by one person, community, country or even a coalition of countries under the kyoto agreement. it is a global problem(if it is a problem) and possible a problem that is solar-system wide that we have no way of controlling even if we could cut greenhouse gases by the amounts the ecomentalists think we should.
FunkMasta is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-06-2009, 01:36 AM   #23
Splinter
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 106510
Join Date: Feb 2006
Chapter/Region: VIC
Location: Richmond, BC
Vehicle:
98 Widebody 2.2
Smooth Safety Blue

Default

One of my bonfires creates more airbourne pollutants than all the catless cars in the VIC.

Seriously.
Splinter is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-04-2009, 07:36 PM   #24
GlobalWaste
*** Banned ***
 
Member#: 74792
Join Date: Nov 2004
Chapter/Region: VIC
Default

Yes something needs to be done, but I think a lot of people have the wrong approach, thanks to ***** like Al Gore

I'm a firm believer in starting with the biggest problems and then working your way down and what a lot of people don't realize is.... this: http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.as...al&Cr1=warming

Dealing with that along with stricter regulations on factories and an effort to reduce deforestation would have much more of a positive effect.
GlobalWaste is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-04-2009, 07:49 PM   #25
kgb
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 1366
Join Date: Apr 2000
Chapter/Region: VIC
Location: Delta, BC, Canada
Vehicle:
2000 RS-T -> RSTi-8
Blue Ridge Pearl

Default

The problem is a big gap between the developed economy vs developing economy - the latter complained about the former making a mess and now trying to impose the same set of rules to both which would slow their economic growth, while the former believe that the latter is making the most mess right now so they have the biggest burden to clean-up. You're not going to solve that bickering - just look at Kyoto and the reasoning behind North America wanting nothing to do with it. Europe can do its share of emission reduction but until you get the Asians to buy in and help out we could kill our economy and still be nowhere near helping out the cause
kgb is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
DrinkAV8, why do you care what wrxfactor cares about TDQuiksilver Off-Topic 4 03-13-2008 12:37 AM
Do you care if your spouse makes more $$$ than you? Strider Off-Topic 32 03-24-2005 03:50 PM
Do you care about your (future) spouse's religion? Mike Wevrick Off-Topic 86 04-17-2004 12:14 AM
Hair "down there" do you care? lucey Off-Topic 56 02-21-2004 10:25 PM
Do you care about your ethnic heritage? Mike Wevrick Off-Topic 34 09-15-2003 05:36 PM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 08:41 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Powered by Searchlight © 2014 Axivo Inc.
Copyright ©1999 - 2014, North American Subaru Impreza Owners Club, Inc.