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Old 08-06-2009, 03:03 PM   #1
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Default Subiesport Issue 26 Feedback

With issue 26 heading to subscribers, I wanted to start a new thread where everyone could discuss the issue. Please let us know what your favorite and least favorite parts of the new issue are.

This is not a thread to discuss the issue delays, state of the magazine business or anything else unrelated to the specific content in Issue 26.

The digital edition will be available to digital subscribers at Subiesport.com on Monday, August 10.

Thanks,

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Old 08-06-2009, 11:33 PM   #2
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Does this mean I can finally post my opinion even though I got it from you at WRXgames ?

I can be a little vague yet get some of my thoughts about it across.
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Old 08-11-2009, 08:37 PM   #3
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here is my feedback

wow... just waited how long for a 15 page magazine with 5 of those 15 pages being full page ads.

Here is some feedback this mag sucks ass. I did not pay for a DVD or online mag, believe or not I like to read. I truly do want whatever money is left on my subscription back.
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Old 08-11-2009, 09:04 PM   #4
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Did you watch the DVD? Or are you just against the idea of it?
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Old 08-11-2009, 09:11 PM   #5
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Did you watch the DVD? Or are you just against the idea of it?
Are you fing serious? After all these months you come out with this?

What part of I did not pay for a dvd or online mag was unclear?

Think about the concept of a magazine. It is for people to read in their leisure time. For me that is usually in the morning on the pot, in an airplane, or reading outside. Not in front of a computer or dvd player.

Can I come in tomorrow and we can figure out what the remaining amount is on my subscription so I can get it back?
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Old 08-17-2009, 09:11 PM   #6
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Can I come in tomorrow and we can figure out what the remaining amount is on my subscription so I can get it back?
I second this, I still haven't gotten my magazine that was supposedly sent out at the beginning of the month. The USPS does not take 18 days to get from Kirkland WA to Bellevue WA, it maybe takes 3 days max.

I'd love to come in and get the remaining mount of my subscription credited back to me, Please PM me contact info.
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i have to be honest. the magazine could have been alot better. its nothing but ads. the dvd was ok.id rather have a normal magazine. for example i just got the new issue of dsport. its 130 pages long and comes with a dvd thats over an hour long. i never got this magazine before but was impressed with it. i think you need to rethink the dvd idea with a little magazine.
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Did you watch the DVD? Or are you just against the idea of it?

I don't have a DVD player. I am deployed in Iraq. I would have to borrow someones computer to watch it.

I still havent recieved my magazine though...errr, DVD I guess.

Although I am not objecting to the idea of a DVD, I prefer to have the magazine. I have seen the DVD, so I am not going toss that idea out the window....yet.

I do not/will not want a refund either way, but a magazine is way more convienant for a break, or a deployment, as I don't regularly carry around a DVD player with me.

Whatever, at this point I am just hoping I get something.
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I don't have a DVD player. I am deployed in Iraq. I would have to borrow someones computer to watch it.

I still havent recieved my magazine though...errr, DVD I guess.

Although I am not objecting to the idea of a DVD, I prefer to have the magazine. I have seen the DVD, so I am not going toss that idea out the window....yet.

I do not/will not want a refund either way, but a magazine is way more convienant for a break, or a deployment, as I don't regularly carry around a DVD player with me.

Whatever, at this point I am just hoping I get something.
Wow what is your job in the military? How can you not have a laptop or portable dvd player on a deployment . Movies and games are key to deployments and killing time or unwinding from a long long day. I'm out here as well in Afghanistan though. I like the hard copy but will take a copy in digits if need be. I haven't got mine but being out on deployment mail is really slow. Times are changing and the newage is everone owns laptops or portable dvd players at least.
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Wow what is your job in the military? How can you not have a laptop or portable dvd player on a deployment . Movies and games are key to deployments and killing time or unwinding from a long long day. I'm out here as well in Afghanistan though. I like the hard copy but will take a copy in digits if need be. I haven't got mine but being out on deployment mail is really slow. Times are changing and the newage is everone owns laptops or portable dvd players at least.
I am basically an electrical engineer. I work on all types and sizes of generators, electrical power grids, as well as HVAC repair.

My DVD player broke (damn sand), and my laptop is a note book without a dvd rom. It wouldn't have been an incovienance had my dvd player not stopped working. I will be buying a external dvd rom for it soon when I go on leave, so I am not hating on the new format...too bad.

I know my son will love it. he has always liked my subiesports, and if anything I will stay subscribed because it will provide us some guy time together watching it one another.
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I can't offer any feedback regarding the issue itself, but I am as disenchanted as many who have posted before me. I realize the industry as we know it is gone, but it is rather difficult for those who have subscribed. I'll be receiving my copy in the mail about two weeks after my wife receives it at home, and then I'll have to grab my DVD player to "read" it. I got it-- you guys are doing what you can to sustain, but this is tough after SCC vanished.

Travis' story from the other thread about the dude carrying issues in his ruck reminds me that I'll no longer have easily-accessible car info to pass the time by. But then again, I have been waiting for a new issue for most of my deployment anyways...
I'll send you a pm with the same deal I told iluvdrt and a few of the other local subie guys who have already or are on the way out.

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I don't have a DVD player. I am deployed in Iraq. I would have to borrow someones computer to watch it.

I still havent recieved my magazine though...errr, DVD I guess.

Although I am not objecting to the idea of a DVD, I prefer to have the magazine. I have seen the DVD, so I am not going toss that idea out the window....yet.

I do not/will not want a refund either way, but a magazine is way more convienant for a break, or a deployment, as I don't regularly carry around a DVD player with me.

Whatever, at this point I am just hoping I get something.
Your new subscription will be shipping pretty soon Im assuming.


I still havent received my subie sport yet but I would still like to interject what I think about this situation. I'm saying what i feel and Im not dragging subie sport through the mudd ect. I dont want a refund, I'll probably still watch/read whatever I'd rather spend less and read it online than pay more and read it online.

I think more than anything is that this kinda took people by suprise for a few reasons

1. We have been waiting for quite some time now, some what impatiently because "Subie Sport is going to redesign!" and "The Magazine is going to be Great and you'll all love it!"

So other than your magazine I only subscribe to 2 car magazines. Hotrod which hasnt changed in years, and Dsport which just had a major redesign that took 1 issue. I like dsport magazine alot. I like Subie sport as a magazine alot. Dsport includes dvds with magazine thathave alot of content. now your switching to basically all dvd format.

2. DVD format is peachy keen. But subie sport was being hyped up about how great the redesign will be. I was expecting an already small magazine redesign to include more tech stuff, more features of everyday Joes cars, some more of the badass subie race cars out there. More content. Not to be " The new subie sport is on its way give me feed back your going to love it!" "Oh btw the magazine is only 15 pages.

So I guess what Im getting at is will I continue watching subie sport? Probably

Could this have been a better transition than "We are going to redesign the magazine into the best thing since sliced bread!" ? Yeah by letting everyone know 6 months ago that the reason you wont be getting your magazine is that instead of a magazine your going to get a movie. Then I htink all would have been fine.

Now I still havent received my dvd so I will watch it eventually if it comes in the mail. But I think now with a 15 page magazine you might aswell quit doing the magazine all together and focus 100% on the dvd's and their content. then offer acheap dvd in the mail bi monthly or watch it streaming online.

Good luck.
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I was genuinely curious if you had an opinion on the *content* of the issue, and not the *structure* of the issue. You made your point very clear on the latter. Stop by any time, I take it by your post you know where the office is. I'd love to discuss.
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i just watched the dvd. i have to say i liked it. it had some good footage. the magazine needs a little more though. 15 pages with mostly ads wasnt worth waiting for adobe to open it. for the dvd the technical parts and rally were pretty good. i think honestly alot of subcribers are not gonna be too thrilled with the changes. im sure you will be the first to know.
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I did watch the DVD and while I am still a bit POed about the structure I would say it was interesting content. If you would have put that content into the mag I would probably swung by the office with coffee and muffins as a thank you.
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Old 08-12-2009, 12:47 PM   #15
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Worth repeating. Thanks, Jason.

The DVD is the equivalent of a 150+ page magazine. Which is not financially feasible these days. Even "back when" we couldn't get Subiesport beyond 100 pages (and even that was subsidized out of my pocket) Hell, both Nissan Sport (no relation) and MC2 the Mini Magazines are around 60 pages these days. They both where previously at 100+ and I wouldn't be surprised if every enthusiast magazine was running on fumes at this point.

Traditional magazines are dying. The format is a walking zombie. I don't like it any more than you do, but we have to face reality that postage, ink and paper have increased significantly since we published issue #1. Postage alone has gone up at least 10 times (bulk is different than first class, which has only increased a couple times) -- and we haven't raised rates. At the same time, in the past year, the ad market has crashed. We're not talking skid landing, more along the lines of straight into a cliff at Mach 5 with still no sign of any real recovery. The traditional American model calls for Ads to cover the majority of the production costs. Subscription income covers postage. That's it. The model was broken to begin with. Now it's unsustainable.

Video is significantly more expensive to produce, content wise, than print. However, the physical production of the discs is lower. There is a potential for equilibrium here. That is if everyone doesn't go ape **** over the mere thought of something new.

I ask that you please look at the content of the DVD before posting your "thoughts" on it. I know, it's tough, we all like to pile on, but I would like to maintain a discussion... not a yelling match. I'd like to buck the trend and not have the vocal minority's voices be the only ones that people hear.

FYI: My dream is that the ad market will rebound, we can keep the DVD and increase the pagecount of the printed copy.

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Traditional magazines are dying. The format is a walking zombie. I don't like it any more than you do, but we have to face reality that postage, ink and paper have increased significantly since we published issue #1. Postage alone has gone up at least 10 times (bulk is different than first class, which has only increased a couple times) -- and we haven't raised rates. At the same time, in the past year, the ad market has crashed. We're not talking skid landing, more along the lines of straight into a cliff at Mach 5 with still no sign of any real recovery. The traditional American model calls for Ads to cover the majority of the production costs. Subscription income covers postage. That's it. The model was broken to begin with. Now it's unsustainable.
As a regular contributor to Subiesport Magazine since its inception, and as a contributor to other publications, both print and online, I couldn't agree with this more. I contribute to all of these print publications through my photography and my writing, and seeing these print publications die off rather suddenly is quite disheartening. Sport Compact Car, Turbo, and many other non-car magazines are dying off...here's even a short list: http://www.magazinedeathpool.com Even my own subscription to EGM was transferred over to Maxim...so now I have to get all of my video game content online now. Hell, pick up a copy of Modified, Super Street, or Import Tuner these days and you can see that they've all shrunk significantly, and if you talk to any of the Editors, they'll all tell you that it's because of the shrinking pool of advertising money. For example, through the first three quarters of 2008, compared to one year ago, automotive advertising is down 23.6%, according to the Publishers Information Bureau. It can be even tougher for a specialty magazine such as Subiesport to draw advertisers since the market is much more concentrated than most other import magazines out there. I honestly do believe that Ryan's made the right choice to stay ahead of the game on this one, and I know for a fact that it hasn't been easy for him. Change is never easy, but in times like these, it's definitely necessary to stay alive.

As for my thoughts on the DVD, I think it was very well done. Seeing and hearing Steve from PIA talk about and drive their Forester was great, even if in a way it puts people like me without work since I'm not writing or taking photos. It was almost Best Motoring-esque, which other than Top Gear, is what I tend to compare these types of videos to. The piece on Tim Bailey tuning was excellent, since I know that the vast majority of people don't know what actually goes on in the cabin during a tuning session, much less what everything looks like when tuning is actually being done. Rally coverage was also excellent, especially with the in-car cameras. I honestly do believe that it's the best rally coverage around, especially given how limited WRC coverage is or will be here in the United States. Overall, all of the video was well done and well edited as well, and the music has definitely improved since some of the earlier DrivingSports videos from back in the day.

I can definitely understand everyone's frustration with the format change, and I myself hope that we can get a thicker print mag along with the DVD for the next issue. After all, I want to keep contributing too! For now though, the DVD and print mag combo is still very good, especially given the overall state of the industry these days.

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As a regular contributor to Subiesport Magazine since its inception, and as a contributor to other publications, both print and online, I couldn't agree with this more. I contribute to all of these print publications through my photography and my writing, and seeing these print publications die off rather suddenly is quite disheartening. Sport Compact Car, Turbo, and many other non-car magazines are dying off...here's even a short list: http://www.magazinedeathpool.com Even my own subscription to EGM was transferred over to Maxim...so now I have to get all of my video game content online now. Hell, pick up a copy of Modified, Super Street, or Import Tuner these days and you can see that they've all shrunk significantly, and if you talk to any of the Editors, they'll all tell you that it's because of the shrinking pool of advertising money. For example, through the first three quarters of 2008, compared to one year ago, automotive advertising is down 23.6%, according to the Publishers Information Bureau. It can be even tougher for a specialty magazine such as Subiesport to draw advertisers since the market is much more concentrated than most other import magazines out there. I honestly do believe that Ryan's made the right choice to stay ahead of the game on this one, and I know for a fact that it hasn't been easy for him. Change is never easy, but in times like these, it's definitely necessary to stay alive.

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I don't quite understand why feedback is requested, but any negative comments are met with offensive replies from the Subiesport reps. The general consensus is that if you don't agree with Subiesport's route, you either don't understand, you don't matter, or both. Professionalism is key.

I've been a loyal subscriber since the second issue, and loved every issue. The magazine used to be full of positive, well written articles. Recently however, it's been laced with hints of elitism and pessimism.

I'm extremely disappointed with these "digitalized" issues. If I recall correctly, I paid for a bi-monthly (as in, 6 issues per year) paper magazine that I can sit down and read. I am not receiving what I paid for, both in frequency and content.

"Who cares, he's only one person. We have plenty of other subscribers."

Plenty of other subscribers who paid for a bi-monthly printed magazine, and instead are receiving a CD with a folder of videos. I've discussed this issue with a few other Subiesport subscribers, and I can assure you that I'm not alone.

That said, I will not be resubscribing. Good luck in your future endeavors.
Agreed, we should buy tickets from the PGH airport to punch Ryan in the face.

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With issue 26 heading to subscribers, I wanted to start a new thread where everyone could discuss the issue. Please let us know what your favorite and least favorite parts of the new issue are.

This is not a thread to discuss the issue delays, state of the magazine business or anything else unrelated to the specific content in Issue 26.

The digital edition will be available to digital subscribers at Subiesport.com on Monday, August 10.

Thanks,

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As always I was very happy that there will be a new Subiesport Magazine coming out...

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I was genuinely curious if you had an opinion on the *content* of the issue, and not the *structure* of the issue. You made your point very clear on the latter. Stop by any time, I take it by your post you know where the office is. I'd love to discuss.
So Ryan, I don't like the structure, not all of the content is even new. Part of the DVD even had info on your Legacy GT, I mean c'mon is that a joke? That was in an issue a long time ago.

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Have you watched it? Did you read my editorial? Or are you just being flippant?
I read the pamphlet, it is no longer worth being considered a magazine, that being said I understand that a pamphlet needs "published", but at 15- pages couldn't an intern do your job. Ryan this makes me very sad, I have either gone to the local bookstore (B&N or Borders) every single month or subscribed to your magazine over the years. So I have every issue from issue one, once I received it, I was angry that I knew nothing about it, then sad.

I loved the video of PIA's STI Forester swap, and most of the content on the DVD. That being said I had to wait almost two weeks to have the time to watch it. I could've just read the magazine at work on breaks, and at my leisure otherwise.


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Worth repeating. Thanks, Jason.

The DVD is the equivalent of a 150+ page magazine. Which is not financially feasible these days. Even "back when" we couldn't get Subiesport beyond 100 pages (and even that was subsidized out of my pocket) Hell, both Nissan Sport (no relation) and MC2 the Mini Magazines are around 60 pages these days. They both where previously at 100+ and I wouldn't be surprised if every enthusiast magazine was running on fumes at this point.

Traditional magazines are dying. The format is a walking zombie. I don't like it any more than you do, but we have to face reality that postage, ink and paper have increased significantly since we published issue #1. Postage alone has gone up at least 10 times (bulk is different than first class, which has only increased a couple times) -- and we haven't raised rates. At the same time, in the past year, the ad market has crashed. We're not talking skid landing, more along the lines of straight into a cliff at Mach 5 with still no sign of any real recovery. The traditional American model calls for Ads to cover the majority of the production costs. Subscription income covers postage. That's it. The model was broken to begin with. Now it's unsustainable.

Video is significantly more expensive to produce, content wise, than print. However, the physical production of the discs is lower. There is a potential for equilibrium here. That is if everyone doesn't go ape **** over the mere thought of something new.

I ask that you please look at the content of the DVD before posting your "thoughts" on it. I know, it's tough, we all like to pile on, but I would like to maintain a discussion... not a yelling match. I'd like to buck the trend and not have the vocal minority's voices be the only ones that people hear.

FYI: My dream is that the ad market will rebound, we can keep the DVD and increase the pagecount of the printed copy.
I unlike some people have looked at the content of the DVD before posting. I did pay for a magazine, a magazine that I have loved since ISSUE 1. I am very disappointed with Subiesport and you Ryan, because honestly I thought I was the only one who felt the way I did about this, but now as someone who has every issue since number 1 I feel sad that you, instead of addressing peoples legitimate concerns you instead ask stupid questions that only show your elitist attitude. I really wish I didn't live that far away from Washington so I could talk to you face to face... I am not a fighter but I would make an exception in this case, simply because of the way you treat your customers you are a complete jerk to these people who spend there hard earned money on Subiesport, which, correct me if I am wrong provides you with income. I have run several businesses, with clients that spend billions of dollars on print advertising. If you are concerned about the ad market dropping off why not do something about, go to companies that are not related to our cars, I don't think that anyone here would say hell no I don't want that Verizon add for 15 more pages of content. Have you even considered going that route. I mean you probably have exhausted everything because you are so much better than everyone else.

At this point Subaru's DRIVE Performance magazine is better than Subiesport.

I however will ride out my Subscription hopefully things get better, both with the print and not using old content to fill up a DVD.

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Have you watched it? Did you read my editorial? Or are you just being flippant?
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I didn't sign up for a DVD magazine, i signed up for a paper magazine, i would read and check mine out most of the time when we would go somewhere and i had nothing to do, not sit at my TV and watch it when i am bored, thanks anyway but i would rather have my money back and no suby sport then have a DVD to watch every 8 months or whenever you get around to sending one out.
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ricochet, will the next issue have more content in the mag? Or is it too early to make that call?
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ricochet, will the next issue have more content in the mag? Or is it too early to make that call?
Too early to make that call. I would like to bump to at least 32, but we're taking the print edition one issue at a time.

There will also be a 26.5 PDF supplement coming out in August, but that's not going to print. It will be download only.
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