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Old 08-13-2009, 01:30 PM   #1
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My Blouch 20G is blown. It went downhill slowly and I am looking at upgrades (my CHRA may be broken is why).

So I am looking into turbos. I will not shell out 1800 for an ATP turbo, although I would love one, it is just not in the budget. This turbo is at the edge of the budget.

I have the fuel system to support E85 to 400+ WHP.

Now looking for a new turbo around 1000 dollars is tough to hit these goals even on E85. My 20G could do it, but now it is blown (mostly due to overboosting, reinstalling it many times as well).

Kamak website: link

Spec sheet on bolt on turbos: link

Turbo for sale on ebay: link



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KAMAK SUBARU IMPREZA STi TD06SL2 Garrett 60-1 Turbo

n Bearing System: Journal Bearing

n Cooling System: Water & Oil

n Turbine Housing Nozzle Area: 8cm^2

n Turbine Diameter: 54mm/61mm

n Turbine Blades: 11

n CFM:780@1.0 Bar

n Compressor Wheel: Garrett 60-1 76mm/59.5mm

n HP:500 HP

n Balance:150,000 On VSR

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1. Turbine wheel & turbine housing hybrid design:

Considering quick-boosting so that turbine wheel just comes with 11 blades which is an very rare type, on the other hand, wheel size of TD06SL2 is larger than TD05H so that can keep the top end speed and get more horse power.



2. Thrust Bearing:

360 degree trust bearing that combines with thrust collar and trust ring doesn’t like a stander one, so that it can providers more tolerance of loading pressure at high engine RPM.



3. Compressor wheel:

Garrett 60-1 compressor wheel has more compressor efficiency and comes with smaller centre pillar than original MHI 20G improves air-flow.

Following Included:

n SUBARU TD05H turbo Oil & Water Install Kit
I have done several web searches on these turbos. Most forums are riddled with "It is another Chinese ebay junk turbo". However several people posted that they have used the Kamak branded turbos on Mitsus and Subarus with good results. Several forums mentioned people in Australia running Kamak turbos on their Subarus with great results. Leslie you there?

I doubt anyone here has experience with these, but perhaps someone does. If you have experience with any Kamak turbo (please do not chime in unless it is a Kamak turbo) I would appreciate your views on the turbo. I know Vlad has experience with their rebuild kits from doing a search.

The pricing of the turbo is slightly less expensive than more known names such as FP and Blouch, but it is not as cheap as the unbranded ebay turbos.

Kamak seems to be based in S. Korea with one US distributor.

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Gabe

Edit:

After researching, Kamak is based out of Taiwan and makes many rebuild parts as well as the Japanese "Kinugawa" turbos. Read further for links on people who have used them successfully on Subarus, Nissans and Mitsus. Seems to be a good turbo.

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Old 08-13-2009, 02:07 PM   #2
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Hmm after reading about them and their website they look very well put together. Plus they are using a garrett wheel. I would deff give it a shoot.
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Old 08-13-2009, 02:13 PM   #3
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So they are using an 11 bladed turbine wheel? Sounds a lot like the same wheel FP used to use in their Green, and Deadbolt called their "Fatboy" wheel.

You know, you could always rebuild your 20g with a new CHRA for $500ish. Just throwing that out there...
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Old 08-13-2009, 02:17 PM   #4
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It is a TD05 and I kind of want to upgrade.

My fallback is the rebuild.
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Old 08-13-2009, 02:20 PM   #5
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If you're trying to do this on the cheap why not just get your 20G rebuilt? Throw a stocker on there in the meantime and go with a $350 rebuild.
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Old 08-13-2009, 02:38 PM   #6
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If you know me at all, you know I like to experiment. My STi has been a testbed that many people have learned from. An expensive testbed. Sure, I would love a Green or an ATP turbo, but those are already known to be good. I have some method behind my madness. Plus, my wife has an 06 STi that may someday inherit the 20G I have when I rebuild it.

The latest example of my testbed efforts is the new design topfeed AP rails. There are some issues with the way AP assembles the AN adapters, but other than that they are great rails! Look at the Parts Review section for that review.
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Old 08-13-2009, 02:41 PM   #7
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Mmmmmmm wife that drives an STi, why can't all women be like that. Hell i think any women that drives a stick is hot, but an sti. :-)
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Old 08-13-2009, 03:05 PM   #8
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My wife funds my STI and sits in the passenger looking all pretty...I like that.
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Old 08-13-2009, 03:10 PM   #9
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Ok we are getting a bit off topic. Her (Tess on these forums) STi is Full stage 2+, built motor, and the road dyno is in proven power bragging. It scoots for a stock turbo STi on 93.

Her mod list:

Stage 2 shortblock (dropin CPs, came with car)
Full TBE (came with the car)
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APS 65 mm CAI
Cobb sport springs (came with car)
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My wife funds my STI and sits in the passenger looking all pretty...I like that.
she have a sister? or a mother?
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My wife funds my STI and sits in the passenger looking all pretty...I like that.
Sooooo effing jealous... I want a girlfriend that will do that

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Old 10-24-2009, 04:53 PM   #12
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Hahaha, it seems like EVERYONE in different parts of the country are replying to my threads commenting on Ft. Leonard Wood... You know the ironic part of it all... There are ATLEAST 6 other STi's here on base with me and none of them post on NASIOC and only one of them waves back at me when I wave ... I just can't wait to get back to NC... Two more weeks and I'm outta here!

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She is in the garage working out on an exercise bike surrounded by my new FullRace manifold ATP 35r and everything else that goes on the car in a week.
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Old 10-24-2009, 08:34 PM   #15
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\I was at Fort Jackson, Schofield Barracks and Ft. Shafter and yes we joked about Ft. Leonard Wood a friend was from near there in Oklahoma used to fly home to Tinker AFB military hop for free went to basic there.

We take the car skiing NY to Colorado around Christmas. We went fast last year, we are going faster this year..
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Old 08-16-2009, 08:50 AM   #16
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Mmmmmmm wife that drives an STi, why can't all women be like that. Hell i think any women that drives a stick is hot, but an sti. :-)
My wife drives an STI too and has driven a stick for 18 years since I left her in a parking lot in my old GTI and left for the first Gulf War. She killed it a few times and has been doing great since. At one point I bought her a new Audi A4 wagon and we had to shop for a manual.

Interested to see results with this turbo.
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Old 08-16-2009, 09:04 AM   #17
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My wife drives an STI too and has driven a stick for 18 years since I left her in a parking lot in my old GTI and left for the first Gulf War. She killed it a few times and has been doing great since. At one point I bought her a new Audi A4 wagon and we had to shop for a manual.

Interested to see results with this turbo.
Well my results with the 20G are in the "Official Road Dyno" post in proven power bragging. I was just short of 400 WHP. The front mount IC and G/S x-over would have put me there. That was on meth. So I should be able to hit 400 easy with this turbo.

Here is the thread (more people will start posting results once it gets colder out):

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...ight=road+dyno

Here is the top 10 (#5 is actually turboge (Braden @ XPTTuning) on Blouch TD05 8CM^2 20G - 08 STi - E85):

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...06&postcount=2

My TQ is low because I only had one week of meth before the nozzle blew out and that was my third map (I was working on the upper end first). It pulled timing down low (I had it setup to pull more than stock) and had not added back in until after 5k RPM. I have a few logs on meth with lower resolution where I hit close to 400 WTQ, but that was the best power run I had on file.

The ones I had without Meth were a best of 360 WHP and 370ish WTQ. This Kamak turbo should perform like the greens in the list there.

Also, my wife's car (Tess) is in the list. 305 WHP. The road dyno reads like a Mustang dyno (depending on calibration); lower than a dynojet from my experience.

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the TEC 20g is more like a green... Btw my small 20g put down 340hp and 375tq
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Old 08-14-2009, 12:26 PM   #19
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Nice Wes. I was doing around 350 on my TD05 8cm^2 20G on gas with the topmount according to the road dyno.

The TEC 20G can't be any better than a Blouch. It does not have the same Green upgrade parts either.

How are you liking the STi? Totally different than a WRX huh?
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I bought one.
Its not chinese crap, its taiwanese crap...big difference.
I hear that some names in import tuning get their turbos from them and then use their "rebranding" service and sell them as their own. Don't ask me, no law suits here.
Nissan crowd has run them with success for a while. Friend with a sylvia is going in his third year with one.

and as someone else said, just by the rebuild kit from them.
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I bought one.
Its not chinese crap, its taiwanese crap...big difference.
I hear that some names in import tuning get their turbos from them and then use their "rebranding" service and sell them as their own. Don't ask me, no law suits here.
Nissan crowd has run them with success for a while. Friend with a sylvia is going in his third year with one.

and as someone else said, just by the rebuild kit from them.
Yes Kamak is based in Taiwan. I did a bit more research and saw the same comments about the US builders using Kamak parts (or re-branding). The EVO/DSM guys and Nissan guys are loving them.

I am sold.

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/newb...-10-turbo.html

That guy had all the Kamak parts on his EVO except the exhaust housing and bent a rod. Turbo was fine though. Definitely sold after doing more research. Looks like there is finally a good alternative to the cheap Chinese turbos. I have been to Taiwan and I trust parts made in Taiwan.

A green for 1150? No problem! I can even use some Kamak parts from them to rebuild my small 20g. Also, it is awesome that they carry actuators, and all the other parts to build or fix your own turbo. They do balance the bolt on turbos as well.

Although I have to wait for my b-day which is in October.

Nissan guys:

http://az240sx.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=42168

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Although I have to wait for my b-day which is in October.
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It's exciting to see other turbo options that are similar to overpriced name brand ones. Keep up the R&D for us!
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another option is to get the japanese venue and get Kinugawa brand. it's about the same cost and they have a Td06SL hotside and the 20g comp wheel... turbine is also 8cm. If I didnt't run out of time I was going to take that route myself....

so gabe, you don't by chance have a used STI turbo in good condition laying around do you? after all, when I was helping with your WRX tunes with the testing and logging hook a brotha up.

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another option is to get the japanese venue and get Kinugawa brand. it's about the same cost and they have a Td06SL hotside and the 20g comp wheel... turbine is also 8cm. If I didnt't run out of time I was going to take that route myself....

so gabe, you don't by chance have a used STI turbo in good condition laying around do you? after all, when I was helping with your WRX tunes with the testing and logging hook a brotha up.

T
Good idea, I'll look into that. I sold my stock turbo a long time ago.

Gabe

Edit: Those turbos seem like they may be made by the same manufacturer (Kamak) with their re-branding service.

http://cgi.ebay.com/TD06SL-20G-Upgra...4.c0.m14.l1262

This is 200 more dollars for the same thing. The pics are identical, except for the nameplate. Looks like we found the distributor and the lowest price Green!

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