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Old 02-27-2010, 06:05 PM   #1
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Are fender braces legal in the street modified class in SCCA?
Read the rule book twice now and it doesn't seem that it is outlawed.
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Old 02-27-2010, 06:37 PM   #2
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I was under the impression that pretty much anything goes in Street Modified. Is that not the case?
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Old 02-27-2010, 06:49 PM   #3
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Are fender braces legal in the street modified class in SCCA?
Read the rule book twice now and it doesn't seem that it is outlawed.
I'm 99.9% it is not legal. The rules are written such that if it isn't mentioned as legal, it isn't allowed. I think 17.2B under Prepared class is where it would be legal.

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Not the case at all.
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Old 02-27-2010, 07:42 PM   #4
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I'm 99.9% it is not legal. The rules are written such that if it isn't mentioned as legal, it isn't allowed. I think 17.2B under Prepared class is where it would be legal.



Not the case at all.

OK, yes many people are under the impression that SM is a catch all, but that is not correct.

Thanks Ruff, let me check 17.2 again...
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Old 02-27-2010, 08:03 PM   #5
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really whos going to contest something they will never see. And your really only upgrading whats already there. You have increased spring rates that you need the additional bracing 10k+ springs?
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Old 02-27-2010, 08:51 PM   #6
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really whos going to contest something they will never see. And your really only upgrading whats already there. You have increased spring rates that you need the additional bracing 10k+ springs?
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Old 02-27-2010, 08:25 PM   #7
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yep 11k, 9k springs on cusco coilovers... It may not really provide that much difference but its not expensive to do...
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Old 02-27-2010, 09:32 PM   #8
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Fender braces are illegal in SM. If you had an STI you could put on the stiffer 07 STI ones via UD/BD though
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Old 02-27-2010, 11:44 PM   #9
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Today I was asked about why I didn't upgrade my fender braces while putting on my new GC/Koni suspension and my lame excuse was that it wasn't SM legal for SCCA autox.

Hey, when are we going to get an SM sticky thread? Someone start one so I don't have to rely on the ESP/BSP/DSP/FSP/Project Mccanixxx build threads for what works and blah blah blah....

fwiw, 285/30/18 v710 on 18x10 +30 worked on my WRX Wagon today. This was with camber and caster maxed on GC camber/cater plates an slightly lower than stock ride height. They do stick out from the fender a wee bit though LOL!

And how about turbo choice.?.?.? I have a vf43 and I love the fast spool but what can give me that low end with more power on a built 2.5?

See, we need a sticky thread!!!
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Old 02-28-2010, 12:11 AM   #10
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Fender braces are illegal in SM. If you had an STI you could put on the stiffer 07 STI ones via UD/BD though

At a local meet its not going to be challenged, at a national meet, its definitely going to be challenged. It is illegal, I've confirmed it with several people now.

Mulva, I'll pm a mod I know and see what I can get done about that. I'd like to see one too.
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Old 02-28-2010, 12:29 AM   #11
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Mulva, I'll pm a mod I know and see what I can get done about that. I'd like to see one too.
Nice!!! I think we deserve one and I think a serious effort with the Impreza platform can make some noise nationally. Locally/Regionally, I see a lot of Impreza's in SM and a good sticky here can really help us out if we want to stay in class and be competitive.

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Old 03-04-2010, 02:03 AM   #12
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Fender braces are illegal in SM. If you had an STI you could put on the stiffer 07 STI ones via UD/BD though
Can someone confirm this is true? If so, how much of a difference would this make on an 06 STI?
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Old 02-28-2010, 12:56 AM   #13
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+1 for a SM thread! I would love to find out what others are doing compared to me
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Old 02-28-2010, 11:17 PM   #14
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Well, we're stickied now!!!

Here's what I'm going with this season:

2002 WRX Wagon

257 short block
205 heads
vf43
STi TMIC
STi 565cc "pink" fuel injectors
Walbro 255lpm fuel pump
Full 3" Turboback w/ HiFlow Cat
Catless Uppipe
Cobb AP1 w/ Protune @ 18psi 310tq/280hp
Samco inlet
Stock Airbox
Stock Solenoid

Ground Control Complete Coilover Kit w/Koni 8611 DA's
Eibach Springs 800 lb front/600 lb rear
Ground Control Camber Plates f/r
Hotchkis 25mm hollow sways f/r
Hotchkis solid endlinks front
Kartboy solid endlinks rear
Whiteline Rear Strut Mount Brace
Whiteline Rear Adjustable Control Arms and Lateral Links

2007 STi 6MT
ACT HD Street Clutch
ACT StreetLite Flywheel
Carbonetic Rear 1.5 way LSD
TiC Klunk Killer (race)
TiC Tranny crossmember bushings
Kartboy Shifter bushings
Cusco Engine/Transmission mounts
Whiteline Steering Rack Bushings

Centric Rotors
Hawk HP+ Pads
ATE Brake Fluid

Rota SVN-R 18x10 +30
Kumho V710 285/30/18
OZ Allegarritta 17x8
Dunlop Star Spec 245/40/17 (flood conditions )

Odyssey PC680MJ Battery

Camber: -3.3* front/-2.2* rear
Caster: 3.5*
Toe: 0
Ride height: 14.3" front/14.2" rear


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Old 03-10-2010, 03:12 PM   #15
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+1 for a SM thread! I would love to find out what others are doing compared to me
why? your car is stupid fast already
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Old 03-01-2010, 01:12 AM   #16
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The GC plates are great! When I first put them on with the stock camber bolts I was around -5 degrees in front hahaha. Copied over from my IWSTI journal

Engine Mods
- Custom rotated mount uppipe and downpipe
- Garrett gt3076r .63 ar turbo jethot coated
- Tial 44mm wastegate
- Tial Q BOV
- PTP turbo blanket
- Custom 4” intake
- Gruppe-S equal length header
- Turbosmart Dual Stage MBC
- Perrin FMIC with stock bumper beam
- Perrin lightweight crank pulley
- Walbro 255lph fuel pump
- 07 STI top feed fuel rails
- 07 STI tgv deletes
- Hondata intake manifold gaskets
- RC engineering 1200cc injectors
- Full 80mm Magnaflow Ti catback exhaust with Burns Stainless mufflers
- Crawford Performance air/oil separator
- Hydra Nemesis full standalone
- Tune by Mike Warfield(GST Motorsports) on E85 fuel
- Odyssey pc680 battery
Suspension
- Ground Control coilovers with Eibach and Hypercoil springs
- koni 8611 double adjustable shocks
- Ground Control camber plates front and rear
- Whiteline 27-29mm swaybar front and rear
- Kartboy rear endlinks
- Group N lateral link bushings
- Superpro trailing arm bushings
- Whiteline roll center adjusters
- Whiteline caster bushings
Driveline
- ACT hd street clutch
- ACT streetlight flywheel
- Group N motor and transmission mounts
- TIC race rear differential bushings
- TIC outrigger bushings
- Cusco type rs 1.5 way rear LSD
Exterior
- Genuine V-limited front lip
- Rolled and pulled front fenders
- Extreme pull on rear fenders
- Passenger side foglight housing
Interior
- Sparco Evo2 driver side seat
- Sparco Pro2000 passenger seat
- Buddyclub super low down seat rail(driver)
- Wedge engineering/Sparco rails/sliders with aluminum sidemounts(passenger)
- Innovate Motorsports LC-1 wideband with XD-16 gauge
- Defi BF boost and oil pressure gauges with controller
- ATI gauge pod
- Rear seat removed
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- SSR Type C RS 18x10.5” with Hoosier A6 295/30/18 tires
- Stoptech front rotors
- Hawk HP+ pads front and rear

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Old 03-01-2010, 11:47 AM   #17
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The GC plates are great! When I first put them on with the stock camber bolts I was around -5 degrees in front hahaha.

Yeah, my 5 year old son asked what was up with my broken wheels. With the skinny 205 all-seasons on the car right now it just looks weird.

I only took about a 20 mile ride since putting the coilovers on but the Koni DA's aren't that bad with the big spring rates. I haven't messed with the damping yet so it might be set to full soft, but still I was expecting these to be harsh from what Marc from GC was describing to me.

Your car looks very set up even for SM. Sick!!! I'm getting there, but I'm going to see how I do with my current setup before putting more $$ into it. What's your power band like with the rotated 3076 and E85? Last year I was on street tires with 1.4* camber and RCE springs so stage 2 STi power (93 octane) was plenty but with everything stiffer, more camber, and big r-comps, I may be able to use more power than I have now. My local courses are mostly asphalt though.
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Old 03-01-2010, 08:29 PM   #18
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HKS hipower exhaust
ERZ downpipe(heatwrapped)
Gutted up-pipe
FP td-05 18G
2008 STI intercooler fit to work with sti scoop and splitter bellows
DW 750 Injectors
1 step colder iridium spark plugs
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UTEC tuned by my future father in-law via UTI (Jeff's software)
GMS aftamaf and turbo inlet
Perrin Radiator shroud
Cobb turbo heatshield
Wlabro 255
Innovate LM-1 Wideband
Currently running Hallman MBC but will be switching to grimmspeed ebcs


Suspension and Brakes :

Cusco zero 2r coilovers 11k, 9k springs
Eibach Camber bolts
Goodridge SS brake lines
04 STI Front Brembo brakes
DBA 400 series slotted rotors and EBC yellow stuff pads

Wheels and tires:

Drag DR-31 gunmetal 17x9
Yokohama Advan A032R 255/40/17

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Old 03-02-2010, 11:47 PM   #19
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Your car looks very set up even for SM. Sick!!! I'm getting there, but I'm going to see how I do with my current setup before putting more $$ into it. What's your power band like with the rotated 3076 and E85? Last year I was on street tires with 1.4* camber and RCE springs so stage 2 STi power (93 octane) was plenty but with everything stiffer, more camber, and big r-comps, I may be able to use more power than I have now. My local courses are mostly asphalt though.

I can get full spool around 3800 rpm and keeps pulling to redline. It's about as big of a turbo as I would run for autox. If e85 was available when I did all this turbo stuff, I probably woulda just stuck with my stock turbo or maybe an 18g or something. e85 is fun stuff

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Old 03-03-2010, 11:46 AM   #20
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I can get full spool around 3800 rpm and keeps pulling to redline. It's abnout as big of a turbo as I would run for autox. If e85 was available when I did all this turbo stuff, I probably woulda just stuck with my stock turbo or maybe an 18g or something. e85 is fun stuff
Sounds nuts!!! Unfortunately, NJ doesn't have any e85 stations. I am however, in the process of selling my home and moving to the Philly area where I think there are a couple e85 stations close by. When I revisit power mods I had my eye on a Blouch TD05H-18G 8cm with bigger injectors, TMIC, catless downpipe, intake, boost control, and possibly EWG. It would give me a fatter powerband with higher peak numbers but it's expensive. I'm probably going to ditch the AP v1 and do something else for EM also. I would LOVE to have GT3076r type power though so now what do I do LOL?!?
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Old 03-10-2010, 03:26 PM   #21
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The GC plates are great! When I first put them on with the stock camber bolts I was around -5 degrees in front hahaha. Copied over from my IWSTI journal

Engine Mods
- Custom rotated mount uppipe and downpipe
- Garrett gt3076r .63 ar turbo jethot coated
- Tial 44mm wastegate
- Tial Q BOV
- PTP turbo blanket
- Custom 4” intake
- Gruppe-S equal length header
- Turbosmart Dual Stage MBC
- Perrin FMIC with stock bumper beam
- Perrin lightweight crank pulley
- Walbro 255lph fuel pump
- 07 STI top feed fuel rails
- 07 STI tgv deletes
- Hondata intake manifold gaskets
- RC engineering 1200cc injectors
- Full 80mm Magnaflow Ti catback exhaust with Burns Stainless mufflers
- Crawford Performance air/oil separator
- Hydra Nemesis full standalone
- Tune by Mike Warfield(GST Motorsports) on E85 fuel
- Odyssey pc680 battery
Suspension
- Ground Control coilovers with Eibach and Hypercoil springs
- koni 8611 double adjustable shocks
- Ground Control camber plates front and rear
- Whiteline 27-29mm swaybar front and rear
- Kartboy rear endlinks
- Group N lateral link bushings
- Superpro trailing arm bushings
- Whiteline roll center adjusters
- Whiteline caster bushings
Driveline
- ACT hd street clutch
- ACT streetlight flywheel
- Group N motor and transmission mounts
- TIC race rear differential bushings
- TIC outrigger bushings
- Cusco type rs 1.5 way rear LSD
Exterior
- Genuine V-limited front lip
- Rolled and pulled front fenders
- Extreme pull on rear fenders
- Passenger side foglight housing
Interior
- Sparco Evo2 driver side seat
- Sparco Pro2000 passenger seat
- Buddyclub super low down seat rail(driver)
- Wedge engineering/Sparco rails/sliders with aluminum sidemounts(passenger)
- Innovate Motorsports LC-1 wideband with XD-16 gauge
- Defi BF boost and oil pressure gauges with controller
- ATI gauge pod
- Rear seat removed
Wheels/Brakes
- SSR Type C RS 18x10.5” with Hoosier A6 295/30/18 tires
- Stoptech front rotors
- Hawk HP+ pads front and rear

Karlton
How much does your car weigh Karlton?
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Old 03-11-2010, 06:36 PM   #22
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3122
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Old 03-12-2010, 12:18 PM   #23
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Woah!

My car is 2700lbs with speakers, headunit, and a huge battery. (mostly due to the L roof/headliner and aluminum hood.)
Personally I think I'm going to build it with 275s in mind.

Eventually I'll try to get more lighter things like L-arms, lateral arms Aluminum, etc. I have a PC680 ready to be put in, just have been too lazy to figure out the right size J-hooks I need to mount it.

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Old 03-13-2010, 10:15 AM   #24
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Eventually I'll try to get more lighter things like L-arms, lateral arms Aluminum, etc. I have a PC680 ready to be put in, just have been too lazy to figure out the right size J-hooks I need to mount it.
Autozone sells 9" J hooks with lots of thread. I used those and stood the battery upright in the stock battery tray with the stock tie down. If you're not driving it everyday I highly recommend a battery tender. I left it for a week and it didn't have enough power to start the car . Stupid me.

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stickied we are.

Lets see a couple more setups and I'll be posting mine shortly
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