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Old 03-16-2010, 08:46 AM   #1
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Originally making its name creating stupendously powerful Dodge Vipers, Hennessey Performance has recently had its hand in massaging everything from Lincolns and Cadillacs to Challengers and Camaros. But the Texas-based tuner has even bigger plans for the future including a car of its own creation . . . well, sort of.

Shown in this teaser image, the Hennessey Venom GT won’t be unveiled until March 30, but after speaking with John Hennessey himself, we have some exclusive details prior to the launch. Based on the Lotus Elise/Exige, the Venom GT will cast a much larger footprint—about 18 inches longer and 12 inches wider than the production Elise. Its mid-engine configuration will employ a rear track similar to that of the Ford GT since the Venom will use the same Ricardo six-speed transaxle.

Power will come from a Hennessey-tuned 6.2-liter LS9 V-8 engine borrowed from the beastly Chevy Corvette ZR1. It’ll be served in 725-, 1000-, and 1200-hp helpings which should make for an interesting ride, being that through the use of carbon-fiber body panels and doors, Hennessey claims the Venom GT will weigh under 2400 pounds, wet! That’ll give these cars power-to-weight ratios comparable to the current crop of downright lethal sport bikes. All of that speed will be scrubbed though a carbon-ceramic brake system.

Hennessey says that its prototype is currently being tested in Europe and will most likely make a North American debut at Pebble Beach this August. While an accurate price is still off in the distance future, we’re told to expect the Venom GT to start north of the $600,000-mark. Whatever the price, based on Hennessey’s latest creations, we expect it’ll make for one wild ride.

A teaser video, complete with sketches and over-dramatized music, is below.
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Sorry, but this is just another useless car to me. Seems anybody can take a LS-whatever, and stick in into a light weight body and make a super car. Not much originality left. What makes you special? Not the amount of HP, big deal.. those numbers are cliche at best. Even with 1000 HP, it will not be much faster than a car with 600 HP, so who really cares unless your doing a 180 - 220 mph sprint.

Here is a novel idea... make a car light, beautiful, reliable, RWD, that handles incredibly with 250 HP, and make it cost less than 35000 dollars. THAT would be a super car. Seems the only companies that get that are Toyota/Subaru with their joint coupe.

This Hennessy thing is just an also ran. Lost in the pack of other LS powered kit cars.
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Sorry, but this is just another useless car to me. Seems anybody can take a LS-whatever, and stick in into a light weight body and make a super car. Not much originality left. What makes you special? Not the amount of HP, big deal.. those numbers are cliche at best. Even with 1000 HP, it will not be much faster than a car with 600 HP, so who really cares unless your doing a 180 - 220 mph sprint.

Here is a novel idea... make a car light, beautiful, reliable, RWD, that handles incredibly with 250 HP, and make it cost less than 35000 dollars. THAT would be a super car.
My thoughts exactly........ Every other day, someone is coming out with a "supercar".........
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Sorry, but this is just another useless car to me. Seems anybody can take a LS-whatever, and stick in into a light weight body and make a super car. Not much originality left. What makes you special? Not the amount of HP, big deal.. those numbers are cliche at best. Even with 1000 HP, it will not be much faster than a car with 600 HP, so who really cares unless your doing a 180 - 220 mph sprint.

Here is a novel idea... make a car light, beautiful, reliable, RWD, that handles incredibly with 250 HP, and make it cost less than 35000 dollars. THAT would be a super car. Seems the only companies that get that are Toyota/Subaru with their joint coupe.

This Hennessy thing is just an also ran. Lost in the pack of other LS powered kit cars.
Welcome to the forum Mr. Clueless. Yea, anybody can manufacture a 1000 hp super car. You can't be that ignorant. There is so much more to it than building a motor that makes 1000 hp. Surely you understand that and are just be facetious.

I do understand that someone could complain that these cars lack relevancy, especially from someone like Hennessey. There will be no trickle down of technology or any other benefit for the rest of us. Frankly, I'm not sure Hennessy can pull it off or that it will be a great car, but we'll see.
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I'm not a Hennessey fan at all, but this is pretty cool.

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SEven with 1000 HP, it will not be much faster than a car with 600 HP, so who really cares unless your doing a 180 - 220 mph sprint.
umm. . . you've never been in either or seen either go at it have you?

here's a 605bhp car vs. a 850rwhp car.
YouTube- Heffner Twin Turbo Gallardo VS Porsche Carrera GT
here's a 630bhp car vs. a 690rwhp car
YouTube- Doug Levin TT Gallardo vs. Corvette ZR1
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Sorry, but this is just another useless car to me. Seems anybody can take a LS-whatever, and stick in into a light weight body and make a super car. Not much originality left. What makes you special? Not the amount of HP, big deal.. those numbers are cliche at best. Even with 1000 HP, it will not be much faster than a car with 600 HP, so who really cares unless your doing a 180 - 220 mph sprint.

Here is a novel idea... make a car light, beautiful, reliable, RWD, that handles incredibly with 250 HP, and make it cost less than 35000 dollars. THAT would be a super car. Seems the only companies that get that are Toyota/Subaru with their joint coupe.

This Hennessy thing is just an also ran. Lost in the pack of other LS powered kit cars.
I don't like Hennessy much, but you have no idea what you're talking about.


White out those Gallardos sound amazing
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Here is a novel idea... make a car light, beautiful, reliable, RWD, that handles incredibly with 250 HP, and make it cost less than 35000 dollars. THAT would be a super car. QUOTE]

Like an s2000?
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Here is a novel idea... make a car light, beautiful, reliable, RWD, that handles incredibly with 250 HP, and make it cost less than 35000 dollars. THAT would be a super car.
Like an s2000?
exactly what i was thinking

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get over it. if you want a 250hp car that is focused on handling, go get an s2000.
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Sorry, but this is just another useless car to me. Seems anybody can take a LS-whatever, and stick in into a light weight body and make a super car. Not much originality left.
While I don't disagree with you... if I had infinite dollars, I would want nothing more than to build a supercar... and I would do pretty much what Hennessey did here. Except mine probably would have went with either the stock LS9 or maybe just a slightly massaged one. Or an LS7 with a valvetrain built to rev into the stratosphere, more likely. And maybe I would have went with a tube frame or mononoque instead of repurposing a Lotus.
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If they can get the pricetag to under 30K then sign me up :dancebanana:
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I tend to agree with scrappy here. I mean really, meh. Big HP cars are just not that much fun to drive. Even on a track 800,1000, 1200 hp is pretty much useless. The only thing I can see this car being used for is the Texas mile or the salt flats.
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ding ding, we have a live one here...They are pointless. How many times have you read about a 1000 HP car doing 0-60 in 2.8 seconds and at the same time a 600 HP car can do it in guess what 2.8 seconds. It is all irrelevant, as you cannot use that power on the streets.

White out you can post all those pointless lonely hwy drag races all you want, as you are just proving my point. In real world driving on real roads, it is pointless power. ON most tracks it is pointless power. Those kind of numbers only cater to people who like to brag about how much HP they have. Can you put 1000 HP to the ground effectively in a RWD car in something other than a highway roll race for people who cannot drive...um, NO. But judging by your videos, you think that racing from a 60 mph roll is important. You must live your live 1/4 mile at a time. That gallardo vs carrera GT race is the definition of pointless.

robertrinaustin... I truly feel sorry for you if you think getting 1000 HP out of a 6.2 liter supercharged engine is impressive. Really. You do know that people were making that kind of HP in the 60's with all iron blocks. You obviously have a very romantic view of what a car actually is. It is just metal and bolted together components. If you are a halfway decent engineer, you can work out the roll center, center of gravity, suspension geometry, etc. There is nothing magical about it. Buy an engine from somebody else and tune it an presto, I am a super car maker.

This Hennessey thing will just be another bolted together parts bin car with a half assed interior like the Gumpert. They will blame the crudity and bad fit and finish on rawness and back to basics. But in the end, it will never amount to anything as it is just another faceless car with nothing to make it special.

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mmmm k

I do wonder why it would cost 600 grand using a relatively common base powertrain. Doesn't Hennessey stuff have a tendency to asplode too?
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I do wonder why it would cost 600 grand using a relatively common base powertrain. Doesn't Hennessey stuff have a tendency to asplode too?
If he does not charge enough, people will think it is common and plebeian. You have to remember who is audience is. Men who need a mental penis extension. If anybody can buy it, then it is not special enough and he will not feel more like a man.
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full article, video and press release: http://www.autoblog.com/2010/03/29/h...e-21st-centur/

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It's Embargopalooza tonight at Autoblog, and if there wasn't already enough high-powered hotness to be had, we're throwing one more V8-powered sled into the mix.

We've traveled a long road to get here, but the Hennessey Venom GT has finally arrived after countless reports, spy shots, videos and announcements. If you're suffering from Hennessey fatigue, stop right here. You know most of the story already and have surely weighed-in with your opinion. But if a chopped and lengthened Lotus Elise powered by the Corvette ZR1's supercharged eight piques your interest – and you're looking for a glimpse into the man behind the madness – make the jump for a new take on an age-old equation.
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Actually yeah just like an S2000, or the upcoming FT-86. That is a supercar to me.

these slapped together also ran LS kit cars are just a joke.
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did they steal the butt end off a lotus???
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And the front, as well. Seriously.
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White out you can post all those pointless lonely hwy drag races all you want, as you are just proving my point. In real world driving on real roads, it is pointless power. ON most tracks it is pointless power. Those kind of numbers only cater to people who like to brag about how much HP they have. Can you put 1000 HP to the ground effectively in a RWD car in something other than a highway roll race for people who cannot drive...um, NO. But judging by your videos, you think that racing from a 60 mph roll is important. You must live your live 1/4 mile at a time. That gallardo vs carrera GT race is the definition of pointless.
The great part about the Gallardo is the ability to retain the AWD. So 1k hp is useable on the street, and is accomplished without opening the engine. There's a local running RWD that has no problem running away from just about anything.
The UR Gallardo TT, surpassed 250mph in a standing mile over the weekend. The Power Performance FGT also passed 250mph in the standing mile. So that's very useable power.

I think that you under estimate how much grip tires at 335+ width can be.

I actually prefer 60- 150+ runs.
1/4 mile is boring.
Roadcourses are fun.
Something about racing around cones in a parking lot just isn't fun.

Hence the reason I got rid of the STi.
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Actually yeah just like an S2000, or the upcoming FT-86. That is a supercar to me.

these slapped together also ran LS kit cars are just a joke.
So you like underpowered, small cars, that are nimble. But you pick the S2k. Then say that the non-mainstream hypercars are a joke. . .


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It's based off the Elise with a lengthened chassis.

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The great part about the Gallardo is the ability to retain the AWD. So 1k hp is useable on the street, and is accomplished without opening the engine. There's a local running RWD that has no problem running away from just about anything.
The UR Gallardo TT, surpassed 250mph in a standing mile over the weekend. The Power Performance FGT also passed 250mph in the standing mile. So that's very useable power.

I think that you under estimate how much grip tires at 335+ width can be.

I actually prefer 60- 150+ runs.
1/4 mile is boring.
Roadcourses are fun.
Something about racing around cones in a parking lot just isn't fun.

Hence the reason I got rid of the STi.

So you like underpowered, small cars, that are nimble. But you pick the S2k. Then say that the non-mainstream hypercars are a joke. . .



It's based off the Elise with a lengthened chassis.

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Yeah, 60-150 runs is useful real world. Gotcha. They are useful for races designed to highlight uber high HP cars. Standing mile, floor it and hang on exhibitions of speed....whoopie how thrilling to is it to go fast from a roll in a straight line.

What you call underpowered I call properly powered. They are only underpowered to people who think they need 500HP to have fun, which are usually the same people who like to drag races, do standing mile races, and do 60-150 mph runs..all of which have one thing in common, they can be driven by an educated monkey.

It is more fun to drive a slow car fast than a fast car slow. Since all of these hyper cars have to drive on public roads, they are relegated to slow speeds, and thus are boring, they never get to flex all of that excess muscle 99.99% of the time. So yes, again, I say that they are pointless, with the exceptions of the monkey straight line racing mentioned above.
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Yeah, 60-150 runs is useful real world. Gotcha. They are useful for races designed to highlight uber high HP cars. Standing mile, floor it and hang on exhibitions of speed....whoopie how thrilling to is it to go fast from a roll in a straight line.

What you call underpowered I call properly powered. They are only underpowered to people who think they need 500HP to have fun, which are usually the same people who like to drag races, do standing mile races, and do 60-150 mph runs..all of which have one thing in common, they can be driven by an educated monkey.

It is more fun to drive a slow car fast than a fast car slow. Since all of these hyper cars have to drive on public roads, they are relegated to slow speeds, and thus are boring, they never get to flex all of that excess muscle 99.99% of the time. So yes, again, I say that they are pointless, with the exceptions of the monkey straight line racing mentioned above.
It's funny how you ignore the road-course mention.

It is thrilling to go fast in a straight line, in a fast car.

60-150+ pulls happen in the real world, did one Saturday. Which is a 2nd to middle of 4th pull. So it goes by quick.

You don't think that driving a hyper car on a normal road wouldn't be fun? Or at least put a smile on your face?
Personally, I would much rather be stuck in a morning commute with any hyper car (even the Hennessey) vs. any other car.

I wasn't stating that the S2000's power is low for its class, merely that it is sub-par to other vehicles in its price-point. Light weight, low powered cars can be a lot of fun. Lotus wouldn't be around if they weren't.

But light weight, high powered cars, with a chassis designed for both, would be even more fun. Unfortunately, the high powered cars are much more difficult to control, so many people do shy away.

Besides, if it wasn't for us educated monkeys, everyone would be running around cones at 20mph in 240z's.

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