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Old 06-03-2002, 11:51 AM   #1
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Ahoy hoy,
Ive had my car for about 3 weeks and i washed it yesterday, and wow it looks so puurrrrrrrrrty. The water just beaded off of it, and all dirt/contaminents just came right off. Now my question is, how long should I wait before i strip the old[dealer] wax off and apply my own detailing job. The wax on there, at the moment, is still doing a great job. How do I know when its time to re-polish and wax? Im going to go the Zaino route, can anyone reccoment which products I need? I was thinking ZFX, Z-2, and Z-6, and maybe z-5 down the road. any suggestions/reccomendations? Thanks!

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Old 06-03-2002, 12:17 PM   #2
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I'm in the same situation too! anyone help?
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Old 06-03-2002, 12:20 PM   #3
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Get some clay and clay it to really get the contaminants off. You'll be amazed at the difference.

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Old 06-03-2002, 12:22 PM   #4
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Don't know if this is the right way or not, but you could just wait until you notice that water doesn't bead off as easily as it does now and wax it then. I just got my car a month ago. . .washed it once and used some "quick detailer" spray to bring out the shine and provide some protection on top of the wax.

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Old 06-03-2002, 01:15 PM   #5
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Great move going with Zaino. Just spent the weekend on my wife's car. Time consuming the first pass but the effect is worth it and maintenance is incredibly easy.

If you rub your hands over the paint and it is not smooth as glass pick up their claybar. Don't forget Z6 for removing the dust and pollen, water spots etc. in between washes. And don't forget their carwash and applicators.

It may seem like a lot but it all works together for a common goal and the car will look incredible. Even with all my paint chips the thin Subaru paint looks great and I always get comments

Good luck.
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Old 06-03-2002, 01:18 PM   #6
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My WRX is garage kept and not driven in rain or snow. I waited 10 months for my first wax.
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Old 06-03-2002, 02:18 PM   #7
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My WRX is garage kept and not driven in rain or snow. I waited 10 months for my first wax.
I have to drive in the rain/snow/mud , so I waxed my car a month after delivery and then every 3 months if possible...
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Old 06-03-2002, 04:12 PM   #8
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Unfortunately I parkoutside, because i live in a townhouse development. I have meguiars clay bar, i used it on my toyota camry, but its kind of hard to work with. Maybe I need to try another brand of claybar, I hear the Mother's one is suppose to be nice. Since I washed the car yesterday I'm going to go over it with some quick-detailer...mmm....shiny....

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Old 06-03-2002, 04:53 PM   #9
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I didn't have any dealer wax on mine, unfortunately. First time i washed/waxed/polished it was a bitch and a half to get off most of the dirt cuz it attached itself right to the paint. After the 6 hour job, though, looked great and paint was super smooth. Didn't use claybar but Mother's 3 step thingy (paint cleaner, sealer + glaze, wax). Took out all swirl marks, too!
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Old 06-03-2002, 05:37 PM   #10
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I use the Mother's clay bar, followed by the Zaino car wash, Z-1, Z-2, and Z-5 (swirl remover)
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Old 06-03-2002, 06:16 PM   #11
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dunno who wrote this.. prolly a quote from i-club hehe.. But it should answer your question.



When Should I Wax My Car?
At least 97 percent of today's vehicles come from the factory with clearcoat finishes. Clearcoats contain stabilizers, ultraviolet light blockers and UV light absorbers that help keep vehicle paints looking new longer by preventing oxidation—the chemical breakdown of the upper layer of paint film caused by sunlight, moisture and contaminants in the air.

But clearcoats themselves need attention, too.

"Clearcoats can give drivers a false sense of security by appearing to protect the underlying base coat," Matthew Broderick, group vice president of marketing at Turtle Wax Inc, told Carpoint.

"Clearcoats are fragile and susceptible to scratches, abrasions and swirls. When a clearcoat surface is scratched and pitted as a result of not waxing, the light can't reflect evenly off the surface, which makes the paint look dull."

Most manufacturers recommend that you wax your vehicle twice a year to protect it from damage and maintain the color and shine. Some auto-care suppliers recommend monthly waxing.

"Ideally, a vehicle should be waxed three to four times per year," according to Pennington, to maximize the protection provided by the wax. "A good strategy is to start right before the winter and get on to a three-month cycle."

Waxing your vehicle will help remove paint oxidation and surface dirt, while adding a protective coating. Wax will improve or remove minor damage such as surface scratches or light contaminants and provide a high-luster finish. Again, consult your vehicle's manual for specific recommendations.

The Waxing Process
Basic guidelines to bear in mind:


The paint surface should be cool and not in direct sunlight.
Always wash the vehicle immediately before waxing.
The temperature should be above 50 degrees Fahrenheit and the humidity should be low.
Apply the wax to a small section at a time using either a foam pad or small terry cloth towel.
Apply the wax in overlapping strokes or circular motions.
Wait for a section to dry to a haze before wiping the wax off with soft, terry cloth towels or cloth diapers.
Wipe in both directions, turning the towels often.
Shake the towels to remove accumulated wax.
When finished, wipe the entire vehicle again, paying particular attention to the edges of trim pieces, door jambs and moldings where excess wax may have accumulated.
For additional shine between wax jobs, several manufacturers offer spray-and-wipe products to quickly enhance the vehicle's shine, such as Turtle Wax Emerald Series Premium Detailer and Meguiar's Quik Detailer.

If your vehicle's paint has been damaged, the paint may need additional work requiring the use of other types of products. You should consult a professional detail shop, auto paint repair shop, or car care product manufacturer for advice before using any products that contain abrasives.
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Old 06-03-2002, 06:20 PM   #12
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Omesh, Your car is so new, you have no need for a clay bar application so soon, so you can skip that trauma.

Are you positive that the dealer "waxed" your car before delivery? Mine claimed to have detailed it, but i could tell that they never waxed it.

If you are concerned about the "wax" that they did apply and want to give it your own custom treatment (good thinking!!!), give the car a good bath with "Dawn" dish detergent. Its high alkalyne surfactants will safely strip away any wax.

I too am a Zaino user and you will not be disappointed. One coat of zaino will give a nice mirror shine. Two and you can start seeing better color, texture and detail in the reflections. Three and you can shave by it!

I've had my blue wrx for about a year and used Z2 for the first year and was delighted. This year i am noticed some swirls, so i gave it a good buffing with 3M SMR early in the season and have been using the Z5 exclusively. swirls are absolutely gone and my latest two-coat job looks awesome. I can try to get some pics in the light one day before too much dust settles on it (i too park outside).
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Old 06-03-2002, 06:45 PM   #13
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actually clay bar on a new car isn't a bad idea. It can remove contaminants from shipping (especially if it went by rail) and give you a good base to start with.
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Old 06-03-2002, 10:35 PM   #14
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**Don't use Dawn or other liquid detergents on your paint!**

True, it will remove all traces of wax, but you can buy a Stage 1 cleaner (Mother's Stage 1 Paint Cleaner) that will remove all old wax and oxidation without removing essential oils and other desirable chemicals in the paint (especially brand new paint!). Sure it's a little more involved, but your car will thank in you a couple of years...
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Old 06-04-2002, 01:24 AM   #15
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**Don't use Dawn or other liquid detergents on your paint!**

Both Sal Zaino himself, along with many other folks over at the Autopia forums use Dawn for stripping. Its not as caustic as you think. Sure there are alternatives, but all of them will be similarly potent in order to be able to take off waxes and polishes. you make it sound like you are shampooing the car with Zip Strip!! Don;t scare the fella like that!
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Old 06-04-2002, 03:16 AM   #16
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The Zymol site says clearcoats get burned off in direct sunlight in like 12 months.
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Old 06-04-2002, 10:13 AM   #17
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With a new car almost any wax is going to give you a great shine.
If you don't plan on waxing more than twice a year try one of the polymers. There are many that are one steps. If you wax more often pure carnaubas give a nice warm finish.
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Old 06-04-2002, 10:29 AM   #18
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do the whole Zaino process (including clay bar, you'll be suprised what you find) as soon as you get the chance. not gonna hurt anything and you will have the peace of mind knowing that it was done right.
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Old 06-04-2002, 05:18 PM   #19
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OMESH and TStoWRX, I was in the same situation a little while ago. While I live in SoCal, and have been garaging the car at night, the difference with Zaino is incredible! I bought the car in March, and just Zaino'd it about three weeks ago. Here was my process:

Dawn wash
Clay Bar
Wash with Z7 soap
Z2 with ZFX 'wax'
Z6
Z2 with ZFX 'wax
Z6

At the time my car sounds like yours, the water still beading up from the initial dealer prep. Now for what I experienced, after the clay bar, the surface was very slick, dragging your fingers before clay, the surface was kind of grabby, lot of friction. After the clay the surface was smooth glass, a lot less friction, felt incredibly slick. After applying Z2, well let me tell you I have not, nor has anyone else who has touched the car felt anything like it before. I have never felt anything this smooth and friction-less in my life (expect for a new oiled bearing, but left the oil on the my fingers). It is like the paint has been coated in this clear and very slick plastic. I have the WR Pearl Blue, so I didn't notice much of an improvement in the shine of the paint as a number of people have (I'm sure on an older car the result would be amazing, but new, it just keeps it looking new. I know this because I didn’t wax the passenger side doors because they are getting re-painted soon). Now water is afraid to even stick to the surface. Road dust and dirt just wipe off, and bird droppings practically wipe off with a towel, even after they have dried for the whole day. The have only two words of caution about using Zaino, one is your wallet, and the other is never sit on you car or lean against it, you will only slide off and break an arm or leg . This stuff is truly amazing. So my bottom line to you is go ahead and Zaino your cars as soon as you can. There is no rush if your car is new, but once you switch you will be amazed at this product.

Last $.02: the initial 'waxing' took about 3 hours from start to finish, with a couple of breaks to let the Z2 dry. Now each time I wash the car it takes half as long as before Zaino, plus if I kept it cleaner, then I could probably just dust off the car, and apply the Z6 weekly to keep it up. The Z6 reminds me of Rain-X, even kind of smells like it, but it appears to be keeping up the finish.

Here is a good site (actually where I get my Zaino from, since they are local):
LA Zaino
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Old 06-04-2002, 06:38 PM   #20
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omesh...

I agree totally with Subayai WRX.

But in your original post where you said "and maybe z-5 down the road", the Z5 is a swirl remover, and it is not as optically bright as Z2. It does not remove swirl marks, it fills them in, so they won't be seen. You should follow all of Subayai WRX's instructions, but use as many coats of Z5 (I believe Zaino recommends up to 5 or so) before using the Z2. Yes, you can use Z5 after Z2, but then you should finish up with the Z2 because of it's better optics.

I would also add a Z18 clay bar, and Z7 wash. While you're at it, pick up a couple of his #314 polish applicators. He guarantees that they're made of 100% cotton, and won't scratch your paint. I think he throws one in for free if your total is over $25.00.

ZFX is not a necessity, but it does speed up application time, and that might be critical in your situation. If you don't use ZFX, you'll need to pick up some Z1 Polish Lok to put on first. Don't wipe off the Z1, just put your Z5, or Z2 directly over it. Wait until both coats are dry, then towel off.


Lastly...make sure you use 100% cotton towels (bath size) to remove the Z5, Z2, Z6. Use USA made brands such as Cannon. Remove the banding around the edges of the towel...it will scratch. They make removal unbelievably easy.
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Old 06-07-2002, 12:46 AM   #21
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Where do you buy Zaino? Pep Boys or the like?
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Old 06-07-2002, 01:05 AM   #22
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Where do you buy Zaino? Pep Boys or the like?
Hi, I believe Zaino is only available online directly thru them or their distributors. Zaino Bros

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