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Old 11-06-2010, 09:29 AM   #1
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Default Cold weather clutch issue?

Last January I had an issue with my clutch slipping badly very suddenly, It literally wasn't slipping at all the night I parked it and the next morning it Began to slip pulling out of the parking space.

I live in Florida and the night before it happen was probably the coldest of the season, in the low 30's

I found it strange that the clutch would be gone so suddenly since I was under the impression clutches seem to show subtle signs of failure before they completely fail.

I checked the fluid level and it was full, but I bled the fluid and refilled. This caused a mild improvement but the clutch was still slipping very badly no matter how slowly I would drive, in all gears.

I ended up attempting to drive the car to a mechanic who was nearby. This was extremely difficult and I received a lot of horn honks from people who thought i was just driving slowly on purpose. Miraculously, on the way there the clutch completely restored itself to the point where I could not get it to slip at all.

Up until today I have not had a single problem with the clutch slipping and even took the car to the track for a few runs without issue. Last night was the first cold front for us here in Florida and sure enough my car is having the same symptoms again!

Whats the deal here? Its almost as if the cold weather is causing some issues with the fluid, but if thats the case people up north would be complaining all the time. Something is preventing the clutch from fully engaging that I believe has to be related to the cold weather, even though it only got to the low 40's so its not like there should be freezing issues.

Any input on how to solve this issue would be greatly appreciated.
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Old 11-07-2010, 10:48 AM   #2
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Bump for much needed advice.
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Old 12-16-2010, 10:18 PM   #3
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BUMP! i live in nyc, past two weeks temps been in the 20s...

im experiencing very similiar problems but not as bad, also clutch feels like its grabbing better once the car warms up...
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Old 12-17-2010, 03:54 AM   #4
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Mine did the same thing i live in oklahoma
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Old 12-17-2010, 07:53 PM   #5
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Mine has been doing the same thing, although it didn't do this last winter.
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Old 02-17-2011, 02:42 PM   #6
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same has been happening to my car, dead bump btw...
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Old 02-17-2011, 08:05 PM   #7
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Change your clutch fluid.

Theoretically....
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Old 02-17-2011, 08:13 PM   #8
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haha mine did the same thing would slip only when cold.... it lasted like that about 4 months and kept getting worse and worse then i took it out and replaced it the clutch was toast....
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Old 02-17-2011, 10:49 PM   #9
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It most likely is just a worn clutch that is coming up as the cold weather hits. When it gets cold the metal contracts and makes it not grip as well. For some all you may need to do is slip the clutch a few times and heat the clutch up to operating temperature. If you continue to have issues then that just means that your clutch is worn out and the cold brings that issue to the surface. It sucks but that's the way it goes, the same issue happened to me in Oklahoma recently with temps that reached 20 below with the windchill. And you guessed it I checked and my clutch was pretty warn. With it being warm today my car was acting just the same as it usually does.
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Old 02-18-2011, 02:18 AM   #10
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Yea my clutch went out its just worn out u need to replace the clutch
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Old 11-10-2012, 12:17 PM   #11
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I have been battling this same issue for a year now. When below 60 degrees F when engaging the clutch (letting pedal out in gear) it feels like it is only grabbing about half way, slips in all gears at all levels of acceleration - worse in the lower gears. When "slipping" the rpms jump AS WELL AS speed. So maybe this isn't a clutch issue at all. I have had plenty of cars and know what a bad clutch feels like.

First I replaced the slave cylinder, bled clutch fluid. Nothing.
Next replaced the clutch, pressure plate, throwout bearing and re-surfaced the flywheel. The problem still persists.

Sent the car off to a mechanic and they were baffled - said I need a new clutch which obviously isn't the problem. That was 2 months ago, now here I am 4 mechanics later and nobody has ever heard of this issue and can't think of anything. Most mechanics say I need a new clutch.

Did you ever figure this issue out? As soon as it warms up I guess I am going to have to sell the car. I have searched for over a year and cannot find a solution to this. Literally nobody has ever heard of this problem - I've been to two subaru specialists (not dealerships) and they just told me sorry we can't help you.

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Old 11-10-2012, 03:55 PM   #12
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Search input snout repair kit and see what you find...

Some of these cars wear groves into the transmission snout where the throw out bearing rides... If its hanging up on that then theres your problem.

Did you replace the master, i see youve replaced everything else
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Old 11-10-2012, 04:46 PM   #13
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Search input snout repair kit and see what you find...

Some of these cars wear groves into the transmission snout where the throw out bearing rides... If its hanging up on that then theres your problem.

Did you replace the master, i see youve replaced everything else
I've heard of the snout repair kit, but the description of the product doesn't say anything about my current symptoms, so I have never considered it.

No I haven't replaced the master cylinder.

Is this "slipping" actually the clutch? Is driving it in it's current state going to ruin the clutch plate or is something else slipping?

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Old 11-11-2012, 07:05 AM   #14
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I've heard of the snout repair kit, but the description of the product doesn't say anything about my current symptoms, so I have never considered it.

No I haven't replaced the master cylinder.

Is this "slipping" actually the clutch? Is driving it in it's current state going to ruin the clutch plate or is something else slipping?
Nothing else is slipping and the center diff is mechanical, so unless it let go and it sounds like a bucket of pennies in your trans, I would still say clutch...

Just because the clutch is "new" DOESN'T mean it's not BAD... As good as I personally think Exedy IS, there are STILL problem parts that get through...

I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt, I had a POS SPEC clutch in my car FIFTY miles... 5....0.... before I took that pile of crap out... different problem, but just shows that you can't trust anything anymore and you can't trust people (techs) telling you things...

This is why I do as much of my own work as possible and taking on bigger projects all the time... Also why I spend SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO much time here... I guess I'm compelled
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Old 11-11-2012, 12:26 PM   #15
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Nothing else is slipping and the center diff is mechanical, so unless it let go and it sounds like a bucket of pennies in your trans, I would still say clutch...

Just because the clutch is "new" DOESN'T mean it's not BAD... As good as I personally think Exedy IS, there are STILL problem parts that get through...

I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt, I had a POS SPEC clutch in my car FIFTY miles... 5....0.... before I took that pile of crap out... different problem, but just shows that you can't trust anything anymore and you can't trust people (techs) telling you things...

This is why I do as much of my own work as possible and taking on bigger projects all the time... Also why I spend SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO much time here... I guess I'm compelled
The clutch has I'd say about 50 miles on it and is an OEM clutch ordered from Subaru. It felt exactly the same after I replaced it. There is no way it is the clutch.
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Old 11-10-2012, 05:28 PM   #16
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ever thought about the center diff? mine was slippin like that until i changed the center diff. i had a mechanic say it was the clutch but changed that out along with slave and master cylinder and still perdisted till i opened the tranny
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ever thought about the center diff? mine was slippin like that until i changed the center diff. i had a mechanic say it was the clutch but changed that out along with slave and master cylinder and still perdisted till i opened the tranny
I have never considered that. Will take a look at it.
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I have never considered that. Will take a look at it.
let us kno if that was the problem or not
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Old 11-10-2012, 11:46 PM   #19
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so i'm breaking in my brand new exedy oem clutch and having the same exact symptoms. after a few days I realized it stops slipping when the clutch warms up. It's really only in 1st and a little in 2nd. I just had my tranny swapped out too with a rebuilt one so theoretically the center diff should be fine *I hope*.
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so i'm breaking in my brand new exedy oem clutch and having the same exact symptoms. after a few days I realized it stops slipping when the clutch warms up. It's really only in 1st and a little in 2nd. I just had my tranny swapped out too with a rebuilt one so theoretically the center diff should be fine *I hope*.
Did you have a new or resurfaced flywheel installed?
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Did you have a new or resurfaced flywheel installed?
new act streetlite flywheel
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so i'm breaking in my brand new exedy oem clutch and having the same exact symptoms. after a few days I realized it stops slipping when the clutch warms up. It's really only in 1st and a little in 2nd. I just had my tranny swapped out too with a rebuilt one so theoretically the center diff should be fine *I hope*.
yours could be a different issue. i know if u were to rebuild ur tranny for say ur gears ur differential should look normal itherwise that woukd of been brought up. could of busted after, but like i said urs is a diff issue
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thanks. I guess my first step is to check on the fluids and go from there.
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Old 11-11-2012, 07:40 AM   #24
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it just feels like the car is riding the clutch in 1st and a little in 2nd and that friction point is only more noticeable once the car is fully warmed up after driving for a while. maybe pedal adjustment? or slave cylinder? thanks for all the input and to the OP btw.
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Old 11-13-2012, 06:07 PM   #25
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Turned out that both rear axles were disconnected. I don't understand it. The axles and the retaining clips looked fine. They popped right back in place and I wasn't able to get them out with a pry bar - so I hope this won't happen again.

Can anyone offer some insight as to how this could possibly happen? Can they work themselves loose or did the previous owner forget to attach them?
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