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Old 02-05-2011, 04:02 PM   #1
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Old 02-06-2011, 07:28 AM   #2
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Its a good camera to start out with. To me it feels too cheap and plasticy, but I think it is perfect for starters.

Heres a link to it and it includes a kit lens for $600 http://www.42photo.com/pd-productid-...mm_vr_lens.htm. Also the D3100 shoot in 1080P.
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Old 02-06-2011, 08:45 AM   #3
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I'd get it. If you find you really like photography and want to do more with it, you can always upgrade. But there is no point in spending a ton of money at the start and finding out later that you dont enjoy it that much. the 3100 is a good camera. Keep in mind that nikon will come out with the d5100 and probably 2 other DSLR's this year. But the d3100 is pretty new, and at that price range, is quite good.
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Old 02-06-2011, 11:25 AM   #4
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Thanks Fellas,, I am upgrading from a decent 'point and click' in the CANNON G10, that is a nice unit.
I am excited to get that next stage of detail and quality, best thing is I snagged it for free this morning using a load of United air miles ;-)
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Old 02-06-2011, 11:36 PM   #5
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Thanks Fellas,, I am upgrading from a decent 'point and click' in the CANNON G10, that is a nice unit.
I am excited to get that next stage of detail and quality, best thing is I snagged it for free this morning using a load of United air miles ;-)
I feel like you are my long lost brother.... Subaru, Nikon, and United... not sure if life gets any better.
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Old 02-07-2011, 01:54 PM   #6
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ha ha ha know it.... 130K with United last year dude......
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Old 02-09-2011, 08:59 AM   #7
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ha ha ha know it.... 130K with United last year dude......
premier gold as well here! Do you ever make it over the pacific? you must if you have that many miles. Let me know the next time you are in asia.
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Old 02-08-2011, 11:30 AM   #8
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kill yourself...go to heaven and ask God what he would buy (a Canon) then come back to life and buy a Canon.
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The quality of canon seems amazingly top notch, but the ergonomics and my hand never became friends. I bought the nikon d90 and think it is the perfect starter camera for DSLR without needing to upgrade to soon in the future. Whatever you get, photography is a blast and you wont regret it!
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I use Canon, but love both brands. Canon leads over Nikon in features right now. But its always a close game and comes down to personal preference. I currently use the Canon 7D. Which in my opinion is the best bang for the buck right now, even with it being a crop sensor camera. 5dMarkIII will be my next upgrade...
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I use Canon, but love both brands. Canon leads over Nikon in features right now. But its always a close game and comes down to personal preference. I currently use the Canon 7D. Which in my opinion is the best bang for the buck right now, even with it being a crop sensor camera. 5dMarkIII will be my next upgrade...
this is laughable... please explain to me what it leads nikon in? The only thing I can think of is 60fps in video and swivel screens....

If you want better image quality -> Nikon
If you want better autofocus -> Nikon

If you want a swivel screen -> Canon
If you want 60 fps in video -> Canon

Nikon makes the highest MP camera, D3x... Nikon makes the best high ISO camera, D3s.... Nikon has a lot of the functions of the D3 in its two smaller bodies (D700 and D300 (which includes the same autofocus)).... There are many things nikon cameras have have had as far as functions that are JUST starting to be put in canon cameras (time lapse, auto-iso in manual mode, multiple exposures, virtual horizon inside the viewfinder, etc)...

Nikon has had a huge advantage over canon with gadgets, functionality, ergo, settings, and ease of use, while canon kept upping their MP. The sad thing for nikon is that their new cameras dont seem to be very inovative, while canon has caught up to them with the functionality, nikon hasnt been doing much to stay in front. It is a back and forth battle, and I am sure canon will do things in the next couple years to put them ahead of nikon.... and in a couple more years nikon will go ahead again.
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this is laughable... please explain to me what it leads nikon in? The only thing I can think of is 60fps in video and swivel screens....

If you want better image quality -> Nikon
If you want better autofocus -> Nikon

If you want a swivel screen -> Canon
If you want 60 fps in video -> Canon

Nikon makes the highest MP camera, D3x... Nikon makes the best high ISO camera, D3s.... Nikon has a lot of the functions of the D3 in its two smaller bodies (D700 and D300 (which includes the same autofocus)).... There are many things nikon cameras have have had as far as functions that are JUST starting to be put in canon cameras (time lapse, auto-iso in manual mode, multiple exposures, virtual horizon inside the viewfinder, etc)...

Nikon has had a huge advantage over canon with gadgets, functionality, ergo, settings, and ease of use, while canon kept upping their MP. The sad thing for nikon is that their new cameras dont seem to be very inovative, while canon has caught up to them with the functionality, nikon hasnt been doing much to stay in front. It is a back and forth battle, and I am sure canon will do things in the next couple years to put them ahead of nikon.... and in a couple more years nikon will go ahead again.
What you speak of is 99% personal opinion.

But if we are going to toss out personal opinions...

If you want a better lenses -> Canon
If you want to use pro lenses on your cheap body -> Canon (not so much an opinion as it is fact)

Image quality is for sure personal opinion. Both Nikon and Canons internal processing creates a look that is pretty specific. I can tell if a photo was shot with a Nikon or a Canon... and neither suck. I can say that right now I am more amused with how the Nikon looks (just because I have been shooting Canon for years and something new intrigues me).

Autofocus, Canon stepped the game up (finally). The 7D/T2i has gone leaps and bounds above what Canon was using. The AF on my 7D makes my 5D seem like a fisher price camera. The 7D feels right on par with all the newer Nikon stuff I have played with. It was a shame Canon crippled the 5D M2 with the old ass AF system.

It is true that Canon has better video stuff. But IIRC you can get flappy screens on Nikons too... and actually I think Nikon offered it first.

I guess my point is you can't go wrong with either at this point in the game. I went with Canon back in 2003 because at the time Canon was well ahead of Nikon... especially in terms if IQ and low light performance. Nikon has fixed those downfalls, and Canon has fixed the downfalls they had.

The only reason I stick with Canon is because all my L glass. I love my L glass and wouldnt trade it for anything.
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Old 02-09-2011, 05:34 PM   #13
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Nikon vs. Cannon is like Evo vs. Subaru, Intel vs. AMD, Ford vs. Chevy, Nvidia vs. ATI. Both brands are good so get what works best for you. I like my 3100 but I haven't really tried any Cannon SLR cameras either.
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If you want to use pro lenses on your cheap body -> Canon (not so much an opinion as it is fact)
I'm guessing you're basing this on the newer low end cameras not supporting the old style AF/AF-D focusing. But all the pro lenses introduced since 1996 (and many since 1992) are AF-I/AF-S and do work just fine with the lower end cameras. Nikon hasn't introduced a new non AF-S in close to 10 years.

You can mount up and use any F mount lens that Nikon has made since 1959 on a low end Nikon DSLR (minus a few old exotic fisheye lenses that require mirror lockup)

No canon lens made before 1987 will mount on any canon DSLR.
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this is laughable... please explain to me what it leads nikon in? The only thing I can think of is 60fps in video and swivel screens....

If you want better image quality -> Nikon
If you want better autofocus -> Nikon

If you want a swivel screen -> Canon
If you want 60 fps in video -> Canon

Nikon makes the highest MP camera, D3x... Nikon makes the best high ISO camera, D3s.... Nikon has a lot of the functions of the D3 in its two smaller bodies (D700 and D300 (which includes the same autofocus)).... There are many things nikon cameras have have had as far as functions that are JUST starting to be put in canon cameras (time lapse, auto-iso in manual mode, multiple exposures, virtual horizon inside the viewfinder, etc)...

Nikon has had a huge advantage over canon with gadgets, functionality, ergo, settings, and ease of use, while canon kept upping their MP. The sad thing for nikon is that their new cameras dont seem to be very inovative, while canon has caught up to them with the functionality, nikon hasnt been doing much to stay in front. It is a back and forth battle, and I am sure canon will do things in the next couple years to put them ahead of nikon.... and in a couple more years nikon will go ahead again.
Yeah, my 7D has many of the same features as the camera's you mentioned, even the auto focus system of my 7d is comparable with a separate processor just for focusing. I payed $1600 for my camera new.... Thats thousands less than other camera's with the same features... Again, the 7D isn't full frame. But combined with my canon EF-S 15-85mm lens, I am completely satisfied with the images I can capture with the crop sensor.

It does come to personal opinion. And my opinion is yes, canon will lead again when they release 5D MarkIII this year. It will have an upgraded version of the auto focus of the 7d with a 28MP full frame sensor. That will be my next Camera.

I like both brands, but I chose Canon.

Yay for pissing wars...

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I'm guessing you're basing this on the newer low end cameras not supporting the old style AF/AF-D focusing. But all the pro lenses introduced since 1996 (and many since 1992) are AF-I/AF-S and do work just fine with the lower end cameras. Nikon hasn't introduced a new non AF-S in close to 10 years.

You can mount up and use any F mount lens that Nikon has made since 1959 on a low end Nikon DSLR (minus a few old exotic fisheye lenses that require mirror lockup)

No canon lens made before 1987 will mount on any canon DSLR.
What he said...

And also, canon has better lenses? Which lenses are you talking about? I would say they are almost all comparable at this stage. Nikon released updated fast primes this year, which was really their only hole in their lineup....

if you want to talk about "pro" lenses that are better.... how about the 24-70 that destroy's canon's counterpart.... then there are the legendary 14-24 and 200-400 that many canon users use adapters because canon doesnt offer them (200-400 f4 is coming out this year though). all the other pro lenses (minus the 800mm which nikon doesnt offer) are quite comparable, and it is a toss up as to which ones are better.


I am more curious about what "fact" that you are talking about with the lenses is... Virtually all of the lenses can be used on the cheapest nikon camera! More specifically, you wont find any pro lenses without an autofocus motor in the lens! it is only extremely outdated lenses that do not have a motor in the lens that cannot be used on the 2 cheapest nikon bodies. Maybe what you meant to say was "You cannot use the autofocus feature on lenses from the 1980's with the 2 cheapest nikon bodies"

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Yeah, my 7D has many of the same features as the camera's you mentioned, even the auto focus system of my 7d is comparable with a separate processor just for focusing. I payed $1600 for my camera new.... Thats thousands less than other camera's with the same features... Again, the 7D isn't full frame. But combined with my canon EF-S 15-85mm lens, I am completely satisfied with the images I can capture with the crop sensor.

It does come to personal opinion. And my opinion is yes, canon will lead again when they release 5D MarkIII this year. It will have an upgraded version of the auto focus of the 7d with a 28MP full frame sensor. That will be my next Camera.

I like both brands, but I chose Canon.

Yay for pissing wars...

And on me for commenting again
I bought a used D700 (which came out 3 years ago) for 1800 last fall, and it has as all the features (and much more) of your 7d. my D300 cost 1500 new when I bought that which was 2.5 years ago. So in fact, the cameras that I have cost roughly the same as yours..... hardly thousands more expensive (and in one case, cheaper!).

We will check back at years end to see how the new cameras are, but Canon needs to have something better than the 7d autofocus in their 5dmrk3.... the 7d isnt as good as the d700 and d300 autofocus, and the new nikon replacements will have a better autofocus than those.
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What he said...

And also, canon has better lenses? Which lenses are you talking about? I would say they are almost all comparable at this stage. Nikon released updated fast primes this year, which was really their only hole in their lineup....

if you want to talk about "pro" lenses that are better.... how about the 24-70 that destroy's canon's counterpart.... then there are the legendary 14-24 and 200-400 that many canon users use adapters because canon doesnt offer them (200-400 f4 is coming out this year though). all the other pro lenses (minus the 800mm which nikon doesnt offer) are quite comparable, and it is a toss up as to which ones are better.


I am more curious about what "fact" that you are talking about with the lenses is... Virtually all of the lenses can be used on the cheapest nikon camera! More specifically, you wont find any pro lenses without an autofocus motor in the lens! it is only extremely outdated lenses that do not have a motor in the lens that cannot be used on the 2 cheapest nikon bodies. Maybe what you meant to say was "You cannot use the autofocus feature on lenses from the 1980's with the 2 cheapest nikon bodies"



I bought a used D700 (which came out 3 years ago) for 1800 last fall, and it has as all the features (and much more) of your 7d. my D300 cost 1500 new when I bought that which was 2.5 years ago. So in fact, the cameras that I have cost roughly the same as yours..... hardly thousands more expensive (and in one case, cheaper!).

We will check back at years end to see how the new cameras are, but Canon needs to have something better than the 7d autofocus in their 5dmrk3.... the 7d isnt as good as the d700 and d300 autofocus, and the new nikon replacements will have a better autofocus than those.
I was referring to the camera's you mentioned in your post. the D700 competes with the 5dmarkII, because it is full frame. The d300 is more in the same field as the 7D. And if you compare apple to apples, the 7D comes out on top. http://snapsort.com/compare/Canon_EOS_7D-vs-Nikon_D300

And just for fun: http://snapsort.com/compare/Canon_EO...-vs-Nikon_D700

70% more res on the 5d markII over the d700 is pretty important in my book. Although the AF sucks on the 5d compared to the nikon, the 5D does awesome as a portrait camera. Plus its a pretty sweet bragging spot that the 5D MarkII shot the last season of 24 and the entire last episode of House last year. For a camera, thats pretty impressive.

Yes, Nikon has a great auto focusing system, but according to all reviews I've read to date, the 7d 19 point AF system out performs the d300's 51 point AF.

But it still comes down to opinion. And you obviously are very Nikon Bias and don't know much about Canon, as I found out in the few PM's we shared last year when I asked a few canon questions. I chose the 7D after renting the d300s and the 7D because I liked the way it handled better than the d300s and the speed and AF was more what I was looking for. Plus 18MP with very similar low light noise performance as the 12mp on the Nikon was very impressive to me. I used both back to back for 2 days each and shot about 2000 pictures each while I was testing them.

I liked both cameras. 7d just worked better for me. Don't take it so personal. Both brands have their strengths and work better for different people. People pay me good money for my pictures because they like them, and that is the result I wanted. I am less concerned about the route that gets me there, as long as I get there.
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I've never liked canon, they put options that i use a lot burried in menus so i have to scroll through a bunch of stuff to set something that should have been on a button in the first place. Plus Canon has never got their battery issue/power consumption resolved, the last time i shot with a 1Ds mark iV i went through 2 batteries in a half day. I've rarely go through a battery in full day with a nikon. But Canon does make some good lenses and a ton of them. But any camera now days is 10x better than most people need so it really doesn't matter as long as you keep it in auto.
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I've never liked canon, they put options that i use a lot burried in menus so i have to scroll through a bunch of stuff to set something that should have been on a button in the first place. Plus Canon has never got their battery issue/power consumption resolved, the last time i shot with a 1Ds mark iV i went through 2 batteries in a half day. I've rarely go through a battery in full day with a nikon. But Canon does make some good lenses and a ton of them. But any camera now days is 10x better than most people need so it really doesn't matter as long as you keep it in auto.
I do photography professionally now and would never shoot in just "auto" mode I am much more creative than my camera. ( IMO anyway ) My 7D lets me customize all the buttons and menus to everything I want and I have no problems finding what I need. And as far as the battery problem goes, I average about 2000 pictures on each battery. I have a battery grip that holds 2 batteries, so I go for about 4k pictures or 3 hours of HD video before I need to recharge. And my camera shows my battery level in % and how many pictures each battery has taken and how many it should be able to take. So power is no problem at all with my 7D. But even my old Rebel XTI would last for 700 pictures or so on each battery, which is more than enough for me. I havent spent much time with the 1d series, but my 7D is solid and I have absolutely no complaints.

OP - you will love the camera, but as soon as you get used to it you will be wanting something more . Thats the nature of things though and no matter what camera you get, you will always want one better once you get to know the camera you have . Good luck!
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What lense does it come with? For starters I would recommend the Nikon 50mm 1.8 lense. It is super cheap, has a great aperture opening for fast shots, super reliable and is one of the sharper lenses on the market! It is great for alot of different shots, so try and get one, you will love it
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What lense does it come with? For starters I would recommend the Nikon 50mm 1.8 lense. It is super cheap, has a great aperture opening for fast shots, super reliable and is one of the sharper lenses on the market! It is great for alot of different shots, so try and get one, you will love it
I agree, if you need to purchase a lens, this should be your first choice. Awesome lens for the price and great to learn with.
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What lense does it come with? For starters I would recommend the Nikon 50mm 1.8 lense. It is super cheap, has a great aperture opening for fast shots, super reliable and is one of the sharper lenses on the market! It is great for alot of different shots, so try and get one, you will love it
I loved my 50mm 1.8 so much i bought the 50mm 1.4 also.
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I bet they are worlds apart but how do they compare?
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Thx guys, it will be here on the 15th so will take some snaps to trial her out.
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