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Old 02-12-2011, 10:06 AM   #1
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Default WRX based mid-engine roadster from Factory Five Racing

Factory Five Racing is developing a mid-engine, RWD roadster that will use a WRX donor for it's running gear. The car is expected to be about 1800 pounds and have a removable top. The kit price is targeted to be $9,900, plus a donor WRX. See the link for more info: FFR WRX Roadster

Factory Five Racing is the number one seller of Cobra kits, as well as a few other awesome kits.
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Old 02-12-2011, 11:07 AM   #2
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Would be much more interesting if there was actually a rendering.
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Old 02-12-2011, 11:22 AM   #3
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Obviously in early development... give it an optional hardtop and count me in!
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Old 02-15-2011, 06:41 AM   #4
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Obviously in early development... give it an optional hardtop and count me in!
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Old 02-12-2011, 02:25 PM   #5
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Would be much more interesting if there was actually a rendering.
There's apparently a napkin sketch in the link:

http://www.factoryfive.com/whatsnew/...bie-racerA.jpg

Looks to be something like the K1 Attack kit car... before K1 decided to only produce turn keys.

Given that Factory Five makes nice kits, I'm looking forward to this.
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Old 02-12-2011, 02:31 PM   #6
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Would be much more interesting if there was actually a rendering.
They're having a competition to design the body:

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The base dimensions, running gear, and chassis/suspensions work has been determined. The body shape of this two-seater, mid-engined roadster is not finalized and we have decided, in conjunction with Grassroots Motorsports Magazine, to sponsor a body design competition open to the public and hosted by Grassroots Motorsports Magazine. Full details on this competition will be released shortly and submissions dates begin March 1st. Full details will be released on our website shortly.
Here's my submission



I wonder what they'll use for a transmission if it's going to be rwd...

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Old 02-13-2011, 08:44 PM   #7
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I wonder what they'll use for a transmission if it's going to be rwd...
Couldn't they just use the front half of the WRX powertrain (i.e., remove the back shaft)? I assume so since they're calling it a one-donor car...though it will be interesting to see how they swap the steering components, etc. around.

I'll be impressed if they can keep the price near the target. Time to find some WRX engine and trans dimensions and start rendering some ideas if it's going to be a community project...Wonder if they'll retain the top-mount or use something else (air-to-water, etc.)?

Very cool--I hope things work out.
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Old 02-14-2011, 10:27 AM   #8
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They're having a competition to design the body:



Here's my submission



I wonder what they'll use for a transmission if it's going to be rwd...
Is there going to be a public vote on body style? That looks awesome btw. Much more appealing to me than the sketch...
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Old 02-12-2011, 11:22 AM   #9
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Sounds pretty farking cool to me.
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Old 02-12-2011, 02:14 PM   #10
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It's like a 914 with less rust.

SWEEEEET!
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Old 02-12-2011, 02:24 PM   #11
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This sounds awesome. When is this "Moochfest"? Seems like it is usually right around WBM.

edit: the winter open house was today

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Old 02-12-2011, 03:20 PM   #12
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subscribed because its sounds pretty awesome.

hmmm, if a wrx motor could fit, theoretically an STi motor could fit, no?

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Old 02-12-2011, 03:56 PM   #13
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The original "Single Donor" Cobra was an ingenious idea that allowed Factory Five to grow into the company it is today.

I hope this works out just as well for them. I'll be very interested in seeing how the exterior design evolves.

Depending on how much of the donor WRX is used, and if it's designed for a sedan or wagon, or both, it will theoretically be possible to use any Legacy through '99, any Impreza through '07, or even the Forester thru '08 as the donor car.
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Old 02-12-2011, 05:19 PM   #14
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Will that mean the FFR will be competing against the Smyth kit based off of the Jetta? The Jetta one looks like it could be built mild with high mpg, or with the VR6 engines if I read it right.

Similar ideas for body, engine layout, single donor, kit cost, etc...

Hope both find a niche, would be sweet to see some lightweight fun cars out there.
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Old 02-12-2011, 06:02 PM   #15
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Oh?

I need to get a garage and a wrecked WRX.......
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Old 02-12-2011, 06:13 PM   #16
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Who said that there can't be Subaru RWD coupe under $20k and 2000lbs?
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Old 02-13-2011, 12:08 AM   #17
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Who said that there can't be Subaru RWD coupe under $20k and 2000lbs?
I'm not sure if you're serious, I'm hoping not.
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Old 02-12-2011, 06:36 PM   #18
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Sounds like a good project to me.

My only suggestion... give the engine room enough space for an EG33 flat 6.

With some pistons, cams, and turbos... THAT will be an interesting car.

And frankly, to a certain extent... make the space-frame modular, and let people fit the mid-engine-proportioned body that they want.

I have several ideas, coupes, and roadsters.
DeLorean DMC12 updated to today.
Alfa Romeo Tipo 33 Stradale
Porsche 904 Carrera
Faux-rrari 250LM, Dino, or any number of mid-engined bodies, or even the original Dino concept.
Mercedes C111 concept
Marcos Mantis XP
Affordable knock-off of a Porsche Carrera GT, or 918 with boxer power.
Sterling, or newer canopy designs like Maserati Birdcage 75th, or Saab AeroX
Jag XJ13, CX75, XJ220, or XJ15

Or any manner of custom bodies one can imagine for a mid-engined layout.

BTW, Does anybody know if the 2010 Legacy GT cable-shifted 6MT is capable of being converted to lateral-drive only, if parts from a FWD Subaru 5-speed are used?

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Old 02-13-2011, 04:53 AM   #19
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I have several ideas, coupes, and roadsters.
DeLorean DMC12 updated to today.
Alfa Romeo Tipo 33 Stradale
Porsche 904 Carrera
Faux-rrari 250LM, Dino, or any number of mid-engined bodies, or even the original Dino concept.
Mercedes C111 concept
Marcos Mantis XP
Affordable knock-off of a Porsche Carrera GT, or 918 with boxer power.
Sterling, or newer canopy designs like Maserati Birdcage 75th, or Saab AeroX
Jag XJ13, CX75, XJ220, or XJ15
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I'm no lawyer, but the reasons all the Cobra replicas were possible were of a legal nature:
-The Cobra itself was an AC Ace (British car) modified in America with an American engine. This is a complicated origin from a legal standpoint, I think, as far as who ends up claiming OEM of the car, since AC I think was on its way out at the time anyway.
-Once Shelby established his work with the Cobra, I don't think that from a legal standpoint he pursued the replica makers "strong enough" for several decades. He began pursuing them strong enough only in the last decade and legally, if you can't prove you were battling in court "strong enough", you somewhat lose your right to your brand.

A lawyer will probably write the above much better than this engineer can..
Anyway, the same situation will not happen with established companies like Daimler Benz, Alfa Romeo S.P.A (of FIAT Auto, BTW), Dr. Ing. h.c. F. Porsche AG.
These people could unleash such a legal battlestorm if a Factory Five replica of one of their beloved classics appears..... forgetaboutit.

I'm not so sure about Marcos and DeLorean, that may work, especially if the body itself is only an evolution of the original body.

Lancia was at one point going to be wound down by FIAT Auto.
I think this is why the Czech guy that wants to start making Stratos evolved replicas was able to start working towards this.
I wonder if he's going to be pursued legally by the Italian Styling House that styled the Stratos in the first place, even if FIAT will leave him alone.
I want to say that the Stratos was a Bertone.
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Old 02-13-2011, 11:25 AM   #20
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Lancia was at one point going to be wound down by FIAT Auto.
I think this is why the Czech guy that wants to start making Stratos evolved replicas was able to start working towards this.
I wonder if he's going to be pursued legally by the Italian Styling House that styled the Stratos in the first place, even if FIAT will leave him alone.
I want to say that the Stratos was a Bertone.
Actually, Lancia let the trademark lapse. Bertone called up Hrabalek, the Czech guy who was a Stratos collector and 16 at the time, and asked if he knew who owned the rights to the name. He looked into it and found out that nobody owned it so he bought the copyright. So he owns it now which is why he was able to make the new Stratos.

http://www.insideline.com/lancia/str...w-stratos.html
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Old 02-12-2011, 07:30 PM   #21
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I want the original Lancia Stratos... even if it's in replica form. I look into the company that built the one that they had on Top Gear but it uses a lot of different parts from older Fiats, Lancias, and Alfas which would be a PITA to source in the US. There needs to be a cheaper, easier alternative than that
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Old 02-22-2011, 05:10 PM   #22
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I want the original Lancia Stratos... even if it's in replica form. I look into the company that built the one that they had on Top Gear but it uses a lot of different parts from older Fiats, Lancias, and Alfas which would be a PITA to source in the US. There needs to be a cheaper, easier alternative than that
I totally agree. A Stratos Replica would be very welcome.
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Old 02-12-2011, 10:01 PM   #23
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I am going to send this to the head of the dept I am in at school... Trans design at CCS here in the D. Would be cool to have a bunch of design peeps put pen to this.
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Old 02-12-2011, 10:49 PM   #24
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I second the motion for the H6.

6 cyl boxer is yummy.

Oh and btw. Wow. I'm starting my savings account now.
I've been seriously considering a used boxter S. With this coming in at half the weight, it would blow one away.

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Old 02-12-2011, 11:16 PM   #25
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Very very interesting!
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