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Old 07-11-2002, 06:49 PM   #1
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Default H6 DBA rear rotors won't fit WRX?

Is this true? This is what my source is telling me. He says the clearance of the DBA is to large. I thought all I needed was the adapter to extend the caliper out another inch. Anyone?
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Old 07-11-2002, 08:44 PM   #2
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Ive know people have DBA rotors on thier WRXs. Do you have stock wheels??
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Old 07-11-2002, 08:49 PM   #3
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Ive know people have DBA rotors on thier WRXs. Do you have stock wheels??
I specifically said the H6 rotors.
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Old 07-11-2002, 10:20 PM   #4
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Let's clear up what your doing first.

We have 7 different rear rotors for Subaru's, all O.E dimensions.

Do you currently have the standard solid or vented rears now?

These are the standard rears I have listed for your car.

www.dba.com.au/forum/dba_644.pdf (solid )
www.dba.com.au/forum/dba_649.pdf ( vented)
www.dba.com.au/forum/dba_657.pdf (solid )

The upgrades would be,

www.dba.com.au/forum/dba_653.pdf (vented )
www.dba.com.au/forum/dba_655.pdf (vented )
www.dba.com.au/forum/dba_657.pdf (solid )

All rears except for the DBA 655 will fit under STD 16" wheels.
The DBA 644 and DBA 649 are for 15" wheels.

Let mw know if you have any more concerns

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Old 07-11-2002, 10:32 PM   #5
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This is what I want to do. Does DBA make rotors that I can do this with instead of the OEM crap?

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Old 07-11-2002, 10:36 PM   #6
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Of course the H6 rear rotor made by DBA is compatible with the OEM H6 rear rotor. It wouldn't make sense for it to not fit.

The H6 rear is 657

Steve,
All those links, and the .jpg links in your rotor specs thread from a while back are 404s, all of them.
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Old 07-11-2002, 11:15 PM   #7
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The rotor in the picture looks like a DBA 657 to me 290mm dia x 10mm. This is the latest H6 rear.

We dont make a bracket though and our rotors aren't the dinkiest either.

A lot of guys here are using the DBA 653 vented rear for upgrades, but you would need to buy the STi two piston rear callipers.

Sorry about the links not working at the moment, our coloring in boys are uploading new pages. It will be working very soon.

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Old 07-12-2002, 01:17 AM   #8
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I don't think you guys understand. If you look in the pic you see the adapter from Subaru that is supposed to extend the OEM WRX caliper out far enough to fit the larger H6 rotor. Subaru makes the adapter not DBA and apparently it just happens to fit. I just need to make sure of this before I order the parts.
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Old 07-12-2002, 02:13 AM   #9
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I understand, I have the H6 rear rotors on my WRX. I know exactly what you're talking about.

I'm unclear as to why this is confusing. You know that these are the stock rear brakes on the Legacy H6, right? As such an aftermarket rotor designed to fit the Legacy H6 will fit the H6. I don't understand the confusion. It's not that everything 'just happens to fit' as you say. The system was DESIGNED as a rear brake setup by Subaru for the Legacy H6. Since the H6 shares the rear hub assembly with all other current Subarus with discs in the rear, it bolts right up to the WRX.

Interesting to see a vendor package it and sell it as a kit...especially at such a tremendous markup That's about $100 more than I paid from Irvine Subaru...and we all thought dealers marked up prices astronomically.

If you buy the stock H6 caliper brackets from your Subaru dealer (26625AE000) and DBA 657 it WILL fit. No question.
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Old 07-12-2002, 02:20 AM   #10
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Thanks Concillian.

You beet me to it. I was just checking the part number with Subaru for the bracket.
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Old 07-12-2002, 02:56 AM   #11
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Do you think they cost more because they are the Dinkiest ?

If Butch and Sundance had their time again I'm sure they would have been Auto dealers.
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Old 07-12-2002, 03:09 AM   #12
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I missed the 'dinkiest' in the description.



Reminds me of a recent local meet where an 'all show' Civic drives by and revs us with his 19" chrome rims, drum rear brakes and cross drilled front rotors that were so small they could only fit ONE hole along the radius. Those were the dinkiest.

It looked so funny with like a 5 inch gap from where the rotor ended and the spokes joined the rim.
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Old 07-12-2002, 03:29 AM   #13
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OH NO!
You guys have the full rice burner Civic as well.
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Old 07-12-2002, 09:12 AM   #14
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I love the dinkiest comment too Found it pretty funny as that is not bad for a rear rotor size......for what the car weighs and such

Concillian, did you have to do anything with the dust shields. The metal housings around the rotor in the rear? I would think you'd have some issues with it.....unless the WRX one is a tad bigger then mine. The rear brake disc size has remained the same for pretty much the entire subaru run on the legacies and imprezas, with the exception of the H6 legacy, and the turbo legacy got vented rears, but same size.

WRXThis, just to let ya know.....that price for what you get.....is OUTRAGEOUS

Rear rotors....~70-80 a piece. What that vendor is prob doing is buyin the whole rear caliper, which comes with those brackets....and chargin you for the whole thing, and keeping the caliper. Most places will not sell you just the brackets. However you can call up the dealer and see if they can sell ya just the brackets. If not, you'd still prob be better off goin to the dealer and buyin the entire setup, and actually get to kee the caliper.

Check out www.libertysubaru.com give them a call.

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Old 07-12-2002, 12:27 PM   #15
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I bent back the dust shield. It now comes out to almost flush with the OD of the rotor, where before it wrapped around the rotor.

There is no easy way to change the dust shield. It appears to be tack welded to part of the hub assembly. If you wanted to change to the correct shield you'd either have to pull off the old one and tack on the H6 shield, or do some major disassembly/reassembly of the rear hubs.

Kevin (gtguy) was going to look into if he could get the H6 rear dust shields on there, but that was months ago.

I got my parts from Irvine Subaru (www.spimotorsports.com). I think most dealers, if you give them a part number, will be able to get you just the bracket, they came in a box specific for the bracket.

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Old 07-12-2002, 12:39 PM   #16
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Steve,

are there any plans to produce cross drilled or slotted versions of the H6 rotor upgrade that DBA produces?
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Old 07-12-2002, 03:40 PM   #17
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Thanks for the help guys. I'm going to order this stuff as we speak.
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Old 07-12-2002, 06:24 PM   #18
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A couple of extranious questions.

1) What is different about the H6 Rear Brakes? Subaru's literature lists all 3rd Gen. Legacy's with 11.3 in (290mm) Rear Disc's

2) The PN on the DBA Drw. 26700AE010 does not come up in either of the on line Databases I tried. The PN I have for the Rear Disc which covers both L's and GT's from 2000 on is 26700AE04A. This is a 290mm x 10mm Disc with a 170mm Handbrake.

(dbaSteve - this is the number I gave you a while back)

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Steve,

are there any plans to produce cross drilled or slotted versions of the H6 rotor upgrade that DBA produces?
Definitely!

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A couple of extranious questions.

1) What is different about the H6 Rear Brakes? Subaru's literature lists all 3rd Gen. Legacy's with 11.3 in (290mm) Rear Disc's

2) The PN on the DBA Drw. 26700AE010 does not come up in either of the on line Databases I tried. The PN I have for the Rear Disc which covers both L's and GT's from 2000 on is 26700AE04A. This is a 290mm x 10mm Disc with a 170mm Handbrake.

(dbaSteve - this is the number I gave you a while back)

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1) Just the diameter. The cars are heavier and wheels are bigger now to fit suitable size rotors finally. Our new WRX's all have 290mm vented rears, the Outback and legacy ( liberty 2.5 ) have 290mm solid rotors.

2) For some reason USDM part numbers are different in some cases for the same part. This number is correct in Aust, Japan, Europe. All 4 wheel disc Subaru's have 170mm handbrakes except for Special edition STi's which have a R180 rear diff for rally / track applications. This version has a 190mm handbrake.

I'm still collecting part numbers for conversion to USDM and I haven't confirmed 26700AE04A yet. The problem is that the left hand doesn't have a clue what the right is doing when it comes to getting global part information. We get more help from you guys than the dealers.

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1) Just the diameter. The cars are heavier and wheels are bigger now to fit suitable size rotors finally. Our new WRX's all have 290mm vented rears, the Outback and legacy ( liberty 2.5 ) have 290mm solid rotors.

2) For some reason USDM part numbers are different in some cases for the same part. This number is correct in Aust, Japan, Europe. All 4 wheel disc Subaru's have 170mm handbrakes except for Special edition STi's which have a R180 rear diff for rally / track applications. This version has a 190mm handbrake.

I'm still collecting part numbers for conversion to USDM and I haven't confirmed 26700AE04A yet. The problem is that the left hand doesn't have a clue what the right is doing when it comes to getting global part information. We get more help from you guys than the dealers.

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I guess I wasn't clear - my question is what is the difference, if any, between the H6 rears and the rest of the 3rd Gen Legacy rears. Everyone posts like there is a specific difference but I just don't see what it is?

The PN 26700AE04A is what 1) three (3) dealers told me, 2) in the database of every online source I can find and 3) on the box of the parts I have sitting here. I guess I don't know how much more "confirmed" I can make it

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Old 07-14-2002, 03:39 PM   #22
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In your first list you said the 657 was a possible standard rear, but it isnt is it? Our US versions came with the 644 only as near as I can tell and everyone else gets the 653.

I take it from all you've said the 655 is the standard rear for the STi se? 12.53" rotor, I wonder if it will be on the US spec STi for next year?

I guess I could do this rear brake upgrade on my Legacy as well? The rears listed for my car are the 644s as well so it should work?

Thanks for all the info

edit: DBAsteve, do you have a product catalog with your coss-drilled, vented, two-piece rotors, etc., as well?

Does anyone have any pics of the DBA two-piece rotors? Concillian?I searched but did not find.

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In your first list you said the 657 was a possible standard rear, but it isnt is it? Our US versions came with the 644 only as near as I can tell and everyone else gets the 653.

I take it from all you've said the 655 is the standard rear for the STi se? 12.53" rotor, I wonder if it will be on the US spec STi for next year?

I guess I could do this rear brake upgrade on my Legacy as well? The rears listed for my car are the 644s as well so it should work?

Thanks for all the info

edit: DBAsteve, do you have a product catalog with your coss-drilled. vented, two-piece rotors as well?
Since 6/98 The DBA 657 became the standard rear for the Legacy ( Liberty) and Outback. The DBA 653 vented became the standard rear for the WRX. This is relevant to the rest of the world. At the moment it's flip a coin to see what you will get in the U.S.
I do apologise for creating confussion but it is so out of character for a Japanese company to do this. I am aware of compliance issues that had to be addressed in the U.S but to down spec the braking system is confusing, especially with the known problems elseware.

The DBA 655 STi rear has a R180 rear setup, which means the handbrake is 190mm diameter. The R160 is the normal setup (170mm h/Brake).

There is a product catalogue online at www.dba.com.au. You can view online or download. Copies of all the brochures are there too.

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I found them under publications, hadnt checked there.


Edit: Well I guess I shouldn't have looked. These two pieces wont fit on my car. Ive got the US 2-pot WRX front brakes and the part of the hat that connects to the rotor is where the US spec caliper bracket rides. Its all coming back to me now. I assume that the one piece rotors will work tho.

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