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Old 09-29-2011, 01:01 PM   #1
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First, let me just start of by saying this is purely a cosmetic upgrade as I have found the 2011 braking on the WRX to be adequate for mountain runs/daily use. However, they do look a little bit off with my open wheel design, so I am looking into possible upgrades for the calipers/rotors that will finish off the outside look of the car.

So far...from what I can gather with searching around online, I have the following options in regards to the 2011 WRX.

  • Red 4 Pot Subaru Calipers w/matching rears
  • 04 Brembos - They fit 5x100 but removing the stock gold and painting red or black would be a pain
  • StopTech - Fantastic brakes but expensive.
I am looking to see what you guys think would be a good option and if I am missing any other options that should be on the list. Also, good sources for actually getting them in.

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Old 09-29-2011, 02:38 PM   #2
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What do you not like about the current ones? What does "off" mean? Too small? Wrong color?
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Old 09-29-2011, 03:18 PM   #3
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Old 09-29-2011, 03:52 PM   #4
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You could use high temp paint or caliper paint, and some DBA 4000 or 5000 rotors and get a cosmetic upgrade that way.... The 5000's were on sale recently for $260 or so bucks!
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Old 09-29-2011, 04:02 PM   #5
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I have an 09 Sparkling Silver and just ended up painting my stock calipers red and for a few hours and about 20 dollars ( 1 can black high heat paint for a base coat, 1 can red caliper paint and some tape for masking purposes) i think it works pretty well. I did 3 of mine "the proper way" and removed the calipers and took the pads to paint but was running low on time for the last wheel and just masked it off on the car which is certainly quicker but if you do choose to paint a color of your chosing then i would suggest removing the calipers from the car rather than paint in place.
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Old 09-29-2011, 04:33 PM   #6
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If you just want a nice look, get the red 4-pots up front. You won't add any heat capacity for the mountains, but the pedal feel is much better than the sliding calipers, and they look nice. They use the same rotor so you don't even have to change that.



I have the more subtle black 4-pots. I don't need track worthy brakes for my driving and these look nice. Matching rears are a no go for now, unless you want to get into custom bracketry.
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Old 09-29-2011, 05:45 PM   #7
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I have thought about just painting the calipers...but the stock ones won't look all that much better painted IMO.

The black Subaru ones above look nice in those wheels.
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Old 09-30-2011, 07:37 AM   #8
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Those subaru ones are real nice but if you just want a change in appearance and dont really care about additional braking performance then just hitting them with a coat of paint is a good option. I agree however that the subaru ones look much better.

You could always swap the front with the subaru and hit the rears with a coat of paint.
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Old 09-30-2011, 10:12 AM   #9
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I feel the 4/2 pots with good brake fluid is enough. pedal feel is improved...and unless you are hardcore tracking you don't need more brake than that.

brake pads is where you get most of the braking feel/characteristics.
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Old 09-30-2011, 11:49 AM   #10
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The 2-piston rears will not fit the 08+ Impreza rear. Thee is no rotor for that.

A gravel rear rotor 'might' work but you would still need a caliper bracket that does not yet exist. That may become a viable product but it's pretty expensive for a limnited 'upgrade so..

As far as Brembo's

ANY year front calipers bolt on - just add (or re-drill) 5 x 100 STi rotors.

Rear 08+ STi calipers bolt on w/ a redrilled 08 STi rotor.

Rear 04-07 calipers will bolt on soon once I have the bracket done.

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Old 09-30-2011, 11:45 PM   #11
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The 2-piston rears will not fit the 08+ Impreza rear. Thee is no rotor for that.

A gravel rear rotor 'might' work but you would still need a caliper bracket that does not yet exist. That may become a viable product but it's pretty expensive for a limnited 'upgrade so..
Ken I think there IS a rotor that would work with those brackets you are making and the 2-pots, and easy to get too, not the gravel rotor, would love to test it out, or maybe you might have the parts to try it out. PM me if you are interested.
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Old 04-25-2012, 04:49 PM   #12
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Did you ever figure out an upgrade?
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Old 04-25-2012, 06:53 PM   #13
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Way to bring a thread back to life.
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Old 09-30-2011, 05:15 PM   #14
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You guys could have nearly been in the same parking lot together if I didn't know better.

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Old 04-25-2012, 11:19 PM   #15
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Bracket = Done!

Rear 2 pots or Brembo's -

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Old 04-26-2012, 12:24 AM   #16
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Bracket = Done!

Rear 2 pots or Brembo's -

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Does that mean I'm going to be getting a call tomorrow?
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Old 04-26-2012, 10:07 AM   #17
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Since this thread is back from the dead, I have a couple questions.

Is there any difference between these two calipers (aside from color)?

Fronts:

http://www.subarugenuineparts.com/pr...oducts_id=1019


http://www.subarugenuineparts.com/pr...roducts_id=914

^What year(s) are these from? (So I know what I'm looking at as far as what aftermarket pads to order)

Rears:

http://www.subarugenuineparts.com/pr...oducts_id=1291
(it says this kit does NOT include backing plates)

^Ken, you're now saying these are an option because you've created brackets to work with these??

I also see people talk about upgrading to H6 Rears. Thoughts?
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Old 04-26-2012, 10:39 AM   #18
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Oh man... not uncommon, but that website is not posting up the correct pictures.
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Old 04-26-2012, 11:05 AM   #19
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I did the Brembos a couple of years ago, a lot of the old timers on here say they don't help much, but I disagree. I can feel the difference, but I would say that they are probably 65% bling and 35% performance. I rebuilt mine and painted them yellow.


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I did the Brembos a couple of years ago, a lot of the old timers on here say they don't help much, but I disagree. I can feel the difference, but I would say that they are probably 65% bling and 35% performance. I rebuilt mine and painted them yellow.
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Ric WRX actually helped me with some tech stuff when I was "upgrading" to Brembos. When I took them off a couple weeks ago, I didn't remove the lines or MC brace. I must say... there is a distinct difference in performance. Pedal pressure and brake engagement feels very similar, but the effort it takes to press the pedal to make the car slow down is much higher. I feel the brakes engaging, but the car doesn't slow down. Considering my tires haven't changed and they still have a lot of meat on them it's probably mostly the pad compound.
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Old 04-28-2012, 09:49 AM   #21
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I did the Brembos a couple of years ago, a lot of the old timers on here say they don't help much, but I disagree.
Well it all depends on what your definition of "help" is. The continual old-timer point is that a brake upgrade does not make you stop faster. That is still true, can't change the physics of a tire. They are just trying to save the kids a few bucks.

There is no doubt the STI brakes are a better system. Even if you don't use the extra track worthiness, moving to a fixed caliper is a great improvement in feel and operation. IMO you can get 90% of that fixed caliper feel with a front 4-pot swap. I just swapped my 4-pot back to stock. Still stops the same, doesn't feel near as good.

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Since this thread is back from the dead, I have a couple questions.

Is there any difference between these two calipers (aside from color)?

^Ken, you're now saying these are an option because you've created brackets to work with these??

I also see people talk about upgrading to H6 Rears. Thoughts?
Lots of information there, not sure I can correct it all. Lets throw out the pictures and I'll help get you on the road for your research:

"4-pots" are the front calipers, they are all the same, black or red. The color and the lettering may differ but the fitment is all the same. These will bolt right onto your WRX. Same rotor as stock, you just need the calipers, hardware and pads.

"2 pots" are the rear calipers. Until KNS made their new brakcets, these did not fit the 08+ WRX. Everything you are reading is probably old information, especially at Subarugenuineparts, those parts descriptions were written in 2006. You don't have any backing plates on your 09 WRX. Again here, black or red does not matter, they all work the same. The red ones are way more common in the US.

With the new bracket you can put the 2-pots on the 08+ WRX now. You need calipers, hardware, KNS brackets and rotors for a 2010-12 Legacy GT/3.6R.

"H6 Upgrade" more old info this applies to 07-earlier Impreza. The 08+ WRX brakes are not compatible, and FYI the old H6 upgrade used a rotor that is about the same size as the stock brakes on the 08+ WRX, so some say newer gen "already has the H6 upgrade" technically incorrect but the point is good.
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Lots of information there, not sure I can correct it all. Lets throw out the pictures and I'll help get you on the road for your research:

"4-pots" are the front calipers, they are all the same, black or red. The color and the lettering may differ but the fitment is all the same. These will bolt right onto your WRX. Same rotor as stock, you just need the calipers, hardware and pads.

"2 pots" are the rear calipers. Until KNS made their new brakcets, these did not fit the 08+ WRX. Everything you are reading is probably old information, especially at Subarugenuineparts, those parts descriptions were written in 2006. You don't have any backing plates on your 09 WRX. Again here, black or red does not matter, they all work the same. The red ones are way more common in the US.

With the new bracket you can put the 2-pots on the 08+ WRX now. You need calipers, hardware, KNS brackets and rotors for a 2010-12 Legacy GT/3.6R.
do you happen to know the size of the legacy rotors you mentioned? Is there an aftermarket slotted rotor equivalent?
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do you happen to know the size of the legacy rotors you mentioned? Is there an aftermarket slotted rotor equivalent?
Same as the older LGT/WRX rear - 290 x 18 but with larger park brake drum.



http://extranet.soleniuminc.com/Cent...4190&ic=1&i=1&

We can order them slotted - couple weeks to get.

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Slight correction on the black or red 4 pots. Black ones are the older raised lettering units. Red is a flat surface with a decal or painted SUBARU lettering. Internally they are the exact same thing.
If anything, the only thing to pay attention to is fitment. As an example the raised letting will not work with some wheels. e.g. factory FXT 16" wheels.
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I'm in the same boat. I'm interested in doing the 4/2pot conversion whenever I'm due for new brakes. Seems like a much better and more affordable path than brembos or other BBK's especially considering my car sees almost no track use. Aside from subarugenuineparts.com is there anywhere to source the 4/2 pot calipers? Just looking to compare prices.
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