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Old 11-30-2011, 02:23 AM   #1
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Exclamation Subaru's New FB Turbo Motor (1.6 DIT)

Grimmspeed noticed this in some of the BRZ photos, I completely missed it!



Sadly, thats all I can find right now... Looking for more info and better photos ASAP!

Its on display right now at the Tokyo auto show.

Update: More photos courtesy Hachiroku on the FT86 forums!







Sadly, no information about the model designation or the specs

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Old 11-30-2011, 02:48 AM   #2
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The diesel?

Edit, NVM. I think I see spark plug coils. Unless those are glow plugs...?
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Old 11-30-2011, 02:57 AM   #3
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The diesel?
I thought it was the Diesel too for awhile...

But the Diesel motor is on the other side of the FA20!!!



Another photo showing how its a FB motor for sure:



I'd kill for a photo of the sign in front of it right about now...

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Old 11-30-2011, 02:59 AM   #4
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Grimmspeed noticed this in some of the BRZ photos, I completely missed it!



Sadly, thats all I can find right now... Looking for more info and better photos ASAP!

Its on display right now at the Tokyo auto show.
Looks like a turbo down low in the front. No?
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Old 11-30-2011, 03:23 AM   #5
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Looks like a turbo down low in the front. No?
Mounted in the same location as the 2010+ Legacy GT.
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Old 11-30-2011, 03:43 AM   #6
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Mounted in the same location as the 2010+ Legacy GT.
This is really good news and offers the possibility of packing a turbo motor into the tighter BRZ's engine bay. Who knows, maybe even a variant of it might make it into the car some day.
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Old 11-30-2011, 04:15 AM   #7
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Mounted in the same location as the 2010+ Legacy GT.
Well hmm, the BRZ may actually be a sweeter car than I thought...
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Old 11-30-2011, 04:25 AM   #8
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Well hmm, the BRZ may actually be a sweeter car than I thought...
This motor isn't for the BRZ. Its the new WRX/STI engine.
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Old 11-30-2011, 07:28 AM   #9
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Plastic intercooler rears its ugly head once again.
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Old 11-30-2011, 09:40 AM   #10
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Plastic intercooler rears its ugly head once again.
Plastic disapates heat better (the point of an intercooler) and it keeps production costs down (cheaper MSRP for us). If you turn up boost enough to blow the plastic sides, then you were going to upgrade anyway.
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Old 11-30-2011, 02:22 PM   #11
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Plastic disapates heat better (the point of an intercooler) and it keeps production costs down (cheaper MSRP for us). If you turn up boost enough to blow the plastic sides, then you were going to upgrade anyway.
My Spec B intercooler separated, and my car was completely stock.
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Old 11-30-2011, 02:38 PM   #12
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My Spec B intercooler separated, and my car was completely stock.
Factory Freak....jk. Between a 2005 Outback 2.5XT, 2008 WRX Hatch, 2008 WRX Sedan and now a 2011 WRX Sedan, all totalling over 100,000 miles I have never had any seperation.
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Old 11-30-2011, 06:23 PM   #13
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My Spec B intercooler separated, and my car was completely stock.
Mine didn't and I ran 17-18psi on it for years.

Also FYI - plastic is better for heatsoak. The stock TMIC has so little thermal mass that it cools off almost instantly. It's pretty damn good - for a small TMIC.

For this engine I would go with a perpendicular flow FMIC (all you longitudinal guys are doing it wrong. Really. All of you.), very little relative difference in post turbo volume. Tip-in tables that work? Fantastic.
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Old 12-01-2011, 09:03 AM   #14
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Mine didn't and I ran 17-18psi on it for years.
Yeah, I am not sure what the problem was with mine. As soon as it would hit full boost it would squeal and the car would stumble all over the place.

Dealer replaced it under warranty. Of course now it doesn't matter as I am running an aftermarket TMIC since going to stage 2.

Guess mine was just a made on Monday or Friday intercooler.
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Old 11-30-2011, 03:54 PM   #15
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Plastic disapates heat better (the point of an intercooler) and it keeps production costs down (cheaper MSRP for us). If you turn up boost enough to blow the plastic sides, then you were going to upgrade anyway.
Plastic disspiates heat better than what?

They make heatsinks out of aluminum, copper or even steel for a reason. The thermal conductivity of plastic is way below metal.

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Old 11-30-2011, 05:14 PM   #16
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Plastic disspiates heat better than what?

They make heatsinks out of aluminum, copper or even steel for a reason. The thermal conductivity of plastic is way below metal.

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Yeah for that matter they'd make the fins plastic too
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Old 11-30-2011, 05:30 PM   #17
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Yeah for that matter they'd make the fins plastic too
The end tanks are not meant for heat transfer and since plastic is a better insulator the air passing from side to side through the intercooler tube/fins will gain less heat in transport from the engine bay though plastic end tanks compared to aluminum which as a previous poster stated conducts heat much better than plastic.
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Old 11-30-2011, 05:41 PM   #18
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Any update on this thing?
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Old 11-30-2011, 07:09 PM   #19
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Any update on this thing?
Its still early over in Japan. I'm waiting for folks there to get back with photos and intel, but it probably won't be for another couple hours.
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Old 11-30-2011, 09:45 PM   #20
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Old 11-30-2011, 10:23 PM   #21
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It was officialy said that the WRX and STI would have a 2.0 FB turbo engine.

pay attention at minute 10.20

Subaru Press Conference LA Auto Show - BRZ STi Concept Car and Company Direction - YouTube
Some non-SOJ exec saying it doesn't make it true. Its not exactly first hand information, or an actual production model being debuted.

However, the FA20 is a 2.0, so using that shortblock with this 1.6 motor wouldn't be difficult at all to do.

That 1.6T will show up in something for sure, it has to in order to increase fuel economy numbers.
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Old 12-01-2011, 02:46 AM   #22
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It was officialy said that the WRX and STI would have a 2.0 FB turbo engine.

pay attention at minute 10.20

Subaru Press Conference LA Auto Show - BRZ STi Concept Car and Company Direction - YouTube
But not if you listen to what he's saying before and after 10:20.
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Old 12-01-2011, 09:38 PM   #23
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It was officialy said that the WRX and STI would have a 2.0 FB turbo engine.

pay attention at minute 10.20

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plastic conducts less head so they use it on the intake which connect to the hot engine. on the intercooler cool side I don't see why they'd use plastic over aluminum other than cost elsewhere
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