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Old 12-26-2011, 11:18 PM   #1
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I'm starting my research and always like to hear what the Subaru community thinks.

So far I'm pretty sure I'm going with one of the combo Recaro seats.
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Old 12-27-2011, 12:53 AM   #2
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Somebody t-boned my wifes 94 accord almost 4 years ago (doing about 45 mph into her passenger side) with our daughter in an Evenflo child seat. my daughter was 9 months old, and only had a scratch on her forhead resembling rugburn. My wife had two fractured vertabrea in her lower back and she had her seat belt on.. the handbrake looked like a banana!

Needless to say I went out and bought another Evenflo car seat.

side story - she now drives a P71 and nobody drives like a moron around her. we've had 2 (almost 3) cars totalled within 5 miles of our home , on a certain two roads that we don't use anymore because of illegals and idiots.


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Old 12-27-2011, 01:45 AM   #3
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I have britax seats in both cars , havent had any problems with them or any accident stories to tell, thank God. I like the way their built. They seem to have very strong supports along the back of the seat. My son is now forward facing. Just curious are people installing seats in the middle of the back seat or on the end of the seat?
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Old 12-27-2011, 02:24 AM   #4
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I have Britax as well.


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Just curious are people installing seats in the middle of the back seat or on the end of the seat?
The middle seat is the safest, see T-boned accident above. Where would you rather have your kid in that type of accident? On the end or in the middle? People think I'm weird when they see I have my 18-month old in the middle and 4 year old right next to him. When they ask "Why don't you have both seats on the ends? It's so much easier to get the kids in and out.", I resist smacking them and kindly reply that the middle spot is the safest for the smallest child, and I value safety over convenience. And don't give me the excuse that two cars seats won't fit right next to each other, because they will. /rant
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Old 12-27-2011, 05:56 AM   #5
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I have Britax as well.




The middle seat is the safest, see T-boned accident above. Where would you rather have your kid in that type of accident? On the end or in the middle? People think I'm weird when they see I have my 18-month old in the middle and 4 year old right next to him. When they ask "Why don't you have both seats on the ends? It's so much easier to get the kids in and out.", I resist smacking them and kindly reply that the middle spot is the safest for the smallest child, and I value safety over convenience. And don't give me the excuse that two cars seats won't fit right next to each other, because they will. /rant
We had, and always will have her in the middle of the back seat. I put the teenager on one side and the dog on the other side when we all ride together lol.
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Old 02-11-2012, 05:27 PM   #6
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I have Britax as well.




The middle seat is the safest, see T-boned accident above. Where would you rather have your kid in that type of accident? On the end or in the middle? People think I'm weird when they see I have my 18-month old in the middle and 4 year old right next to him. When they ask "Why don't you have both seats on the ends? It's so much easier to get the kids in and out.", I resist smacking them and kindly reply that the middle spot is the safest for the smallest child, and I value safety over convenience. And don't give me the excuse that two cars seats won't fit right next to each other, because they will. /rant
Britax is the way to go hands down! Best fit, very secure and when installed correctly, its so tight in the seat and connection its as though the car seat was built into the car.

My daughter is forward facing and loves the seat as well.
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Old 12-27-2011, 01:48 AM   #7
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i have both a britax and recaro. I think the britax is better constructed and holds a better safety rating.
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Old 12-27-2011, 10:06 AM   #8
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I bought the Trekko "travel system" by Graco which consisted of a full size stroller and car seat (Snug Ride 30). We also have ours anchored to the middle of the rear seat in the wife's Forester.
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We also have ours anchored to the middle of the rear seat in the wife's Forester.
This. Is what I need to get around to.

No one panic, the seat is tethered to the lower rings and tightened snug, but I haven't yet hooked up the middle tethers. I guess these should tend to stop the seat rotating downwards in a crash.

We actually have the Cosco seats, one baby and one toddler seat, and they have been good, are relatively cheap, and have good safety ratings.

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Old 12-27-2011, 10:18 AM   #10
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We always looked at the CR safety reviews before picking what we were going to go with - when the kids were little, we had a Graco infant carrier for them, then went to a Cosco seat of some sort until they were old enough to use a booster. My youngest has to still be in a 5-point harness, but she's older, so we pretty much had to go with a Britax since they have one of the few front facing seats which is rated for her size.

I know the Recaro ones look cool and all, but when I was looking they were never at the top of the safety ratings, which to me, eliminated them from consideration (since for me, the ability to protect the kiddo was by far the highest priority) - also, if you are having a newborn soon, you'll want an infant carrier before a convertable car seat.
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Old 12-27-2011, 11:17 AM   #11
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I know the Recaro ones look cool and all, but when I was looking they were never at the top of the safety ratings, which to me, eliminated them from consideration (since for me, the ability to protect the kiddo was by far the highest priority)
I agree, I really wanted a Recaro for the cool factor, but the ratings didn't seem as good.
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Old 12-27-2011, 12:45 PM   #12
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Thanks for the replies! I guess i have some more reading to do. Recaro was what my sister had and i guess i just trusted her opinion but i agree that safety is much more important than the "cool" factor.
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Old 12-27-2011, 12:51 PM   #13
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Thanks for the replies! I guess i have some more reading to do. Recaro was what my sister had and i guess i just trusted her opinion but i agree that safety is much more important than the "cool" factor.
Agree, and don't forget all other thing. Is it easy to remove your child, does it fit in your back seat. Sentra 2006 were too small for my car seat. Test them. Be sure about the return policy. Your child should be comfortable too. Check also for heavy duty at car seat protector. They are a must
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Old 12-27-2011, 10:36 AM   #14
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I did use graco travel system for my two kid and work great. Yes safety is a concern, but also practicability. You have to be able to remove your child from the seat.

Never got any accident, but still love the graco. Downside, I did scratch my seat, even with the protector.

Best advice, learn to install it. It's not that easy, 90 % of car seat in Quebec is not install properly. No idea in USA but should be the same. The seat is never attached hard enough. You have to use ALL your strength. I'm really not kidding. I was in the seat and pull as hard as possible. I'm a 5'8 220 pound muscular guy.

Congrat on your kid!
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Old 04-07-2012, 08:13 PM   #15
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I did use graco travel system for my two kid and work great. Yes safety is a concern, but also practicability. You have to be able to remove your child from the seat.

Never got any accident, but still love the graco. Downside, I did scratch my seat, even with the protector.

Best advice, learn to install it. It's not that easy, 90 % of car seat in Quebec is not install properly. No idea in USA but should be the same. The seat is never attached hard enough. You have to use ALL your strength. I'm really not kidding. I was in the seat and pull as hard as possible. I'm a 5'8 220 pound muscular guy.

Congrat on your kid!
Agreed x 1000. Whenever we have to install/reinstall a car seat, my wife actually sits in the seat while I wrench it down.

We have a Recaro seat, my daughter loves it. Biggest gripe? No cupholders. I would recommend a baby seat with cupholders. The ones that you can buy and stick onto the side of the seat are still tough for the little ones to reach.


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Does the Sti have the ability to do that? In my owners manual it says the LATCH system can only be used on the side window seats...
You can use the Latch in the middle seat, just use one from each of the side seats. My daughter's Recaro is latched in so tight the whole car moves when you try to move the seat.
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Old 04-08-2012, 12:06 AM   #16
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Agreed x 1000. Whenever we have to install/reinstall a car seat, my wife actually sits in the seat while I wrench it down.

We have a Recaro seat, my daughter loves it. Biggest gripe? No cupholders. I would recommend a baby seat with cupholders. The ones that you can buy and stick onto the side of the seat are still tough for the little ones to reach.

You can use the Latch in the middle seat, just use one from each of the side seats. My daughter's Recaro is latched in so tight the whole car moves when you try to move the seat.
While you "can" get the middle position to work with LATCH, you are not supposed to use it like that.
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You can use the Latch in the middle seat, just use one from each of the side seats. My daughter's Recaro is latched in so tight the whole car moves when you try to move the seat.
^ yes. this is what i did, and the seat base is tight and stable.



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While you "can" get the middle position to work with LATCH, you are not supposed to use it like that.
per the owner's instruction manual, you're correct. i think the biggest issue is because the center seating position is kind of propped up rather than ingressed in like the side seats, which will provide a more "stable" seating surface in which to set the child base/seat onto. really, it's not the LATCH anchor positions that's of concern (for the sti), it's the movement of the base/seat you're supposed to eliminate.

besides, i don't like the idea of having the baby on one side of the car. i feel safer knowing that the baby is in the center of the car.
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Old 04-08-2012, 01:29 AM   #18
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per the owner's instruction manual, you're correct. i think the biggest issue is because the center seating position is kind of propped up rather than ingressed in like the side seats, which will provide a more "stable" seating surface in which to set the child base/seat onto. really, it's not the LATCH anchor positions that's of concern (for the sti), it's the movement of the base/seat you're supposed to eliminate.

This is incorrect. The center position does not allow the use of borrowing lower anchors because it has not been crash tested and/or failed crash testing. The center is not reinforced and exceeds the maximum spacing requirements for latch, another component that car seat companies need to test, majority will not allow non standard spacing because their seats do not test well with the extended spacing.
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absolutely! like other said, put a knee in that thing with all your weight and strap it in good! that's another thing that helped my daughter in her accident. We never went gentle on installing it. You should have NO movement with it while its in and empty.. and that means trying to force it around. The cars seat should be compressed with the empty weight of the childs seat on it.
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absolutely! like other said, put a knee in that thing with all your weight and strap it in good! that's another thing that helped my daughter in her accident. We never went gentle on installing it. You should have NO movement with it while its in and empty.. and that means trying to force it around. The cars seat should be compressed with the empty weight of the childs seat on it.
+1 To That, great advice!!

Even the best car seat poorly install is worse than the most dangerous perfectly installed.

I will retell one thing. NO MOVEMENT in car seat at all!!! That the most important thing in this thread.
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I can't find the link, but there's an agency that does actual crash tests with the carseats... keep googling that.

That being said, after going through many stages and many seats, I really like the Britax. The Recaro is nice and helps Daddy feel good, but I have always loved the Britax.

The Britax seats always seem to get the best crash ratings, *install well* in all kinds of cars (my WRX, to an Odyessey, to a BMW 330, to a RX330, to a Pilot, etc), have the least number of recalls, have excellent quality materials with little convenient features (like velcro to hold the straps open when you ingress the child), comfort for the children (always happiest in the Britax), and are designed well without a lot of extraneous things that make it impossible to use the seat besides the car seat install position. They are expensive, but worth it.

My next favorite was the Combi Coccoro; great ratings, compact (this is a big deal in small cars), installed well, lateral protection, and apparently comfy.



Bottom line though, is that in the last 10+ years car seat tech has developed dramatically. Make sure to get a NEW seat with great ratings and is a fairly new model/version. Expect to pay $200 or more.

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absolutely! like other said, put a knee in that thing with all your weight and strap it in good! that's another thing that helped my daughter in her accident. We never went gentle on installing it. You should have NO movement with it while its in and empty.. and that means trying to force it around. The cars seat should be compressed with the empty weight of the childs seat on it.
Exactly... if you aren't putting your knee on it, you probably aren't installing it well. Strap it loose, then hand tighten. Then CENTER the seat and tighten. Then get on it with your full weight with a knee to compress the seat and tighten. Then center and shake to find the loose. Then knee and tighten again while "jumping" on it. It is said that 1" of lateral movement is the max allowed for correct install... this method gets you like less than 1/8" movement.

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I have a Recaro for my kid and I love it, very secure
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I am a father of 3 kids, including twins. I've had all brands of car seats, and it really varies from models to models. What i like best is when you can ajust the height of the straps without taking the seat out of the car. If you have, or plan to have more then one kid, the footprint of the seat is also important. Trying to fit 3 seats in a impreza, you need to chose them as narrow as possible. Sunshine kids makes great seats that you can carry around easily.

We totalled our 2007 Nissan Quest in an accident. One of my kid was in a eddie bauer, another one in a sunshine radian, and the last one in a graco, the 3 kids were safe and sound.
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http://www.babyage.com/brands/evenfl...seat-79886.htm

This is what we have now.. externally adjustable straps, plenty of removable padding for when they grow up.. the recline feature really doesn't work at all, in the full recline the kid is still almost 100% upright. But she falls asleep in it easily and if we bring it in the house, she has fun sitting in it and buckling herself up.. then asking for help to get out lol..

it is a seat on the bigger side, but i don't plan on having more than one seat in the car , and this sits in the middle so we figured to get something big and comfy, same brand as the one before that protected her nicely.


This is what she thinks of dads driving I'm 6' and we have room for it in our '03. But she puts her feet on our seat backs if she wants. Notice in the last pic - USE THE HOOKS! there is one in the back on the roof of the wagon that our seat attaches too.


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^ha ha, those last two pictures are great^
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