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Old 09-27-2012, 12:00 AM   #1
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Default Apparantly Paul and I did not get the memo....

I don't know what is happening elsewhere but in the SE gone are the days of 5+ Subaru's at a DE. By now we are lucky to see a nOOb WRX driver and usually we see at least 2-3 fast EVO's who don't even have to hit the BOV to rub it in.

Well Paul and I are going to turn back the clock this weekend at Road Atlanta and with quite the unlikely combination.

Paul has his 2006 FXT that is about as street - modded as it can be.

-4EAT/VF48 + Tune/CO's, Hankkok RS3/sway bars/rear adj links and more.

And I have a 2001 RSti/30R ATP/pretty much fully built STi swap as well so we will see what we can do against the Vette's and P-cars at Chin/RA. Most likely we'll give a lot of point by's!

We usually see at least 1 good Subie in ATL when we go - a white 2005 STi iirc.

Unfortunately the weather looks good!
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Old 09-27-2012, 10:52 PM   #2
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are either of you going to any one of the Oct 13-14 events?
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Old 09-28-2012, 07:17 AM   #3
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Because older ones break, and newer ones.... also break, more frequently, when pushed to the limit on a track.

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Old 09-28-2012, 07:49 AM   #4
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Because older ones break, and newer ones.... also break, more frequently, when pushed to the limit on a track.

--kC

I know

That's why we have the Vette!

But we'll still have fun.

Probably doing the Audi club event in mid October and then Chin again back at VIR.
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Old 09-28-2012, 07:34 AM   #5
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My goal is to get somewhere close to Paul's car. One thing is holding me back. $$$$$$$$. I still need to come up to the shop (KNS Breaks) and get some upgrades if I want to see some track time in the near future.

Also looking for a spare set of wheels. Would like the stock specs 18*8.5, 5*114.3 bolt, +55
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Old 09-28-2012, 07:50 AM   #6
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My goal is to get somewhere close to Paul's car. One thing is holding me back. $$$$$$$$. I still need to come up to the shop (KNS Breaks) and get some upgrades if I want to see some track time in the near future.

Also looking for a spare set of wheels. Would like the stock specs 18*8.5, 5*114.3 bolt, +55

C'mon by anytime. Paul's car is here so you can get real close.

We may have some wheels for you.

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Old 09-28-2012, 08:29 AM   #7
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C'mon by anytime. Paul's car is here so you can get real close.

We may have some wheels for you.

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Will do. What time you guys normally close up shop?
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Old 09-28-2012, 08:28 AM   #8
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HAHA! Good one Ken! Have you guys been to Atlanta Motorsports Park yet? I've seen pics and videos. Looks like a blast!
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Old 10-01-2012, 02:17 AM   #9
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Awesome weekend at RA.

And no broken cars.

Skeen drove my car and showed me what I cannot do.

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Old 10-01-2012, 01:39 PM   #10
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You can keep fighting the good fight with a Subaru.....


Or give in and find something cheaper to run that doesn't break.....


<shrug> something something club of miatas something
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Old 10-01-2012, 02:14 PM   #11
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You can keep fighting the good fight with a Subaru.....


Or give in and find something cheaper to run that doesn't break.....


<shrug> something something club of miatas something

Don't forget the C5 Mafia
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Old 10-01-2012, 02:38 PM   #12
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Don't forget the C5 Mafia
I've been talking to those guys as much as possible.

And riding w/ Skeen was like 'omfg...really?!?!'

There are some fast boys down Road Atlanta way in both C5's and Shariff's GTR guys. I am still a good bit behind but I have a goal now. The car is reasonably stable and I have a much better plan.

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Old 10-02-2012, 03:47 PM   #13
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Mach V has a great deal on some new wheels. You can get them through Ken as well.

We might have a used set of 18x?? 5x114 laying around to sell.

Keep the mods to brakes, suspension, cooling, oiling, safety and up to stage II power. If you want to go further than that I might be willing to swap mine for your 2010 STI. Feel free to go by KNS and check out the cars! Ninja and RSTi were fun at RA.

I'm buying a Spec E30 this weekend and will start racing very, very soon! I can't wait.
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Old 10-03-2012, 11:15 AM   #14
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Mach V has a great deal on some new wheels. You can get them through Ken as well.

We might have a used set of 18x?? 5x114 laying around to sell.

Keep the mods to brakes, suspension, cooling, oiling, safety and up to stage II power. If you want to go further than that I might be willing to swap mine for your 2010 STI. Feel free to go by KNS and check out the cars! Ninja and RSTi were fun at RA.

I'm buying a Spec E30 this weekend and will start racing very, very soon! I can't wait.

Saving up. Little by little. Need tires soon though but I am saving the old ones for track use. Have a DP in the garage just have to find the $$ to put it on.
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Old 10-04-2012, 10:37 PM   #15
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You can keep fighting the good fight with a Subaru.....


Or give in and find something cheaper to run that doesn't break.....


<shrug> something something club of miatas something
You!!! Back in your hole as we'll hear no such blasphemy!!!!
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Old 10-05-2012, 07:41 AM   #16
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I'm curious what all the breakage talk is about? Except for engine failure at even moderate power levels, which is alarmingly consistent and a legitimate point of concern, the rest - drivetrain, brakes, suspension, seem like either normal consumables or hardware with known, common upgrade paths.

I am new to Subarus but what I've seen so far working on them, they are great for year round daily driving and casual trackday use on relatively narrow tires. Of course for a dedicated track car on wide sticky rubber something approximating an old GT1 car would be much faster, bulletproof, cheaper, but definitely not a daily driver.

Legitimately curious about the 'breakage' phenomona, as I am putting together a Forester for just such daily/trackday duties.
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Old 10-05-2012, 10:39 AM   #17
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I'm hoping to buy a Spec E30 this weekend. Comp school and wheel2wheel racing very soon! It's going to be great to be in a field of 20+ other E30s at every event.

I'm looking for an 08+ STI donor engine/car to get my STI running again. It will be rebuilt as Stage II (no more than 300 WHP) and might see some track time at events where other Subaru's are in attendance.

My 06 Forester is very reliable on the track. Stock long block, stage 2 tuned. ~250WHP VF48, exhaust, & AVO Intercoooler. Moroso baffled oil pan and AOS for safety. I still have cooling issues after a few hard laps and have to back off.

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Old 10-05-2012, 11:16 AM   #18
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I'm curious what all the breakage talk is about? Except for engine failure at even moderate power levels, which is alarmingly consistent and a legitimate point of concern, the rest - drivetrain, brakes, suspension, seem like either normal consumables or hardware with known, common upgrade paths.

I am new to Subarus but what I've seen so far working on them, they are great for year round daily driving and casual trackday use on relatively narrow tires. Of course for a dedicated track car on wide sticky rubber something approximating an old GT1 car would be much faster, bulletproof, cheaper, but definitely not a daily driver.

Legitimately curious about the 'breakage' phenomona, as I am putting together a Forester for just such daily/trackday duties.
Basically adding too much power and/or rubber exposes a few of the econobox roots of the car which is not abnormal. Overall a pretty sturdy car but some systems get overwhelmed pretty easily.

Broken motors are the real issue. That gets pricey.
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Old 10-05-2012, 12:14 PM   #19
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Basically adding too much power and/or rubber exposes a few of the econobox roots of the car which is not abnormal. Overall a pretty sturdy car but some systems get overwhelmed pretty easily.

Broken motors are the real issue. That gets pricey.
That sounds about right then, and to be expected. To be fair, even though the OEM STI GD control strategy and calibration (donít know about the later ones) is conservative and relatively basic, it does still take into account things like transient exh temp change differences between left/right bank to control individual spark, as well as the IMEP differences inherent to every cylinder due to the architecture. There is clear sensitivity to many of those transient parameters at the OEM (low) power levels, and I canít see even a multi-day Ďtuning sessioní in the aftermarket being able to account for all of those things robustly without a lot more instrumentation than the usual wideband or two and the basic engine sensors.

Anecdotally it seems to me like most engine failures are due to abnormal combustion or oil control issues, both of which are straightforward to control. Of course Iím all talk until I get mine on track, but my eyes are wide open.
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Old 10-01-2012, 02:09 PM   #20
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The GC is more for fun - the C5 is what I drive most on track.
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Old 10-02-2012, 06:36 PM   #21
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Finally here some pictures of Subaruís on Subaru forum Chin Event Ė Road Atlanta Fall 2012













This one has Subaru soul so I guess it still counts...

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Old 10-04-2012, 06:34 AM   #22
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Yep, the good old days of multiple Subies at a DE are gone. I expect the decline to continue as Subaru continues to spit in the faces of driving enthusiasts. But, there will be plenty of Subarus at Tree Hugging and GLBT events.
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Old 10-04-2012, 10:13 PM   #23
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There's still a few of us heading to the track... I know of 2 guys with 90% track Subies, and me and a friend of mine go whenever we can. He has a white 06 WRX wagon with a VF39 and a built 5-speed.
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Old 10-05-2012, 10:46 AM   #24
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What's going on the the STI?
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The 2008 and 2010 long blocks are both trashed.
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