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Old 10-25-2012, 10:21 PM   #1
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Default 2013 Sti Hatch or 2013 Audi S4 6MT....review inside!!



I had made up my mind to order a 2013 Sti hatch and then I test drove an S4. I keep my cars way past warranty and this has me concerned. My 2004 FXT has been problem free for 8 years. Anyone go from Audi to Subaru or vice versa? I am a stickler with scheduled service so if you take car of the car it will take care of you...unless Audi is the exception. I would like to hear some experiences that people have had with Audi's. I am going to enjoy the hell out of either car and both are my dream cars...

One month review and impressions

I loved my FXT and I wanted to get that out of the way first. It was fun, reliable and safe. The S4 is just such a pleasure and if you have the means I highly suggest picking one up. The ride is solid, not a creak or rattle and when you close the door it does not feel you are going to break something. At highway speeds it is a tank but nimble and feels as though it was made to cruise at speed. The 6MT is smooth with nice short throws and positive feedback. The LED/Xenon lighting is amazing, night better watch out because I can see my surroundings clearly with great detail. The Bang and Olufsen is phenomenal for a stock setup and rewards the listener with crisp, clean powerful surround sound. The paint however is the same as on my FXT, thin as hell as I already have a few rock chips. Overall I am glad I made the switch and feel lucky that I could choose between two great cars. If my Audi takes care of me like my Subie did I am a customer for life!

I also gave a wave to a wrx sedan near the road to the airport because old habits die hard so hopefully I will get some Subie love back!!!

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Old 10-25-2012, 11:00 PM   #2
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So i really can't say from any first hand experiences with audi but from what I can tell they are the classic german car, great to drive but frugal. My grand father owned an audi and he is the kind of guy that takes great care of his cars and he still had problems. They are also more expensive for parts and services (if you don't do your work your self) in general. That is not to say that subaru does not have their own problem but if I was considering the long term, I would probably lean toward the Sti. There is also the option to get and extended warranty but then there pretty much goes any mod options.

edit: i do not know the extent of the extended warranties as I have never gotten one my self and each manufacture is different.
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Old 10-25-2012, 11:16 PM   #3
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imo, audi's are crap. They are nice to drive, but crap. Overpriced parts ($18 for a %^&*$%!@# Oring????) and a giant pain in the arse to work on. Turboed subarus are no cake walk, but audis are horrible. If you plan on selling it before the warranty is up, then either one is good, but.... If you want to keep it for a few years and don't want to pay 18 dollars a quart for transmission fluid, get the suby.

One more point- cool people drive subarus, douchebags and doctors drive audis. (stereotypically speaking)
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Old 10-25-2012, 11:36 PM   #4
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I had an 02 A6 2.7T. It was a great car, but once I hit 100k miles, it was one problem after another. I had to get rid of that car because it needed so much work done and just wasn't worth it to get fixed. I'd say if you buy the Audi, go into it expecting that there will be at least one moderate-major issue post warranty because it certainly was the case with my car and it seems to be the case with most other Audi owners I've spoken to. As already stated, Audi's are a pain to work on, and you will get killed on parts. If you were planning on getting rid of the car before the warranty was up, I'd say go for whatever car you like better. Since it sounds like you will be keeping either car well past warranty, I would vote for the Sti because you're going to save around 10 grand up front, and more than likely save even more money down the road and it will be less of a headache.
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Old 10-26-2012, 09:07 AM   #5
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Old 10-25-2012, 11:43 PM   #6
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Went from a 04 STi to a Audi S5. Needless to say I'm back in a 2012 wrx. S5 was nice until the warranty ran out but the carbon build up problem was not cool. Spent a lot of time in the shop for weird things. I didn't spend a dime in fixes but if the warranty was not in place, I would have shelled out over 5k over the 4 years. Not great since it was still deemed a new car. Can't imagine having it long term.
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Old 10-26-2012, 09:18 AM   #7
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Audi will always have problems. They are great cars for the first 40k miles but after that everything starts to go. Nothing will last forever but I will say I have never worried about any NEW Subaru. I too was looking into s4, s5, rs4 and to me I could get a better car (sti) for less or the same price. BMW or Benz would be my only other choice other than Subaru at this point
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Old 10-26-2012, 10:24 AM   #8
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I had made up my mind to order a 2013 Sti hatch and then I test drove an S4. I keep my cars way past warranty and this has me concerned. My 2004 FXT has been problem free for 8 years. Anyone go from Audi to Subaru or vice versa? I am a stickler with scheduled service so if you take car of the car it will take care of you...unless Audi is the exception. I would like to hear some experiences that people have had with Audi's. I am going to enjoy the hell out of either car and both are my dream cars...
Audi past warranty is a nightmare. Hell even in warranty I've seen people complaining their s4 spends more time in the shop than with them.

I would go for the sti. The s4 is a heavy ass car anyways.
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Old 10-26-2012, 10:59 AM   #9
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Audi past warranty is a nightmare. Hell even in warranty I've seen people complaining their s4 spends more time in the shop than with them.
I've never heard of anyone's Audi being in the shop more than being with them. Heck, when I owned my S4, it only spent 50% of the time (exactly, to the day) in the shop. Not so bad.....I got to drive my 20 year old Jeep and tell people that my other car was an S4. I could be a true baller.
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Old 10-26-2012, 10:28 AM   #10
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This is a Subaru forum, I think everyone here will side with the Sti..... Disregarding that statement go with the Sti. Sedans are prettier though
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Old 10-26-2012, 10:33 AM   #11
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Old 10-26-2012, 10:56 AM   #12
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This is a Subaru forum, I think everyone here will side with the Sti..... Disregarding that statement go with the Sti. Sedans are prettier though

Hatch ftmfw! Yeah I had an idea what the consensus would be but wanted to see what others have experienced.
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Old 10-26-2012, 11:03 AM   #13
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This is a Subaru forum, I think everyone here will side with the Sti.....
Heh, the forum definitely has a bias. In the interest of trying to even it out a bit, I do have a few Audi experiences to share. I haven't owned the cars, but I am rather familiar with them. I have a few friends who track Audis, and they do quite well. They're not perfect by any means, but no car is on the track. They do as well as most, and certainly as well as the Subarus overall.

One example is particularly impressive. This car is a 2008 A4 Avant, 2.0T quattro. It has around 80,000 miles on it, maybe more. Its owner owns one of the area tracks. He uses this car as his daily driver... and he does things like 180 spins leaving his home. He also runs this car on track. He also puts novices in the car and has them drive it around the track. He also uses the car to tow stalled, broken, or stuck cars off the track (including yanking them out of the mud - yes, yanking). He also does some minor offroading with it, just getting things around the track. It's nothing particularly rough, but it's driving out to corner worker stations, getting to cars that have gone significantly off track, checking on the fenceline, etc. Things one would normally expect a truck to do. It's had one failure that wasn't caused by driver error - the power steering pump started leaking and needed to be replaced. Audi replaced it under warranty. This is one of those "one off" failures - sometimes a power steering pump just lets go. This car has also had some pipes knocked lose when it goes off track. It had a turbo problem caused by this and currently has non-functional AC due to a different off. It's not really fair to blame these on the car, though, as they were driver-caused.

This same Audi, with its 80,000 miles of hard use, looks great. Both the exterior and interior show some wear, but not like one would expect. The car looks like it has about 20,000 miles on it, inside and out. There are a few mud spots on the roof from some sideways offroading in the wet, but these just haven't been cleaned off yet.

I realize many people have horror stories about Audis. But I know many reliable Audis, most of them pushed hard (most not as hard as the A4 described above, but hard). These cars are also maintained well and carefully.

Read the threads here. You'll find plenty of threads about the Subaru paint quality. You'll find threads about the interior quality. These are significantly improved in Audis. And as far as reliability goes, I'd look for larger surveys than just our stories on a forum (yes, I say that even though I provided my own).

We considered the A4 when we were shopping, but our budget constraints would have meant looking for a used one and hoping to find what we wanted. We could get a new WRX (we wanted WRX, not STI) with a lot less hassle. The work of finding the right used A4 wasn't worth the improvements in exterior and interior for us, so we have the Subaru in the driveway.
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Old 10-26-2012, 11:07 AM   #14
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Not really 2 cars I would be cross shopping. Isn't the S4 $15k+ more?

I would get the Audi if I had the $$$$.
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Old 10-26-2012, 11:32 AM   #15
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Not really 2 cars I would be cross shopping. Isn't the S4 $15k+ more?

I would get the Audi if I had the $$$$.
Yeah about 10000 more. I saw a b6? S4 in 2006 and wanted one ever since. I had a son so i went with the fxt but now he is older I can get whatever. Still want 4 doors, 6 speed and all wheel drive. Not many cars fit that bill.
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Old 10-26-2012, 11:35 AM   #16
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Yeah about 10000 more. I saw a b6? S4 in 2006 and wanted one ever since. I had a son so i went with the fxt but now he is older I can get whatever. Still want 4 doors, 6 speed and all wheel drive. Not many cars fit that bill.
Gotcha. S4 AVANT is my dream hauler.
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Old 10-26-2012, 11:55 AM   #17
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if like getting hosed at the dealership/mechanic everytime the car breaks.........get the nazi sled
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Old 10-27-2012, 09:27 PM   #18
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if like getting hosed at the dealership/mechanic everytime the car breaks.........get the nazi sled
Lol you said nazi sled. Every Audi I've ever heard of from friends has had serious issues, but so can any other car....lol
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Old 10-26-2012, 12:03 PM   #19
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Although this forum may be biased, many of the members here have owned both audi and subaru. And it seems like the tend to come back to subaru or switched from an audi to subaru. If you go on an audi forum I'd bet that less have owned both.
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Old 10-26-2012, 12:19 PM   #20
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Although this forum may be biased, many of the members here have owned both audi and subaru. And it seems like the tend to come back to subaru or switched from an audi to subaru. If you go on an audi forum I'd bet that less have owned both.
Yeah I would bet money on that for sure. When I was researching the S4 and its competition, many responses were, its still a "insert car that is not an Audi here." I was just blown away by the test drive. I know the only way to really know is to take the plunge, but I do not feel that lucky
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Old 10-26-2012, 12:42 PM   #21
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The Audi is built to impress...for a while. Then make money on failures and service until someone sets it on fire and pushes it off a cliff.

In my personal contrast of a 02 WRX and an 01 A4. Care being high level and equal. The Subaru is not going to typically have failures or malfunctions out of warranty due to daily use. Probably not even annually and if so parts are vastly cheaper.

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Old 10-26-2012, 04:03 PM   #22
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If you like all kinds of nerds waving at you from their 10 year old subarus, worrying about your paint and road noise get the jap sled.
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Old 10-26-2012, 05:34 PM   #23
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i say new 335xi best of both worlds imo
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Old 10-26-2012, 05:52 PM   #24
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There is over a $20,000 difference in MSRP+Taxes+Insurance Premiums during the first 5 years of ownership...
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Old 10-26-2012, 06:17 PM   #25
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There is over a $20,000 difference in MSRP+Taxes+Insurance Premiums during the first 5 years of ownership...
Agree with the higher MSRP and taxes but my insurance was half of what it is now when I had my S4..
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